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`Case 1:20-cv-00393-LMB-TCB Document 1406-25 Filed 08/12/22 Page 2 of 4 PageID# 35141
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`REVISED AND CORRECTED TRANSCRIPT
`OPEN SESSIONS
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`UNITED STATES
`INTERNATIONAL TRADE COMMISSION
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`In the Matter of Investigation No.
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`CERTAIN TOBACCO HEATING ARTICLES 337-TA-1199
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`AND COMPONENTS THEREOF
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`Pages:
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`1099 through 1395 (with excerpts)
`Washington, D.C.
`January 29, 2021
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`HERITAGE REPORTING CORPORATION
`Official Reporters
`1220 L Street, N.W., Suite 206
`Washington, D.C. 20005
`(202) 628-4888
`contracts@hrccourtreporters.com
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`Case 1:20-cv-00393-LMB-TCB Document 1406-25 Filed 08/12/22 Page 3 of 4 PageID# 35142
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` 1 Is there any redirect for this witness?
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` 2 MR. REISER: Yes, Your Honor. I just have a
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` 3 couple of questions, please.
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` 4 JUDGE CHENEY: Sure, Mr. Reiser.
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` 5 MR. REISER: And I expect we will remain on the
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` 6 confidential record, although I think that perhaps depends
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` 7 on Dr. Arnold.
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` 8 JUDGE CHENEY: Okay. We're on the public record
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` 9 right now.
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` 10 MR. REISER: Correct. I think I said
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` 11 confidential record and I was mistaken. I apologize.
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` 12 JUDGE CHENEY: Okay. Please proceed.
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` 13 REDIRECT EXAMINATION
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` 14 BY MR. REISER:
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` 15 Q. Dr. Arnold, early in your cross-examination you
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` 16 were asked some questions about past and current market
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` 17 penetration by the IQOS product in the United States.
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` 18 Do you recall those questions and your answers?
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` 19 A. Yes.
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` 20 Q. Now, in determining the effect that a possible
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` 21 exclusion order would have, an exclusion order that
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` 22 excludes IQOS, is that data that you were asked about, is
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` 23 that the whole picture, in your view?
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` 24 A. It's not. What we're in the midst of is the
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` 25 initial rollout of IQOS, and unfortunately it was
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`Case 1:20-cv-00393-LMB-TCB Document 1406-25 Filed 08/12/22 Page 4 of 4 PageID# 35143
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` 1 interdicted by COVID problems, and the limitations on
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` 2 commercial activity.
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` 3 But if an exclusion is implemented, it would
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` 4 prevent -- it would result in IQOS not being rolled out
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` 5 across the rest of the country. It would result in IQOS
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` 6 not being available or, excuse me, the opposite direction.
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` 7 In the absence of an exclusion, I think it is
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` 8 reasonable to anticipate that COVID will come to an end and
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` 9 Congress will return and at that point, whether it is three
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` 10 months, six months or more, hopefully not, that at that
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` 11 point that Philip Morris would continue the rollout and
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` 12 expand the availability across the country much as it did
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` 13 in Japan, adding prefect after prefect.
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` 14 And through that process the entirety of the
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` 15 American population will have IQOS as an additional
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` 16 available alternative that cigarette smokers can use as an
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` 17 off-ramp from cigarette smoking to an alternative.
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` 18 Q. Just one other question, and this is kind of by
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` 19 way of clarification.
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` 20 Do you recall you were asked about the Actual
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` 21 Use Study?
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` 22 A. Yes.
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` 23 Q. What I would like you to do is just tell us your
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` 24 understanding of what the Actual Use Study was intending to
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` 25 measure; what was it looking to understand?
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