Nonetheless, if we go back to slide 7, we see that this straightforward feature that gets very little attention in the '990 Patent itself becomes the focus of Immervision's arguments about why new Independent Claim 27 distinguishes the Baker and Shiota combination.
And this is what I'm talking about when I say if it was so well-known to be true, and it was a person of ordinary skill in the art would absolutely know that you need to always reverse the normalization using the actual image size, you think the Petitioner would find something similar to what Smith has here to show it.
And this is -- Shiota is a reference that Patent Owner addressed in the previous re-examination, and Petitioner, in our opinion, has not demonstrated that a person of ordinary skill in the art would have understood using the size L of the obtained image feature to be in this
Point being, when you interpret paragraph 23, it's not only natural, we believe it's necessary in light of what you've just heard from their expert, that you conclude with a circumstance where the data is normalized, and you expect to use it for real world applications which showed is not shy about saying and you put it into
So, ultimately without a document showing that it was known to be using the size of the image to back out a normalization, I think what it comes down to is the testimony of two experts, one who says a person of ordinary skill in the art will understand magnification adjustment in Shiota to mean this, and the other saying that's not how I would read it.