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`TAIWAN SEMICONDUCTOR MANUFACTURING COMPANY, LTD.,
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`Petitioner,
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`GODO KAISHA IP BRIDGE 1,
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`Patent Owner.
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`IPR2017-01843a
`Patent 7,893,501 B2
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`Record of Oral Hearing
`Held: September 6, 2018
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`Before JUSTIN T. ARBES, JENNIFER MEYER CHAGNON, and
`MELISSA A. HAAPALA, Administrative Patent Judges.
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`a Case IPR2017-01844 has been consolidated with this proceeding.
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`DAVID CAVANAUGH, ESQUIRE
`Wilmer Cutler Pickering & Hale
`1875 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
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`ON BEHALF OF THE PATENT OWNER:
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`GERALD HRYCYSZYN, ESQUIRE
`Wolf Greenfield
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`The above-entitled matter came on for hearing on Thursday,
`September 6, 2018, commencing at 3:15 p.m., at the U.S. Patent and
`Trademark Office, 600 Dulany Street, Alexandria, Virginia, before Julie
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`JUDGE CHAGNON: Welcome back everybody. We're here today
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`for our second hearing of the day in IPR2017-01843 related to U.S. patent
`7,893,501. I'm not going to go over all the ground rules again, but I'll just
`have both counsel introduce yourselves for the record at the microphone and
`see if anybody has any questions before we get started.
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`MR. CAVANAUGH: David Cavanaugh for TSMC with Wilmer
`Hale.
`JUGE CHAGNON: Thank you.
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`MR. HRYCYSZYN: Good afternoon, Your Honors. Gerry
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`Hrycyszyn with Wolf Greenfield for Patent Owner IP Bridge.
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`JUDGE CHAGNON: Thank you so much, and as I said we're going
`to follow the same format of the previous hearing so whenever you're ready
`you can get started. How much time did you want to reserve today?
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`MR. CAVANAUGH: Fifteen minutes for rebuttal.
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`JUDGE CHAGNON: Fifteen minutes.
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`MR. CAVANAUGH: And just one preliminary question. Will this
`be a single consolidated transcript or two individual transcripts between the
`proceedings, or is that determined?
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`JUDGE CHAGNON: Because we did them as separate hearings,
`we'll do them as separate transcripts.
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`MR. CAVANAUGH: Okay. Good afternoon, Your Honors. I'll kind
`of dispense with some of the preliminaries with regard to the agenda for this
`presentation but I do want to present a little bit about the relevant
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`technology. I'll go through the relevant part of the 501 patent that is
`apparently disputed in this proceeding, an overview of the prior art that's
`used in this proceeding as well as some undisputed issues, and address
`finally the issues raised by the Patent Owner.
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`The technological background is the same and so I'm not going to
`spend any time with it other than noting that the various components of a
`MISFET transistor are described in Plummer and that's what we presented in
`the petition.
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`Going to slide 6. I think that the figure 1 of the 501 patent now is
`familiar territory. Important to this proceeding is the identification of where
`the gate is with respect to the silicon nitride film and that's the last element
`but it would be the silicon nitride film is in blue and the gate electrode is in
`orange.
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`Next slide. Again, and maybe we can go back to figure 1 for a
`moment. I do also want to identify that the sidewalls 7, we've identified in
`color the limitations of the claim but the sidewalls 7 aren't really a part of the
`limitations of claim 1 and we haven't highlighted those but they're on either
`side of the gate electrode.
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`Next slide. And so here's the claim 1 that's being challenged by this
`petition and we have the last limitation, actually I'll start with the third to last
`limitation that introduces a silicon nitride film and then the silicon nitride
`film is not formed on the upper surface of the gate electrode which is the
`second to last limitation, and then the last limitation which was added during
`prosecution the gate electrode protrudes upward from a surface level of parts
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`of the silicon nitride film located at both side surfaces of the gate electrode.
`So that's the limitation that we'll be discussing today.
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`The prior art in this petition is Misra and Misra I've identified in slide
`10 with figure 7 and I've identified how the various limitations, the
`disclosure of 501 corresponds to the figure 7 of Misra, and so there's an
`active region -- Patent Owner doesn't dispute in this case whether there's an
`active region in Misra -- a gate insulating film in red. There is a gate
`electrode 28b and source and drain regions which are in green and that's in
`26 and 28, and important for the last limitation of the claim the gate
`electrode 28bextends above the silicon nitride film 20.
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`I'd like to just describe what I understand to be undisputed issues and
`we'll hear from the Patent Owner if they disagree, as they disagree if I'm
`incorrect. But I think there is no dispute that the Misra gate 28b protrudes
`above the surface of the layer 20 of the film 20 and that's just like what's in
`figure 1 of the 501 patent which the Patent Owner has alleged in prosecution
`corresponds to the added limitation. So that I don't think is in dispute.
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`Next slide. Again, I had mentioned it briefly when I was introducing
`Misra, but there is no dispute that Misra discloses the limitation of the
`claimed active region in whatever iteration that the Patent Owner would
`present it.
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`Next slide. There's no dispute that the protruding gate was known in
`the art and in fact in the Patent Owner preliminary response indicated that
`Igarashi teaches explicitly the protruding gate limitation, and we do think
`that that's relevant to considering this is not a new feature that has never
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`been before in the art, the question is as Igarashi has disclosed it, is it present
`in the prior art that's been identified in this petition?
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`Finally, on slide 15, except for the protruding gate Patent Owner does
`not dispute the instituted grounds disclose the other limitations, so not just
`the active region but also the other limitations and the Patent Owner doesn't
`dispute that the references in the instituted ground would have been obvious
`to combine. The two references, we perceive that there may be a question of
`what kind of layer 20 was in Misra. We added a reference to make sure it
`was clear that it was a silicon nitride film, and it doesn't seem to be in
`dispute.
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`Misra discloses the protruding gate, and I've highlighted for
`obviousness the gate electrode protrudes upward limitation and I will start
`with, if you go to slide 18, and I identified the various configurations a
`moment ago and they're quite clearly shown.
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`Next slide. The petition identifies that the gate electrode protrudes
`above, now the gate electrode is a limitation of the claim, protrudes upward
`from a surface level of the silicon nitride film, the plasma enhanced nitride
`layer 20 which is a limitation of the claim located at both sides of the gate
`electrode. So the petition has shown that Misra discloses that protruding
`gate to the extent that it's a question.
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`Next slide. I'd like to address some issues raised by the Patent Owner
`attempting to distinguish Misra's disclosure from the claimed gate
`protruding. I've summarized disputed issues in an attempt to focus the
`Board's attention on the particular issues here. The first is that the silicon
`nitride film and its sidewall 23 are multiple layers of a single film and I'll
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`address that in a moment, and then the second argument is somewhat related
`but the gate does not protrude above the parts of the silicon nitride film
`which are closest to the gate, and that's more of a geography kind of issue.
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`So in looking at the response to the Patent Owner's first argument, I'd
`like to take the Board back to their Patent Owner's preliminary response just
`from a claim construction standpoint because there was a proposed
`construction that the film encompass all films on the device and require the
`gate to protrude above the closest silicon nitride structure.
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`And we believe that the Board -- next slide -- correctly identified that
`the silicon nitride film need not include every single silicon nitride structure
`in a prior art device, and that's slide 24 and I think that that's kind of where
`the Patent Owner was when they wrote their Patent Owner response.
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`JUDGE ARBES: Counsel, can you go back to slide 23 for a moment?
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`MR. CAVANAUGH: Sure.
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`JUDGE ARBES: I'd like to ask you about the portion of that located
`closest to the side surface of the gate electrode. Is that not the most
`appropriate place to look when we're looking to see if something teaches the
`protruding limitation? Shouldn't we look to at least the area of the film that
`is closest to the side surfaces of the gate electrode? Doesn't that make
`sense?
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`MR. CAVANAUGH: In the context of the claim I don't think it does,
`particularly with regard to if you look at claim 7 and how claim 7 would be
`construed, and we can go to that slide if Your Honor is interested to look at
`that. I think the first thing that I would note is the limitation of the claim is
`located at both side surfaces and it's not closest to the gate. I mean so the
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`limitation of the claim, now we're back at claim 1, but the located at both
`side surfaces and claim 7 recognizes that the silicon nitride film is formed
`over the side surfaces with a sidewall interposed and as I mentioned the
`sidewall is not a part of claim 1 but claim 1 has to be interpreted in a way
`that's consistent with claim 7.
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`If we go back to figure 1 which the Patent Owner has identified as
`corresponding to the newly added limitation and the claim itself, we see a
`spacer between the gate electrode and the layer so, Your Honor, I think that
`a proper reading of the silicon nitride layer is not the closest, it has to do
`with the limitation of the claim especially as interpreted with regard to claim
`7. Did I answer your question?
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`JUDGE ARBES: Yes, I think so. Didn't the applicants during
`prosecution when they were talking about the Xiang and Matsuda
`references, and those references had the L-shape of one or two films that are
`silicon nitride, weren't they talking about the area that is closest to the gate
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`MR. CAVANAUGH: I don't think so and I can walk through, if we
`start on slide 28, I think that we thought that it might be useful to
`characterize like why the sidewalls which are closest to the gate electrode
`should not be a part of the layer 20 and this is Misra, figure 5. But what I'd
`like to do is walk through the next illustration, next slide which is 29, so this
`is the illustration in the Xiang reference which was considered during
`prosecution and I know two things. One there is a space between the gate
`electrode and the silicon nitride film first of all, and second of all this is a
`singly applied layer that is described as depositing an etch stop layer and
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`regardless of whether it's going vertically and can have some relationship
`with the gate electrode, it's simply a single layer that is separated from the
`gate electrode by some material.
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`The prior art that was considered by the examiner is different than
`Misra and actually indicates if there is a single layer but what the Patent
`Owner is attempting to associate is the prior art with the two different
`materials, the layer 20 and the sidewall 23, because in their view if there are
`adjacent layers they can be considered as the same layer.
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`JUDGE ARBES: If they are of the same material.
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`MR. CAVANAUGH: They would say that they're the same material.
`What we would articulate is that if there are two different materials that are
`deposited at different times with different structures and for different
`purposes, that those are different than the silicon nitride layer and it can't be
`that they are just thought of as a single film according to the claim.
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`JUDGE ARBES: Did that kind of distinction ever come up during
`prosecution or was it always about the structure of the L-shape with both
`being silicon nitride?
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`MR. CAVANAUGH: My understanding is that that distinction did
`not come up during prosecution.
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`JUDGE ARBES: But it's your position that we should draw a
`distinction now between Misra and those references that were applied even
`though the ending structure is very similar, that we should draw a distinction
`based on what you've argued here?
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`MR. CAVANAUGH: Well, the structure is different and it is, you
`know, whether it's similar, there are two points that I'd like to make. One,
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`just simply saying that any silicon nitride associated with a deposit or
`associated with a device is somehow should all be brought together and
`considered in terms of the height of the gate electrode. We believe that
`that's an inaccurate reading of the claim and actually what the 501 is talking
`about and Misra is different than this single layer that's associated with the
`silicon nitride etch stop, and we know that because the sidewall 23 is kind of
`formed at a different time and that's represented on slide 33 and there's the
`etch stop layer 20 that is applied and then there is a channel that is formed
`24 and then on the next slide the source and drain regions are doped and then
`finally there's a sidewall that is applied for the introduction of the channel,
`and so formed at different times for very different purposes during the
`production and those differences matter and it's not just simply the final
`build happens to look similar to what the prior art showed. These are quite
`different structures.
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`JUDGE ARBES: But you would agree that -- I understand the points
`you're making regarding how it's constructed but the ending structure,
`assuming for the moment that spacers 23 are silicon nitride, the ending
`structure that you end up with is very similar to the Xiang and Matsuda
`references, right?
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`MR. CAVANAUGH: We don't believe that it's similar in the sense
`that if the similarity -- what I want to be clear is that if the sidewalls or
`whatever vertical protrusion that's in the prior art references are all the etch
`stop layer. What the sidewalls of Misra are doing is providing a mask for
`the channel formation and so we can't look at a component of a
`semiconductor device in abstract. I mean it has to be seen in the context of
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`what it is that the formation of that device, and Your Honors recognized in
`the decision on Institution that also the claim doesn't require that all silicon
`nitride of the device be considered, it requires that there be a silicon nitride
`film that is below the height of the gate electrode. That's what's required.
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`I would also like to identify, because I think this is an appropriate
`point, that the silicon nitride film, you know, the sidewall as I said is not a
`limitation of claim 1, it's a limitation of claim 7 and I think that that is
`instructive about what it is that satisfies the limitations for claim 1 in the
`sense of this. It is clear that Misra has a silicon nitride sidewall but it's also
`clear that it discloses a silicon oxide thermally grown sidewall and when
`there is thermally grown sidewall that is itself, and it can't be considered a
`silicon nitride film in the context of the Patent Owner's arguments.
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`JUDGE ARBES: Can I ask you about that? Did you ever argue in
`your petition that the spacers 23 in Misra are not silicon nitride? Did that
`argument ever appear in your petition?
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`MR. CAVANAUGH: To the extent that we identified that the
`sidewall -- we correctly anticipated the Patent Owner would say a silicon
`nitride which is not, like the sidewall is not a limitation of claim 1 and so we
`are under no obligation to say the sidewall can't be considered kind of a
`silicon nitride film because it's not made of silicon nitride. I would note the
`same with regard to layer 22 but I will say that we did identify why, even if
`one were to consider the silicon nitride embodiment, that it would still meet
`the limitations of the claim.
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`So the answer to your question is the sidewall is not a limitation of
`claim 1. We're under no obligation to disclose everything that is not a
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`limitation of the claim and so to that extent what we were trying to do is in
`some ways prebut what the Patent Owner had identified, but I will note that
`the Patent Owner has no argument to identify if one considers that sidewall
`as silicon oxide because it looks identical to the figure 1 of the 501 patent.
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`JUDGE ARBES: If spacers 23 are not silicon nitride because the
`sidewalls 7 in figure 1 are not silicon nitride, correct?
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`MR. CAVANAUGH: Correct, correct, and that also addresses the
`closest to limitation. So I've just -- both the prosecution and the process
`steps -- just to bring it in to bold relief, what the Patent Owner is asking you
`to do is to consider two different layers that are deposited at different times
`for different purposes and under different processes to be essentially the
`same thing according to the claim and that's simply inconsistent with a
`proper interpretation of the claim.
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`Going to slide 36. To answer your question, Your Honor, about
`whether we are looking at Misra in a way that's similar in a way to what was
`considered in the prosecution history of the application, 4B which they do
`not identify as corresponding to the claim -- 4B has a single film which is
`just like the prior art that they don't identify as part of the claim -- 4B single
`film is deposited in a single process and then 4B single film, just like
`Matsuda and Xiang, performs the same function associated with the etch
`stop layer and that's simply different than Misra where the layer and the
`spacer are different, they're different films, they're different materials and
`they're different structures. The layer 20 and spacer 23 are deposited in
`separate process steps and the layer 20 and the spacer 23 are performing
`different functions. It can be no clearer that the sidewall 23 is just simply
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`different than the etch stop layer 20 which is what the limitation of the claim
`is about.
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`Dr. Glew describes an image of a coat of paint and that's good as far
`as it goes. We don't disagree that layers that are formed on top of one
`another can form a single film or a single layer. What we do dispute is, as I
`mentioned a moment ago, different even if you're using the same paint if you
`have a different kind of structure that you're forming through a different
`process at a different time it's inappropriate to call those the same film.
`They're deposited adjacent, they may be made of the same material, they
`may be made of a different material, but they're simply a different film
`because they were deposited differently.
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`I'd also note that the patent itself, although as I say in slide 37, the
`Patent Owner identifies that the film can include multiple layers so 8a is
`what the relevant part is here and then the internal stress of each film can
`apply stress to the substrate of the whole. What is I think being fairly
`communicated here is that there are multiple layers that can be built one on
`top of another and they can apply so long as the internal stress and apply the
`stress to the substrate as a whole, and there's no disclosure for adjacent
`deposits of the same material at different times could in fact do that and, you
`know, we went through and maybe we can go to the next slide.
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`The single film with multiple layers as Dr. Shanfield has testified to,
`you know, as multiple layers build on top of each other can create that stress
`response which is desirable or appropriate, but two different adjacent layers
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`fields are simply an indication that they're two different layers, that they're
`two different materials, that they're two different constructs.
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`I think that I would like to -- Dr. Shanfield, Patent Owner would
`identify and probably will identify in this proceeding also the similarity
`between the petition and the Petitioner's declaration, and so I'd like to
`address that explicitly. We work very closely with our experts in forming
`the positions that are part of the petition. Dr. Shanfield has testified that he
`spent over 100 hours working on the issues related to these proceedings. All
`of those are once we understand it, once we understand what we can argue,
`how the references can be reviewed, then we put it into a declaration and a
`petition.
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`The association of the petition and the declaration far from being an
`expert that can't be relied upon, it's actually that the expert was a part of the
`process of forming the positions in the petition and from our standpoint we
`think it forms a strong petition and their arguments that are presented in the
`petition are fully supported by Dr. Shanfield as a declarant because he's
`worked with us through the entire process.
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`If I can go to the Patent Owner's second argument, and that's more the
`geography related to like the closest to the gate and I know I addressed,
`Judge Arbes, your question earlier and I just want to make sure we look at
`the claim language. Slide 40 we've already addressed and I won't belabor it
`unless you have questions. But I do want to apply that claim 7 explicitly in
`how they would have to read it with regard to figure 1 because that's what
`they say corresponds to the amendment in the application.
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`JUDGE ARBES: But again, going back to the previous slide, the
`sidewalls 7 are not silicon nitride in the specification, right? So there is no
`layer immediately adjacent to the gate electrode. We're talking about the
`blue layer to the left and right of that. That's the silicon nitride film, right?
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`MR. CAVANAUGH: That is the silicon nitride. If your sidewalls, or
`if you're suggesting that sidewalls are not layers there is a space for the
`sidewall there. I don't know if the Patent Owner would agree with you that 7
`is not a layer, but I do think that there is a space between the silicon nitride,
`which is disclosed and the gate electrode.
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`JUDGE ARBES: Yes. But, again, the sidewalls are a different
`material. Presumably if the sidewalls were silicon nitride there, then there
`would be the L-shape that is present in the prior art, right?
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`MR. CAVANAUGH: If the sidewalls 7 were formed in the same
`process, I mean there's a build to what you're suggesting in this hypothetical.
`If there is a sidewall that is formed as a part of a single process associated
`with the silicon nitride film, then that is kind of forming the same function,
`then I think it might be appropriate to call it the same film. But we don't
`have that here in Misra. What we have is a silicon nitride film that is an etch
`stop layer, I think that's not disputed, and we have a sidewall 23 which could
`be made of silicon nitride or could be made of silicon oxide. When it's made
`of silicon nitride it clearly is formed at a different time for a different
`purpose and it would require of Your Honors to associate these two different
`materials that are formed outside of their own contained process as a single
`film. That's even presuming that the sidewall could be considered a film.
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`JUDGE ARBES: I think at least the specification of the 501 patent
`does describe the sidewalls as a film, right?
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`MR. CAVANAUGH: The sidewalls as described, a film can be
`applied to the sidewalls and that's what's illustrated in figure 4B. But what
`we would say, as I mentioned in one of the previous slides, is that 4B even if
`there's a silicon nitride film on the sidewalls, those are formed at the same
`time with the same material for the same purpose. I think it's important to
`differentiate the sidewall 23 and why it's there and what it's doing from the
`silicon nitride film 20 and what it's doing, and they're doing different things.
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`And going to slide, I think 43, properly understood as two separate
`structures which they are. There's the portions of film 20 recited in the
`claim are closest to the gate because that is a different structure, it's formed
`at a different time and we can't associate those because of that.
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`Next slide. I think it's important to recognize that the claim itself
`requires that the gate electrode protrudes upwards from the silicon nitride
`film and it doesn't require that it protrude above every silicon nitride
`structure in the device. They could have claimed it that way but they didn't.
`They claimed it a different way.
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`And finally, I think the Patent Owner's arguments, you know, if I can
`group them the film layers theory fails because they're simply separate
`structures and they're not layers of a film. They're adjacently deposited at
`different times for a different function. The closest to the gate theory fails
`because that is not what's required by the claim as it reads and the film 20
`closest to the gate is indeed lower than the protruding gate 28b, and the
`Patent Owner's all silicon nitride structure theory fails because the claims
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`only require the gate to protrude above a silicon nitride film and not all
`silicon nitride films. So we think it's a fairly clear representation of the
`issues and how the disclosure of Misra renders obvious the claims.
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`I'll reserve the rest of my time for rebuttal unless you have any
`questions, Your Honor. Thank you.
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`MR. HRYCYSZYN: Good afternoon, Your Honors. This trial is
`about the grounds in the petition. Those grounds are fatally flawed for
`reasons I will explain. The Petitioner seeks to distract the Board from the
`flaws in the petition by alleging that prior art Igarashi discloses a protruding
`gate electrode, but Igarashi is not part of the grounds in this IPR.
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`The Petitioner also tries to distract by talking about some other
`embodiment in Misra that may or may not disclose, and we actually do not
`concede that it discloses, a silicon dioxide spacer is now trying to pull a new
`argument based on a part of Misra never before disclosed in an argument I
`believe Petitioner just admitted was never made in the petition.
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`So indeed the new theories relying on an embodiment of Misra that
`was never cited in the petition, so it's black letter law an obviousness ground
`must render obvious the claim as a whole labeling individual claim elements
`like the protruding gate electrode as known are not novel doesn't help
`Petitioner. It does not meet their burden of showing their case in the
`petition. So for each challenged claim the only thing that matters here is
`what did the petition show as it was filed, and it doesn't demonstrate
`obviousness of the claim as a whole here.
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`So let's turn to slide 2. So this is claim 1. So claim 1 is the only
`independent claim in the 501 patent. Claim 1 is directed to a semiconductor
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`device that's got a number of features. It's got a silicon nitride film and a
`gate electrode that protrudes upward from the surface level of the parts of
`the silicon nitride film located at both side surfaces, and we'll get into what
`each of these aspects of that claim language mean.
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`Can we go to slide 3. So what I've added here is the interpretation of
`film that Patent Owner proposes. It's straightforward, it's simple, it's a thin
`coating of one or more layers of silicon nitride here because we're talking
`about a silicon nitride film. This is the broadest reasonable interpretation of
`film, it's also the plain and ordinary meaning of film. This is supported by
`the plain language of the claim and I'll go through and substantiate all of
`this. It's supported by the intrinsic record of the 501 patent, dictionary
`definition, testimony of an expert Dr. Glew and admissions from Petitioner's
`expert.
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`Go to the next slide. So this next slide I add Petitioner's proposed
`interpretation or at least the interpretation they applied in the grounds here.
`So according to Petitioner, in order for multiple layers to compose a film
`they have to be made by the same process to create the same structure that
`has the same function. Now as I'll explain shortly Petitioner's interpretation
`of the term film is wrong. Next slide.
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`JUDGE ARBES: Counsel, if we can go back one slide.
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`MR. HRYCYSZYN: Sure.
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`JUDGE ARBES: What in your view makes multiple layers into a
`single film?
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`MR. HRYCYSZYN: Sure.
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`JUDGE ARBES: If it's not what Petitioner says, what does make
`them a single film?
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`MR. HRYCYSZYN: Sure.
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`JUDGE ARBES: Is it the fact that they're next to each other?
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`MR. HRYCYSZYN: That's certainly a part of it, Your Honor. So
`contiguous layers of the same material do form the same film, but what's
`more important is what the patent says forms a film. So let's skip right
`forward to slide 6. So this is Patent Owner's support for the interpretation of
`film and the question Your Honor asked specifically was about multiple
`layers forming a film. The specification says multiple layers can make up a
`film. It's stated in column 5, lines 60 to 63. Internal stress film 8A, there's
`no dispute here that that refers to the claimed silicon nitride film which is
`what's at issue in this dispute in this IPR. It says it may include multiple
`layers. It does say in this particular context of that stress film it's got to
`apply stress to the substrate as a whole, but as our expert Dr. Glew
`explained, that could be via stack layers, side-by-side layers, overlapping
`layers, they all apply stress as a whole.
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`The other support for this interpretation is the plain language of the
`claim itself. It calls it a film. A film is something that covers something, it
`coats it. That's the way it's used throughout the specification. We have on
`the right hand side of slide 6 a portion of the POR at page 29 that has
`numerous references to the 501 specification that talks about the film
`covering portions of structures. That is also consistent with the definition of
`film. So we have a dictionary def

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