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`Paper No. 34
`Entered: December 30, 2022
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`UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
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`BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`RICETEC, INC.,
`Petitioner,
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`v.
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`BASF SE,
`Patent Owner.
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`PGR2021-00113 (Patent 11,096,345 B2)
`PGR2021-00114 (Patent 11,096,346 B2)
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`Record of Oral Hearing
`Held: December 13, 2022
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`Before ULRIKE W. JENKS, TINA E. HULSE, and
`ROBERT A. POLLOCK, Administrative Patent Judges.
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`PGR2021-00113 (Patent 11,096,345 B2)
`PGR2021-00114 (Patent 11,096,346 B2)
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`APPEARANCES:
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`ON BEHALF OF THE PETITIONER:
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`GERARD NORTON, ESQ.
`RYAN MILLER, ESQ.
`HOWARD S. SUH, ESQ.
`Fox Rothschild, LLP
`Princeton Pike Corporate Center
`997 Lenox Drive
`Lawrenceville, New Jersey 08648
`(609) 896-3600 (Norton)
`gnorton@foxrothschild.com
`rmiller@foxrothschild.com
`hsuh@foxrothschild.com
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`ON BEHALF OF THE PATENT OWNER:
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`RICHARD McCORMICK, ESQ.
`YANG-ZI YANG, ESQ.
`LISA FERRI, ESQ.
`Mayer Brown, LLP
`1221 Avenue of the Americas
`New York, New York 10020
`212-506-2382 (McCormick)
`rmccormich@mayerbrown.com
`yyang@mayerbrown.com
`astreff@mayerbrown.com
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`The above-entitled matter came on for hearing on Tuesday,
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`December 13, 2022, commencing at 1:00 p.m. EDT, via Video-conference.
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`USHER: Good afternoon. You are here for PGR 2021-00113 and 114
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`with Judge Hulse, Jenks and Pollock. Our IT person is a man and he will be
`here to assist us with any technical issues that we have.
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`Please speak loud and clear when it's your turn to speak so that the
`court reporter can hear you. After the hearing is over please stay on the line
`because the court reporter might have questions about spellings. Thank you
`and have a great day.
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`JUDGE HULSE: Good morning, everyone. I'm Judge Hulse. With
`me online are Judges Jenks and Pollock. Unfortunately, Judge Pollock is
`unable to appear by video today, but we assure you he's there and he can hear
`and he can see you. This a consolidated final hearing in PGR2021-00113
`and PGR2021-00114.
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`I'd like to start with appearances, please, starting with Petitioner.
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`MR. NORTON: Yes. Judges Jenks, Hulse and Pollock, this Gerard
`Norton from Fox Rothchild representing the Petitioner RiceTec. And with
`me I have my partners Howard Suh and Ryan Miller.
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`JUDGE HULSE: Welcome.
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`And for Patent Owners?
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`MR. McCORMICK: Yeah, good afternoon, Your Honors. Richard
`McCormick from the Mayer Brown law firm representing Patent Owner
`BASF. I have with me today Lisa Ferri and Yang-zi Yang from my firm as
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`JUDGE HULSE: Great, thank you. Welcome everyone. As we stated
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`in our hearing order, each party will have 60 minutes of time to present their
`arguments. We'll start with Petitioner and then hear Patent Owner's response.
` And then assuming both parties reserve time, we'll hear Petitioner's rebuttal
`and finally Patent Owner's surrebuttal.
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`Please remember to be explicit when you're referring to any slides on
`the screen so that our transcript is clear. I'll be timing you and we'll give you
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`MR. NORTON: No.
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`MR. McCORMICK: No thank you.
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`JUDGE HULSE: All right. Thanks.
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`MR. SUH: And, Your Honor -- I'm sorry. And, Your Honor, this
`Howard Suh on behalf of Petitioners. I will be arguing, and good morning or
`good afternoon depending on where the judges are. I'd like to start by
`sharing the screen with respect to some slides that we prepared.
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`JUDGE HULSE: Great. And, Mr. Suh, will you be reserving any
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`MR. SUH: I will. I will be reserving five minutes if that's
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`appropriate?
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`JUDGE HULSE: Okay. You may begin.
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`MR. SUH: Now, can anyone -- can -- I just want to make sure can
`everyone see the slide that's on on the screen?
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`JUDGE HULSE: Yes, yes.
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`MR. SUH: Okay, good. So, Your Honors, I just want to put some
`perspective and background with respect to these particular proceedings.
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`Last August when Petitioner filed its petitions for cancellation of the
`challenged claims it raised five particular grounds.
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`Ground one was the lack of written description. Ground two was the
`lack of enablement. Ground three was anticipation based upon prior art,
`which was actually RiceTec's prior published applications the Hinga and the
`Hinga2013 publications. And grounds four and five were to obviousness
`based upon the combination of the Hinga references and other prior art
`references.
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`Now, Patent Owners' response in these proceedings were that they
`failed to substantively address any of these particular grounds. They had six
`opportunities to do so, including their preliminary response, their surreply to
`their preliminary response. They submitted a declaration by one expert, Dr.
`Burgos. They formally put in their actual response after the Board actually
`instituted these proceedings. And then they submitted another expert's
`declaration replacing Dr. Burgos, and finally they put in another surreply.
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`And in all those papers they did not substantively address any of the
`particular grounds. Instead, they chose to actually focus only on the grounds
`of standing, namely that the challenged claims are not PGR eligible because
`they are entitled to the filing date of their parent CIP Mankin Line. So
`therefore, based upon that and the way that the issues have been framed in
`these proceedings, there's really essentially a single issue for the PTAB to
`decide, and that is a priority issue.
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`Are the challenged claims adequately described and enabled by the
`Mankin CIP parent application? And the reason why I emphasize describe
`and enabled is because in order to prove priority Patent Owner has to prove
`both written description and enablement.
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`So this the standard for the grounds of standing in order for challenged
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`claims to become eligible for PGR. Priority has to be shown by proving that
`the earlier applications both have a written description and that there's
`enablement of the challenged claims.
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`But conversely, when it is Petitioner's burden to actually show that the
`prior applications do not -- are not entitled to an earlier priority date because
`there are two requirements, written description and enablement, the Petitioner
`only has to show that either written description or enablement is not satisfied.
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`Now, we believe that in our papers that we actually satisfied both
`requirements, but the reason why this becomes important is because Patent
`Owner in all of their papers actually only addressed the written description
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`So Slide 7, I apologize if I did not explicitly put in the earlier slides'
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`numbers, but again, this is pictorially showing the grounds of standing with
`respect to the prior parent applications, right? So it was Petitioner's burden
`to show that the challenged claims were not entitled to the filing date of
`something called the Neuteboom PCT line. That's over to the left. And that
`the challenged claims are not entitled to something called the Mankin PCT or
`780 application line. And that's over to the right.
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`Through the course of the papers Patent Owner has actually dropped
`its priority argument with respect to the Neuteboom line, so it is now only
`relying upon of what we've been calling the Mankin PCT application line.
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`Now, Slide 8 is a word-for-word recreation of Claim 1 of the '345
`patent. It's a very long claim. I'm not going to be spending time going
`through every single word of the claim, and I do have a slide later in the
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`presentation which summarizes the requirements of the slide where some of
`these bold elements have come into play.
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`But I just want to remind the Board that when we're talking about
`these particular elements, all these elements in order to show an adequate
`written description or enablement, these elements all have to be treated as an
`integrated whole. In other words, you know, Patent Owner cannot just show
`enablement or written description of just one part of the claim, right? It has
`to show that there is written description and enablement support based upon
`everything within the claim working together.
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`This is Claim 1 of the '346 patent, which is Slide 9, and Slide 10
`actually presents the claim construction issues in the case as they were
`presented by Petitioner and recognized by the institution decision. So there is
`a claim term within the challenged claims called endogenous non-transfected
`mutant, right, and that is describing the actual ACCase's mutation that these
`challenged claims claim causes the rice seed or plant to become herbicide-
`tolerant in the first place.
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`And that claim construction with respect to endogenous non-
`transfected mutant means that the DNA is endogenous to the respective cells
`of the seed or the plant. It's non-transfected in that it only contains a
`mutation that was randomly produced within the cell.
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`It is a random mutation. It's not something that can be predicted. It's
`not something that can be introduced through human interventions such as
`recombinant DNA technology. And that was a claim construction that was
`undisputed by the parties.
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`Now, another claim term that was raised in the petition was effective
`amount. That goes to the idea that these rice plants actually have to be
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`herbicide-tolerant by an effective amount because the whole point of the
`particular alleged invention is that you were going to have herbicide-tolerant
`rice plants, right?
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`And that effective amount is the amounts of crops herbicides
`specifically listed in the claims such that it actually causes less than 10
`percent injury to the rice plant, right, because in order --
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`JUDGE HULSE: Counsel?
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`MR. SUH: Oh.
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`JUDGE HULSE: I'm sorry to interrupt. Is this a new construction that
`you're proposing because I don't see reference to the 65 percent phytotoxicity
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`MR. SUH: Yeah.
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`JUDGE HULSE: -- as specified in the claims.
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`MR. SUH: Right. So I'm not arguing the 65 percent phytotoxicity.
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`I'm arguing that the effective amount actually causes less than 10 percent
`injury to the rice plant, right, and that is not a new construction.
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`It's actually at the institution decision where it's stated, "We consider
`the less than 10 percent injury together with the effective amounts of
`herbicides to constitute the effective amount limitations." And that's at
`institutional decision at 15 and 18, right?
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`JUDGE HULSE: Okay. So you're adopting our construction. You're
`not proposing a different construction.
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`MR. SUH: That is correct. And when I say disputed it is disputed by
`Patent Owner, right, because Patent Owner in their papers are not
`emphasizing the 10 percent injury. They really don't because they're having
`problems actually showing that particular element within the specification.
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`Instead, they're relying upon something that you raised, Your Honors,
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`the 65 percent phytotoxicity.
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`JUDGE HULSE: So then what is your response that the specification
`expressly defines effective amount and that we shouldn't deviate from that?
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`MR. SUH: Well, I think the Board should not deviate from it because
`as the Board specifically recognized, those effective amounts are actually
`claimed. They're actually specifically claimed in the challenged claims, right,
`and the Board was correct that in order for the effective amounts to actually
`have any meaning with respect to these claims they have to be at an effective
`amount such that it causes less than 10 percent injury. And that's a claim
`construction and that was actually used by Patent Owners during prosecution.
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`So, Your Honors, if we go to Slide 11, this was the actual institution
`decision. The Board found that there was no written description support
`from the Mankin PCT Line and it focused upon this effective amount
`limitation.
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`It also found that there was no written description support from the
`Neuteboom PCT line. It also -- the Board also focused on the effective
`amount limitation, although the Neuteboom PCT issue really has dropped
`away because, as I mentioned before, Patent Owner no longer claims priority
`to the Neuteboom PCT line.
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`But I wanted to address this next portion, which was at the decision at
`Page 22, right, that the Board said because we find each of the challenged
`claims lacks written description support in any parent applications, right, we
`need not address whether the parent applications also enable the claims to
`determine that the '345 patent is eligible for post grant review.
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`And that's important again, Your Honor, because, again, in order for
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`Patent Owner to try to prove an earlier effective filing date they have to
`prove both that the challenged claims are supported by written description
`and enablement. But in order for the Board and for Petitioner to show that
`these challenged claims are PGR-eligible all that needs to be shown is
`whether the challenged claims either lack written description support or lack
`enablement based upon the earlier filed application.
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`Now, the Board also preliminarily found that it was more likely than
`not that a POSA would be able to actually practice the claimed invention for
`enablement, right? In other words, it found that -- initially found that the
`claims were enabled and initially did find that the challenged claims were
`adequately described.
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`But it also found on the preliminary record that it is more likely than
`not that the challenged claims are anticipated for obviousness -- or obvious
`over the prior art.
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`Well, this really comes down to an issue regarding burden of
`production. And Petitioner is not saying that -- is not saying that it doesn't
`have the burden of proving that the claims are unpatentable. That burden
`always belongs to Petitioner.
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`However, in this particular context when Petitioner actually has
`proven, has shown a prima facie case of anticipation over the filing date,
`right, that there is a burden of production which then shifts to Patent Owner
`to either argue that the prior art does not anticipate the challenged claims,
`right? In other words, that the prior art actually does not meet the limitations
`of the actual claims, or they can argue that the prior art or these references
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`are not really prior art because they're entitled to an earlier actual filing date,
`right?
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`And that proof of trying to argue an earlier effective filing date
`requires both an adequate written description and enablement. So if we look
`at Slide 13, this is how that standard has been applied to this particular case,
`right? The burden of production shifts to Patent Owner because Patent
`Owner -- because Petitioner has provided a prima facie case of anticipation,
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`So Patent Owner did not address whether the prior art does or does not
`meet the limitations of the claims, right? Instead, it argued priority, but in
`arguing priority at best it relied upon what we believe was a defective written
`description argument. And it didn't address enablement, and they were
`required to do that. This was their burden of production.
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`Now, with respect to the issue as to whether the Mankin CIP parent
`line describes the challenged claims, these are some preliminary points, Slide
`14, the challenged claims they issued from a CIP application from the
`Mankin application. New matter was added to the application which resulted
`in the claims. And that's the first point.
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`And the second point is during prosecution of the challenged claims
`the Patent Office determined at least twice that the application was being
`examined under the first two inventive positions of AIA. In other words, the
`Patent Office determined that the claims were not afforded priority to the
`prior parent applications.
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`And then, of course, the PTAB in its decisions granting institution
`ruled, obviously, that the challenged claims were PGR-eligible, which is the
`reason why we're here today.
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`So Slide 15, Your Honor, this is our summary of the challenged
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`claims. All of the challenged claims are to methods of treating rice where the
`rice crop comprises the endogenous non-transfected random G2O96S
`ACCase mutation, what we will be calling the 2096 mutation.
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`That mutation in the ACCase gene causes the rice crop to be tolerant to
`the various claim FOPS, in other words quizalofop, at the various claimed
`effective amounts, in other words 14 to 140 grams of active ingredient per
`hectare, where that tolerance is measured by the rice crop exhibiting less than
`10 percent injury.
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`Now, Your Honor, with respect to this particular 2096 ACCase
`mutation it is Petitioner's position that one of the reasons why this particular
`part of the claim, in fact the whole claim itself, is not adequately described is
`that when dealing with this critical ACCase mutation Patent Owners in the
`PCT Mankin CIP Line, all they did was list a whole bunch of different
`potential ACCase mutations which could potentially cause herbicide
`tolerance because this was all the different various hundreds of different
`mutations that were found to be resistant in weeds, which is listed in the prior
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`So this, this is actually just a short portion of the specification. This is
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`actually a portion of the brief summary of the invention and the 2096
`disclosure is at the very end here, right? And then this a demonstrative but,
`Your Honor, we really -- we hope the Board has an opportunity to truly
`appreciate the repeated listings within the Mankin PCT application when it
`involves the listings of just this 2096 mutation.
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`It just lists these generic mutations in over 90 paragraphs, 60 pages of -
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`JUDGE HULSE: Counsel, --
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`MR. SUH: -- the mutations.
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`JUDGE HULSE: -- what about Claim 17 of the PCT application?
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`Doesn't that expressly claim the G2096S mutation by itself?
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`MR. SUH: It does, Your Honor. And, Your Honor, if I could just
`skip a little bit ahead, if you don't mind, right, so Claim 17 does specifically
`list the 2096 mutation. But if we look at the other claims as well within the
`original application, Claims 1, 6, 9, 12, 15, they also list particular mutations.
` And these would cover at least 95 mutations.
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`Claim 18 covers a list of mutations, and that covers at least 190
`mutations. Claim 24 covers at least 323 mutations. Claim 101 covers at least
`418 mutations.
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`So, Your Honors, just because Patent Owner specifically claimed one
`of these particular mutations within a whole bunch of listings, and it also
`claimed all of them well, we don't think that that provides an adequate
`written description, just in the same way that just because you use the words
`or put the words 2096 within the specification it doesn't mean that that's an
`adequate written description because that is just a laundry list, Your Honor.
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`And if I could skip ahead to Page 36, Slide 36, right --
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`JUDGE HULSE: But wouldn't you say though that those claims, like
`you said, in these brackets they cover at least 95 mutations, covers at least
`190 mutations. Claim 17 covers one mutation, right?
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`MR. SUH: Right. Right. And also, Your Honor, the Claim 1 also
`covered one mutation, right? Claim 6 also covered one mutation. Claim 9
`covered, see what I have in the bracket 1781, 1999, 2027, 2041.
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`So there are various instances where the claims actually do cover the
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`other mutations as well, and the claims also do cover more generic type of
`mutations where it covers up to 418 different mutations.
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`But, Your Honor, if I could just -- this actually goes to the case law.
`Your Honor, even if there is an original claim which actually claims the
`particular 2096 mutation, under the law that still is not an adequate written
`description, right?
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`So we have case law here, the Enzo case law, right. And here it says,
`"The appearance of mere and indistinct words in the specification or a claim,
`even an original claim, does not necessarily satisfy that requirement," right.
`What you have to show is that the disclosure actually has to show through its
`four corners that one of skill in the art would believe that the inventors
`actually possessed the invention, right?
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`And again, the Neuteboom case, Federal Circuit 2019, in this
`particular claims the literal words of the claims appear in the specification
`and the original claims.
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`So I'm sorry I jumped ahead there, Your Honor, but --
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`JUDGE HULSE: No, that's fine.
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`MR. SUH: Yeah. But we were here with these particular listings.
`And going now to Slide 18, so with respect to all these different hundreds of
`listings now this is undisputed, right? In the specification it never
`distinguishes this mutation over the other ACCase mutations as to tolerance
`levels against different herbicides.
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`The spec never shows how the 2096 mutation could be randomly
`mutated or selected over any of the other mutations, right? The spec never
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`shows any data regarding the significance of this mutation over the other
`mutations.
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`And it never explains why this mutation was chosen as a potential
`candidate for herbicide-tolerant rice over other mutations, although later on
`in this proceeding we believe that there -- we believe that the reason why
`eventually claims were issued for the 2096 mutation is because RiceTec
`actually published its Hinga application citing the importance of the 2096.
`But we'll get to that point a little bit later, Your Honors.
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`So this what Patent Owner's experts -- expert Dr. Somers said when he
`was shown the original claims, when he was shown the repeated generic
`listings of the 2096 mutation, right? He says they're all mentioned. There's
`no question, right?
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`And then I asked him not only are they mentioned at locations at 20
`and 22 positions but multitudes of mutations at each of the 22 locations,
`right? He says correct.
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`And then I asked him, "And there's nothing in the PCT application
`which distinguishes the G2096S mutation from any of these other listed
`contemplated mutations, right? Answer, "Ah, well, in the PCT no. No."
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`Now, when we get to Dr. Shaner, who is Petitioner's expert, what does
`he do when he reviews those multiple listings within the PCT application?
`He said that that does not convey to one of skill in the art that the inventors
`actually possessed rice plants that contain this mutation, this critical mutation
`that actually causes the rice plant to be tolerant at levels that are 10 -- that are
`less than 10 percent injury to the rice, right?
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`All the applicants did was to scour the prior art for ACCase mutations
`in other plant species like weeds. And as the wish list said that we want to
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`get this all in rice, right? And then they had one experiment with respect to
`the 1781 mutation, not the 2096 mutation, and they showed resistance to
`cycloxydim, which is not in the claimed FOPs. It's in a whole different
`family of herbicides. And even in that experiment the injury to rice far
`exceeded 10 percent.
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`JUDGE HULSE: Mr. Suh, was the -- were these mutations not known
`in rice?
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`MR. SUH: They were never shown to be in rice. These mutations
`were only shown to be in weeds, right?
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`JUDGE HULSE: Thank you.
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`MR. SUH: So whether these mutations could occur in other plant
`species that was speculations. Of course, all of these positions occur
`naturally in various plant species. The protein even exists in humans, Your
`Honor, the ACCase protein.
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`So Dr. Shaner he, you know, one of the reasons why he believed that
`there was a lack of possession by the inventors is the fact that the challenged
`claims are inherently unpredictable. And here again we're talking about the
`fact that the claims require that the 2096 mutation occur randomly, not
`through recombinant DNA technology, right. It has to occur randomly in the
`plant tissue. It's not something that could be predicted.
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`And even Patent Owner's expert, he agreed with the unpredictable
`nature of these random mutations. He stated because there's enough
`sequence polymorphism among the genomes of these different weeds and
`species it's difficult.
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`It's difficult to know if such a selection mutation would both, one,
`confer the tolerance and also debilitate the enzyme in any way because that's
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`a little bit of the unknown, the trick of isolating such a mutant that would
`confer adequate tolerance and not impact plant performance.
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`Another important point that Dr. Shaner pointed out which was
`unrebutted, unimpeached on the record, is that the inventors did not have an a
`priori approach with respect to these mutations, Your Honor, right? They
`didn't say, you know, we are going to make a 1781 ACCase mutant plant.
`We're going to have -- we are -- or we're going to make a 2096 ACCase
`mutation herbicide-tolerant rice plant. No. No.
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`What the inventors did is that they subjected the rice tissue to chemical
`mutagens. They relied upon a random somaclonal variation which exists in
`the tissue culture, and then they selected on the rice tissue with different
`herbicides, DIM herbicides and they looked to see which rice tissue actually
`survived.
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`And then they sequenced it, and then they found out that the surviving
`plants had a particular DNA sequence with a mutation at 1781. It was the
`result of these possessions. It was the result of these particular experiments.
`It was not a preconceived idea.
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`And then for -- so therefore for Patent Owner to then say, well,
`because we got it at 1781 we can now have a preconceived idea that we can
`get it at all these different mutations. It flies against what was actually done
`in the actual work leading up to these challenged claims, and it flies against
`the actual science behind it.
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`This is more evidence of what was actually done by the Patent
`Owners. They experimented on thousands and thousands of rice plant lines,
`which each consist of millions of different rice cells.
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`And in some of those experiments they actually didn't even generate
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`any mutants from these experiments. They generated one, sometimes up to
`six, but look at the percentage rates. Very low, very unpredictable and none
`of these were to 2096. They're all to 1781 or something called a 2078
`mutation which Patent Owner will be talking about.
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`But Patent Owner fails to recognize that those 2078 plants were
`stunted and they were they were sterile and they were discarded. They were
`a failure. And this more of what Dr. Shaner was opining with respect to the
`fact that there was not an a priori approach, Slide 24.
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`And this is another important point that Dr. Shaner concluded upon
`looking at the specification. He said that based upon the CIP Mankin
`specification he saw that the data that they were generating were showing
`that they were selecting the rice tissues on -- based upon DIM herbicides,
`right, tetraloxydim, sethoxydim, cycloxydim.
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`Figure 2, which is purportedly showing the actual selection process to
`produce these herbicide-tolerant rice plants, Figure 2, Paragraph 64, only
`shows that cycloxydim was being used for the stepwise selection processes.
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`Now, there are other parts of the CIP parent application where it
`mentions haloxyfop. But conveniently, or at both times haloxyfop is actually
`mentioned, the data is not shown. Paragraph 270 says "or haloxyfop not
`shown," right?
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`Further on it talks about selection processes, haloxyfop data not
`shown. And when they do show the data, Paragraph 294, what are they --
`what do they show? The selection herbicide was cycloxydim and
`sethoxydim not haloxyfop, not a FOP.
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`So Dr. Shaner, his only reasonable conclusion is that haloxyfop was
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`not used to select any of these mutant rice plants. And as a result, as of the
`time of the Mankin CIP parent, it was known that DIMs could not select for
`an ACCase mutation as a 2096 mutation. It just could not because DIM
`herbicides would actually kill a plant with a mutation at 2096 a.
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`And how do we know that? The Patent Office recognized this, right?
`In a related application it said, "It is well-known at the time of the filing that
`a G2096S substitution conferred little or no tolerance to DIMs herbicides.”
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`Even Patent Owner's expert admitted to this. He said, "That in rice
`tissue cultures under this selection system I don't think a POSA -- well, I
`think it gives you a guideline to predict how much work you have to do, but I
`don't think a POSA would attempt at their first attempt to use a DIM for
`selection of 2096."
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`So the Mankin CIP parent actually teaches away from making a 2096
`herbicide-tolerant plant. The only evidence that Patent Owner used to try to
`rebut this idea that DIMs could actually be used to select for the 2096
`mutation is Neuteboom, but we know that Patent Owners had actually
`dropped their reliance on Neuteboom as priority.
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`And we also know that the Neuteboom disclosure that Patent Owners
`rely upon has nothing to do with the challenged claims, right? If you look at
`the part that's reproduced on this Slide 28, right?
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`Neuteboom had to deal with a method to detect mutations in yeast, not
`in rice. It involved herbicides which were not the claimed FOPs. They'd use
`application rates at the micromolar level in a laboratory, not the 14 to 140
`grams of active ingredient in the natural field.
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