throbber

`
`
`
`
`
`UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
`___________________
`
`BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
`___________________
`
`
`
`
`SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS CO., LTD, MICRON TECHNOLOGY, INC.,
`MICRON SEMICONDUCTOR PRODUCTS, INC., and
`MICRON TECHNOLOGY TEXAS LLC
`Petitioner,
`
`v.
`
`NETLIST, INC.,
`Patent Owner.
`
`
`___________________
`
`Case No. IPR2022-00996
`Patent No. 11,016,918
`___________________
`
`
`PATENT OWNER’S MOTION TO SUBMIT SUPPLEMENTAL
`INFORMATION PURSUANT TO 37 C.F.R. §42.123(b)
`
`
`
`
`
`
`Mail Stop “PATENT BOARD”
`Patent Trial and Appeal Board
`U.S. Patent and Trademark Office
`P.O. Box 1450
`Alexandria, VA 22313-1450
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`

`

`Case No. IPR2022-00996
`Patent No. 11,016,918
`
`TABLE OF CONTENTS
`
`Page
`Nature of Supplemental Information Sought to be Submitted ..................... 1
`I.
`Relevance of the Supplemental Information ................................................ 2
`II.
`III. The Supplemental Information Could Not Be Obtained Earlier .................. 4
`IV. Admission of the Supplemental Information is in Interest-of-Justice .......... 5
`
`
`11267144
`
`
`
`- i -
`
`
`
`

`

`Case No. IPR2022-00996
`Patent No. 11,016,918
`
`TABLE OF AUTHORITIES
`
` Page(s)
`
`Cases
`Environment Designs, Ltd. v. Union Oil Co. of Cal.,
`713 F.2d 693, 218 USPQ 865 (Fed. Cir. 1983) .................................................... 3
`Kingston Tech. Co., Inc. v. Spex Techs., Inc.,
`No. IPR2017-01021, Paper 31 (PTAB May 29, 2018) ........................................ 5
`Regulations
`37 C.F.R. §42.123(b) ................................................................................................. 1
`Fed. R. Evid. 801(2) ................................................................................................... 2
`Fed. R. Evid. 804(3) ................................................................................................... 2
`
`11267144
`
`
`
`- ii -
`
`
`
`

`

`Case No. IPR2022-00996
`Patent No. 11,016,918
`Netlist respectfully moves to submit the deposition transcript excerpts
`
`attached to this motion as supplemental information under 37 C.F.R. §42.123(b).
`
`I.
`
`Nature of Supplemental Information Sought to be Submitted
`The supplemental information consists of testimony from Micron’s corporate
`
`representative, Boe Holbrook, given in a parallel litigation between Patent Owner
`
`and Petitioner Micron in which the ’918 patent is at issue. See Attachment A, 1;
`
`EX2071, 1.
`
`Mr. Holbrook has been with Micron since 2002 and his title is Senior Manager
`
`in the Module Development Group. EX2065, ¶2; see also Attachment A, 10:17-21.
`
`In the parallel litigation, Micron designated Mr. Holbrook as its 30(b)(6) corporate
`
`representative on over a dozen topics, including non-infringement EX2066, 29
`
`(Topic #89); EX2067 (Micron’s counsel designating Mr. Holbrook for Topic #89).
`
`In order to testify on “all facts and circumstances” relating to non-infringement of
`
`the ’918 patent, Mr. Holbrook reviewed the ’918 patent: “Q. You understand that
`
`Micron is accused of infringing a number of Netlist patents in this case. Correct? A.
`
`I understand that. Q. And did you review those patents in preparation for your
`
`testimony? A. Yes, sir.” Mr. Holbrook testified he led the design of memory
`
`modules at Micron: “Q. Is there anyone more senior than you in module
`
`development? A. No, sir.” Attachment A, 10:17-19.
`
`11267144
`
`
`
`- 1 -
`
`
`
`

`

`Case No. IPR2022-00996
`Patent No. 11,016,918
`The testimony is non-hearsay under FRE 801(2) as Mr. Holbrook testified on
`
`the operation and structure of DDR5 modules that are covered by the ’918 patent.
`
`EX2066, 13 (Topics #14-17); EX2067 (showing Mr. Holbrook was designated for
`
`same topics). The testimony is admissible against Samsung under FRE 804(3) for
`
`the same reason, coupled with the fact that the statement removes a prior art design
`
`in which information is sent in packetized form from the scope of the ’918 patent
`
`claims, which harms Mr. Holbrook’s employers’ interest.
`
`II. Relevance of the Supplemental Information
` The ’918 patent recites “edge connections configured to couple power, data,
`
`address, and control signals between the memory modules and the host system.” See
`
`e.g., EX1001, Cl. 1. The Petitioners point to signals transiting from the AMB to the
`
`DRAM chips in FBDIMMs as satisfying this element: “A0-A15,” “RAS, CAS, WE,
`
`CS”). Pet., 21-25. The claims, however, require the recited signals to pass from the
`
`host system to the memory module via the memory module’s edge connections.
`
`Samsung’s expert, Dr. Wolf, testified that, across the edge in FBDIMM, “the
`
`information is sent to the advanced memory before in the form of serialized packets.”
`
`EX2030, 10:7-11. In order to backfill, in its reply Samsung changed arguments and
`
`maintained that the serialized packets sent across the edge constitute the required
`
`signals. Paper 25, 7-9. In addition to being an improper new argument, it is
`
`contradicted by Mr. Holbrook.
`
`
`
`
`
`- 2 -
`
`
`
`

`

`Case No. IPR2022-00996
`Patent No. 11,016,918
`Mr. Holbrook is not an expert in FBDIMMs, which makes his testimony
`
`particularly relevant because the standard is a POSA. See Environment Designs, Ltd.
`
`v. Union Oil Co. of Cal., 713 F.2d 693, 218 USPQ 865, 868-69 (Fed. Cir. 1983)
`
`(noting the statutory requirement that obviousness be evaluated with respect to a
`
`person having ordinary skill in the art, “not to the judge, or to a layman, or to those
`
`skilled in remote arts, or to geniuses in the art at hand”). Mr. Hobrook satisfies
`
`Petitioners’ definition of a POSA at the time of the invention as he was employed
`
`with Micron since 2002 as a “Senior Electrical Engineer” working in the field of
`
`design/development of memory systems. Pet., 8-9; EX2065, ¶2; EX2070.
`
`Consistent with the admissions of Samsung’s expert he testified that signals (which
`
`are required by the claims) and encoded data are different:
`
`Q. What's the difference between a signal and an encoded
`packet of data?
`A. So a signal, from my understanding, is a single, defined
`signal, a 1 or a 0. Encoded data, group of data, would be a
`group of 1s and 0s that would be encoded by a device.
`Attachment A, 52:13-18.
`
`Q. But you understand that there is a difference between
`encoded data and data signals in terms of how you’re
`controlling memory devices on a module.
`A. So how memory devices are controlled on a module in
`respect to FBDIMM, yes, I understand that.
`Id., 53:7-13.
`
`
`
`
`
`- 3 -
`
`
`
`

`

`Case No. IPR2022-00996
`Patent No. 11,016,918
`At the hearing, Samsung argued that the claims must cover packetized transfer
`
`of information as opposed to signals because the specification list a large number of
`
`form factors, one of which is FB-DIMM. EX1079, 37. But Mr. Holbrook’s
`
`testimony corroborates that “form factor” in this context refers to the shape of the
`
`module, not how information is passed, because the claims recite the use of signals
`
`which is different from the packets used to supply AMBs. Mr. Holbrook’s testimony
`
`also corroborates the specification, which makes no provision for an AMD-like
`
`structure that can convert packetized information to signals, but in all discussions
`
`describes signals passing across the edge that need not be decoded or converted.
`
`EX1001, 22:1-6 (described “standard DIMM interface 1022” of FIG. 12).
`
`III. The Supplemental Information Could Not Be Obtained Earlier
`Mr. Holbrook was not made available to testify until August 30, 2023
`
`(EX2068), and therefore the information could not have been obtained earlier.
`
`Netlist served its 30(b)(6) notice on May 15, 2023. EX2066. Micron did not respond
`
`to Netlist’s notice until June 27, 2023, merely objecting to each of Netlist’s topics
`
`without designating a single witness. Micron finally provided Mr. Holbrook’s
`
`availability for deposition on August 3, 2023, informing Netlist that Mr. Holbrook
`
`would not be available for deposition until August 30, 2023. Micron did not provide
`
`its final designations for its 30(b)(6) witnesses until August 9, 2023—nearly 3
`
`months after Netlist served its 30(b)(6) notice. EX2067.
`
`
`
`
`
`- 4 -
`
`
`
`

`

`Case No. IPR2022-00996
`Patent No. 11,016,918
`After the deposition, Micron further delayed by improperly designating the
`
`entire transcript as confidential under the district court’s protective order. The next
`
`day, Netlist asked for the relevant testimony be de-designated (EX2069). Netlist
`
`further acted diligently in expediently raising this issue with the Board on September
`
`5, 2023 (EX3002) after Micron’s delay in de-designating the relevant testimony.
`
`To the extent Samsung argues that Netlist should have sought discovery from
`
`Mr. Holbrook in the IPR, this was an impossibility as he was not designated to
`
`provide testimony on non-infringement of the patents (and thus Micron’s
`
`understanding of the patents) until August 9, 2023.
`
`IV. Admission of the Supplemental Information is in Interest-of-Justice
`As the Board has recognized in past cases, evidence that a party has taken
`
`inconsistent positions on the same issues here and in related district court litigation
`
`is relevant to the Board’s determination and should be considered in the interests-
`
`of-justice. See, e.g., Kingston Tech. Co., Inc. v. Spex Techs., Inc., No. IPR2017-
`
`01021, Paper 31, at 2, 4-5 (PTAB May 29, 2018).
`
`Here, Samsung itself has submitted and relied on evidence from parallel
`
`district court proceedings. See, e.g., EX1071-1073, EX1077; Pet., 9, 27, 40, 69, 73,
`
`87, 126 (discussing alleged positions and statements made by Netlist in EX1071 and
`
`EX1073); Paper 25 (Petitioner Reply), 2, 8, 25, 37 (discussing Netlist’s district court
`
`technology tutorial).
`
`
`
`
`
`- 5 -
`
`
`
`

`

`Case No. IPR2022-00996
`Patent No. 11,016,918
`
`
`Dated: October 4, 2023
`
`Respectfully submitted,
`
`By /Jonathan Lindsay/
`H. Annita Zhong (Reg. No. 66,530)
`Jonathan Lindsay (Reg. No. 45,810)
`Jason Sheasby (pro hac vice)
`IRELL & MANELLA LLP
`1800 Avenue of the Stars, Suite 900
`Los Angeles, CA 90067
`Tel: (310) 277-1010
`Fax: (310) 203-7199
`Attorneys for Patent Owner
`Netlist, Inc.
`
`
`
`
`
`- 6 -
`
`
`
`

`

`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`ATTACHMENT A
`ATTACHMENT A
`
`
`
`
`
`

`

`Case 2:22-cv-00293-JRG Document 150-2 Filed 09/14/23 Page 2 of 17 PageID #: 12113
`
`1
`
`2
`
`3
`
`4
`
`5
`
`6
`
`7
`
`8
`
`9
`
`10
`
`11
`
`12
`
`13
`
`14
`
`15
`
`16
`
`17
`
`18
`
`19
`
`20
`
`21
`
`22
`
`23
`
`24
`
`25
`
` UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
`
` FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS
`
` MARSHALL DIVISION
`
` ---oOo---
`
` NETLIST, INC.,
`
` Plaintiff,
`
` vs. No. 2:22-cv-203-JRG-RSP
`
` MICRON TECHNOLOGY, INC.;
`
` MICRON SEMICONDUCTOR
`
` PRODUCTS, INC.; MICRON
`
` TECHNOLOGY TEXAS LLC,
`
` Defendants.
`
` ____________________________/
`
`
`
` REMOTE VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF
`
` BOE HOLBROOK
`
` 30(B)(6) DESIGNEE, MICRON
`
` _________________________________
`
` WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 30, 2023
`
` REPORTED BY: HOLLY THUMAN, CSR No. 6834, RMR, CRR
`
` JOB NUMBER 6066631
`
`Veritext Legal Solutions
`Calendar-CA@veritext.com 866-299-5127
`
`Page 1
`
`

`

`Case 2:22-cv-00293-JRG Document 150-2 Filed 09/14/23 Page 3 of 17 PageID #: 12114
`
`1
`
`2
`
`3
`
`4
`
`5
`
`6
`
`7
`
`8
`
`9
`
`10
`
`11
`
` --o0o--
`
` Remote videotaped deposition of BOE HOLBROOK,
`
` taken by the Plaintiff, with the witness located in
`
` Boise, Idaho, commencing at 10:16 A.M. Mountain Time,
`
` on WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 30, 2023, before me, HOLLY THUMAN,
`
` CSR, RMR, CRR.
`
` --o0o--
`
` APPEARANCES
`
` (ALL APPEARANCES REMOTE)
`
` FOR THE PLAINTIFF:
`
` IRELL & MANELLA LLP
`
` 1800 Avenue of the Stars, Suite 900
`
`12
`
` Los Angeles, California 90067-4276
`
` By: JASON G. SHEASBY, Attorney at Law
`
`13
`
`14
`
`15
`
` JSheasby@irell.com
`
` FOR DEFENDANTS:
`
` WINSTON & STRAWN LLP
`
` 333 S. Grand Avenue, 38th Floor
`
`16
`
` Los Angeles, California 90071
`
` By: DAVID ENZMINGER, Attorney at Law
`
`17
`
` DEnzminger@winston.com
`
` By: MATTHEW HOPKINS, Attorney at Law
`
` MHopkins@winston.com
`
` ALSO PRESENT:
`
` TONY NOKES, Videographer
`
` CARRISA NARCISO, Tech Concierge
`
` BECKY CARRIZOSA, In-house counsel, Micron
`
`18
`
`19
`
`20
`
`21
`
`22
`
`23
`
`24
`
`25
`
`Veritext Legal Solutions
`Calendar-CA@veritext.com 866-299-5127
`
`Page 2
`
`

`

`Case 2:22-cv-00293-JRG Document 150-2 Filed 09/14/23 Page 4 of 17 PageID #: 12115
`
`1
`2
`3
`4
`5
`6
`7
`8
`9
`10
`
`11
`
`12
`13
`
`14
`
`15
`16
`
`17
`18
`
`19
`
`20
`
`21
`
`22
`23
`
`24
`25
`
` I N D E X
` INDEX OF EXAMINATIONS
` EXAMINATION BY: PAGE
` MR. SHEASBY 8
` MR. ENZMINGER 167
` MR. SHEASBY 171
` --o0o--
` EXHIBITS MARKED FOR IDENTIFICATION
` NO. DESCRIPTION PAGE
` Exhibit 1 JEDEC Standard JESD82-31A, August 16
` 2019 (SAM-NET00332467 through -665)
`
` Exhibit 2 JEDEC Standard JESD82-32A, August 17
` 2019 (MICNL203-00012556 through -755)
` Exhibit 3 Micron document, "3-Dimensional Stack 37
` (3DS) DDR4 SDRAM"
`
` Exhibit 5 Micron document "DDR4 SDRAM LRDIMM" 55
` (MICNL203-00001364 through -391)
` Exhibit 6 Micron document, "DDR5 SDRAM RDIMM 91
` Addendum" (MICNL203-00000678 through
` -685)
` Exhibit 7 Master Revision Control Document 90
` 3408.01
`
` Exhibit 8 Micron document, "DDR5 SDRAM SODIMM 90
` Core" (MICNL203-00000562 through
` -580)
`
` Exhibit 9 Master Revision Control Document 90
` 3163.01
` Exhibit 10 Master Revision Control Document 92
` 3405.1
`
` (Cont'd)
`
`Veritext Legal Solutions
`Calendar-CA@veritext.com 866-299-5127
`
`Page 3
`
`

`

`Case 2:22-cv-00293-JRG Document 150-2 Filed 09/14/23 Page 5 of 17 PageID #: 12116
`
`1
`2
`
`3
`4
`
`5
`6
`
`7
`
`8
`
`9
`
`10
`
`11
`
`12
`
`13
`
`14
`15
`
`16
`17
`
`18
`19
`
`20
`21
`
`22
`23
`
`24
`25
`
` (Exhibits, cont'd)
` Exhibit 12 Press release, May 7, 2012, "Micron 110
` Announces Its First Fully Functional
` DDR4 DRAM Module"
` Exhibit 14 Presentation deck, "Micron/Netlist 112
` Partnership Opportunity, April 2015"
` (NL-MIC-203_00041942 through -2004)
` Exhibit 16 Micron document, "DDR4 SDRAM LRDIMM" 99
` (MICNL203-00001364 through -391)
`
` Exhibit 17 US Patent 10,949,339, Lee et al. 105
`
` Exhibit 18 Page from presentation deck with 108
` diagrams headed "Micron" Nd "Netlist
` Patents"
`
` Exhibit 19 Texas Instruments presentation deck, 124
` "Alternative HDLR Dimm Concept,"
` October 6, 2008
` (NETLIST_SAMSUNG_EDTX00056236 through
` -245)
`
` Exhibit 20 Document marked as Exhibit 19, with 126
` highlights
` Exhibit 21 Page from presentation deck with 133
` headings for Micron, Netlist Patents,
` and TI JEDEC Presentation
` Exhibit 23 Presentation deck, "Micron/Netlist 142
` Partnership Opportunity, April 2015"
` (NL-MIC-203_00041942 through -2004)
` Exhibit 25 Minutes of Meeting No. 164, JC-40 144
` Digital Logic Committee, December 9,
` 2010 (SAM-NET00078119 through -134)
` Exhibit 26 Richtek document, "DDR5 VR on DIMM 148
` PMIC" (MICNL203-00059886 through
` -60009)
` Exhibit 27 Minutes of Meeting No. 193, JC-40 156
` Digital Logic Committee, June 4-6,
` 2018 (SAM-NET00246201 through -225)
` (Cont'd)
`
`Veritext Legal Solutions
`Calendar-CA@veritext.com 866-299-5127
`
`Page 4
`
`

`

`Case 2:22-cv-00293-JRG Document 150-2 Filed 09/14/23 Page 6 of 17 PageID #: 12117
`
` (Exhibits, cont'd)
`
` Exhibit 29 Presentation slide, "4.3.1.0, 158
`
` #2259.39, Micron, Voltage Regulators
`
` for DDR5 DIMMs"
`
` Exhibit 30 Minutes of Meeting No. 59, JC-45 162
`
` Module Committee, June 4-6, 2018
`
` (NETLIST_SAMSUNG_EDTX00158253 through
`
` -287)
`
` --o0o--
`
` INSTRUCTIONS TO WITNESS/REQUESTS TO MARK TRANSCRIPT
`
` PAGE LINE
`
` Instruction not to answer 76 23
`
` Instruction not to answer 175 15
`
` Instruction not to answer 175 24
`
` --o0o--
`
` REPORTER'S NOTE: Exhibits Numbers 4, 11, 15, 22, 24,
`
` and 28 were not used.
`
`Veritext Legal Solutions
`Calendar-CA@veritext.com 866-299-5127
`
`Page 5
`
`1
`
`2
`
`3
`
`4
`
`5
`
`6 7
`
`8
`
`9
`
`10
`
`11
`
`12
`
`13
`
`14
`
`15
`
`16
`
`17
`
`18
`
`19
`
`20
`
`21
`
`22
`
`23
`
`24
`
`25
`
`

`

`Case 2:22-cv-00293-JRG Document 150-2 Filed 09/14/23 Page 7 of 17 PageID #: 12118
`
`1
`
`2
`
`3
`
`4
`
`5
`
`6
`
`7
`
`8
`
`9
`
`10
`
`11
`
` EXAMINATION BY MR. SHEASBY 10:18:58
`
` BY MR. SHEASBY: 10:18:58
`
` Q. Good morning, sir. Can you state your 10:18:59
`
` full name for the record? 10:19:00
`
` A. Full name is Boe Holbrook. 10:19:01
`
` Q. And, sir, you've been designated to speak 10:19:03
`
` on behalf of the entire Micron defendant 10:19:06
`
` corporation as to a number of technical topics. Is 10:19:09
`
` that correct? 10:19:11
`
` A. That's correct. 10:19:12
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`Page 8
`
`Veritext Legal Solutions
`Calendar-CA@veritext.com 866-299-5127
`
`

`

`Case 2:22-cv-00293-JRG Document 150-2 Filed 09/14/23 Page 8 of 17 PageID #: 12119
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`17
`
`18
`
`19
`
`20
`
`21
`
` Q. Is there anyone more senior than you in 10:22:20
`
` module development? 10:22:23
`
` A. No, sir. 10:22:24
`
` Q. And how long have you been at Micron? 10:22:25
`
` A. 21 years. 10:22:27
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`Veritext Legal Solutions
`Calendar-CA@veritext.com 866-299-5127
`
`Page 10
`
`

`

`Case 2:22-cv-00293-JRG Document 150-2 Filed 09/14/23 Page 9 of 17 PageID #: 12120
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`23
`
`24
`
`25
`
` Q. I've marked as Exhibit 1 what is the 10:34:46
`
` DDR -- DDR4RCD. 10:34:49
`
` Do you see that? 10:34:51
`
`Veritext Legal Solutions
`Calendar-CA@veritext.com 866-299-5127
`
`Page 16
`
`

`

`Case 2:22-cv-00293-JRG Document 150-2 Filed 09/14/23 Page 10 of 17 PageID #: 12121
`
`1
`
`2
`
`3
`
`4
`
` Q. By the way, just so -- before we do that, 11:08:23
`
` Exhibit 1 is the RCD specification. 11:08:26
`
` Do you see that? 11:08:29
`
` A. Yes, I see that. 11:08:31
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`Veritext Legal Solutions
`Calendar-CA@veritext.com 866-299-5127
`
`Page 37
`
`

`

`Case 2:22-cv-00293-JRG Document 150-2 Filed 09/14/23 Page 11 of 17 PageID #: 12122
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`20
`
`21
`
`22
`
`23
`
`24
`
`25
`
` Q. And "CS" stands for chip-select. Is that 11:42:56
`
` correct? 11:43:01
`
` A. That's correct. 11:43:02
`
` Q. And in JEDEC DDR parlance, chip-selects 11:43:03
`
` select a rank. Is that correct? 11:43:07
`
` A. Yes. That's correct. 11:43:13
`
`Veritext Legal Solutions
`Calendar-CA@veritext.com 866-299-5127
`
`Page 50
`
`

`

`Case 2:22-cv-00293-JRG Document 150-2 Filed 09/14/23 Page 12 of 17 PageID #: 12123
`
`1
`
`2
`
`3
`
`4
`
`5
`
`6
`
`7
`
`8
`
`9
`
`10
`
`11
`
`12
`
`13
`
`14
`
`15
`
`16
`
`17
`
`18
`
`19
`
` Q. A rank is one or more -- well, let me ask 11:43:14
`
` it this way: 11:43:16
`
` How many ranks can there be on DDR 11:43:18
`
` devices? 11:43:21
`
` A. So modules? 11:43:22
`
` Q. Yes, sir. 11:43:24
`
` A. Logic -- or, excuse me, physical ranks 11:43:26
`
` supported by the RCD would be four physical ranks. 11:43:29
`
` Q. And in JEDEC DDR parlance, a rank is two 11:43:37
`
` or more memory devices. Is that correct? 11:43:41
`
` A. A rank is defined as a group that 11:43:43
`
` comprises a full 64-bit data bus. So it would be, 11:43:47
`
` at a minimum, the number of devices that are 11:43:55
`
` required to meet that full data bus. 11:43:58
`
` Q. And, historically, how many has that been? 11:44:01
`
` A. So for a x8-based module, that would be 11:44:04
`
` eight devices. For a x4-based, so four DQs in a 11:44:13
`
` DRAM -- x8 is going to be 8 DQs. So four DQs, 11:44:20
`
` x4 configuration, that would be 16 DRAM. 11:44:24
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`Page 51
`
`Veritext Legal Solutions
`Calendar-CA@veritext.com 866-299-5127
`
`

`

`Case 2:22-cv-00293-JRG Document 150-2 Filed 09/14/23 Page 13 of 17 PageID #: 12124
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`7
`
`8
`
`9
`
`10
`
`11
`
`12
`
`13
`
`14
`
`15
`
`16
`
`17
`
`18
`
`19
`
`20
`
`21
`
`22
`
`23
`
`24
`
`25
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
` Q. And, by the way, do you know what the 11:46:45
`
` difference is -- between a signal and an encoded 11:46:47
`
` packet of data is in JEDEC? 11:46:50
`
` A. JEDEC definition, I do not know what that 11:46:57
`
` would be; but I understand what a signal would be 11:47:00
`
` versus an encoded packet of data. 11:47:03
`
` Q. What's the difference between a signal and 11:47:07
`
` an encoded packet of data? 11:47:10
`
` A. So a signal, from my understanding, is a 11:47:12
`
` single, defined signal, a 1 or a 0. Encoded data, 11:47:16
`
` group of data, would be a group of 1s and 0s that 11:47:23
`
` would be encoded by a device. 11:47:28
`
` Q. Do you remember FBDIMMs? 11:47:32
`
` A. I am familiar with FBDIMMs. 11:47:36
`
` Q. A little before your time? 11:47:39
`
` A. A little bit. 11:47:42
`
` Q. And you know that they use an advanced 11:47:43
`
` memory buffer. 11:47:45
`
` Do you remember that? 11:47:47
`
`Veritext Legal Solutions
`Calendar-CA@veritext.com 866-299-5127
`
`Page 52
`
`

`

`Case 2:22-cv-00293-JRG Document 150-2 Filed 09/14/23 Page 14 of 17 PageID #: 12125
`
`1
`
`2
`
`3
`
`4
`
`5
`
`6
`
`7
`
`8
`
`9
`
`10
`
`11
`
`12
`
`13
`
` A. Yes, sir. 11:47:48
`
` Q. And in an advanced memory buffer, they 11:47:48
`
` use -- that uses encoded data as opposed to data 11:47:52
`
` signals. Correct? 11:47:55
`
` A. I wouldn't know. AMB and FBDIMM was not 11:48:00
`
` my area of expertise. 11:48:04
`
` Q. But you understand that there is a 11:48:06
`
` difference between encoded data and data signals in 11:48:08
`
` terms of how you're controlling memory devices on a 11:48:12
`
` module. 11:48:15
`
` A. So how memory devices are controlled on a 11:48:18
`
` module in respect to FBDIMM, yes, I understand 11:48:21
`
` that. 11:48:28
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`Veritext Legal Solutions
`Calendar-CA@veritext.com 866-299-5127
`
`Page 53
`
`

`

`Case 2:22-cv-00293-JRG Document 150-2 Filed 09/14/23 Page 15 of 17 PageID #: 12126
`
` CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER
`
` I, HOLLY THUMAN, a Certified Shorthand Reporter,
`
` hereby certify that the witness in the foregoing
`
` deposition was by me duly sworn to tell the truth, the
`
` whole truth, and nothing but the truth in the
`
` within-entitled cause; that said deposition was taken
`
` down in shorthand by me, a disinterested person, at the
`
` time and place therein stated; and that the testimony
`
` of said witness was thereafter reduced to typewriting
`
` by computer, to the best of my ability via remote
`
` videoconferencing, under my direction and supervision;
`
` That before completion of the deposition review of
`
` the transcript [] was [X] was not requested/offered.
`
` If requested, any changes made by the deponent (and
`
` provided to the reporter) during the period allowed are
`
` appended hereto.
`
` I further certify that I am not of counsel or
`
` attorney for either or any of the parties to the said
`
` deposition, nor in any way interested in the event of
`
` this cause, and that I am not related to any of the
`
` parties thereto.
`
` DATED: 9/05/2023
`
`1
`
`2
`
`3
`
`4
`
`5
`
`6
`
`7
`
`8
`
`9
`
`10
`
`11
`
`12
`
`13
`
`14
`
`15
`
`16
`
`17
`
`18
`
`19
`
`20
`
`21
`
`22
`
`23
`
`24
`
` <%11978,Signature%>
`
`25
`
` HOLLY THUMAN, CSR
`
`Veritext Legal Solutions
`Calendar-CA@veritext.com 866-299-5127
`
`Page 181
`
`

`

`Case 2:22-cv-00293-JRG Document 150-2 Filed 09/14/23 Page 16 of 17 PageID #: 12127
`
`1
`
`2
`
`3
`
`4
`
`5
`
`6
`
`7
`
`8
`
`9
`
`10
`
`11
`
`12
`
`13
`
`14
`
`15
`
`16
`
`17
`
`18
`
`19
`
`20
`
`21
`
`22
`
`23
`
`24
`
`25
`
`JASON G. SHEASBY, ESQ.
`
`JSheasby@irell.com
`
` September 5, 2023
`
`RE: NETLIST, INC. vs. MICRON TECHNOLOGY, INC.
`
`AUGUST 30, 2023-BOE HOLBROOK-30(B)(6)-JOB NO.6066631
`
`The above-referenced transcript has been
`
`completed by Veritext Legal Solutions and
`
`review of the transcript is being handled as follows:
`
`__ Per CA State Code (CCP 2025.520 (a)-(e)) – Contact Veritext
`
` to schedule a time to review the original transcript at
`
` a Veritext office.
`
`__ Per CA State Code (CCP 2025.520 (a)-(e)) – Locked .PDF
`
` Transcript - The witness should review the transcript and
`
` make any necessary corrections on the errata pages included
`
` below, notating the page and line number of the corrections.
`
` The witness should then sign and date the errata and penalty
`
` of perjury pages and return the completed pages to all
`
` appearing counsel within the period of time determined at
`
` the deposition or provided by the Code of Civil Procedure.
`
`__ Waiving the CA Code of Civil Procedure per Stipulation of
`
` Counsel - Original transcript to be released for signature
`
` as determined at the deposition.
`
`__ Signature Waived – Reading & Signature was waived at the
`
` time of the deposition.
`
`Veritext Legal Solutions
`Calendar-CA@veritext.com 866-299-5127
`
`Page 182
`
`

`

`Case 2:22-cv-00293-JRG Document 150-2 Filed 09/14/23 Page 17 of 17 PageID #: 12128
`
`1
`
`2
`
`3
`
`4
`
`5
`
`6
`
`7
`
`8
`
`9
`
`10
`
`11
`
`12
`
`13
`
`14
`
`15
`
`16
`
`17
`
`18
`
`19
`
`20
`
`21
`
`22
`
`23
`
`24
`
`25
`
`__ Federal R&S Requested (FRCP 30(e)(1)(B)) – Locked .PDF
`
` Transcript - The witness should review the transcript and
`
` make any necessary corrections on the errata pages included
`
` below, notating the page and line number of the corrections.
`
` The witness should then sign and date the errata and penalty
`
` of perjury pages and return the completed pages to all
`
` appearing counsel within the period of time determined at
`
` the deposition or provided by the Federal Rules.
`
`_X_ Federal R&S Not Requested - Reading & Signature was not
`
` requested before the completion of the deposition.
`
`Veritext Legal Solutions
`Calendar-CA@veritext.com 866-299-5127
`
`Page 183
`
`

`

`Case No. IPR2022-00996
`Patent No. 11,016,918
`
`
`CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
`
`I hereby certify, pursuant to 37 C.F.R. section 42.6, that on October 4, 2023,
`
`a complete copy of the foregoing document PATENT OWNER’S MOTION TO
`
`SUBMIT SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION PURSUANT TO 37 C.F.R.
`
`§42.123(b) and Exhibits 2065-2071 were served by electronic mail, as agreed to
`
`by the parties, upon the following:
`
`Eliot D. Williams, Reg. No. 50,822
`Theodore W. Chandler, Reg. No. 50,319
`Ferenc Pazmandi, Reg. No. 66,216
`Brianna L. Potter, Reg. No. 76,748
`DLSamsungNetlistIPRs@BakerBotts.com
`
`Juan C. Yaquian
`Michael Rueckheim
`Winston-IPR-Netlist@winston.com
`
`
`/Susan M. Langworthy/
` Susan M. Langworthy
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`

This document is available on Docket Alarm but you must sign up to view it.


Or .

Accessing this document will incur an additional charge of $.

After purchase, you can access this document again without charge.

Accept $ Charge
throbber

Still Working On It

This document is taking longer than usual to download. This can happen if we need to contact the court directly to obtain the document and their servers are running slowly.

Give it another minute or two to complete, and then try the refresh button.

throbber

A few More Minutes ... Still Working

It can take up to 5 minutes for us to download a document if the court servers are running slowly.

Thank you for your continued patience.

This document could not be displayed.

We could not find this document within its docket. Please go back to the docket page and check the link. If that does not work, go back to the docket and refresh it to pull the newest information.

Your account does not support viewing this document.

You need a Paid Account to view this document. Click here to change your account type.

Your account does not support viewing this document.

Set your membership status to view this document.

With a Docket Alarm membership, you'll get a whole lot more, including:

  • Up-to-date information for this case.
  • Email alerts whenever there is an update.
  • Full text search for other cases.
  • Get email alerts whenever a new case matches your search.

Become a Member

One Moment Please

The filing “” is large (MB) and is being downloaded.

Please refresh this page in a few minutes to see if the filing has been downloaded. The filing will also be emailed to you when the download completes.

Your document is on its way!

If you do not receive the document in five minutes, contact support at support@docketalarm.com.

Sealed Document

We are unable to display this document, it may be under a court ordered seal.

If you have proper credentials to access the file, you may proceed directly to the court's system using your government issued username and password.


Access Government Site

We are redirecting you
to a mobile optimized page.





Document Unreadable or Corrupt

Refresh this Document
Go to the Docket

We are unable to display this document.

Refresh this Document
Go to the Docket