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`UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
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`BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`VALEO NORTH AMERICA, INC., VALEO S.A.,
`VALEO GMBH, VALEO SCHALTER UND SENSOREN GMBH,
`AND CONNAUGHT ELECTRONICS LTD.,
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` Petitioner, Case IPR2015-01410
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` vs. Patent 8,643,724 B2
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`MAGNA ELECTRONICS, INC.,
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` Patent Owner.
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` Telephonic Hearing
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` ~ Before ~
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` Hon. J. Arbis
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` Hon. M. Fitzpatrick
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` Hon. R. Weinschenk
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` Thursday, May 26, 2016
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`REPORTED BY:
`JEANESE JOHNSON
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`KIRKLAND & ELLIS, LLP
`Attorneys for Petitioner
` BY: HARI SANTHANAM, ESQ.
` 300 North LaSalle
` Chicago, Illinois 60654
` (312) 862-7172
` (312) 862-2200
` hari.santhanam@kirkland.com
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`STERNE, KESSLER, GOLDSTEIN, FOX
`Attorneys for Patent Owner
` BY: SALVADOR M. BEZOS, ESQ.
` 1100 New York Avenue NW, Suite 600
` Washington, DC 20005
` (202) 371-2600
` (202) 371-2540
` sbezos@skgf.com
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` HON. J. ARBIS: Good morning,
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` everyone. This is Judge Arbis with the
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` Patent Trial and Appeal Board. I have
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` with me on the line Judge Fitzpatrick and
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` Judge Weinschenk. This is a call in
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` IPR2015-01410.
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` Are there counsel for the
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` Petitioner on the line?
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` MR. SANTHANAM: Yes, Your
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` Honor. This is Hari Santhanam from
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` Kirkland & Ellis on behalf of the
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` Petitioners.
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` HON. J. ARBIS: Okay.
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` And counsel for the Patent
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` Owner.
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` MR. BEZOS: Yes, good morning,
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` Your Honors. This is Sal Bezos from
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` Sterne Kessler, counsel for the Patent
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` Owner, Magna Electronics.
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` HON. J. ARBIS: Great. Thank
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` you. And do we have a court reporter on
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` THE COURT REPORTER: Yes, we
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` do, Your Honor. Good morning.
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` HON. J. ARBIS: Thank you. And
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` was the court reporter retained by
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` Petitioner or Patent Owner?
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` MR. SANTHANAM: By the
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` petitioners, Your Honor.
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` HON. J. ARBIS: Okay.
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` MR. SANTHANAM: And again,
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` we'll arrange to have a transcript filed
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` with the court as soon as feasible.
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` HON. J. ARBIS: Thank you very
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` much. We appreciate that.
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` Okay. The issue today to
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` discuss I believe is Exhibits 1045,
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` 1046, 1054, 1055 and 1060.
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` So as I understand the facts,
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` the exhibits were not filed with
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` Petitioner's reply, were inadvertently
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` omitted, but then petitioners sought the
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` ability to file those afterwards.
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` As we understand it, Patent
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` Owner does not object to the late filing
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` of the exhibits but does object to them
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` being filed in reply at all.
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` So we can hear from counsel for
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` Patent Owner first.
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` Do we have the facts correct,
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` and if so, what relief would you be
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` seeking?
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` MR. BEZOS: Yes, Your Honor.
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` That sounds like an accurate description.
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` Just to add to that, it would not just be
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` the exhibits, but of course the relevant
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` portions of the reply we think would need
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` to be stricken or, you know, a new copy
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` of the reply filed with those sections
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` referencing these exhibits omitted.
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` The reason why we think that
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` this is an appropriate remedy is that
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` these exhibits -- and the reason why we
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` thought it was permissible for
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` Petitioner to submit the exhibits into
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` the record late, is that we did, in fact,
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` have these, but they were being used by
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` the Petitioner in response to evidentiary
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` objections, and so that's such a
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` completely different purpose from which
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` they are trying to use these exhibits
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` now, and that's as supplemental
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` information. They are being used to go
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` to the actual heart of the matter as to
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` whether the Wang reference is, in fact, a
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` prior art reference and not the earlier
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` dispute dealing with whether Wang should
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` be admissible in the first place or not.
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` By introducing the evidence at
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` this stage in the proceeding, first off,
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` the Patent Owner has no opportunity to
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` respond and we're not seeking an
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` opportunity to respond. We're seeking --
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` as far as the remedy, we're seeking all
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` of this to be expunged from the record,
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` but we're not afforded the opportunity.
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` It's very late in the game.
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` But second, the Petitioner was
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` in the position from the outset of this
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` proceeding, based on their knowledge of
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` how this played out in ICR2014-00220, to
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` have cited everything that they could
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` have come across or would have needed at
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` the outset in the petition. And failing
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` that, should they have come across
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` anything else, the proper avenue to
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` approach this to introduce these exhibits
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` into the record is a motion for
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` supplemental information at the
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` post-institution stage, and they did not
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` seek that remedy either.
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` HON. J. ARBIS: Okay. So we
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` have a couple questions, and then I can
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` hear from Petitioner.
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` One, can you point us -- I have
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` Petitioner's reply in front of me. Can
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` you point to the specific portions of the
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` reply that you believe should be
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` stricken?
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` MR. BEZOS: Yes, Your Honor.
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` Let me see here. So on page 11, there's
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` a few instances here.
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` Yeah, so there's a citation to
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` Exhibit 1055 at the bottom of page 11, so
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` there's some supporting sentences around
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` that.
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` And on page 12, the last
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` paragraph of that same section in its
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` entirety is dealing with the new exhibits
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` and is also at issue there.
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` HON. J. ARBIS: Okay.
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` MR. BEZOS: And, Your Honor, I
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` apologize, and also on the very first
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` paragraph of that section, there's a
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` Section 2 starting at page 11, there's a
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` citation to the Federal Circuit decision
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` that's Exhibit 1045 as well, and so that
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` sentence should be stricken.
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` HON. J. ARBIS: Okay. So it
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` appears that on pages 11 and 12 there are
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` some portions that talk about these five
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` specific exhibits and some portions maybe
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` that do not.
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` So you would be seeking to
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` strike just the portions that talk about
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` the new exhibits. Is that right?
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` MR. BEZOS: That's correct,
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` Your Honor. I mean, our position isn't
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` that they are not allowed to respond to
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` these issues. Our position is that their
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` response should be contained to the
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` evidence that they presented or should
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` have presented previously; otherwise,
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` it's almost a clear extension of their
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` reach in a reply and the addition the
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` matter by adding this evidence and citing
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` HON. J. ARBIS: Okay. And your
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` position is that this argument that is
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` scope of a proper reply. It's not in
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` response to arguments made by Patent
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` Owner in the response.
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` MR. BEZOS: Well, Your Honor, I
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` know that the Petitioner is going to say
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` that it's responsive, but the issue isn't
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` I think whether it's responsive or not.
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` It's that under the Trial Practice Guide,
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` the Petitioner has an obligation to
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` present all of their evidence at the
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` outset or to follow the rules for
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` supplemental information.
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` And, you know, the Trial
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` Practice Guide very clearly says that a
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` reply that raises a new issue or
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` belatedly presents evidence will not be
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` considered and may be returned.
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` And that's what transpired
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` here. It's allowing the Petitioner to
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` basically sand bag us with evidence that
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` they had been holding onto until this
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` late stage in the game cannot be allowed,
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` whether they think it's responsive or
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` not.
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` HON. J. ARBIS: Can we hear
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` from counsel for Petitioner. Would you
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` like to respond?
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` MR. SANTHANAM: Yes, Your
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` Honor. Again, this is Hari Santhanam
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` from Kirkland & Ellis.
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` I would like to begin by way of
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` a little bit of background, and I'd also
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` like to address this argument that some
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` of these exhibits that have been
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` presented since institution qualify as
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` supplemental information.
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` But first, by way of
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` background, as Your Honors may be aware,
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` due to the motions that were filed,
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` Kirkland & Ellis got involved in this ITR
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` just shortly before institution.
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` After the ITR was instituted,
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` Patent Owner served a number of
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` objections regarding exhibits, in
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` particular, as to the authenticity of
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` various articles, including the Wang
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` reference that seems to be the focus of
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` their current argument.
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` And in response to that, we
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` submitted declarations and other
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` from different libraries, et cetera,
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` within the time frame for supplemental
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` evidence. And one outstanding piece of
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` that evidence was we had requested
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` certified copies of the Wang reference
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` were able to locate at the Library of
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` Congress, and we were informed at that
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` time that it would take a period of time
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` to have the library actually prepare
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` those certifications and provide them in
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` the litigation. Or excuse me, in these
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` IPRs.
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` We received that from the
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` Library of Congress on March 18th, and we
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` served those on the Patent Owner that
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` very same day. And then on May 23rd in
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` our reply, we relied on some of these
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` exhibits, not all of them, some of these
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` exhibits that we submitted as
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` supplemental evidence. And to respond to
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` Patent Owner's arguments that the Wang
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` reference does not qualify as prior art.
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` Now, I'll get into their
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` argument about supplemental information,
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` but one thing I want to make clear to
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` this board is that we're not talking
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` about, you know, whether there's a
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` question that Wang is prior art. I mean,
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` we've submitted a certified copy from the
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` U.S. Library of Congress the same day
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` that we received it. It doesn't get more
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` authentic than that, and it doesn't get
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` more dispositive than that as to whether
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` or not this reference is, in fact, prior
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` art.
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` So the only argument that they
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` are raising is that this certified copy
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` and a couple of other items that we had
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` submitted in response to Patent Owner's
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` objections and in the reply some been
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` submitted with the petition. And we
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` completely disagree with that.
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` It's supplemental information,
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` you know, as this board can appreciate,
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` you know, covers instances where things
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` petition and substantive evidence in the
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` first instance. Here that's not the
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` case. What we submitted with the reply
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` was absolutely responsive to arguments
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` that the Patent Owner raised. There was
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` petition, even though we got involved
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` just shortly before institution, in our
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` view, the petition sets forth a very
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` strong prima facie case that this
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` particular reference, the Wang reference,
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` is, in fact, prior art.
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` There was a Federal Circuit
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` decision applying this reference as prior
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` priority date. There's a previous board
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` decision addressing the prior art nature
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` of this reference. We submitted with the
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` petition a declaration by one of our
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` experts explaining his experience with
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` IEEE and his background and opinion that
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` this is, in fact, prior art.
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` So there was quite a bit of
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` evidence that was submitted with the
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` petition to demonstrate that this was
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` prior art, and the court instituted it
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` based on that evidence.
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` And so what we have done is we
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` provided articles, certified copies of
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` articles and other information in
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` response to Patent Owner's objections to
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` the evidence, and then when we saw the
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` Patent Owner's -- Patent Owner response,
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` again, arguing that this Wang reference
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` is not prior art, we then submitted that
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` in connection with our reply.
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` There's no question here that
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` this is all responsive to arguments that
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` the Patent Owner has raised.
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` HON. J. ARBIS: Okay. Can we
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` hear from counsel for Patent Owner. You
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` can have the last word, and then the
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` panel will confer.
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` MR. BEZOS: Yes, Your Honor.
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` So a couple of things I want to
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` address that Mr. Santhanam raised.
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` The first is kind of the
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` quality of these exhibits that are being
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` know we don't really want to get into the
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` specifics, but since counsel raised the
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` issue, I wanted to note that the Federal
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` Circuit case nowhere addresses whether
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` Wang qualifies as a premiere publication
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` or not. That's just not an issue there.
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` And in the previous board
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` decision that opposing counsel raised,
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` that's which exhibit? Yeah, that's the
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` IPR2014-00220 case, in that case -- and
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` this is why our trajectory in this case
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` has proceeded the way it has -- the Board
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` made it clear that, you know, following
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` the Handi Quilter case that there's a
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` very clear separation between the
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` admissibility evidence issue and the
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` substantive issue of whether our
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` reference is, in fact, prior art or not.
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` And in this case, which we took
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` that to heart and made our arguments in
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` the Patent Owner response and dealt with
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` the admissibility issue separately.
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` What Petitioner has done here
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` is they basically brought in the exhibits
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` dealing with the admissibility issue,
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` which if we file a motion to exclude,
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` they can use those exhibits in that way
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` because that's how they've proceeded in
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` HON. J. ARBIS: Can I ask the
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` So if you have a Petitioner
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` printed publication and that's determined
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` is the Petitioner not entitled to respond
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` to that and present new evidence? What
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` MR. BEZOS: Well, I mean, I
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` HON. J. ARBIS: Okay. I think
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` we understand both parties' positions.
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` We'll take just a minute while the panel
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` MR. SANTHANAM: Okay. Thank
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` HON. J. ARBIS: Okay. Do we
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` MR. SANTHANAM: Yes, Your
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` MR. BEZOS: Yes, Your Honor.
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` HON. J. ARBIS: Okay. The
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` HON. J. ARBIS: Okay. Counsel
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` MR. SANTHANAM: Your Honor,
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` HON. J. ARBIS: Okay. Well,
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` So if the parties request a
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` MR. BEZOS: Your Honor, this is
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` would the board still potentially weigh
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` HON. J. ARBIS: Why don't we
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` MR. BEZOS: Okay. Great, Your
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` HON. J. ARBIS: Okay. Any
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` MR. SANTHANAM: That's it for
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` petitioners, Your Honor.
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` MR. BEZOS: Nothing else for
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` Patent Owner, Your Honor.
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` HON. J. ARBIS: Thank you.
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` Petitioner, please file the transcript of
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` the call as soon as it's available, and
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` we are adjourned for today.
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` MR. SANTHANAM: Great. Thank
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` you.
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` MR. BEZOS: Thank you.
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` HON. J. ARBIS: Thank you.
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