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`From:
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`Cc:
`Subject:
`Date:
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`Karim Oussayef
`Rodrigues, Ruben J.; Peterman, Chad
`BOST - F - Philips - Fitbit; Philips - Fitbit; Fitbit Philips DC Service
`RE: Philips v. Fitbit (D. Mass) - Contentions
`Thursday, March 11, 2021 12:26:53 PM
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`** EXTERNAL EMAIL MESSAGE **
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`Hi Ruben,
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`We are days away from the close of fact discovery. Could you please confirm what amendments you
`would like to make to Philips’s infringement contentions?
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`And do you have any specific proposals for what limits you would propose for narrowing
`contentions? Happy to discuss.
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`Thanks,
`Karim
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`Karim Z. Oussayef
`DESMARAIS LLP
`230 Park Avenue
`New York, NY 10169
`T: (212) 351-3427 | F: (212) 351-3401
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`From: RRodrigues@foley.com <RRodrigues@foley.com>
`Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 4:37 PM
`To: Peterman, Chad <chadpeterman@paulhastings.com>
`Cc: BOSTFPhilipsFitbit@foley.com; Philips - Fitbit <Philips-Fitbit@paulhastings.com>; Fitbit Philips DC
`Service <FitbitPhilipsDCService@desmaraisllp.com>
`Subject: [Ext] RE: Philips v. Fitbit (D. Mass) - Contentions
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`Hi Chad,
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` I
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` wanted to follow-up on the below, which I don’t think we ever received a response on. We’d like
`to move ahead with a motion to amend Philips’s infringement contentions, but, want to make sure
`we’re on the same page with respect to the scope of the motion (and to the extent possible, would
`like to narrow the scope of the dispute). Let me know if we can reach agreement on #1 below. As
`for #2, perhaps we can agree to some bounds for narrowing each sides’ contentions after claim
`construction, but prior to the service of expert reports.
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`Let me know if you’d like to discuss.
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`Regards,
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`-Ruben
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`From: Rodrigues, Ruben J.
`Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 4:31 PM
`To: Peterman, Chad <chadpeterman@paulhastings.com>
`Cc: BOST - F - Philips - Fitbit <BOSTFPhilipsFitbit@foley.com>; Philips - Fitbit <Philips-
`Fitbit@paulhastings.com>
`Subject: RE: Philips v. Fitbit (D. Mass) - Contentions
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`Hi Chad,
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`Thanks, for providing a counterproposal. Here our current thoughts, let us know if we might have an
`agreement on some or all of this:
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`1.) We won’t agree to not to include the Charge 4 product in the amendment, which was released
`just after Philips finalized its original contentions. The Charge 4 products infringes for the same
`reasons as all the other accused products and there is no prejudice to Fitbit in adding it to the
`contentions. That said, if we can reach agreement that Fitbit would not object on the basis of
`diligence with respect to Charge 4, we would not object to the proposed amendments concerning
`Gaukel.
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`2.) We are open to narrowing the asserted claims as part of an overall agreement to limit prior art.
`We think, however, that this limiting exercise should occur prior to the service of expert reports. If
`we agree to an overall extension of the schedule as proposed in my earlier e-mail, perhaps sit makes
`sense to include some deadlines for narrowing prior art and asserted claims prior to the service of
`expert reports? Is this something we should discuss?
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`Regards,
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`-Ruben
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`From: Peterman, Chad <chadpeterman@paulhastings.com>
`Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 1:15 PM
`To: Rodrigues, Ruben J. <RRodrigues@foley.com>
`Cc: BOST - F - Philips - Fitbit <BOSTFPhilipsFitbit@foley.com>; Philips - Fitbit <Philips-
`Fitbit@paulhastings.com>
`Subject: RE: Philips v. Fitbit (D. Mass) - Contentions
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`** EXTERNAL EMAIL MESSAGE **
`Ruben –
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`Case 1:19-cv-11586-FDS Document 168-5 Filed 03/31/21 Page 4 of 6
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`Thanks for your email. We offer the following in response:
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`1) We would agree that neither party shall object to any amendment on the basis of
`timeliness/diligence, except for Philips’ attempt to add the Charge 4 product. The Charge 4
`launched in April 2020 and Philips has not provided any justifiable reason for delay. If Philips
`agrees to the foregoing, we would also agree to withdraw the proposed amendment with
`respect to Gaukel.
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`2) We do not agree to your proposal for limiting the prior art. At a minimum, it is premature.
`Notably, there are pending motions and claim constructions that may impact the scope of
`the case and the parties’ positions. These motions must be resolved before we could
`consider potential narrowing. Further, we could not possibly consider narrowing prior art
`positions without Philips narrowing the number of asserted claims in each patent.
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`Please let us know your positions in response.
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`Regards,
`Chad
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`From: RRodrigues@foley.com <RRodrigues@foley.com>
`Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 10:47 AM
`To: Peterman, Chad <chadpeterman@paulhastings.com>
`Cc: BOSTFPhilipsFitbit@foley.com; Philips - Fitbit <Philips-Fitbit@paulhastings.com>
`Subject: [EXT] Philips v. Fitbit (D. Mass) - Contentions
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`Hi Chad,
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`In order to move the ball forward with respect to both Philips’s and Fitbit’s proposed amendments
`to the contentions, Philips proposes that both parties agree that neither party shall object to any
`amendment on the basis of timeliness/diligence. After all, the materials Fibtit seeks to add to the
`invalidity contentions at this stage are all publicly available materials that it could have been
`identified earlier.
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`If agreement can be reached on that front, and assuming Fitbit agrees to additionally withdraw the
`proposed amendment with respect to Gaukel, a reference Fitbit had when it served its original
`contentions, Philips would further agree not to oppose the proposed amendments with respect to
`the Icon Health and Fitness charts.
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`That would leave the issue of Fitbit’s proposed amendment with regards to the Teller, Maeda,
`Henderson, and “SmartClothing” references. Assuming agreement on the above, Philips would only
`oppose Fitbit’s proposed amendments with respect to these references on the grounds that Fitbit
`has already served an unreasonable number of invalidity contentions, and now would be a good
`time to simplify the case and not further complicate the case. Specifically, with respect to the
`patents still at issue in this matter, and including the proposed amendment, Fitbit will have identified
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`more than 109 total prior art references and will have served 53 claim charts. Fitbit can’t genuinely
`intend to pursue all these prior art references in this case, nor would it be reasonable to do so.
`Accordingly, we could agree to Fitbit’s proposed amendment if Fitbit would agree to limit its
`contentions at this stage to five (5) prior art references against each patent still at issue (for a total of
`fifteen). Let us know if this might be agreeable.
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`We understand that even if we are able to agree with respect to the above, this would mean that
`Fitbit would continue to oppose Philips’s amendment to its infringement contentions on the basis of
`Fitbit’s theory that the ‘377 Patent is expired. As we’ve explained, we believe Fitbit’s position to be
`without merit in view of the fact that no provisional application was converted to a non-provisional
`in under 37 C.F.R. 1.53, and the cited cases relied on by Fitbit are inapposite. We intend to file a
`motion to amend Philips’s contentions as previously shared with Fitbit and believe our meet and
`confer requirements have been met. Please advise if you disagree or if Fitbit has changed its
`position.
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`Regards,
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`-Ruben
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`Ruben J. Rodrigues
`Foley & Lardner LLP
`111 Huntington Ave, Suite 2600
`Boston, MA 02199
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`rrodrigues@foley.com
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