` UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
` BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`HEWLETT PACKARD ENTERPRISE )
`CO., ARUBA NETWORKS, LLC, )
`APPLE INC., )
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` Petitioner, ) No: IPR2022-00426
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` vs. ) U.S. PATENT NO.
` ) 8,761, 804 B2
`BILLJCO LLC, )
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` Patent Owner. )
`_______________________________)
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` ZOOM DEPOSITION OF DR. DARRELL D.E. LONG
` (All parties appearing remotely.)
` SEPTEMBER 29, 2022
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`REPORTED BY: CHRISTINA M. LOPEZ, CSR NO. 13048
`FILE NO.: 875415
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` A. That's an approximation, sure.
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` Q. Yeah. So what's an example -- but you said
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`physics are the same?
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` A. The physics are the -- the physics are the
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`same. The physics are the same. I'm transmitting some 10:35:06AM
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`energy. Let's assume it's in the radio spectrums.
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` Can we confine ourselves to the radio
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`spectrum?
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` Q. Sure.
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` A. If I'm broadcasting energy in the radio 10:35:14AM
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`spectrum, I'm broadcasting energy in the radio spectrum.
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`Okay. It can be directional or nondirectional. Agree
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`with that? It could be periodic or it could be
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`continuous, also agree?
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` Q. Sure. 10:35:28AM
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` A. Okay. So that leaves us with the content of
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`the radio communication and its use, what its -- what
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`its intended use is. If I'm intending to beacon some
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`information to a receiver, then I would call it a
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`beacon. If I'm broadcasting the Jay Leno show, I would 10:35:51AM
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`call -- I would call it broadcasting.
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` That being said, if I do something that wasn't
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`the intended use, go back to, you know, Putin blowing up
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`TV towers, we could view those TV towers for the
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`purposes of geolocation as beacons. We have, and I'm 10:36:12AM
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