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`SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS CO., LTD, MICRON TECHNOLOGY, INC.,
`MICRON SEMICONDUCTOR PRODUCTS, INC., and
`MICRON TECHNOLOGY TEXAS LLC
`Petitioner,
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`NETLIST, INC.,
`Patent Owner.
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`Case No. IPR2022-00996
`Patent No. 11,016,918
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`PATENT OWNER’S MOTION TO SUBMIT SUPPLEMENTAL
`INFORMATION PURSUANT TO 37 C.F.R. §42.123(b)
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`TABLE OF CONTENTS
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`Nature of Supplemental Information Sought to be Submitted ..................... 1
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`Relevance of the Supplemental Information ................................................ 2
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`III. The Supplemental Information Could Not Be Obtained Earlier .................. 4
`IV. Admission of the Supplemental Information is in Interest-of-Justice .......... 5
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`TABLE OF AUTHORITIES
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`Cases
`Environment Designs, Ltd. v. Union Oil Co. of Cal.,
`713 F.2d 693, 218 USPQ 865 (Fed. Cir. 1983) .................................................... 3
`Kingston Tech. Co., Inc. v. Spex Techs., Inc.,
`No. IPR2017-01021, Paper 31 (PTAB May 29, 2018) ........................................ 5
`Regulations
`37 C.F.R. §42.123(b) ................................................................................................. 1
`Fed. R. Evid. 801(2) ................................................................................................... 2
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`Netlist respectfully moves to submit the deposition transcript excerpts
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`attached to this motion as supplemental information under 37 C.F.R. §42.123(b).
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`Nature of Supplemental Information Sought to be Submitted
`The supplemental information consists of testimony from Micron’s corporate
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`representative, Boe Holbrook, given in a parallel litigation between Patent Owner
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`and Petitioner Micron in which the ’918 patent is at issue. See Attachment A, 1;
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`EX2071, 1.
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`Mr. Holbrook has been with Micron since 2002 and his title is Senior Manager
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`in the Module Development Group. EX2065, ¶2; see also Attachment A, 10:17-21.
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`In the parallel litigation, Micron designated Mr. Holbrook as its 30(b)(6) corporate
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`representative on over a dozen topics, including non-infringement EX2066, 29
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`(Topic #89); EX2067 (Micron’s counsel designating Mr. Holbrook for Topic #89).
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`In order to testify on “all facts and circumstances” relating to non-infringement of
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`the ’918 patent, Mr. Holbrook reviewed the ’918 patent: “Q. You understand that
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`Micron is accused of infringing a number of Netlist patents in this case. Correct? A.
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`I understand that. Q. And did you review those patents in preparation for your
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`testimony? A. Yes, sir.” Mr. Holbrook testified he led the design of memory
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`modules at Micron: “Q. Is there anyone more senior than you in module
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`development? A. No, sir.” Attachment A, 10:17-19.
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`the operation and structure of DDR5 modules that are covered by the ’918 patent.
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`EX2066, 13 (Topics #14-17); EX2067 (showing Mr. Holbrook was designated for
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`same topics). The testimony is admissible against Samsung under FRE 804(3) for
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`the same reason, coupled with the fact that the statement removes a prior art design
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`in which information is sent in packetized form from the scope of the ’918 patent
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`claims, which harms Mr. Holbrook’s employers’ interest.
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`II. Relevance of the Supplemental Information
` The ’918 patent recites “edge connections configured to couple power, data,
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`address, and control signals between the memory modules and the host system.” See
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`e.g., EX1001, Cl. 1. The Petitioners point to signals transiting from the AMB to the
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`DRAM chips in FBDIMMs as satisfying this element: “A0-A15,” “RAS, CAS, WE,
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`CS”). Pet., 21-25. The claims, however, require the recited signals to pass from the
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`host system to the memory module via the memory module’s edge connections.
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`Samsung’s expert, Dr. Wolf, testified that, across the edge in FBDIMM, “the
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`information is sent to the advanced memory before in the form of serialized packets.”
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`EX2030, 10:7-11. In order to backfill, in its reply Samsung changed arguments and
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`maintained that the serialized packets sent across the edge constitute the required
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`signals. Paper 25, 7-9. In addition to being an improper new argument, it is
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`Mr. Holbrook is not an expert in FBDIMMs, which makes his testimony
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`particularly relevant because the standard is a POSA. See Environment Designs, Ltd.
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`v. Union Oil Co. of Cal., 713 F.2d 693, 218 USPQ 865, 868-69 (Fed. Cir. 1983)
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`person having ordinary skill in the art, “not to the judge, or to a layman, or to those
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`skilled in remote arts, or to geniuses in the art at hand”). Mr. Hobrook satisfies
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`Petitioners’ definition of a POSA at the time of the invention as he was employed
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`with Micron since 2002 as a “Senior Electrical Engineer” working in the field of
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`design/development of memory systems. Pet., 8-9; EX2065, ¶2; EX2070.
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`Consistent with the admissions of Samsung’s expert he testified that signals (which
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`are required by the claims) and encoded data are different:
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`Q. What's the difference between a signal and an encoded
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`A. So a signal, from my understanding, is a single, defined
`signal, a 1 or a 0. Encoded data, group of data, would be a
`group of 1s and 0s that would be encoded by a device.
`Attachment A, 52:13-18.
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`Q. But you understand that there is a difference between
`encoded data and data signals in terms of how you’re
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`A. So how memory devices are controlled on a module in
`respect to FBDIMM, yes, I understand that.
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`At the hearing, Samsung argued that the claims must cover packetized transfer
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`of information as opposed to signals because the specification list a large number of
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`form factors, one of which is FB-DIMM. EX1079, 37. But Mr. Holbrook’s
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`testimony corroborates that “form factor” in this context refers to the shape of the
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`module, not how information is passed, because the claims recite the use of signals
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`which is different from the packets used to supply AMBs. Mr. Holbrook’s testimony
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`also corroborates the specification, which makes no provision for an AMD-like
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`structure that can convert packetized information to signals, but in all discussions
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`describes signals passing across the edge that need not be decoded or converted.
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`EX1001, 22:1-6 (described “standard DIMM interface 1022” of FIG. 12).
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`III. The Supplemental Information Could Not Be Obtained Earlier
`Mr. Holbrook was not made available to testify until August 30, 2023
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`(EX2068), and therefore the information could not have been obtained earlier.
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`Netlist served its 30(b)(6) notice on May 15, 2023. EX2066. Micron did not respond
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`to Netlist’s notice until June 27, 2023, merely objecting to each of Netlist’s topics
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`without designating a single witness. Micron finally provided Mr. Holbrook’s
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`availability for deposition on August 3, 2023, informing Netlist that Mr. Holbrook
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`would not be available for deposition until August 30, 2023. Micron did not provide
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`its final designations for its 30(b)(6) witnesses until August 9, 2023—nearly 3
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`months after Netlist served its 30(b)(6) notice. EX2067.
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`After the deposition, Micron further delayed by improperly designating the
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`entire transcript as confidential under the district court’s protective order. The next
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`day, Netlist asked for the relevant testimony be de-designated (EX2069). Netlist
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`further acted diligently in expediently raising this issue with the Board on September
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`5, 2023 (EX3002) after Micron’s delay in de-designating the relevant testimony.
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`To the extent Samsung argues that Netlist should have sought discovery from
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`Mr. Holbrook in the IPR, this was an impossibility as he was not designated to
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`provide testimony on non-infringement of the patents (and thus Micron’s
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`understanding of the patents) until August 9, 2023.
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`IV. Admission of the Supplemental Information is in Interest-of-Justice
`As the Board has recognized in past cases, evidence that a party has taken
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`inconsistent positions on the same issues here and in related district court litigation
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`is relevant to the Board’s determination and should be considered in the interests-
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`of-justice. See, e.g., Kingston Tech. Co., Inc. v. Spex Techs., Inc., No. IPR2017-
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`01021, Paper 31, at 2, 4-5 (PTAB May 29, 2018).
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`Here, Samsung itself has submitted and relied on evidence from parallel
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`district court proceedings. See, e.g., EX1071-1073, EX1077; Pet., 9, 27, 40, 69, 73,
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`Respectfully submitted,
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`By /Jonathan Lindsay/
`H. Annita Zhong (Reg. No. 66,530)
`Jonathan Lindsay (Reg. No. 45,810)
`Jason Sheasby (pro hac vice)
`IRELL & MANELLA LLP
`1800 Avenue of the Stars, Suite 900
`Los Angeles, CA 90067
`Tel: (310) 277-1010
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` NETLIST, INC.,
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` Plaintiff,
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` vs. No. 2:22-cv-203-JRG-RSP
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` REMOTE VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF
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` BOE HOLBROOK
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` 30(B)(6) DESIGNEE, MICRON
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` REPORTED BY: HOLLY THUMAN, CSR No. 6834, RMR, CRR
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` JOB NUMBER 6066631
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` FOR THE PLAINTIFF:
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` IRELL & MANELLA LLP
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` Exhibit 1 JEDEC Standard JESD82-31A, August 16
` 2019 (SAM-NET00332467 through -665)
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` Exhibit 2 JEDEC Standard JESD82-32A, August 17
` 2019 (MICNL203-00012556 through -755)
` Exhibit 3 Micron document, "3-Dimensional Stack 37
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` Exhibit 5 Micron document "DDR4 SDRAM LRDIMM" 55
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` Exhibit 6 Micron document, "DDR5 SDRAM RDIMM 91
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` Exhibit 8 Micron document, "DDR5 SDRAM SODIMM 90
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` Exhibit 14 Presentation deck, "Micron/Netlist 112
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` Exhibit 20 Document marked as Exhibit 19, with 126
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` Exhibit 23 Presentation deck, "Micron/Netlist 142
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` Exhibit 25 Minutes of Meeting No. 164, JC-40 144
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` Exhibit 26 Richtek document, "DDR5 VR on DIMM 148
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` Exhibit 27 Minutes of Meeting No. 193, JC-40 156
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`RE: NETLIST, INC. vs. MICRON TECHNOLOGY, INC.
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`Patent No. 11,016,918
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`Eliot D. Williams, Reg. No. 50,822
`Theodore W. Chandler, Reg. No. 50,319
`Ferenc Pazmandi, Reg. No. 66,216
`Brianna L. Potter, Reg. No. 76,748
`DLSamsungNetlistIPRs@BakerBotts.com
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