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` APPLE, INCORPORATED,
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` Petitioner,
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` PERSONALIZED MEDIA
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` COMMUNICATIONS, LLC,
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` Patent Owner.
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` Case IPR2016-00754
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` Patent 8,559,635 B1
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` Case IPR2016-01520
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` Patent 8,559,635 B1
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` CONFERENCE CALL
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` April 26, 2017; 1:00 pm
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` BEFORE: TRENTON A. WARD
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` KARL D. EASTHOM
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`Reported By:
`Robin LaFemina
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` A P P E A R A N C E S:
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` For Petitioner
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` KIRKLAND & ELLIS LLP
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` 300 North LaSalle
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` Chicago, Illinois 60654
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` BY: JOEL MERKIN, ESQ.
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` joel.merkin@kirkland.com
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` KIRKLAND & ELLIS LLP
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` 601 Lexington Avenue
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` New York, New York 10022
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` BY: ALAN RABINOWITZ, ESQ.
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` alan.rabinowitz@kirkland.com
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` For Patent Owner
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` PERSONALIZED MEDIA COMMUNICATIONS, LLC
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` BY: THOMAS J. SCOTT, JR., General Counsel
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` tscott@pmcip.com
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` GOODWIN & PROCTER LLP
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` 901 New York Avenue, N.W.
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` Washington, DC 20001
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` BY: KRUPA PARIKH, ESQ.
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` kparikh@goodwinlaw.com
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` JUDGE WARD: Good afternoon.
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` This is Judge Ward with the Patent
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` Trial and Appeal Board, joined by my
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` colleague Judge Easthom. This is a
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` conference call for Inter Partes Review
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` Matter Number IPR2016-754, case in
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` which Apple is the Petitioner and PMC
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` is the Patent Owner.
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` Who do we have on the line for
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` Petitioner?
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` MR. MERKIN: Good afternoon,
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` Your Honor, this is Joel Merkin for
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` Petitioner Apple, and with me is Alan
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` Rabinowitz.
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` JUDGE WARD: Thank you, Mr.
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` Merkin and Mr. Rabinowitz.
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` Anyone else going to be joining
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` from Petitioner?
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` MR. MERKIN: No one else.
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` JUDGE WARD: Thank you. Great.
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` And who do we have on the call
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` for Patent Owner?
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` MR. SCOTT: We have Thomas J.
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` Scott, Jr., general counsel of
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` Personalized Media Communications, and
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` I have with me Krupa Parikh of the law
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` JUDGE WARD: Okay. Mr. Scott,
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` is it?
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` MR. SCOTT: Yes, that's correct.
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` JUDGE WARD: Thank you,
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` Mr. Scott. And Ms. Parikh, thank you
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` for joining us.
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` Is anyone else going to be
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` MR. SCOTT: No.
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` JUDGE WARD: Okay. I understand
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` a court reporter is on the line. Who
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` is it that retained the court reporter?
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` MR. MERKIN: Petitioner Apple
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` has.
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` JUDGE WARD: Okay. Thank you,
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` Mr. -- is that Mr. Merkin?
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` MR. MERKIN: Yes, it is.
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` JUDGE WARD: Mr. Merkin, if you
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` could please make sure to file a copy
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` of that transcript in our record as
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` soon as it becomes available to you
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` after the call.
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` MR. MERKIN: Will do, Your
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` JUDGE WARD: Thank you. And
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` also, counsel, please remember when
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` you're speaking today if you could just
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` announce your name when you begin to
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` speak, that way it will make it easier
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` for the court reporter to keep track.
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` We scheduled this conference
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` call today at Mr. Merkin's request, his
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` request to have a discussion for
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` authorization regarding a motion to
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` strike Exhibit 2140 in this case or in
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` the alternative for the ability to file
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` a sur-reply to Patent Owner's Motion to
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` Amend. Mr. Merkin, I'm going to give
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` you a chance to address those issues
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` and then allow Patent Owner to respond,
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` so Mr. Merkin, you have the floor.
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` MR. MERKIN: Thank you, Your
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` Honor. Yes, it's -- Exhibit 2140 is a
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` new exhibit that Patent Owner filed
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` with its reply to its Motion to Amend.
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` It's a 143 page declaration submitted
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` by an employee at PMC, and again filed
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` for the first time with the reply.
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` That declaration purports to identify
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` 112 specification support, of course of
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` which Patent Owner has the burden of
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` proof to show in their original motion,
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` and it attempts to show that 112
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` support via a 100 -- I think it's
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` 139-page table that's part of this 143
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` page declaration. There was also a
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` declaration by the same individual that
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` was filed with the Motion to Amend in
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` the original paper, but for this
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` particular declaration, this exhibit
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` that we're referring to, 2140, this is
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` an additional one that's cited just in
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` the reply. In the reply itself, at the
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` very top of page 5 and this is paper 27,
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` Patent Owner states that additional
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` embodiments also provide support, then
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` it cites to Exhibit 2140 at paragraph 9,
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` which is the 139 page declaration. So
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` really Petitioner has two issues. One,
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` this is improper reply evidence, should
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` not have been -- to the extent Patent
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` Owner wanted to rely on this
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` specification support, they were
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` original motion, and also it's, you
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` know, improperly cited, it's incorporated
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` by reference, they're just citing to,
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` you know, 139 pages with a single cite
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` to a paragraph from this exhibit. And
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` so Petitioner would appreciate the
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` opportunity to file a motion to strike,
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` kind of set this out in a paper and
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` specifically identify all the places in
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` this new exhibit that are -- haven't
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` embodiments that Patent Owner is
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` relying on, and, like I said in my
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` e-mail, to the extent the Board
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` wouldn't want to see a motion to
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` strike, we would also be open in the
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` alternative to filing a sur-reply to
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` address the arguments.
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` JUDGE WARD: Mr. Merkin, can I
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` ask, I noticed in the record that you
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` filed objections on April 19, 2017 to
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` Exhibit 2140 along with some other
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` exhibits, but you did object to Exhibit
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` 2140 there. Did you receive a response
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` from the Patent Owner to those
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` MR. MERKIN: We have not
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` received a response with respect to
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` those objections.
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` JUDGE WARD: Can you indicate as
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` to why a Motion to Exclude as provided
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` for in our rules would not be sufficient?
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` MR. MERKIN: So we could file a
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` Motion to Exclude. It was something I
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` would be the Board's preference, we
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` this issue in a Motion to Exclude. In
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` motion to strike in this issue, I've
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` addressing this issue in a Motion to
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` Exclude if that's where the Board thinks
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` it's more appropriately addressed.
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` JUDGE WARD: And what exactly,
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` just moving to your alternative
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` proposal, the sur-reply, what are the
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` I mean, I understand that we have what
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` MR. MERKIN: So it would be in
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` the new declaration, there is countless
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` number of, you know, new citations and
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` new evidence from additional embodiments
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` Mr. Merkin. Mr. Scott, I want to give
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` you a chance to respond to this request
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` by Mr. Merkin and specifically I would
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` like to know and have you address to
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` what extent there are differences
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` between Dr. Dorney's declaration,
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` Exhibit 2140, that you filed along with
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` your Motion to Amend in comparison to
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` the Dorney declaration 2140 which you
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` filed along with the reply.
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` MR. SCOTT: All right. The
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` issue here is that in both declarations,
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` and that's one thing that should be
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` clear, the new declaration incorporates
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` everything that was in the original
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` declaration and adds some additional
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` text from the specification that the
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` Patent Owner believes responds to
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` certain criticisms that the Petitioner
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` provided. Now, the point here is that
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` in the specification which as you're
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` aware is fairly lengthy, the various
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` embodiments are divided in terms of
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` examples, and in terms of the claims
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` called out specific portions of that
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` example which provided that support,
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` and with respect to claim 36, we relied
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` this is, it is the same embodiment, the
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` Now, I would like to point out that one
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` of the points here and this is really a
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` proof that only one limitation that's
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` an additional limitation in claim 36 is
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` questioned by the Patent Owner. As to
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` Patent Owner -- rather, that the
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` Petitioner is relying on, those are
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` limitations which were in the original
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` claims of the case which are, of
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` course, the question of support is not
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` I don't think that at this point a
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` examples that are self-contained, so
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` JUDGE WARD: Let me ask you,
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` with respect to Exhibit 2140, it
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` noted a fairly lengthy declaration, and
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` 2140 in comparison to the earlier
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` exhibit by Dr. Dorney, Exhibit 2130?
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` MR. SCOTT: I mean, I think the
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` JUDGE WARD: But there have
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` declaration of Dorney at 2140 as
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` MR. SCOTT: There is no question
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` about that. It's additional text in
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` the two identified examples and
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` JUDGE WARD: Mr. Scott, let me
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` file the sur-reply to address that
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` subject matter or those additions that
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` have been made in Exhibit 2140?
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` MR. SCOTT: A sur-reply to which
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` we would have no further reply?
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` JUDGE WARD: Yes.
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` MR. SCOTT: And so any points
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` MR. SCOTT: Not at -- no.
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` JUDGE WARD: Thank you.
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` JUDGE WARD: Okay, thank you,
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` MR. SCOTT: It merely says in
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` JUDGE WARD: Thank you, Mr. Scott.
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` Well, we appreciate the discussion from
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` So that concludes our discussion
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` I have an additional matter that
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` and, Mr. Scott, an initial question for
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` MR. SCOTT: Absolutely.
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` JUDGE WARD: Okay.
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` And, Mr. Merkin, are you
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` MR. MERKIN: I am, Your Honor.
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` JUDGE WARD: Okay. Mr. Scott,
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` JUDGE WARD: Thank you, Mr. Scott.
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` Yes. Nothing else to say there. As I
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` Any comments from the Petitioner,
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` Mr. Merkin?
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` MR. MERKIN: No comments from
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` JUDGE WARD: Okay. Thank you to
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` (Whereupon, Judge Ward and Judge
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` JUDGE WARD: Counsel, Judge Ward
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` MR. MERKIN: Thank you.
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` MR. SCOTT: Thank you.
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` I, ROBIN LaFEMINA, a Registered
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` within and for the State of New York,
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`A
`ability 5:13 20:6
`absolutely 8:13
`18:8
`accurate 21:8
`add 11:13
`added 14:2 15:24
`16:4,7
`additional 6:14,17
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`addressed 8:18,22
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`addressing 8:20
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`alternative 5:13
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`amenable 18:6,11
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`announce 5:5
`Appeal 1:3 3:3
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`appears 13:15
`Apple 1:5 3:7,13
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`appreciate 7:7
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`appropriate 13:5
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`arbitration 21:11
`arguments 7:19
`asking 13:17
`attempts 6:5
`authorization 5:11
`avail 13:1
`available 4:23
`Avenue 2:11,22
`aware 10:23
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`back 15:9 20:9,16
`beginning 11:3
`believe 15:16
`believes 10:18
`Board 1:3 3:3 7:15
`8:21 9:21 18:19
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`burden 6:3 11:24
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`call 1:18 3:5,21
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`certify 21:7
`chance 5:16 10:2
`characterization
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`citing 7:4
`claim 11:10 12:1
`claims 9:17 10:25
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