Case 2:17-cv-00513-JRG Document 286-2 Filed 01/14/19 Page 1 of 6 PageID #: 18801
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`Case 2:17-cv-00513-JRG Document 286-2 Filed 01/14/19 Page 1 of 6 PageID #: 18801
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`Case 2:17-cv-00513-JRG Document 286-2 Filed 01/14/19 Page 2 of 6 PageID #: 18802
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`DR. NEIL G. SIEGEL - 11/14/2018DR. NEIL G. SIEGEL - 11/14/2018
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`·1· · · · · · · ·UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
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`·2· · · · · · · CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
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`·4· ·AGIS SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT LLC,· · )
`· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·) Civil Action No.
`·5· · · · · · · · · · ·Plaintiff,· · · ) 2:17-cv-513-JRG
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`·6· · · · · · · vs.· · · · · · · · · · ) Civil Action No.
`· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·) 2:17-cv-516-JRG
`·7· ·APPLE, INC.,· · · · · · · · · · · ) Pages 1 to 237
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`14· · · · · · ·DEPOSITION OF DR. NEIL G. SIEGEL
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`15· · · · · · · · · · · · ·TAKEN ON
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`16· · · · · · · ·WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 14, 2018
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`24· ·Reported by:· PHILIP D. NORRIS
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`25· · · · · · · · ·CSR NO. 4980
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`Case 2:17-cv-00513-JRG Document 286-2 Filed 01/14/19 Page 3 of 6 PageID #: 18803
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`DR. NEIL G. SIEGEL - 11/14/2018DR. NEIL G. SIEGEL - 11/14/2018
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`·1· · · · · · Deposition of Dr. Neil G. Siegel, taken on
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`·2· ·behalf of Plaintiff, at 3635 Fashion Way, Torrance,
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`·3· ·California, on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, at 9:23
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`·4· ·a.m., before Philip D. Norris, CSR No. 4980,
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`·5· ·pursuant to Notice.
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`·7· ·APPEARANCES:
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`·9· ·FOR THE PLAINTIFF:
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`10· · · · · · BROWN RUDNICK
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`11· · · · · · BY:· VINCENT RUBINO, ESQ.
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`12· · · · · · · · ·ENRIQUE W. ITURRALDE, ESQ.
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`13· · · · · · 7 Times Square
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`14· · · · · · New York, New York 10036
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`15· · · · · · (212) 209-4800
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`16· · · · · · Email:· Vrubino@brownrudnick.com
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`17· · · · · · · · · · Eiturralde@brownrudnick.com
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`18· ·FOR THE DEFENDANT APPLE, INC.:
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`19· · · · · · DESMARAIS, LLP
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`20· · · · · · BY:· KATHRYN BI, ESQ.
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`21· · · · · · · · ·AMEET A. MODI, ESQ.
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`22· · · · · · 230 Park Avenue
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`23· · · · · · New York, New York 10169
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`24· · · · · · (212) 351-3406
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`25· · · · · · Email:· Amodi@desmaraisllp.com
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`DR. NEIL G. SIEGEL - 11/14/2018DR. NEIL G. SIEGEL - 11/14/2018
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`·1· ·APPEARANCES:
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`·3· ·FOR THE DEFENDANT HTC CORPORATION:
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`·4· · · · · · PERKINS COIE
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`·5· · · · · · BY:· MIGUEL J. BOMBACH, ESQ.
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`·6· · · · · · 11988 El Camino Real, Suite 350
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`·7· · · · · · San Diego, California 92130
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`·8· · · · · · Email:· Mbombach@perkinscoie.com
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`·9· ·FOR THE DEFENDANT LG ELECTRONICS:
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`10· · · · · · ARNOLD & PORTER
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`11· · · · · · BY:· JUSTIN J. CHI, ESQ.
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`12· · · · · · 777 South Figueroa Street, 44th Floor
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`13· · · · · · Los Angeles, California 90017
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`14· · · · · · (213) 243-4030
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`15· · · · · · Email: Justin.chi@arnoldporter.com
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`16· ·ALSO PRESENT:
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`17· · · · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· RENEE MAYFIELD
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`DR. NEIL G. SIEGEL - 11/14/2018DR. NEIL G. SIEGEL - 11/14/2018
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`·1· · · · Q.· And so is your analysis based on -- well,
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`·2· ·let me back up a second.
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`·3· · · · · · Do you have an understanding as to what 35
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`·4· ·USC 102 means?
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`·5· · · · A.· Yes, sir.· It's right here in my report.
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`·6· ·Let me find the paragraph for you.
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`·7· · · · Q.· I have a specific question about it, so if
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`·8· ·you have a general understanding --
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`·9· · · · A.· Yes.· Go ahead.
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`10· · · · Q.· You understand there's specific sections in
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`11· ·35 USC 102; right?
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`12· · · · · · MS. BI:· Objection to form.
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`13· ·BY MR. RUBINO:
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`14· · · · Q.· 102 (a), b, c, d, e, f, g; right?
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`15· · · · A.· Yes, I specifically -- I understand that
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`16· ·there's a Section 102 (a) and a 102 (b) in 35 USC.
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`17· · · · Q.· So do you have an understanding as to
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`18· ·whether your report pertains to 102 (a) or 102 (b),
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`19· ·or both?
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`20· · · · · · MS. BI:· Objection to form.
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`21· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· So I looked at both of those,
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`22· ·those paragraphs, and I believe that I determined
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`23· ·that -- I'm going to read from the --
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`24· ·BY MR. RUBINO:
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`25· · · · Q.· I can ask you some other questions about
`25· · · · Q.· I can ask you some other questions about
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`DR. NEIL G. SIEGEL - 11/14/2018DR. NEIL G. SIEGEL - 11/14/2018
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`·1· ·the rest of the paragraphs first, but you've at·1· ·the rest of the paragraphs first, but you've at
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`·2· ·least -- you've at least made some kind of
`·2· ·least -- you've at least made some kind of
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`·3· ·determination about 102 (a) and (b); right?
`·3· ·determination about 102 (a) and (b); right?
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`·4· · · · A.· Absolutely.
`·4· · · · A.· Absolutely.
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`·5· · · · Q.· Did you make any determination about 102
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`·6· ·(f)?
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`·7· · · · · · MS. BI:· Objection to form.
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`·8· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· I do not think so.
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`·9· ·BY MR. RUBINO:
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`10· · · · Q.· How about 102 (g)?
`10· · · · Q.· How about 102 (g)?
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`11· · · · A.· No.· My -- my analysis was focused on 102
`11· · · · A.· No.· My -- my analysis was focused on 102
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`12· ·(a) and 102 (b).
`12· ·(a) and 102 (b).
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`13· · · · Q.· And so --
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`14· · · · A.· And perhaps (e), too.· But 102 (a) and 102
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`15· ·(b), especially the parts where I'm talking about
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`16· ·FBCB2.
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`17· · · · Q.· Okay.· So with regard to 102 (e), you said
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`18· ·there might be some 102 (e).· Do you understand that
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`19· ·for 102 (e) there has to be a patent application
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`20· ·that you've considered?
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`21· · · · · · MS. BI:· Objection to form.
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`22· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· Has to be a patent granted
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`23· ·and -- and I cited, as you discussed earlier, four
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`24· ·or five patents that had my own name on it.
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