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`IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
`FOR THE DISTRICT OF DELAWARE
`______________________________________________________
`ARENDI S.A.R.L., )
`) Plaintiff, )
`) v. )C.A. No. 12-1595-LPS
`) LG ELECTRONICS, INC., LG )
`ELECTRONICS USA, INC. and LG ) ELECTRONICS MOBILECOMM )
`U.S.A., INC., ) )
`Defendants. ) ____________________________ )
`ARENDI S.A.R.L., ) )
`Plaintiff, ) )C.A. No. 12-1596-LPS
`v.
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`APPLE INC., ) )
`Defendant. ) ____________________________ )
`ARENDI S.A.R.L., ) )
`Plaintiff, ) )
`v.
`)C.A. No. 12-1597-LPS )
`BLACKBERRY LIMITED and ) BLACKBERRY CORPORATION, )
`) Defendants. )
`____________________________ ) ARENDI S.A.R.L., )
`) Plaintiff, )
`) v. )C.A. No. 12-1599-LPS
`) MICROSOFT MOBILE, INC., )
`) Defendant. )
`____________________________ ) )
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`ARENDI S.A.R.L.,
`Plaintiff, ) )
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`)C.A. No. 12-1601-LPS )
`MOTOROLO MOBILITY LCC f/k/a ) MOTOROLA MOBILITY, INC., )
`) Defendant. )
`____________________________ ) ARENDI S.A.R.L., )
`) Plaintiff, )
`) v. )C.A. No. 12-1602-LPS
`) SONY MOBILE COMMUNICATIONS )
`(USA) INC., f/k/a SONY ) ERICSSON MOBILE )
`COMMUNICATIONS (USA) INC., ) SONY CORPORATION and SONY )
`CORPORATION OF AMERICA, ) )
`Defendants. ) ____________________________ )
`ARENDI S.A.R.L., ) )
`Plaintiff, ) )
`v.
`)C.A. No. 13-919-LPS )
`GOOGLE LLC, ) )
`Defendant. ) ____________________________ )
`ARENDI S.A.R.L., ) )
`Plaintiff, ) )
`v.
`)C.A. No. 13-920-LPS )
`OATH HOLDINGS INC. and OATH ) INC.,
`) Defendants. )
`____________________________ ) )
`Job No. CS3601378
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`VIDEO RECORDED DEPOSITION UPON ORAL EXAMINATION OF
`ANIND DEY
`______________________________________________________
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`11:01 A.M.
`NOVEMBER 12, 2019
`701 FIFTH AVENUE, SUITE 6900
`SEATTLE, WASHINGTON
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`REPORTED BY: CARLA R. WALLAT, CRR, RPR, CCR 2578
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`A P P E A R A N C E S
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`FOR THE PLAINTIFF AND THE WITNESS:
`KEMPER DIEHL
`Susman Godfrey LLP
`1201 Third Avenue, Suite 3800
`Seattle, Washington 98101
`206.373.7382
`kdiehl@susmangodfrey.com
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`FOR DEFENDANT LG ELECTRONICS, INC., LG ELECTRONICS USA,
`INC. and LG ELECTRONICS MOBILECOMM U.S.A., INC.:
`(Present via telephone conference call)
`MATTHEW C. BERNSTEN
`Fish & Richardson PC
`One Marina Park Drive
`Boston, Massachusetts 02210-1878
`617.542.5070
`bernsten@fr.com
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`A P P E A R A N C E S (Continued)
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`FOR DEFENDANT APPLE INC.:
`JONATHAN H. HICKS
`DLA Piper
`2000 University Avenue
`East Palo Alto, California 94303
`650.833.2000
`jonathan.hicks@dlapiper.com
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`FOR DEFENDANTS BLACKBERRY LIMITED AND BLACKBERRY
`CORPORATION:
`(Present via telephone conference call)
`JASON W. COOK
`McGuireWoods LLP
`2000 McKinney Avenue, Suite 1400
`Dallas, Texas 75201
`214.932.6422
`jcook@mcguirewoods.com
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`A P P E A R A N C E S (Continued)
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`FOR DEFENDANT MICROSOFT MOBILE, INC.:
`(Present via telephone conference call)
`DeANNA ALLEN
`Cooley LLP
`1299 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Suite 700
`Washington, DC 20004-2400
`202.842.7896
`dallen@cooley.com
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`FOR DEFENDANTS SONY MOBILE COMMUNICATIONS (USA) INC.,
`f/k/a SONY ERICSSON MOBILE COMMUNICATIONS (USA) INC.,
`SONY CORPORATION and SONY CORPORATION OF AMERICA, and
`OATH HOLDINGS INC. and OATH INC.:
`(Present via telephone conference call)
`ALPER T. ERTAS
`Venable LLP
`101 California Street Suite, 3800
`San Francisco, California 94111
`415.653.3750
`atertas@Venable.com
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`A P P E A R A N C E S (Continued)
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`FOR DEFENDANT GOOGLE LLC and MOTOROLO MOBILITY LCC
`f/k/a MOTOROLA MOBILITY, INC.:
`ROBERT UNIKEL
`Paul Hastings LLP
`71 South Wacker Drive, 45th Floor
`Chicago, Illinois 60606
`312.499.6030
`robertunikel@paulhastings.com
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`ALSO PRESENT: EDDIE SAMS - Videographer
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`I N D E X
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`EXAMINATION BY:
`MR. UNIKEL
`MR. DIEHL
`MR. UNIKEL
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`EXHIBITS FOR IDENTIFICATION
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`Exhibit 1 Subpoena
`Exhibit 2 University of Washington iSchool 17
`Directory, Anind K. Dey
`Exhibit 3 Future Computing Environments home 21
`page
`Exhibit 4 Future Computing Environments,
`Projects
`Exhibit 5 Document bearing Bates numbers
`ARENDI-DEFS00021090 through
`ARENDI-DEFS00021091
`Exhibit 6 Document bearing Bates numbers
`ARENDI-DEFS00022070 through
`ARENDI-DEFS00022077
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`Exhibit 8 Future Computing Environments 52
`blow-up of Web pages, 3 pages
`Exhibit 9 Document bearing Bates numbers 67
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`Exhibit 10 Document bearing Bates numbers 73
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`Exhibit 11 Document bearing Bates numbers 74
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`Exhibit 13 Document entitled: "CyberDesk: A 97
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`SEATTLE, WASHINGTON; NOVEMBER 12, 2019
`11:01 a.m.
`--oOo--
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`THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Good morning. We're
`going on the record at 11:01 on Tuesday, November 12th,
`2019. Please note that the microphones are sensitive
`and may pick up whispering, private conversations, and
`cellular interference. Please turn off all cell phones
`or place them away from the microphones as they can
`interfere with the deposition audio.
`Audio and video recording will continue to
`take place unless all parties agree to go off the
`forward.
`This is media unit one of the video-recorded
`deposition of Anind Dey taken in the matter of Arendi
`S.A.R.L. versus Google, et al., filed in the United
`States District Court for the District of Delaware,
`Case Number 12-1601-LPS. This deposition is being held
`at DLA Piper, 701 Fi h Avenue, Suite 6900, Seattle,
`Washington.
`My name is Eddie Sams from the firm Veritext,
`and I'm the videographer. The court reporter is Carla
`Wallat from the firm Veritext.
`I am not authorized to administer an oath, I
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`ANIND DEY,
`sworn as a witness by the Certified Court Reporter,
`testified as follows:
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`am not related to any party in this action, nor am I
`financially interested in the outcome.
`If there are any objections to proceeding,
`please state them at the time of your appearance.
`Counsel's appearances will be noted on the
`written record.
`Will the court reporter please swear in the
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`16 Q. Good morning, sir.
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`A. Good morning.
`18 Q. Can you please state your name for the record?
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`A. Anind Dey.
`20 Q. And sir, thank you very much for appearing
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`here today. Just, have you ever been deposed before?
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`I have not.
`23 Q. So this will be a new life experience for you?
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`A. That's right.
`25 Q. Just to give you a quick rundown as to how
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`this works today, I'll be asking you questions and
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`you'll be answering questions under an oath to tell the
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`truth. Do you understand that?
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`A. Yes.
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`5 Q. And we have a court reporter here today that
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`counsel state. You understand that?
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`A. Yes.
`9 Q. And we have a videographer here so that this
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`A. Yes.
`14 Q. Do you understand that?
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`I do, thank you.
`16 Q. Also, I want to be clear, you are not involved
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`A. I do.
`19 Q. We are simply here trying to explore some work
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`appreciate your appearance here today.
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`A. Sure.
`25 Q.
`If you don't understand a question that I ask
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`or you need me to speak up or rephrase it, please let
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`me know and I'll be happy to do that. Would you -- do
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`I do, thanks.
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`5 Q. Great. And from time to time today, I'm going
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`A. Sure.
`10 Q. Let me start, if I might, by showing you what
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`14 Q. (BY MR. UNIKEL) And Dey Exhibit Number 1 is a
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`subpoena to testify in a deposition, and this is issued
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`by Google LLC. Do you see that?
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`A. I do.
`18 Q. And am I correct, sir, you received a copy of
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`A. I do -- I did, yeah.
`21 Q. And in fact, this is the reason you're
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`A. Several.
`25 Q. -- from Google, Motorola, and a number of
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`other defendants in the case? You under --
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`A. That's correct.
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`3 Q. Okay. And, sir, you are not being paid in any
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`A. Not at all.
`6 Q. -- correct?
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`A. No, I do not.
`10 Q. Okay. Sir, as part the subpoena, you will
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`A. I did look.
`15 Q. And did you find anything?
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`A. I could only find what was available on the
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`18 Q. Okay. And when you say "the public website,"
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`what is the public website that you're referring to?
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`A. There's a website called the "Future Computing
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`Environment CyberDesk" page hosted at Georgia Tech in
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`the College of Computing, where I did my Ph.D. That
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`through 1999. And that has the documentation of all
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`the papers that I published and some source code, as
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`well as some additional descriptions of -- additional
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`system that didn't show up in a publication.
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`4 Q. Okay. That's very helpful, and let me -- I'm
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`going to get to that in greater detail.
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`A. Sure.
`7 Q. Let me do one first if I might, which is I'm
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`MR. UNIKEL: Here you go, sir.
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`THE WITNESS: Thank you.
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`MR. UNIKEL: This one, I didn't have an
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`16 Q. (BY MR. UNIKEL) And am I correct, sir, that
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`Exhibit Number 2 is a printout from your University of
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`Washington Information School Web page?
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`It looks like it. I have to say I've never
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`seen it before so -- but it really looks like my
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`school, yes.
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`I guess just -- just to lay the groundwork of
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`A. Sure, sure.
`25 Q. -- am I correct, you currently live here in
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`A. I do.
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`3 Q. And what is your current job?
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`A. I'm the dean of the Information School and a
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`7 Q. And when you say "the Information School,"
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`It covers basically the interaction between
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`16 Q. And how long have you been as -- on faculty at
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`the Information School at the University of Washington?
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`A. Since January 1st, 2018, so almost two years.
`19 Q. And this web bio, did you have some role in
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`putting together your -- your web bio for the
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`Information School?
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`25 Q. So just so I'm aware, under -- there's a
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`A. Yes.
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`3 Q. See that?
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`And am I correct that you received your
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`bachelor's of science in computer engineering from
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`Simon Fraser University in 1993?
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`A. Correct.
`8 Q. And then you received a master's of science in
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`aerospace engineering from Georgia Tech in 1995; is
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`A. That's correct.
`12 Q. And then you -- you received both a master's
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`science from Georgia Tech in 2000; is that right?
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`A. That's correct.
`16 Q. And at a high level, since you graduated from
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`your work history was between those periods of time?
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`A. Yes. So right a er graduate school, I
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`started as a senior researcher at Intel Research in
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`became an adjunct faculty member at the University of
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`science department.
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`In roughly 2004, started -- I started -- well,
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`we moved from Berkeley to Pittsburgh in the summer of
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`2004, but I didn't start at Carnegie Mellon until 2005.
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`I was on the faculty in the Human Computer
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`Institute from January 2005 until I le , which was
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`December 2017, end of December 2017. I was an
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`assistant professor, an associate professor with
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`tenure, a full professor, and the last four -- four-ish
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`years, I served as department head.
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`11 Q. And that was all at Carnegie Mellon?
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`A. That was all at Carnegie Mellon.
`13 Q. And then a er you departed Carnegie Mellon,
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`did you come right to the University of Washington?
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`A. That's right.
`16 Q. And then since that time, when you joined the
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`University of Washington Information School, that's
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`where you've been ever since?
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`A. That's right.
`20 Q. Great. Thank you.
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`Sir, you had mentioned a website that, I think
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`you said, was for FCE, and what -- what is FCE?
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`A. Future Computing Environments. It was the
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`name of my researcher -- my -- my Ph.D. advisor was
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`Gregory Abowd's research group at the time.
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`1 Q. Let me show you a document that I'm marking as
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`Exhibit Number 3.
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`MR. DIEHL: Here's your document.
`6 Q. (BY MR. UNIKEL) Sir, is Exhibit Number --
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`what is Exhibit Number 3?
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`A. Exhibit Number 3 is the main homepage for the
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`Future Computing Environments website that we just
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`discussed.
`11 Q. And this -- the Future Computing Environments,
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`is that a group that is part of Georgia Tech?
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`A. It was.
`14 Q.
`It was. When was FCE, or Future Computing
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`Environments, a group that was part of Georgia Tech to
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`your recollection?
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`I think it started the year before I joined,
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`which would be 1996 or so. Could be 1995. And it was
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`a group at least through my Ph.D. graduation, but I
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`don't know when it ended a er that. So at least up
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`till 2000, possibly a er that. You can see this
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`website says it wasn't updated till -- since January of
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`'97, which I don't think is actually accurate.
`24 Q. Okay. So this -- the website in the Future
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`Computing Environments website, that was up and
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`available during the time that you were at Georgia
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`Tech?
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`A. Absolutely.
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`4 Q. And does that include -- you said you started
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`at Georgia Tech at around what year?
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`In computer science, I started in 1995, in the
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`fall.
`8 Q. Okay. And when you arrived, was the Future
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`Computing Environments website up and running, so to
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`I believe so.
`12 Q. Was there restricted access to the website, or
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`could anybody access it?
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`A. Anybody could access it.
`15 Q. And what sorts of things were put on the
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`Future Computing Environments website?
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`A. It was a typical research homepage for fact in
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`academia. So it was a list of people who were
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`associated with the Future Computing Environments
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`group, the projects that were undertaken by the people
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`involved in the group, access to equipment, and as well
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`as a list of projects that undergrads could get engaged
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`in to be part of the research group.
`24 Q. And did you -- let me show you, on this page
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`A. Yeah.
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`2 Q. -- which is the homepage, so to speak, of the
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`Future Computing Environments website, you see there's
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`a -- a tag called "projects"?
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`A. Yes.
`6 Q. And am I correct that that was a link which
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`would take you to a subsequent Web page?
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`A. That's right. All of these were links, yeah.
`9 Q. Let me show you a document that I'm marking as
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`Dey Exhibit 4.
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`13 Q. (BY MR. UNIKEL) Sir, am I correct that
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`Exhibit 4 appears to be the Projects page from the
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`Future Computing Environments website?
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`A. That's correct.
`17 Q. And there -- on this page, there is a list of
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`projects, and again, I assume that these are all links
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`which would take you to individual project pages?
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`A. That's correct.
`21 Q. And do you see on Page 2 of this "projects"
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`tab, there's a section for "past projects"?
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`A. Yes.
`24 Q. And one of those past projects is CyberDesk,
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`A. Correct.
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`2 Q. Now, CyberDesk, what was -- are you familiar
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`with CyberDesk?
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`A. Yeah, I was one of the inventors of it.
`5 Q. So can you give me, at least at a high level,
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`a description of what CyberDesk was?
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`A. CyberDesk was a -- both an infrastructure and
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`a platform that allowed you to select information in
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`some application, have that information be -- have the
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`selected information be processed in a number of
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`different ways, and to cause a number of services to be
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`made available to -- in the user interface to somebody
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`who's trying to get more information about the
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`information they had selected.
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`The information could either be completely
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`highlighted with a mouse or if it -- a whole e-mail
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`could be considered as a selection. The whole -- all
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`the information -- content in a browser could be
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`considered the selected information.
`20 Q. And what was your role in creating CyberDesk?
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`A. So at the very beginning, I worked with a
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`visiting Ph.D. student from University of Birmingham,
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`Andy Wood, Andrew Wood. He had built an infrastructure
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`called "Cameo" something, I don't remember exactly the
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`name of it, Cameo. And it was a system that allowed
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`you to plug different so ware components together.
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`Together, we had this idea that we could build
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`a system that could do what CyberDesk did, and so
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`building off of his Cameo work, we put the first --
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`first version of CyberDesk together that allowed these
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`different components to work together, one where you
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`were able to select information from one application
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`and have it be represented in some way in another
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`application.
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`10 Q. And when did you start working on CyberDesk to
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`the best of your recollection?
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`A. Yes. So that would have been fall of 1996.
`13 Q. And when did you then create the first working
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`version of CyberDesk?
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`A. Pardon me?
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`MR. DIEHL: I'm sorry, you can ahead.
`18 Q. (BY MR. UNIKEL) Oh, sorry. This is one of
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`those things that happens at a deposition. Every once
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`in a while the lawyers might have an objection --
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`A. Oh, okay.
`22 Q. -- to a question that they'll have to preserve
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`for later for a court.
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`A. Okay.
`25 Q.
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`A. That's okay.
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`It just lawyer stuff that -- that shouldn't
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`A. That's fine. Can you repeat the question
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`again?
`6 Q. Yes. So I was saying: So you began the work
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`in the fall of 1996 --
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`A. Yes.
`9 Q. -- on CyberDesk, and when did you have your
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`first prototype version of CyberDesk?
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`A. We submitted the paper in September of '90 --
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`sorry. We submitted the paper -- the paper was
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`published in -- at CHI 1997. The conference is in
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`April, I'm just trying to make sure I get my calendar
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`years right. So it means we submitted the work in the
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`fall of '96. Sorry, which means we did the work in
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`the -- in the summer of '96.
`18 Q. Okay. And when you say you "submitted the
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`paper," what do you mean?
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`A. We wrote up a paper that is -- if you went to
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`the -- the link on CyberDesk, it would come to a list
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`of publications, there's one paper that's listed, it's
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`a short paper, like three or four pages long --
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`actually, it might -- in those days, it might only be
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`two pages -- that was a description of the first
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`instantiation of it, but the first -- but the work
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`was -- the first working version of it was in summer of
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`'96.
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`4 Q. Okay.
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`A. Because we had to have gotten it done before
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`we could submit the paper, update.
`7 Q. Understood.
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`So let me -- let me go through some of the
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`parts of that that you just described.
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`A. Sure.
`11 Q. Let me show you a document that I'm marking as
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`Exhibit Number 5.
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`identification.)
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`MR. UNIKEL: Here you go, sir.
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`A. Thank you.
`17 Q. (BY MR. UNIKEL) Sir, am I correct that
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`Exhibit Number 5 is the -- is the Web page for the
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`CyberDesk project that we just saw the linking to on
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`the Future Computer Environments Web page?
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`A. That's correct.
`22 Q. When was the last time you looked at this
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`particular Web page for the CyberDesk project?
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`I looked at it this morning just to refresh
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`1 Q. And did you have some role in creating this
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`index and this Web page?
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`A. I created the whole thing.
`4 Q. And when would you have -- sir, when did you
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`first post any information relating to CyberDesk?
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`A. It would have been in the spring of 1997 when
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`we got the paper published -- when we found out the
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`paper was getting published, and then it was updated
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`for a couple of years while the project was still
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`active.
`11 Q. And would you update it periodically or when
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`something happened that sort of made it worthwhile to
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`update it?
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`A. When something happened, when we had a
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`publication that was accepted or when we had a new
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`version of the so ware that we wanted to release.
`17 Q. Okay. And so on this, I notice at the top
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`le , we see the title of the page is "CyberDesk" and
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`it says "Version 2.0," correct?
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`A. Yes.
`21 Q. What -- what is Version 2.0?
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`A. I -- when I saw that this morning, I was
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`trying to remember, and honestly, I don't. My best
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`guess, if you want a guess, is that in those days, in
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`about versioning their Web pages, and so I suspect this
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`was a second version of the Web page, but I have no --
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`I don't really have a strong recollection of that.
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`4 Q. When did you -- did you continue to update
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`this page regularly until you le Georgia Tech?
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`A. No. When I moved to my thesis project, I
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`stopped working on this project completely. And so
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`this was fallow for a couple of years before I le
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`Georgia Tech.
`10 Q. So -- but all of the material that's on this
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`particular Web page, would you personally have put it
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`onto the Web page?
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`A. Yes.
`14 Q. And would that include, for example, the
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`linking to any articles or publications that are
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`included here?
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`A. That's correct.
`18 Q. I see at the top, under Version 2.0, there is
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`your name, correct?
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`A. Uh-huh, correct.
`21 Q. As well as Gregory Abowd?
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`A. Correct.
`23 Q. Who was Gregory Abowd?
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`A. My Ph.D. advisor.
`25 Q. And he was on the faculty of Georgia Tech?
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`A. That's right.
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`2 Q. And then Chris Atkeson is also listed,
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`correct?
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`A. Correct.
`5 Q. Who is Chris Atkeson?
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`A. Chris Atkeson was another faculty member at
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`Georgia Tech and he was the co-founder of the Future
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`Computing Environments group, but he didn't have
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`anything to do with this particular project.
`10 Q. Okay. Now, I'm going to skip over one section
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`for a moment, which I'm going to come back to, but
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`there's a section at the bottom of the first page of
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`this CyberDesk Web page that says "CyberDesk and
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`Related Papers." Do you see that?
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`I do.
`16 Q. Again, and then listed under that are a number
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`of papers, including links to various papers?
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`A. Yes.
`19 Q. Did you personally load all of these into
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`the -- into the Web page?
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`I did.
`22 Q. And you said the first paper that you would
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`page was, I think, a -- a -- is it CHI or CHI?
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