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`Thursday, May 18, 2023 1:01 PM
`Specht, Kara; Trials
`johnw@wsltrial.com; Todd Landis; Michael Fagan; Mark McCarthy; Dynapass-IPR
`RE: IPR2023-00367
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`Counsel: The panel authorizes a one-page preliminary reply on the issues of jurisdiction and
`Patent Owner’s application of Xerox as requested by Petitioner. We also authorize Patent
`Owner to file a one-page preliminary sur-reply limited to responding to these
`issues. Petitioner’s preliminary reply is due within five business days of receipt of this email
`authorization and Patent Owner’s sur-reply is due within five business days of filing of
`Petitioner’s preliminary reply. Petitioner should file a copy of this email as an Exhibit in this
`proceeding. 
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`Thank you, 
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`Maria King 
`Deputy Chief Clerk for Trials 
`Patent Trial and Appeal Board 
`U.S. Patent and Trademark Office 
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`From: Specht, Kara <Kara.Specht@finnegan.com>  
`Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2023 11:39 AM 
`To: Trials <Trials@USPTO.GOV> 
`Cc: johnw@wsltrial.com; Todd Landis <tlandis@wsltrial.com>; Michael Fagan <mfagan@wsltrial.com>; Mark McCarthy 
`<mmccarthy@wsltrial.com>; Dynapass‐IPR <Dynapass‐IPR@finnegan.com> 
`Subject: IPR2023‐00367 
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`BANK OF AMERICA ET AL. EXHIBIT 1034
`BANK OF AMERICA ET AL. v. DYNAPASS
`IPR2023-00367
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`Petitioners in IPR2023‐00367 request a one‐page pre‐institution reply on the issues of jurisdiction and Patent Owner’s 
`application of Xerox Corp., et al. v. Bytemark, Inc., No. IPR2022‐00624. Patent Owner does not oppose a one‐page reply 
`on the issue of jurisdiction but does oppose additional briefing on Xerox. 
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`Although unopposed, good cause exists to address jurisdiction because of Patent Owner’s direct contradiction of Apple, 
`Inc. v. Gesture Tech. Partners, LLC, IPR2021‐00922, Paper 10 (Nov. 29, 2021) (finding jurisdiction over an IPR filed on an 
`expired patent) was unforeseeable. Petitioners request a reply to address the Board’s reasoning in Apple v. Gesture 
`Tech. 
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`Patent Owner argues that under Xerox a declaration is entitled to little weight if it restates the same supporting 
`evidence and reasoning as the petition. Paper 10 at 17‐18 (“declaration is entitled to little weight when it contains an 
`exact restatement of the petition’s arguments without additional supporting evidence or reasoning“). This is an 
`unforeseeable expansion of the actual holding from Xerox, which held that a declaration is entitled to little weight if it is 
`conclusory and unsupported with evidence and explanation. Xerox Corp., et al. v. Bytemark, Inc., No. IPR2022‐00624, 
`Paper 9 at 15 (August 24, 2022) (precedential) (“cited declaration testimony is conclusory and unsupported, adds little to 
`the conclusory assertion for which it is offered to support, and is entitled to little weight”). Petitioners request a reply to 
`address the proper holding from Xerox. 
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`If granted, Petitioners will not oppose a sur‐reply by Patent Owner of equal length, limited to responding to the 
`arguments made in reply. 
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`Petitioners are available for a call with the Board at the Board’s convenience this week. Patent Owner indicated it is 
`available for a call with the Board Thursday of this week. 
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`Best regards, 
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`Kara Specht 
`Counsel for Petitioners 
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`Kara Specht
`Partner
`Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett & Dunner, LLP
`271 17th Street, NW, Suite 1400, Atlanta, GA 30363-6209
`404.653.6481 | fax 404.653.6444 | kara.specht@finnegan.com | bio | www.finnegan.com 
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