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`UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
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` BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`PALO ALTO NETWORKS, INC.,
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`Petitioner,
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`v.
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`FINJAN, INC.,
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`Patent Owner.
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`Case IPR2015-01979(Patent 8,141,154)
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`November 30, 2016 - 11:30 a.m.
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`TELECONFERENCE IN THE ABOVE MATTER
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`BEFORE: MIRIAM QUINN
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`THOMAS L. GIANNETTI
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`RICHARD E. RICE
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`Administrative Patent Judges
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`1 Honor. So we received the notice in
`2 this case, and I have back-to-back
`3 hearings, trials and I assumed that
`4 they were both going to be in the
`5 Virginia US PCO office, but now I have
`6 one here. When I say "here," one in
`7 San Jose and one in the East Coast.
`8 And so I just wanted to call and see
`9 what we could do to either have both
`10 of the hearings here in San Jose, that
`11 would be my preference or if there was
`12 some other arrangement. I'm just a
`13 little bit nervous about having two
`14 back-to-back hearings on opposite
`15 coasts for these proceedings.
`16 JUDGE QUINN: Okay.
`17 Petitioner, do you have anything
`18 to add?
`19 MR. ARMON: Yes, Your Honor.
`20 Petitioner's recommendation is that
`21 the Board consolidate the hearing in
`22 this case and in IPR2016-151 which is
`23 also a case concerning the same patent
`24 between the same parties. That
`25 hearing is scheduled for January 24,
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`1 A P P E A R A N C E S:
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` COOLEY LLP
` BY: ORION ARMON, ESQ.
`PETER SAUER, ESQ.
` 3175 Hanover Street
`5 Palo Alto, California 94304-1130
` Representing the Petitioners
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` KRAMER LEVIN NAFTALIS & FRANKEL LLP
` BY: JAMES HANNAH, ESQ.
`9 990 Marsh Road
` Menlo Park, California 94025
`10 Representing the Patent Owner
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`1 JUDGE QUINN: Good Morning.
`2 MR. ARMON: Good morning. This
`3 is Orion Armon of Cooley, lead counsel
`4 for Petitioner along with my colleague
`5 Peter Sauer.
`6 JUDGE QUINN: Okay. Do we have
`7 anyone for Semantic on the call?
`8 Maybe not yet.
`9 So who do we have for Patent
`10 Owner?
`11 MR. HANNAH: Good morning, Your
`12 Honor. This is James Hannah.
`13 JUDGE QUINN: Good morning, Mr.
`14 Hannah.
`15 Is there a court reporter on the
`16 line?
`17 THE COURT REPORTER: Yes, good
`18 morning. Lisa Sansone.
`19 JUDGE QUINN: Good morning.
`20 Okay. So this is a call regarding
`21 IPR2015-1979. It was requested by
`22 Patent Owner concerning the schedule
`23 of the hearing.
`24 Mr. Hannah, you have the floor.
`25 MR. HANNAH: Good morning, Your
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`1 2017, and it would be I think more
`2 efficient for the parties and the
`3 board and would also alleviate the
`4 scheduling conflicts for Mr. Hannah.
`5 JUDGE QUINN: Okay. Well, we
`6 have not -- yes, we sent an order --
`7 we haven't sent an order for 151 yet,
`8 have we?
`9 MR. HANNAH: No, Your Honor.
`10 MR. ARMON: Your Honor, I think
`11 that was based on the scheduling order
`12 the date that I was referring to.
`13 JUDGE QUINN: Okay. So we don't
`14 have a request for hearing and the
`15 order on that case. So we are dealing
`16 with 1979 and what to do.
`17 Mr. Hannah, the way that this
`18 panel is constituted, we cannot change
`19 our hearing setting to San Jose.
`20 There is no judge in this panel that
`21 sits in that location, so we cannot
`22 have that hearing there.
`23 MR. HANNAH: Okay.
`24 JUDGE QUINN: The best we can do
`25 for you at this point is to move our
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`1 CERTIFICATION
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`1 hearing to an earlier time in the day
`2 so that you have more time to prepare
`3 for whatever arrangements you have to
`4 do. Of course you are also welcome to
`5 contact the panel in the other
`6 proceeding 1892 and request that that
`7 hearing be set in Alexandria. I
`8 believe that they do have a judge
`9 sitting in Alexandria in that panel.
`10 I am not sure what else we could do
`11 for you at this time.
`12 MR. HANNAH: That is fine, Your
`13 Honor. I just was called and hoping
`14 to get some guidance. If we can move
`15 the San Jose hearing to Alexandria,
`16 that would be perfect. I would just
`17 like them both in the same location,
`18 and I was unaware which panel had
`19 flexibility in this instance. So I
`20 will go ahead and e-mail the other
`21 panel immediately this morning and
`22 request a call and see if there's
`23 something that we can do to move the
`24 location.
`25 JUDGE QUINN: Okay. Well, good
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`1 luck with that. I can't vouch for
`2 what they might or might not do, but I
`3 hope this gets resolved to everyone's
`4 approval. So that is all we can do
`5 right now.
`6 MR. HANNAH: Okay. Thank you,
`7 Your Honor.
`8 JUDGE QUINN: All right. Is
`9 there anything else that we need to
`10 discuss?
`11 MR. ARMON: Nothing from
`12 Petitioner.
`13 MR. HANNAH: Nothing from Patent
`14 Owner.
`15 JUDGE QUINN: Well, thank you
`16 all for your time, and we'll see you
`17 all December 15th.
`18 MR. HANNAH: Thank you very
`19 much.
`20 MR. ARMON: Thank you. You have
`21 a nice day.
`22 JUDGE QUINN: You too. Bye-bye.
`23 (Time noted: 11:34 a.m.)
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` I, Lisa Sansone, a Notary Public for
`4 and within the State of New York, do
`5 hereby certify:
`6 That the within transcript of the
`7 foregoing proceedings is a true and
`8 accurate transcription of my stenographic
`9 notes.
`10 I further certify that I am not
`11 related to any of the parties to this
`12 action by blood or marriage, and that I am
`13 in no way interested in the outcome of
`14 this matter.
`15 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto
`16 set my hand this 1st day of December, 2016.
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`LISA SANSONE
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