Case 5:19-cv-00036-RWS Document 136-13 Filed 11/18/19 Page 1 of 8 PageID #: 5849
`Case 5:19-cv-00036—RWS Document 136-13 Filed 11/18/19 Page 1 of 8 PageID #: 5849
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`EXHIBIT 13
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`Case 5:19-cv-00036—RWS Document 136-13 Filed 11/18/19 Page 1 of 8 PageID #: 5849
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`EXHIBIT 13
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`EXHIBIT 13
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`Case 5:19-cv-00036-RWS Document 136-13 Filed 11/18/19 Page 2 of 8 PageID #: 5850
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`In the Matter Of:
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`MAXELL VS
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`APPLE, |NC.,
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`[412) 732—9387
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`.MOIr'orie Peters
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`DANIEL MENASCE, PHD
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`November 01, 2019
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`COURT REPORTING
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`Marjorie Peters Court Reporting
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`Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
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`marjorie@marjoriepeters.com
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`Case 5:19-cv-00036-RWS Document 136-13 Filed 11/18/19 Page 3 of 8 PageID #: 5851
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`·1· · · · · ·IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
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`·2· · · · · · FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS
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`·3· · · · · · · · · ·TEXARKANA DIVISION
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`·5· MAXELL, LTD.,· · · · · · · · ·)
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`·6· · · · ·Plaintiff,· · · · · · ·)
`· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · )· Civil Action No.
`·7· · · · ·vs.· · · · · · · · · · )· 5:19-cv-00036-RWS
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`·8· APPLE, INC.,· · · · · · · · · )
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`·9· · · · ·Defendant.· · · · · · ·)
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`· · · ·VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF DANIEL A. MENASCE, PhD
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`· · · · · · ·Friday, November 1, 2019, 10:36 a.m.
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`14· · · · · · · · · O'Melveny & Myers LLP
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`15· · · · · · · · · · 1625 I Street, NW
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`16· · · · · · · · · · ·Washington, DC
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`22· Reported By: Marjorie Peters, FAPR, RMR, CRR
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`23· Job No:
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`Case 5:19-cv-00036-RWS Document 136-13 Filed 11/18/19 Page 4 of 8 PageID #: 5852
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`·1· · · · · DEPOSITION OF DANIEL A. MENASCE, PhD,
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`·2· a witness herein, called by the Plaintiff for
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`·3· examination, taken pursuant to the 26(a)(2) of the
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`·4· Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, P.R. 4-4, and the
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`·5· Court's Docket Control Order (Dkt. No. 46), by and
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`·6· before Marjorie Peters, FAPR, RMR, CRR, and Notary
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`·7· Public in and for the District of Columbia, at
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`·8· O'Melveny & Myers LLP, 1625 I Street, NW,
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`·9· Washington, DC, on Friday, November 1, 2019, at
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`Case 5:19-cv-00036-RWS Document 136-13 Filed 11/18/19 Page 5 of 8 PageID #: 5853
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`·1· · · · · · · · · A P P E A R A N C E S
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`·2· For the Plaintiff:
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`·3· · ·William J. Barrow, Esquire
`· · · ·MAYER BROWN LLP
`·4· · ·1999 K Street NW
`· · · ·Washington, DC 20006
`·5· · ·wbarrow@mayerbrown.com
`· · · ·202.263.3154
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`·7· For the Defendant:
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`·8· · ·Xin-Yi (Vincent) Zhou, Esquire
`· · · ·O'MELVENY & MYERS, LLP
`·9· · ·400 South Hope Street
`· · · ·18th Floor
`10· · ·Los Angeles, CA 90071
`· · · ·vzhou@omm.com
`11· · ·213.430.7576
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`12· · Brad Berg, Esquire
`· · · O'MELVENY & MYERS, LLP
`13· · 610 Newport Center Drive
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`14· · Newport Beach, CA 92660
`· · · Bmberg@omm.com
`15· · 949.823.6937
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`16· ALSO PRESENT:
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`17· Clark S. Bakewell, Associate, MAYER BROWN LLP
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`18· · · · · · Merinda Evans, Legal Videographer
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`Case 5:19-cv-00036-RWS Document 136-13 Filed 11/18/19 Page 6 of 8 PageID #: 5854
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`·1· input; right?
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`·2· · · · · · · · · MR. ZHOU:· Objection to scope and
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`·3· objection to form.
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`·4· · · ·A.· · ·Well, it's -- at the time we had -- a
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`·5· person of ordinary skill in the art at that time
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`·6· would probably not have touch screens.· Touch
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`·7· screens, I believe, were not that prevalent at the
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`·8· time of the '438 patent.
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`·9· · · · · · · · · So, if you told that person that
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`10· touch screen is an input device, they may not have
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`11· understood that properly.
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`12· · · ·Q.· · ·Right.
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`13· · · · · · · · · What about a keyboard?
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`14· · · ·A.· · ·Keyboard, that's an example.
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`15· · · ·Q.· · ·What about a mouse?
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`16· · · ·A.· · ·That's another example --
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`17· · · ·Q.· · ·Voice recognition?
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`18· · · ·A.· · ·-- of an input device.
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`19· · · ·Q.· · ·Voice recognition?
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`20· · · ·A.· · ·Voice recognition.· That's another
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`21· example.
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`22· · · ·Q.· · ·So you're aware of a number of different
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`23· types of structures that could qualify as inputs
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`24· depending on the application?
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`25· · · ·A.· · ·Yes.· In fact there's a wide variety of
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`·1· · · · · · · · · If the specification had said
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`·2· something like, adding a comment or making a comment
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`·3· instead of writing a comment, would your opinion on
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`·4· the proper construction for adding a comment to
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`·5· contribute to data be different?
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`·6· · · ·A.· · ·Well, I have not analyzed that, because
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`·7· you're -- you're giving me a hypothetical, which is
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`·8· based on something that's not in the specification.
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`·9· And I would have to look into that.
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`10· · · ·Q.· · ·I think you said before that a lay
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`11· person wouldn't necessarily understand a comment to
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`12· be limited to written comments; right?
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`13· · · ·A.· · ·Without getting to the context of this,
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`14· right.· But comment here has a very well defined
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`15· meaning.
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`16· · · ·Q.· · ·Right.· I'm asking the guy on the
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`17· street.· Someone comes up to you, as I'm sure they
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`18· always do, and says, Dr. Menasce, what does comment
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`19· mean.· You wouldn't tell them that it has to be
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`20· written; right?
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`21· · · ·A.· · ·I would say comment in which context.
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`22· That would be my answer.
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`23· · · ·Q.· · ·Right.· And you would only respond that
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`24· it must be written if there's some type of
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`25· indication that it must be written; right?
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`·1· structures that could qualify, including eye
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`·2· movement recognition and many others.
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`·3· · · ·Q.· · ·Right.· And in Paragraph 79 of your
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`·4· report, you provide a number of examples of input
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`·5· units; right?
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`·6· · · ·A.· · ·Just a second, please.
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`·7· · · ·Q.· · ·Sure.
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`·8· · · ·A.· · ·Let me read the paragraph.
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`·9· · · ·Q.· · ·Sure.· And then the sentence that I'm
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`10· referring to is the third sentence in Paragraph 79.
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`11· · · ·A.· · ·Okay.
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`12· · · · · · · · · Okay.· I have read it.
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`13· · · ·Q.· · ·Did you have to do any special research
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`14· to come up with these examples of input units?
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`15· · · ·A.· · ·No.· These are examples that I know
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`16· about based on my experience.
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`17· · · ·Q.· · ·Right.· And a person of ordinary skill
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`18· would also have been aware of these potential --
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`19· · · ·A.· · ·At least some of them, yes.· Yes.
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`20· · · ·Q.· · ·Right.· And you state that some might be
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`21· more appropriate than others depending on the
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`22· application or the device or product that you're
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`23· talking about; right?
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`24· · · ·A.· · ·Right.· Some inputs are more appropriate
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`25· to some applications than others, yes.
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