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`DR. NEIL G. SIEGEL - 11/14/2018DR. NEIL G. SIEGEL - 11/14/2018
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`·1· · · · · · IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
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`·2· · · · · · ·FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS
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`·3· · · · · · · · · · ·MARSHALL DIVISION
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`·5· ·AGIS SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT LLC,· · )
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`· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·) Case No.
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`·8· ·HTC CORPORATION,· · · · · · · · · )
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`14· · · · · · · DEPOSITION OF DR. NEIL SIEGEL
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`24· ·Reported by:· PHILIP D. NORRIS
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`·1· · · · · · Deposition of Dr. Neil Siegel, taken on
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`·2· ·behalf of Defendants, at 3635 Fashion Way, Torrance,
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`·3· ·California, on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, at 4:51
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`·4· ·p.m., before Philip D. Norris, CSR No. 4980,
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`·1· · · · · · · ·IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
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`·5· ·AGIS SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT LLC,· · )
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`·8· ·LG ELECTRONICS, INC.,· · · · · · ·)
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`·5· ·pursuant to Notice.
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`·7· ·APPEARANCES:
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`·8· ·FOR THE PLAINTIFF:
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`·9· · · · · · BROWN RUDNICK
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`10· · · · · · BY:· VINCENT RUBINO, ESQ.
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`11· · · · · · · · ·ENRIQUE W. ITURRALDE, ESQ.
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`12· · · · · · 7 Times Square
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`13· · · · · · New York, New York 10036
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`14· · · · · · (212) 209-4800
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`15· · · · · · Email:· Vrubino@brownrudnick.com
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`16· · · · · · · · · · Eiturralde@brownrudnick.com
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`17· ·FOR THE DEFENDANT APPLE, INC.:
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`18· · · · · · DESMARAIS, LLP
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`19· · · · · · BY:· KATHRYN BI, ESQ.
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`20· · · · · · · · ·AMEET A. MODI, ESQ.
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`21· · · · · · 230 Park Avenue
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`22· · · · · · New York, New York 10169
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`·3· ·WITNESS· · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION· · · · · · · ·PAGE
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`14· · · · · · Los Angeles, California 90017
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`16· · · · · · Email:· Justin.chi@arnoldporter.com
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`·1· · ·TORRANCE, CALIFORNIA; WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 14, 2018
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`·6· ·No. 1 in the deposition of Dr. Neil Siegel, in the
`·7· ·matter of AGIS Software Development LLC versus HTC
`·8· ·Corporation, in the United States District Court,
`·9· ·for the Eastern District of Texas.· Case No.
`10· ·2:17-cv-00514 JRG, consolidated with 2:17-cv-0515
`11· ·JRG.· Today's date is November 14th, 2018.· The time
`12· ·on the video monitor is 4:51 p.m.· The video
`13· ·operator today is Renee Mayfield.· This video
`14· ·deposition is taking place at 3635 Fashion Way,
`15· ·Torrance, California 90503.
`16· · · · · · Counsel, please voice identify yourselves
`17· ·and state whom you represent.
`18· · · · · · MR. BOMBACH:· Miguel Bombach on behalf of
`19· ·HTC Corporation from Perkins Coie.
`20· · · · · · MR. CHI:· Justin Chi from Arnold & Porter
`21· ·representing LG Electronics, Inc.
`22· · · · · · MS. BI:· Kathryn Bi, Desmarais LLP, on
`23· ·behalf of the witness.· With me is Ameet Modi,
`24· ·Desmarais LLP, also on behalf of the witness.
`25· · · · · · MR. RUBINO:· Vincent Rubino from the law
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`·1· ·firm of Brown Rudnick.· Also with me from the law
`·2· ·firm of Brown Rudnick is Enrique Iturralde.
`·3· · · · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· The court reporter today
`·4· ·is Philip Norris of Epiq Court Reporters.
`·5· · · · · · Would the reporter please swear in the
`·6· ·witness.
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`·9· · · · · · ·having been first duly sworn, was
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`15· · · · Q.· Thank you for your time, Dr. Siegel. I
`16· ·know you just spoke, you were asked a few questions
`17· ·in another matter a few hours ago.· It was AGIS
`18· ·versus Apple.· I have a few questions for a separate
`19· ·matter where AGIS has sued HTC Corporation and LG
`20· ·Electronics.
`21· · · · · · In the AGIS versus Apple case you provided
`22· ·testimony.· Rather than rehash everything, you
`23· ·testified truthfully; correct?
`24· · · · A.· Yes, sir.
`25· · · · · · MR. RUBINO:· Object to form.
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`·1· ·BY MR. BOMBACH:
`·2· · · · Q.· Now, you provided an expert report for
`·3· ·Apple in the AGIS v Apple case; correct?
`·4· · · · A.· That is correct.
`·5· · · · Q.· That was previously marked as Exhibit 1 in
`·6· ·the AGIS v Apple case.
`·7· · · · · · Do you guys object to me pulling the
`·8· ·Exhibit 1?· Can I have Exhibit 1 from the AGIS v
`·9· ·Apple case to --
`10· · · · · · MR. RUBINO:· We have no objection.
`11· · · · · · MR. BOMBACH:· -- to provide to Dr. Siegel?
`12· ·Or do you still have?
`13· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· This is my copy, I think.
`14· · · · · · Yes, sir, I now have the item marked as
`15· ·Exhibit 1 if front of me.
`16· ·BY MR. BOMBACH:
`17· · · · Q.· And in Exhibit 1 you cited numerous items
`18· ·bearing Bates label stamps SIEGEL and APL-AGIS;
`19· ·correct?
`20· · · · A.· Yes, sir.
`21· · · · Q.· Did you review the items identified in
`22· ·Exhibit 1 that are Bates labeled SIEGEL and APL-
`23· ·AGIS?
`24· · · · · · MR. RUBINO:· Objection, form.
`25· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· Yes.
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`·1· ·BY MR. BOMBACH:
`·2· · · · Q.· Did you review the pages of the items
`·3· ·labeled SIEGEL and APL-AGIS that you had cited to in
`·4· ·the body of your report?
`·5· · · · A.· Yes.
`·6· · · · · · MR. RUBINO:· Objection to the form,
`·7· ·leading.
`·8· ·BY MR. BOMBACH:
`·9· · · · Q.· Do you have any reason to believe that the
`10· ·items you cited to in Exhibit 1 are fakes?
`11· · · · · · MR. RUBINO:· Objection to form, leading.
`12· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· No, sir.
`13· ·BY MR. BOMBACH:
`14· · · · Q.· Do you have any reason to believe that
`15· ·anything you reviewed and cited to in Exhibit 1 was
`16· ·not authentic or was in any way doctored?
`17· · · · · · MR. RUBINO:· Objection to form, leading.
`18· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· No, sir.
`19· ·BY MR. BOMBACH:
`20· · · · Q.· Is your basis for stating this based on
`21· ·your personal knowledge and experience with the
`22· ·FBCB2 system described in Exhibit 1?
`23· · · · · · MR. RUBINO:· Objection to form, leading.
`24· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· I'm sorry, could you repeat
`25· ·that?
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`·2· · · · Q.· Oh, your basis for stating -- prior to my
`·3· ·previous questions, you stated that you had no
`·4· ·reason to believe that any of the documents you
`·5· ·cited were fake or doctored; correct?
`·6· · · · · · MR. RUBINO:· Objection, form leading.
`·7· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· Yes.
`·8· ·BY MR. BOMBACH:
`·9· · · · Q.· Is your basis for stating this based on
`10· ·your personal knowledge with the FBCB2 system?
`11· · · · · · MR. RUBINO:· Objection, form, leading.
`12· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· Yes, sir.
`13· ·BY MR. BOMBACH:
`14· · · · Q.· If you could please turn to paragraph 56 of
`15· ·Exhibit 1.
`16· · · · A.· Yes, sir.
`17· · · · Q.· Can you please briefly read that to
`18· ·yourself?· And let me know when you're okay.
`19· · · · A.· I've completed reading paragraph 56.
`20· · · · Q.· Does your expert report marked as Exhibit 1
`21· ·accurately describe the FBCB2 system as it existed
`22· ·in use by others prior to September 20th, 2004?
`23· · · · · · MR. RUBINO:· Objection to form, leading.
`24· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· Yes.
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`·2· · · · Q.· Does your expert report marked as Exhibit 1
`·3· ·accurately represent certain facts surrounding the
`·4· ·FBCB2 system as it existed prior to September 20th,
`·5· ·2004?
`·6· · · · · · MR. RUBINO:· Objection to form, leading.
`·7· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· Yes, it did.
`·8· ·BY MR. BOMBACH:
`·9· · · · Q.· Does your expert report marked as Exhibit 1
`10· ·represent your independent opinion?
`11· · · · · · MR. RUBINO:· Objection to form, leading.
`12· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· Yes.
`13· ·BY MR. BOMBACH:
`14· · · · Q.· And in Exhibit 1 you analyzed particular
`15· ·claims; correct?
`16· · · · · · MR. RUBINO:· Objection to form.
`17· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· Yes.
`18· ·BY MR. BOMBACH:
`19· · · · Q.· And was this -- and you're -- on the cover
`20· ·of Exhibit 1, this was in conjunction with the AGIS
`21· ·v Apple case; correct?
`22· · · · · · MR. RUBINO:· Objection to form.
`23· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· Yes.
`24· ·BY MR. BOMBACH:
`25· · · · Q.· And I represent HTC Corporation in a
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`·1· ·separate matter; you understand that?
`·2· · · · A.· I understand that, sir.
`·3· · · · Q.· You did not analyze every single claim of
`·4· ·U.S. Patent No. 8 -- and I apologize, I'm going to
`·5· ·list them out: 8,213,970, U.S. Patent No. 9,408,055,
`·6· ·U.S. patent No. 9,445,251 or U.S. Patent No.
`·7· ·9,467,838?· You did not analyze all claims of those
`·8· ·patents in your report; correct?
`·9· · · · · · MR. RUBINO:· Objection to form.
`10· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· Let me state it very clearly.
`11· ·There were four patents --
`12· · · · · · MR. BOMBACH:· Yes.
`13· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· -- that I analyzed, last
`14· ·three digits were '838, '829, '055 and '251, and I
`15· ·analyzed a subset of the claims that I was asked to
`16· ·analyze.
`17· ·BY MR. BOMBACH:
`18· · · · Q.· Was the scope of your work limited to the
`19· ·certain claims you analyzed -- the certain subset of
`20· ·claims you analyzed and discussed in your report?
`21· · · · A.· Right.· That is what -- that is the scope
`22· ·and the extent of my analysis that is described in
`23· ·this report.
`24· · · · · · MR. BOMBACH:· I have no further questions.
`25· ·Thank you.
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`·2· · · · · · MR. RUBINO:· No questions from AGIS.
`·3· · · · · · MS. BI:· No questions from Apple.
`·4· · · · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· This marks the end of
`·5· ·Volume I, Videotape No. 1 Kin the deposition of
`·6· ·Dr. Neil Siegel.
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`·7· ·deposition and know the contents thereof, and I
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`12· · · · · · The foregoing transcript is a true record
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`13· ·under the law of the United States that the
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