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`TOYOTA MOTOR NORTH AMERICA, INC.,
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`Case No. IPR2014-00280
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`Oral Hearing Held on Tuesday, March 24, 2015
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`Before: JOSIAH C. COCKS, HYUN J. JUNG, and GEORGE R.
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`The above-entitled matter came on for hearing on Tuesday, March 24,
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`WILLIAM H. MANDIR, ESQ.
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`JOHN F. RABENA, ESQ.
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`FADI N. KIBLAWI, ESQ.
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`Sughrue Mion, PLLC
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`2100 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
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`JOHN R. KASHA, ESQ.
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`Kasha Law LLC
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`TIMOTHY M. SALMON, ESQ.
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`Cruise Control Technologies LLC
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`14532 Defief Mill Road
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`P R O C E E D I N G S
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`J UDGE C OC KS: Th ank yo u . I think w e ar e all
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`b ac k . We a re o nce ag ai n on th e re co rd .
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`Th is is the se cond o r al arg u me nt se ssi on f or the
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`r e lat ed p ro c eed ings invol ving U. S . P a ten t 6 ,324 , 463. Th is
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`o ra l a rgu me n t con ce rn s I P R2014 -002 80 .
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`On c e ag ain , le t' s h av e co uns el for bo th sid es
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`in tr odu ce t he ms e lv es , b egin ning with P eti tion e r .
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`M R . M ANDIR : Goo d mo rn ing , You r Hon or s . M y
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`n a me i s Will ia m M an dir . I ' m f r o m th e l a w fi r m o f Sug hru e
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`M ion i n Was hing ton , D. C . , re pr es ent ing t he Pe tit ione r , To yot a
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`M oto rs .
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`Al so joi ning me f r o m my f i r m i s Fa di Ki bl a wi , a nd
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`a lso John Ra ben a, who is b ac kup cou nse l .
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`J UDGE C OC KS: Th ank yo u . For th e Pa te nt
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`Own e r?
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`M R . KAS HA: Goo d mo rni ng , You r Hono r . M y
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`n a me i s John Kash a . I' m l e a d co uns el fo r th e P at ent Own e r .
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`And with me t od ay i s M r . Ti mo t h y S a l mo n f ro m C r u is e
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`C ont rol Te chno logi es , and h e wi ll b e doi ng th e a rg ume n t .
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`J UDGE C OC KS: Al l r ight . Th ank yo u , M r .
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`Ka sh a . On ce ag ain , as we s et fo rth i n th e t ri al h ea rin g or de r ,
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`e a ch s ide has 45 mi n ut es . The P eti tion er ma y r e s e rv e r ebu tt al
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`P a ten t Own er will the n giv e th e ent ir et y o f t he ir
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`c as e , and t he P etit ion er will con clud e wit h an y t i me th e y
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`r e se rv ed .
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`S o th at b ein g s aid , t he p odiu m i s yo u rs ,
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`M r . Ma ndi r . Woul d you l ike to res e rve so me r eb utta l ti me ?
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`M R . M ANDIR : Th ank yo u , You r Hon or . Yes , I
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`wou ld . I wou ld lik e t o r es er ve 1 5 mi n ut es fo r reb utt al .
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`J UDGE C OC KS: Al l r ight . Th ank yo u .
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`M R . M ANDIR : B e c aus e M r . Sat ch well al r ead y
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`t alk ed abou t th e p at ent , I th ink we c an just go r ight in to th e
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`g roun ds f or u npa te nt abil it y.
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`I n th is I P R we hav e f ou r di ff e ren t p i e ce s of pr ior
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`a r t th at ar e us ed . Th r ee a re f ro m M itsu bish i Mo tors and o ne
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`is f ro m To yo t a Mot or s . The fi rs t on e , Di a ma nt e , t hat r ef e rs to
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`th e Di a ma n te o wn er ' s ma nu al fo r th e Di a ma nt e automo b il e
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`ma d e b y M i tsubi shi . It is th e ma n ua l you would g et wh en yo u
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`bu y a c a r .
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`Th e re is a lso a s ec ond ma n ua l . I t is t he P re vie w
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`Di sta nc e Cont rol ma n u al , al so f or th e Di a ma nt e ca r .
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`Th e re is a Jap an es e p at ent to Wa t an ab e whi ch is
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`a ssi gne d to Mitsubi shi Moto rs and th en , las tl y, we ha ve
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`a noth e r o wn er ' s ma n u al . This the To yo t a Mo tor s ma nu al for
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`i ts C el sio r au to mob il e .
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`And si mi l ar to wh at we s a w in t he p re viou s I P R ,
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`th e re is a ch a rt in th is exhib it , p age DX - 7 , lis ting the c lai ms
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`a t is sue in th e IPR , an d th e c he ck in th e box co rr espo nding to
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`th e re f er en ce .
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`S o , for ex a mp l e , in 21 , we hav e Dia ma n t e alon e a s
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`a n a nti cip ati on , and als o an oth er gr ound s of Dia ma n t e in
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`c o mb in atio n with th e Di a ma n te P revi e w Di st anc e Cont ro l ,
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`b as ed on an ob viou sne ss a rgu me n t.
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`Ag ain , si mi l ar to th e p r eviou s pr ese nt atio n , th e
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`g re en b oxe s ind ica t e t hos e cl ai ms th at t he P ate nt Offi c e did
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`no t sp ec if ic all y a r gu e . S o , fo r ex amp l e , in a d epe nde nt cl ai m
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`th e y ma y h a ve just r eli ed o n th e same a r g u me n t th e y ma d e fo r
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`th e i nde pend en t cl ai m.
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`J UDGE C OC KS: I thi nk you s ai d P a ten t Of fi c e .
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`Di d you me a n Pa te nt Ow n e r?
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`M R . M ANDIR : I me a nt P at ent Own er , if I s aid
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`o f fic e . So rr y, Yo u r Hono r .
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`Th e fi rst g roun d th at was in stit ut ed wa s an
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`a nti cip at ion o f s ev er al of the cl ai ms b as ed on the o wn er ' s
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`ma n u al . This ma nu al was p ublis hed i n 1995 . Agai n, i t is a
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`M itsu bish i Mo tors ca r , t he Dia ma n t e . Her e we s ee a f igu r e
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`f r o m t he exhi bit , Exh ibit 104 , whi ch s ho ws th e op e rat ion o f
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`th e Di a ma n te auto mo bi le .
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`F i rst o f all , t he Di a ma n te p rov id es a pr ev ie w
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`di st anc e cont rol o f a veh ic le b as ed o n pr es et cr uis e sp e ed .
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`And if we l ook at th is figu r e of th e ma n ual , we s e e , f i rst o f
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`a ll , we h av e a ma in s wit ch t hat tu rns on th e s ys te m. On c e th e
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`s ys t e m i s tu rn ed on , the ope r ato r is t hen ab le t o se t th e cr uis e
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`c ont rol spe ed , t he p re se t sp eed .
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`On c e th at cru ise c ont rol spe ed i s se t , th e re is a
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`c ru is e co nt rol in di c ato r lig ht th at co me s on . As soon as th e
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`c ru is e co nt rol sp ee d is set , th e s yste m a u to ma t i c all y e nt er s
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`in to th e p re vi e w di st anc e cont rol mo d e , whi ch is sho wn in th is
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`to p c ent e r me ss age disp la y. Th a t 's a blo wup - - i t is a c tua ll y
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`h er e - - but i t is blo wn up fo r cl a rity.
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`F i rst o f all , yo u not ic e th at the pr es et s pe ed , th e
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`p re se t sp eed se t by t h e u se r , b y t he d riv e r , is s ho wn . He r e i t
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`is 80 ki lo me t e rs p er hou r . I t is p ut into t he auto mo bi le tha t it
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`is r e fe r ring t o , the dr iv er 's aut o mobi le , rig ht h er e , thi s ba ck
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`on e .
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`You will als o se e th at it is abl e t o d et ec t wh eth er
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`o r not a v ehi cl e is i n f ron t o f it . So we s ee he r e th at , when it
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`is high light ed as sh o wn h er e , it me a ns th at it h as d ete c ted it .
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`I t also indi ca te s th e dis ta nc e b et we e n you r auto mo bil e and th e
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`on e in f ront . He re , yo u ca n' t s ee i t v er y we l l , bu t it is 40
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`Th e p re vi e w dis tan ce con tr ol wil l op er at e so as to
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`c ont rol yo u r ve hic l e to ma k e su r e th er e i s a p rop e r dis ta nc e to
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`th e ca r ahe ad . So, f o r ex a mp l e , i f yo u ge t too clo se to a ca r ,
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`i t will a ctu all y s lo w yo u do wn . So i f you a re c ruis ing at this
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`80 kilo me t e rs p e r ho ur , yo u a r e g ett ing to o cl ose to th e c a r
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`a he ad , it wil l slow yo u do wn .
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`I f the c ar has pl ent y o f dist an ce in f r ont , no
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`p robl e m, yo u will b e a bl e to g o up to yo u r c rui se s pee d , th e
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`p re se t c rui se s pe ed . I f th er e is no c a r th e re at all , th en yo u
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`wi ll also c ruis e at the pr es et sp e ed.
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`S o th e fi rst ar gume n t I would lik e to add r ess i s
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`a c tua ll y P a ten t Own e r' s f irs t a rgume n t . I t is an argu me n t th at
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`is r ep ea ted thr ough out th ei r re spons e , and , th at is , th at P at ent
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`Own e r s a ys th at th e p etit ion re li es on the i mp ro pe r
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`c o mb in atio n of dif f e re nt e mb o di me nt s o f Di a ma nt e to all eg e
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`a nti cip at ion .
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`Wh a t th e y a r e r efe r rin g to i s th e use of c ruis e
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`c ont rol with t his p re vi e w dis tan c e c ont rol , but , as we sa w
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`p re viou sl y, th e p re se t sp ee d is us ed in this pr evi e w dis ta nc e
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`c ont rol . It is us ed and i s sho wn righ t he r e . I t is p ar t o f th e
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`s a me s ys t e m. I t is p a rt o f th e s a me a uto mo bi le .
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`S o for P at ent Own er to s a y th at the y a r e so me h o w
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`di f fe r ent e mb odime n t s , th at yo u ca n 't co mb in e th em, I t hink is
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`so rt of a st r et ch or an un re ason abl e po siti on . Th e s yst e ms
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`c e rt ain l y go h and - in -h and .
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`F o r ind ep end ent c l ai ms 1 , 2 and 26 , P ate nt Own e r
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`ma k e s the a rgu me nt th at th e sp e ed c ont rol le r o f t h e c l ai m i s
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`no t dis clo sed b y th e Di a ma nt e ma n u al . Her e we s ee th e re st
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`o f th e cla i m, wh ic h is h ighl ight ed h er e i n blu e . Thos e a r e
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`e l e me nts th at Pate nt Own e r h as no di sag r ee me n t t hat
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`Di a ma n te te ac he s th ose f ea tu res . S o wh at we 'r e t alki ng a bout
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`is th e sp e ed con trol le r fo r th es e th re e cl ai ms .
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`No w, the To yot a p eti tion r ef e rs to c ru is e co nt rol
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`a s c or r espon ding to th e sp eed con trol le r . If yo u lo ok at t he
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`c it ati on th at we se e in th e l ef t bot to m p o rti on o f th e sl id e , it
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`s a ys : C rui se contr ol i s a s ys t e m t ha t allo ws th e ve hic l e to
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`c ru is e a t a cons tant spe ed , b et we en 40 and 100 ki lome t e r s p e r
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`ho ur , withou t de pr e ssing the a cc el er a tor ped al .
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`Th at l ang uag e i s v er y s i mi l a r to wh at we s ee in
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`th es e in dep end ent c l ai ms . F or ex amp l e , a spe ed cont rol le r fo r
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`a uto ma t i ca l l y ma in ta ining the veh ic l e at a su bst antia ll y
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`c onst an t c rui sing sp e ed s el ec ted b y th e op e ra to r , an d th e o the r
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`c l ai ms a r e si mi l ar .
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`I f we l ook at th e '46 3 pa ten t sp ec ifi c ation and se e
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`wh at t he s pe ed cont ro lle r i s , we see th at wh en we look at - -
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`c o mp a r e th e c laims t o the spe ci fi ca tio n , th e sp eed con tro ll er
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`is de sc rib ed as a c ru is e co nt rol s ys t e m o r as a cru is e c ont rol ,
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`e xa ct l y th e s a me wa y t h at 's d es c rib ed in this Dia ma nt e
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`ma n u al .
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`S o , for ex a mp l e , " a cr uis e c ont rol e na bl e s wit ch
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`a sso ci at ed wit h th e c ont rol l e r f or e na blin g and dis abl ing t he
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`c ont rol le r ." The c ru is e co nt rol is no w en abl ed , i s wh at t he
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`qu ote is fro m t h e sp e c th at co rr espon ds to t ha t .
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`Th e bo tto m o n e , th e op er at ion al st atu s o f th e sp eed
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`c ont rol le r , in th e sp e c , th e op er at ion al s tat us o f th e cr uis e
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`c ont rol s yst e m. S o th e y c on fl at e sp e ed c ont roll e r wi th c ru ise
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`c ont rol or c ruis e c ont rol s yst e m. And th at 's e xa ctly t h e
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`di sc losu re we s e e in Dia ma n t e . S o we s a y th at t he Di a ma n te
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`ma n u al cl e ar l y me e ts th at el e me nt .
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`I woul d lik e to mov e on to c la i m 1 2 . So cl ai m 1 2 ,
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`th e fe atu r e o f c lai m 1 2 t ha t P at ent Own e r a rgu es i s mi s s ing in
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`Di a ma n te is th is st ep , ma i nt ain ing st ep : " Mai nt aining the
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`a c tiv at ed c rui se con tro l sp ee d s ymbo l upon te mp o rar y
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`a c c ele r atio n o r de c el e rat ion o f th e v ehi cl e ."
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`And spe ci fi c all y wh at Pa te nt Owne r a rgu es is , as
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`to this te mp o r ar y d ec el e ra tion asp ec t o f thi s c la i m, P e titi one r
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`c it es to Dia ma n t e' s cont rol le ve r to s el ec t a r edu ced c ru isin g
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`sp e ed . So th e y a re sa yi ng tha t thi s c ru is e - - th is contr ol l ev e r ,
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`is not me e t ing th is s te p of ma i nt ainin g .
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`We a g r ee with t he m, b u t th at 's n ot th e po rt ion o f
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`th e cit ati on th at we ' r e re f er rin g to. I f yo u lo ok a t th e p etit ion ,
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`a nd th is cla i m e l eme n t o f th e ma in ta ini ng st ep , th e re is a
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`s ec tion of Dia ma nt e t hat we cit e to , and t he s e cond bu ll et
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`po int d o es tal k abou t thi s co ntr ol le ve r , bu t we sp eci fi ca ll y
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`hi ghlig ht ed in r ed and u nde rl ine d a noth e r po rtio n whi ch is th e
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`po rt ion th at we thin k is re le van t .
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`And in th at p or tion it s a ys: The sp ee d of yo u r
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`v ehi cl e dis pl a ye d on the spe edo me t e r di ff e rs fr o m th e p re set
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`sp e ed di spl a ye d on t he me s s age , on th e ce nte r me s sag e
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`di spl a y. S o wh at yo u ha ve t he r e , th at 's t he p a rt th at we thi nk
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`v ehi cl e - to -ve hic le dis tan c e co nt rol is on , o r whil e ac c el e rat ing
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`to th e pr es et s pe ed - - so you a re a cc e le r ating as r equi r ed in
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`th is st ep - - th e spe ed th at you a re ac tu all y a t and the sp e ed
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`th at 's bei ng dis pla ye d a r e di ff e re nt.
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`I thi nk , a nd thi s is k ind o f a r eo ccu r ring t he me i n
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`P a ten t Own er 's r esp ons e , is t his v ehi cl e -to -v ehi cl e dis ta nc e
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`c ont rol , the y ju s t do n' t thi nk it s houl d be app li ed , and I th ink
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`th at 's pa rt o f wh at the a rgu me n t is .
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`J UDGE HOS KI NS : Pa rdo n me , c oun sel . This
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`DX- 20 , b e fo re i t i t sa ys " wh il e a c ce l er ati ng to t he pr e set
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`sp e ed ." And I think one of t he things the P at ent Own er sa ys
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`is , wel l , th e c la im l i mi t ati on t alks a bout a cc el e rat ing abov e
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`th e p r ese t sp ee d .
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`S o can yo u a dd ress th at , pl e ase?
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`M R . M ANDIR : Ye s , You r Hon or . I thi nk you a re
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`a c tua ll y r e f er ri ng to a d if f er ent cl ai m, n ot cl ai m 1 2 . I f yo u
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`lo ok a t c la i m 12 , I thi nk ma yb e yo u ar e re f er ri ng to c l ai m 2 6
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`wh ich was d is cuss ed -- ei the r 25 or 26 -- whi ch wa s di scu ss ed
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`in th e pr evi ous IPR .
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`I f yo u lo ok a t this l i mi t ation , it doe sn 't h av e th at
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`l i mi ta tio n abou t ac c el e rat ing abov e th e p r ese t sp ee d .
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`J UDGE HOS KI NS : Th ank yo u . So ar e yo u goin g
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`M R . M ANDIR : De f init el y wi ll , You r Hon or .
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`J UDGE HOS KI NS : Ok a y.
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`M R . M ANDIR : Ok a y. Al so f or cl ai m 1 2 , b esi des
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`th e anti ci pat ion ba se d on Di a m a n te' s ma n ua l b y it se lf , we al so
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`h av e an obvio usne ss ar gu me nt base d on Dia ma n te in v ie w of
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`th at Jap an es e pa te nt t o Wat an ab e .
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`P a ten t Own er doesn 't r espo nd to t his at al l . So we
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`C l ai m 1 5 . Pat ent Own e r a rgu es t ha t th e p eti tion
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`do es n ot sho w tha t Di a ma n te d is clos es this cl ai m f e a tu re , and
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`I ' m q u otin g , " af ter a ct iva ting t he cr uis e cont rol s yste m b u t
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`b ef or e s ett ing th e p re se t sp eed , indi c ating to th e op er a tor th e
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`un set st atus o f t he pr es et s pe ed . "
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`And spe ci fi c all y P a ten t Own er c riti ci ze s th e
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`e vid en ce in th e pe tit ion at p ag e 52 s a yin g th at Pe tition e r c ite s
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`to th e e mp t y v eh ic l e outl in e in Di ama n t e 's dis cuss ion o f th e
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`mo d e s wit ch . Howe v er , t he r e is no i ndi ca tion o n pa ge 52 o r
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`a n ywh e re els e in Di a ma n te tha t th e e mp t y v e hi cl e out lin e is
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`e ve r s ho wn to the op e ra tor . The y s a y t h at t his i s ne ve r sho wn
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`B ut i f we loo k at th e bo tto m o f th e c it ati on f ro m
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`Exh ibit 104 , th e ma n u al sp eci fi c all y s a ys - - t his is on pag e
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`52 - - th at t he i tem i s d ispl a ye d to th e op e ra to r . It sa ys : Ea ch
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`in th e fo llo wi ng o rd er .
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`And it in clu de s th e p rev ie w dist anc e con tro l
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`in fo r ma t ion . So I don 't think the re c an b e an y a rg ume n t th at
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`th is is disp la ye d to t h e o pe r ato r . I t s a ys it e xpli cit l y.
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`Al so , f or cl ai m 1 5 , b esi de s this ant ici pa tion , we
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`a lso h av e a co mb in ati on , a n obvio usn ess co mb i nat ion b as ed
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`on the Dia ma n t e ma n u al in vi e w of th e Di a ma nt e Pre vi e w
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`Di sta nc e Cont rol ma n u al . Aga in , th e Pat en t Owne r di dn ' t
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`sp e ci fi cal l y r es pond to th is a rgu me nt .
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`I wil l poin t out at th e bo tto m p o rtion an expl ic it
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`di sc losu re of this f e atu r e: " The pre se t sp ee d is d ispl a ye d .
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`Wh e n th e sp e ed is n ot s et , th e sp ee d ( th re e di gits )" - - and
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`b ef or e we s a w 80 ki lo me t e rs p er hou r , fo r ex a mp l e - - "a r e not
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`di spl a ye d , onl y t h e s ymb ol is di spl a ye d ."
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`S o h er e we h ave in t he p r evi e w di st an ce con tro l
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`a noth e r e xpli cit te a chi ng o f this f ea tu re and , of cou rs e , it is
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`b eing disp la ye d .
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`J UDGE C OC KS: S o th e s ymb o l r ef e r enc ed the r e
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`is th e e mp t y c a r , e mp t y c a r i ma g e?
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`M R . M ANDIR : Th at 's rig ht . So we s ee h e re on
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`th e l e ft it ha s 100 ki lo me t e rs p er hou r . Wh en i t is uns et the r e
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`wi ll ju st b e noth ing in th at .
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`J UDGE C OC KS: Al l r ight .
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`M R . M ANDIR : Ok a y. C l ai m 2 1 . F o r thi s cl ai m
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`P a ten t Own er a rgu es th at the Dia ma nt e us er ma n u al do esn 't
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`c ru is e co nt rol s ys t e m i s d ea ct iva ted , d ispl a yi ng a s ymb o l
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`in di cat iv e of an uns et sta te of t he pr e set spe ed . "
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`P a ten t Own er 's spe c ifi c ar gu me nt wi th r es pe ct to
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`th is cla i m s te p is th at the r e is a l ack o f di spl a y o f a ny
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`in fo r ma t ion on the c ent e r me ss ag e di spl a y. S o th is we h ea rd
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`in th e pr evi ous IPR , wh er e th e is sue I think is th at th er e i s no
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`di spl a y. S o p erha ps Pa ten t Own er wa s a lit tl e co nfus ed , b ut
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`th at 's not wh at we a rgu ed i n this on e . Th at 's a di f fer en t iss ue .
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`I f we l ook in this p eti tion , wh at we a r e c iting to --
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`h er e i s th e c it ation t ha t we h av e in th e p eti tion - - th e c it ati on
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`s a ys : " If the vehi cl e sp ee d f al ls be lo w 3 5 kilo me t e r s p er hou r
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`o r you tu rn th e ma in s wit ch o ff , the ve hi cle spe ed dis pl a ye d
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`on the c ent er me s s ag e dis pla y d is app e ar s ."
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`Ag ain , the nu mb er s di sap pe a r . The i con is stil l
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`th e re of the con tou r o f th e a uto mo bi le . So we 'r e no t s a yin g
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`th at the r e is n othing the r e . We ' r e sa yi ng th at th e re is n o
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`C l ai m 2 1 a lso i s b as ed on g rou nd 2 o f th e
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`in stit ut ed d eci sion . It s ho ws , 21 ind ic at es i t is ob vio us b y
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`Di a ma n te in vi e w o f th e Pr evi e wed Di sta nc e Cont rol. P a ten t
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`Own e r did n ot , ag ain , r espond to thi s a rgu me n t .
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`J UDGE C OC KS: S o in tha t s cen a rio yo u ar e
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`M R . M ANDIR : Fo r th e obv iousn ess?
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`J UDGE C OC KS: Th e p re mi s e o f thi s ba ckg rou nd .
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`M R . M ANDIR : Ye s , so the r e a r e t wo di ff e ren t
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`do cu me n ts . Th e re is t he Dia ma n t e ma n ual whi ch doe s t alk
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`a bout pr evi e w d ist an ce con tro l .
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`J UDGE C OC KS: Oh , I s ee .
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`M R . M ANDIR : B ut t hen the r e is ju st s ep ar at el y a
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`s ep ar at e ma nu al . Th is sp ec if ic - - fo r th at p r evi e w dist an c e
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`c ont rol . This p ort ion th at is c it ed , we don 't fin d th at in th e
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`ot he r ma n ual . Tha t 's wh y we c it ed i t he r e be c aus e it is so
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`e xpl ici t .
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`Ok a y. C l ai m 2 5 . Th is is , I th ink , th e c la i m t ha t
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`Ju dge Hoskin s was r ef e rr ing to p r evi ousl y. F o r th is c l ai m, t h e
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`P a ten t Own er a rgu es th at the la st two s te ps o f thi s cl ai m a r e
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`no t sho wn in Di ama n t e 's o wne r 's ma n u al . Aga in , it s a ys :
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`" Ac ce le r atin g th e v ehi cl e to a sp e ed abov e th e p r eset s pe ed;
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`a nd ma i nt ainin g th e dis pl a y o f th e s ymb o l ind ic ativ e o f th e
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`p re se t sp eed while th e v ehi cl e is at th e sp e ed abov e th e p r ese t
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`S o wh at we h ave h er e i s a s itu ati on wh e re yo u ar e
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`a bov e th e sp e ed but yo u ar e st ill s ho wing th e p re se t sp e ed .
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`Ok a y. S o th e p eti tion cit es t wo por tio ns o f th e
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`ma n u al fo r me e ting the se c ond itions . The fi rst one st at es tha t
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`a c c ele r atio n .
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`Th is si mp l y s ho ws t ha t you ca n be a t th e p re se t
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`sp e ed a nd you c an ac c el er a t e above it . Yo u put o n th e
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`a c c ele r ato r p ed al , yo u c an go above it . An d i f you re l eas e i t
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`yo u will go b ack , yo u will r esu me b ac k to t he p r es et sp e ed .
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`Th e s ec ond po rt ion tha t we ci te t o st at es : " Whi le
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`v ehi cl e - to -ve hic le dis tan c e co nt rol is on o r whil e acc e le r ating
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`to th e pr es et s pe ed , t he s pe ed o f you r v ehi cl e ( displ aye d on
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`th e sp e edo me t e r )" - - th at 's t he a ctu al sp e ed -- "di f fe r s f ro m
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`th e p r ese t sp ee d (di spl a ye d on t he c en te r me s sa ge d isp la y) . "
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`S o th at 's yo ur pr es et s pe ed .
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`No w, this te ac hes, f i rst o f all , ac c el e rat ing t o th e
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`p re se t sp eed . The c lai m t a lk s ab out a cc el e rat ing abov e th e
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`p re se t sp eed . So i t do esn 't gi ve tha t exa ct s itu ati on f o r this
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`s ec ond po rt ion . Ho wev er , th at 's th e po rti on th at t he P at ent
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`Own e r a tta cks . Pa t ent Own e r do esn 't tal k ab o ut th is
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`r e spons e . Th e y don 't thin k it sh ould b e co mb in ed . B ut t he r e
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`a r e t wo di ff e ren t c ondi tion s whe n th e p re set spe ed wi ll b e
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`di f fe r ent t han th e a c tua l sp eed . And , as we in dic ate d a bov e , it
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`Wh e n you a re on v ehi cl e - to -ve hic le dis tan c e
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`do n' t ha ve to slow do wn , you a re a t th e cru is e co ntr ol s pe ed ,
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`i f you pu t on th e a c c ele r ato r and you wan t to g et a li ttl e bit
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`c los e r , thi s sa ys th at wh at ev er yo ur a ctu al spe ed will b e wi ll
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`b e di f fe r ent th an wh at i s sho wn . It wi ll st ill s ho w you r p r ese t
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`S o co mb in ed tog eth e r th es e do me e t the cl ai m
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`l i mi ta tion o f , fi rst , a cc el er at ing abov e th e p r ese t spe ed and
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`th en , whil e you ar e at tha t sp eed , yo u a ctu all y a r e st ill
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`sh o wing what ev er yo u s et as yo ur p re se t sp eed .
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`Ok a y. Th at was th e e nd o f th e f ir st insti tut ed
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`g roun ds . We th rew a c oupl e in t her e tha t a ctu al l y we r e in
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`so me o f th e oth e r g roun ds , 3 .
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`B ut no w we a re goi ng to tur n to inst itut ed g rou nd
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`2 . It i s an obvio usn ess co mb i nat ion b as ed on the Dia ma n t e
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`ma n u al in vi e w of th e Di a ma nt e Pre vi e w Dis tan c e Con tro l
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`ma n u al . We c a n di spos e o f thi s , I th ink , ra the r q uickl y.
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`F o r this , th e P at ent Owne r sp e ci fi ca ll y a r gu es for
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`th is co mb in ation th at , if yo u c an se e to wa rd the botto m o f th is
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`c it e , it sa ys : " Eve n i f su ch a co mb in at ion wer e ma de , thi s
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`un exp la ined co mbi na tion o f th e crui se con tro l s ys tem a n d th e
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`p re vi e w dis tan c e c ont rol s yst e m e mb o di me n ts in Dia ma n t e ."
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`S o , aga in , it is the sa me a r gu me n t th at we s a w,
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`wh e re t he y t hin k th e y a r e d if f er ent e mb o di me n ts , you ca n' t
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`p re vi e w dis tan c e c ont rol . So it is a ll t he s a me v eh ic l e . I t is
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`Gr ound 3 . We ma de a me n tion of th is g round is
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`b as ed on Dia ma n te in v ie w o f t he Wa t a na be re f er enc e , ag ain ,
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`a Mi tsub ishi d ocume n t . We ma d e a r e f er en ce to it . I wi ll ju st
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`po int t he Pa ne l to th e l ast lin e , th is is fi gur e 5 o f Wa t an ab e ,
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`sh o ws th e di f fe r ent wa ys yo u ca n op e ra te d ur ing this pr evi e w
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`di st anc e cont rol .
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`I wil l jus t poin t to t his l as t one fo r a mo me n t .
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`Th is is ro w 5 . Thi s is t he s itu ati on - - an d it i s de scr ib ed
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`h er e - - this is th e si tu ation whe r e yo u got t oo c los e to th e c ar .
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`And , in fa ct , i n th e on e a bov e it got so c los e th at a wa r ning
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`c a me o n . You 'v e b ee n co nt roll ed , i t ha s be en cont rol li ng i t to
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`sl o w it d o wn .
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`You ge t to th is po rti on h er e . Wh at h app en ed i s th e
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`d riv e r a ctu al l y b ra ke d , he put on th e b rak e , ca nc els th e cr uis e
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`c ont rol spe ed . You will n oti ce al l b ef or e cru is e wa s on . Tha t
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`c ru is e lig ht go es o f f , an d ev e r yth ing goe s of f . Th e v ehi cl e
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`is of f . Th e p re set s pe ed , ho wev e r , c ont inu es to b e th er e .
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`Th e Pa ten t Own er' s ar gu me nt fo r the co mb i na tion
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`a rg u me nt we k e ep s e ei ng : I f su ch a co mb i na tion we r e ma d e ,
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