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`EXHIBIT 9
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`EXHIBIT 9
`EXHIBIT 9
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`FITBIT
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`JOSEPH PARADISO
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`In the Matter Of:
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`PHILIPS NORTH AMERICA LLCvs
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`Case 1:19-cv-11586-FDS Document 319-9 Filed 02/23/22 Page 2 of 7
`Case 1:19-cv-11586-FDS Document 319-9 Filed 02/23/22 Page 2 of 7
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`February 02, 2022
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`·1· · · · ·J. PARADISO - CONFIDENTIAL
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`·2· ·these are the elements that I use to rebut
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`·3· ·Philips.
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`·4· · · ·Q.· · And in paragraph 3, you list
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`·5· ·three different non-infringing alternatives
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`·6· ·to the asserted claims, is that right?
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`·7· · · ·A.· · Yes, I do.
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`·8· · · ·Q.· · Did you answer the question,
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`·9· ·Dr. Paradiso?· I didn't hear you.· I'm
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`10· ·sorry.
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`11· · · ·A.· · Yes, I do.
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`12· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Apologies.
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`13· · · · · · ·And your report does not offer an
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`14· ·opinion as to any author non-infringing
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`15· ·alternatives besides the three listed here,
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`16· ·is that right?
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`17· · · ·A.· · That's correct.· These are the
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`18· ·ones.
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`19· · · ·Q.· · Okay.
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`20· · · · · · ·And paragraph 4 of your report
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`21· ·talks about your opinion as to whether
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`22· ·Philips licenses to SimCare and LifeScan
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`23· ·are technically comparable to the
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`24· ·hypothetical license regarding the '377
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`25· ·Patent between Philips and Fitbit, is that
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`282
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`·1· · · · ·J. PARADISO - CONFIDENTIAL
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`·2· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We are now
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`·3· · · ·going off the record.· The time is
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`·4· · · ·5:11.
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`·5· · · · · · ·(Recess taken from 5:11 p.m. to
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`·6· · · ·5:17 p.m. EST)
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`·7· · · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· We are now
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`·8· · · ·back on the record.· The time is 5:17.
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`·9· ·BY MR. CUSTER:
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`10· · · ·Q.· · I should probably share my screen
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`11· ·again, I suppose.
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`12· · · · · · ·All right.· Is my screen sharing?
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`13· · · ·A.· · Yes.
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`14· · · ·Q.· · Great.
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`15· · · · · · ·Let's turn to paragraph 337.
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`16· ·This is on page 142.
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`17· · · ·A.· · Let me find it in my copy.· 142.
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`18· · · ·Q.· · 142 is the page.· 337 is the
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`19· ·paragraph.
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`20· · · ·A.· · I see it.
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`21· · · ·Q.· · Great.
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`22· · · · · · ·And here you mention a
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`23· ·conversation with Mr. Gilles Boccon-Gibod?
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`24· · · ·A.· · Gilles, I believe so.
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`25· · · ·Q.· · Oh, Gilles.
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`·1· · · · ·J. PARADISO - CONFIDENTIAL
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`·2· · · ·A.· · Gilles Boccon-Gibod.· I used to
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`·3· ·speak a little more French than I do now.
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`·4· · · ·Q.· · No, I appreciate it.· I like
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`·5· ·being able to say it correctly.
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`·6· · · ·A.· · Gilles, yeah.
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`·7· · · ·Q.· · Okay.
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`·8· · · · · · ·So this conversation with
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`·9· ·Mr. Boccon-Gibod -- and I apologize that I
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`10· ·don't speak French -- but this conversation
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`11· ·with Mr. Boccon-Gibod, when did that take
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`12· ·place?
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`13· · · ·A.· · That took place around the same
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`14· ·time as my other conversation and -- yeah.
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`15· ·It was a few months ago more or less.· It
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`16· ·was before the report, preparation of the
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`17· ·report.
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`18· · · ·Q.· · Sure.
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`19· · · · · · ·And did you just have one
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`20· ·conversation with Mr. Boccon-Gibod?
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`21· · · ·A.· · Yes, I did.
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`22· · · ·Q.· · And how long was that
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`23· ·conversation approximately?
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`24· · · ·A.· · Oh, I don't know, maybe a half
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`25· ·hour, something like that.· I don't
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`·1· · · · ·J. PARADISO - CONFIDENTIAL
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`·2· ·remember exactly.
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`·3· · · ·Q.· · And did you discuss anything with
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`·4· ·him that is not disclosed in this report?
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`·5· · · ·A.· · No.· It's all here.
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`·6· · · ·Q.· · Okay, great.
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`·7· · · · · · ·Did you identify Mr. Boccon-Gibod
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`·8· ·as someone you wanted to have a
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`·9· ·conversation with?
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`10· · · ·A.· · Can you repeat your question?
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`11· · · ·Q.· · Sure.
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`12· · · · · · ·Did you identify Mr. Boccon-Gibod
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`13· ·as someone you wanted to have a
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`14· ·conversation with?
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`15· · · ·A.· · Yes.· He gave testimony that's
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`16· ·relevant to the case and I wanted to speak
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`17· ·to him myself.
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`18· · · ·Q.· · Okay.
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`19· · · · · · ·And then let's turn two pages
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`20· ·above paragraph 331 on page 140.
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`21· · · · · · ·Do you see that?
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`22· · · ·A.· · One second.· Yes, I see it.
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`23· · · ·Q.· · All right.
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`24· · · · · · ·And here you discuss a
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`25· ·conversation you had with a Robert Buddy
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`·1· · · · ·J. PARADISO - CONFIDENTIAL
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`·2· ·Herkenham, is that right?
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`·3· · · ·A.· · That's true.
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`·4· · · ·Q.· · Okay.
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`·5· · · · · · ·And when was the conversation
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`·6· ·with Mr. Herkenham?
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`·7· · · ·A.· · Same time period as the others,
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`·8· ·order of a few months ago.· Don't remember
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`·9· ·exactly.
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`10· · · ·Q.· · And again, was it just the one
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`11· ·conversation?
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`12· · · ·A.· · Yes, I only had one conversation
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`13· ·with him.
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`14· · · ·Q.· · Did you discuss anything with
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`15· ·Mr. Herkenham that's not disclosed in your
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`16· ·report?
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`17· · · ·A.· · It's all here.
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`18· · · ·Q.· · Okay, great.
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`19· · · · · · ·And did you identify
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`20· ·Mr. Herkenham as another person you wanted
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`21· ·to have a conversation with?
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`22· · · ·A.· · Yes.· He was a person of interest
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`23· ·for me.
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`24· · · ·Q.· · And I didn't ask it about
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`25· ·Mr. Smith, but was he also a person of
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