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` IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
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` FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS
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` MARSHALL DIVISION
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`AGIS SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT )
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`LLC, )
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` Plaintiff, )
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`v. ) Case No.
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` ) 2:19-cv-361-JRG
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`GOOGLE LLC, )
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` Defendants. )
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` VIDEOTAPED REMOTE DEPOSITION VIA ZOOM OF:
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` EXPERT JOSEPH COLBY MCALEXANDER III
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` TUESDAY, DECEMBER 22, 2020
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` 10:14 A.M. CENTRAL TIME
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` Reported by: PAULA A. PYBURN
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` CSR 7304, RPR, CLR
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` Job No. 4367852
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` Pages 1-150 and 160-284
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` VIDEOTAPED REMOTE DEPOSITION VIA ZOOM OF
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` EXPERT JOSEPH COLBY MCALEXANDER III, the witness,
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` taken on behalf of DEFENDANTS, on Tuesday,
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` December 22, 2020, 10:14 a.m. Central Time, before
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` PAULA A. PYBURN, CSR 7304, RPR, CLR.
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` APPEARANCES OF COUNSEL VIA VIDEOCONFERENCE:
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` FOR PLAINTIFF AND THE WITNESS:
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` FABRICANT LLP
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` BY: ENRIQUE ITURRALDE, ESQ
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` 230 Park Ave, 3FLW
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` New York, New York 10169
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` 646.797.4361
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` eiturralde@fabricantllp.com
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` I N D E X
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` WITNESS EXAMINATION PAGE
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` Exhibit 1 77 Rebuttal Expert Report of
` Joseph C. McAlexander III
` Regarding Validity, Dated
` December 9, 2020
` Exhibit 2 96 Expert Report of Joseph C.
` McAlexander III Regarding
` Infringement
` Exhibit 3 117 Google's Response to
` Plaintiff's Second Set of
` Interrogatories, No. 13
` Through 19
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` Exhibit 4 128 Rebuttal Expert Report of
` Dr. Andrew Wolfe Regarding
` Non-Infringement
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` Exhibit 5 151 Attachment B to
` McAlexander's Infringement
` Report
` Exhibit 6 155 LocationCategoryPresenter.
` java,
` GOOG-AGIS-SCR0000088 -
` GOOG-AGIS-SRC0000091
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` Exhibit 7 160 Google Maps Tracking
` Study - Wave 5,
` GOOG-AGIS-00048627 -
` GOOG-AGIS-00048701
` Exhibit 8 162 Google Maps Tracking
` Study - Wave 5,
` WAZE-AGIS-00027372 -
` WAZE-AGIS-00027448
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` Exhibit 9 173 Attachment C to McAlexander
` Infringement Report
` Exhibit 10 178 Attachment A to McAlexander
` Infringement Report
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` Exhibit 11 180 Attachment A to McAlexander
` Waze Infringement Report
` Exhibit 12 204 U.S. Patent 7,630,724
` Exhibit 13 224 Comparison of '724 vs. '042
` Exhibit 14 239 '410 Application,
` AGIS200002257 -
` AGIS200002314
` Exhibit 15 245 Attachment A to McAlexander
` Validity Rebuttal
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` Exhibit 16 265 Kubala Patent Application,
` DEFS_AGIS_PA_CC_0006642 -
` DEFS_AGIS_PA_CC_0006658
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` Exhibit 17 277 Screenshot of Waze Play
` Store Page
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` Exhibit 18 281 Screenshot of Waze Carpool
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` Play Store Page
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` letter alleged infringement by Google of any of the 12:14:47
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` asserted patents? 12:14:50
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` A Based on the fact -- 12:14:51
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` MR. ITURRALDE: Objection to form. 12:14:51
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` THE WITNESS: -- that there was no DJ filed 12:14:51
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` that I'm aware of, I would say the probability is 12:14:55
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` they did not assert infringement. 12:14:57
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` Q You can put that report to the side. 12:15:00
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` Earlier today you mentioned that you were 12:15:02
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` So, specifically, what meaning would be 12:15:20
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` MR. ITURRALDE: Objection to form. 12:15:29
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` THE WITNESS: What term would one 12:15:34
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` BY MR. ALMELING: 12:15:40
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` Q Actually, let me revise the question. 12:15:41
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` MR. ITURRALDE: Objection. Form. 12:15:49
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` THE WITNESS: I mean, when I look at the 12:15:55
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` MR. ITURRALDE: Objection to form. 12:16:18
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` THE WITNESS: Say that again, please. 12:16:21
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` MR. ITURRALDE: Objection. Form. 12:16:50
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` THE WITNESS: In other words, command. 12:16:51
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` Take command, take control. 12:16:55
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` BY MR. ALMELING: 12:16:57
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` Q What understanding of the term 12:16:58
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` MR. ITURRALDE: Objection to form. 12:17:05
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` THE WITNESS: I used the word "user." 12:17:06
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` A Icon. 12:17:23
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` MR. ITURRALDE: Objection to form. 12:17:26
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` BY MR. ALMELING: 12:17:28
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` MR. ITURRALDE: Objection to form. 12:17:36
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` THE WITNESS: Accessible for choice. 12:17:37
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` BY MR. ALMELING: 12:17:44
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` What understanding of the term "a response 12:18:00
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` list" did you apply in your analysis in this case? 12:18:02
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` MR. ITURRALDE: Objection to form. 12:18:10
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` STATE OF CALIFORNIA )
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` COUNTY OF RIVERSIDE ) ss.
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` I, Paula A. Pyburn, CSR No. 7304, RPR, CLR, in
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` and for the State of California, do hereby certify:
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` I am the deposition officer that
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` stenographically recorded the testimony in the
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` foregoing deposition;
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` Prior to being examined the deponent was first
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` The foregoing transcript is a true record of the
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` testimony given.
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` Before completion of the deposition, review of
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` the transcript [ ] was [xx] was not requested. If
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` Dated: December 24, 2020
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` <%7141,Signature%>
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