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`UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
`SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF INDIANA
`INDIANAPOLIS DIVISION
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`ELI LILLY AND COMPANY, )
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` Cause No. )
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` Plaintiff, 1:10-CV-01376-TWP-DKL
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` Indianapolis, Indiana
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` 9:04 a.m.
`TEVA PARENTERAL MEDICINES, )
`INC., APP PHARMACEUTICALS, )
`LLC, PLIVA HRVATSKA D.O.O., )
`TEVA PHARMACEUTICALS USA, )
`INC., BARR LABORATORIES, INC.,)
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` Defendants.
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`V O L U M E IV
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`Before the Honorable
`TANYA WALTON PRATT
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`OFFICIAL REPORTER'S TRANSCRIPT OF
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`David W. Moxley, RMR, CRR, CMRS
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`APPEARANCES
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`Adam L. Perlman, Esq.
`David M. Krinsky, Esq.
`Dov P. Grossman, Esq.
`Bruce R. Genderson, Esq.
`Megan A. Hughes, Esq.
`Andrew V. Trask, Esq.
`Williams & Connolly, LLP
`725 Twelfth Street, N.W.
`Washington, DC 20005
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`Jan M. Carroll, Esq.
`Barnes & Thornburg, LLP
`11 South Meridian Street
`Indianapolis, IN 46204-3535
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`James P. Leeds, Esq.
`Eli Lilly and Company
`Lilly Corporate Center
`Indianapolis, IN 46285
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`Daryl L. Wiesen, Esq.
`Goodwin Procter, LLP
`53 State Street
`Boston, MA 02109
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`Michael B. Cottler, Esq.
`Emily L. Rapalino, Esq.
`Elaine Herrmann Blais, Esq.
`Natasha E. Daughtrey, Esq.
`Brian J. Prew, Esq.
`Goodwin Procter, LLP
`620 Eighth Avenue
`New York, NY 10018
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`Kandi Kilkelly Hidde, Esq.
`E. Ashley Paynter, Esq.
`Bingham McHale LLP
`2700 Market Tower
`10 West Market Street
`Indianapolis, IN 46204-4900
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`Ali I. Ahmed, Esq.
`APP Pharmaceuticals, LLC
`Three Corporate Drive
`Lake Zurich, IL 60047
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`(The witness is sworn.)
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`THE COURT: You may have a seat.
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`And I'm going to go ahead and make a brief ruling on
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`the Rule 52 motion. In a bench trial, the Court may decline
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`that's what the Court is going to do in this matter.
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`With respect to the best-mode defense, since that
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`render a judgment on that one. We all are of the
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`understanding that it's no longer to be litigated.
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`Okay. Mr. Genderson, I assume you're going to
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`MR. GENDERSON: I am, Your Honor.
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`THE COURT: Okay.
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`MR. GENDERSON: Thank you.
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`Your Honor, Eli Lilly calls as its first witness,
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`Dr. Clet Niyikiza.
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`Q. Dr. Niyikiza, could you please introduce yourself to Judge
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`THE WITNESS: Good morning, Judge Pratt.
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`THE COURT: Good morning, Doctor.
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`A. My name is Clet Niyikiza. And it's spelled C-L-E-T for
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`the first name, and the last name is N-I-Y-I-K-I-Z-A.
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`And I'm the executive vice president of development
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`for Merrimack Pharmaceuticals based in Cambridge,
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`Massachusetts, and I live just outside Philadelphia.
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`THE COURT: Okay.
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`BY MR. GENDERSON:
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`Q. Dr. Niyikiza, do you hold a Ph.D.?
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`A. Yes.
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`Q. In what subject?
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`A. I hold a Ph.D. in mathematics and in statistics.
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`Q. Are you the inventor of the '209 patent that's been
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`A. Yes, I am.
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`Q. Where were you employed at the time that you -- of your
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`A. I was employed by Eli Lilly and Company here in
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`Q. Have you ever testified in a courtroom before?
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`A. No.
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`Q. Have you ever testified in deposition other than in this
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`Q. Have you ever been inside this courthouse before?
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`A. Yes, I have. Some years back when I was being sworn in as
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`Q. Dr. Niyikiza, could you briefly describe how you conceived
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`A. Yes. This was back in early 1997, and I was on the team
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`that was developing a drug then called pemetrexed, or Alimta.
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`And the program was in full swing. We had completed the Phase
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`looking at the overall safety of the drug, which is part of
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`what you do. And there were no particularly severe toxicity
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`commonly marketed chemotherapies.
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`However, there was a puzzling situation, certainly in
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`my mind, and that was, you would have patients come to the
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`doctor in these clinical trials; the tests on all clinical
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`parameters would be fine, ready to go. Some patients would be
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`given the treatment, and for multiple cycles of treatment,
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`they would be fine. Others would be given treatment, and
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`quickly they would develop toxicities. Certainly, that
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`multivariate analysis. Because we didn't know anything about
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`biochemists were looking at. And then I conducted a --
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`MR. WIESEN: Your Honor, I don't want to -- mean to
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`figure out whether we've drifted from back to expert
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`A. We considered -- I considered about 60 to 70 factors.
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`Q. And when you finished that analysis, what conclusions, if
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`any, were you able to draw from the data?
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`A. When I completed the analysis, I observed that there were
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`two critical markers in the patient's blood called
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`homocysteine and methylmalonic acid that were linked to the
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`marker was strongly predicting the toxicity. The MMA was
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`A. Yes, I did. And actually, there was something that was
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`problems within normal range, I conceived of the idea that
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`pretreated patients with folic acid?
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`five milligram of folic acid. In this particular case for
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`therapy, the day of treatment, and two days after. And in
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`treatment and then follow that regimen I just described.
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`A. Yes, I certainly can. I was -- I did my undergraduate
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`studies at the International Institute of Statistics and
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`Applied Economics that is in Rwanda in eastern Africa. And
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`A. I grew up in Rwanda and came to this country in 1983.
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`A. I was actually worried about the safety of my family and
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`A. Pharmaceutical company.
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`A. I got my Ph.D. in 1991.
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`Q. The first one was lometrexol. Did you work on lometrexol
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`A. So, lometrexol, which was an antifolate targeting an
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`A. That's right. I did.
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`A. Yes. I thought I was going to just stay there and help
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`A. Yes, I am. I have been serving on the C-Change, and
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`A. No. Actually, I became aware of it recently when they
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`next variable and say, "Wait a minute, is it salty?" So we
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