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Before The Patent Trial And Appeal Board
`Oral Hearing
`April 21, 2023
`
`RFCyber’s Presentation
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`IPR2022-00412: U.S. 9,189,787
`IPR2022-00413: U.S. 9,240,009
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`1
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`Mr. Gomez is a Qualified Expert
`Level Of Skill
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`IPR2022-00412
`Paper No. 15, 10
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`IPR2022-00412,
`Paper No. 1, 11
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`2
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`Mr. Gomez is a Qualified Expert
`Level Of Skill
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`IPR2022-00412
`Paper No. 16, 7
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`IPR2022-00413,
`Paper No. 1, 9
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`3
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`Mr. Gomez is a Qualified Expert
`Apple’s Level Of Skill is Incorrect
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`IPR2022-00412
`Ex. 1001 (‘787 Patent), Abstract
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`IPR2022-00413
`Ex. 1001 (‘009 Patent), Abstract
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`4
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`Mr. Gomez is a Qualified Expert
`Apple’s Level Of Skill is Incorrect
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`IPR2022-00412
`Ex. 1001 (‘787 Patent), Fig. 1A
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`5
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`IPR2022-00412
`Ex. 1001 (‘787 Patent), Cl. 1
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`Mr. Gomez is a Qualified Expert
`Apple’s Level Of Skill is Incorrect
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`IPR2022-00413
`Ex. 1001 (‘009 Patent), 6:26-32
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`6
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`IPR2022-00413
`Ex. 1001 (‘009 Patent), Cl. 1
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`Mr. Gomez is a Qualified Expert
`Apple’s Level Of Skill is Incorrect
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`IPR2022-00412
`Ex. 1003 (Smith Decl.), ¶ 28
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`7
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`Mr. Gomez is a Qualified Expert
`Mr. Gomez meets Apple’s definition
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`Ex. 1041 (Gomez Dep.), 14:1-6
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`Ex. 1041 (Gomez Dep.), 14:19-24
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`8
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`U.S. Patent No. 9,189,787
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`9
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`’787 Patent
`Personalizing a Card Stored in a Portable Device
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`Ex. 1001 (’787 Patent), 1:23-24
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`Ex. 1001 (’787 Patent), 1:33-43
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`10
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`’787 Patent Solution
`Midlet Facilitates Communication
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`11
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`Ex. 1001 (’787 Patent), Fig. 2
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`No motivation to combine Dua and GP
`Dua aims to leverage SIP
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`Ex. 1004 (Dua), [0051]
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`12
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`No motivation to combine Dua and GP
`Dua discloses only SIP-based communications
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`Ex. 2009 (Smith Dep.), 61:18-62:3
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`Ex. 1004 (Dua), [0042]
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`13
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`No motivation to combine Dua and GP
`SIP-Like Functionality is key to Dua
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`Ex. 1004 (Dua), [0178]
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`Ex. 1004 (Dua), [0020]
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`Ex. 2007 (Gomez Decl.), 58
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`14
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`No motivation to combine Dua and GP
`Dua does not suggest removing SIP
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`Ex. 2007 (Gomez Decl.), 56
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`Ex. 1004 (Dua), [0050]
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`15
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`No motivation to combine Dua and GP
`Dua does not suggest removing SIP
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`Ex. 2009 (Smith Dep.), 43:4-15
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`Ex. 2009 (Smith Dep.), 65:5-10.
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`Ex. 2009 (Smith Dep.), 42:24-25.
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`16
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`No motivation to combine Dua and GP
`Adding GlobalPlatform is Redundant
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`Ex. 1004 (Dua), [0178]
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`Ex. 2007 (Gomez Decl.), 60
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`17
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`No motivation to combine Dua and GP
`Dua Does Not Suggest GlobalPlatform
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`Ex. 1004 (Dua), [0013]
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`Ex. 2003 (EMV Spec.), 5
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`Ex. 1004 (Dua), [0525]
`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`18
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`No motivation to combine Dua and GP
`Dua Does Not Suggest JavaCard
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`Ex. 1004 (Dua), [0216]
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`Ex. 1004 (Dua),[0500]
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`19
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`No motivation to combine Dua and GP
`Unpredictable Field at the Time of the Invention
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`Ex. 2009 (Smith Dep.), 96:13-25
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`Ex. 2009 (Smith Dep.), 97:1-13
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`Ex. 2009 (Smith Dep.), 93:8-23
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`20
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`No motivation to combine Dua and GP
`Apple’s New Theory
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`Reply, 9.
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`[The Petition] did not address the specific mechanisms used
`to construct endpoint-to-endpoint connections because the
`claims do not require this.
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`Reply, 9.
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`21
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`“Emulator for storing … updated transaction logs”
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`No reference discloses transaction logs
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`Ex. 1001 (’787 Patent), cl. 1
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`Ex. 2009 (Smith Dep), 84:12-23
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`22
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`“Emulator for storing … updated transaction logs”
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`Smart Card Handbook
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`Ex. 1008 (Smart Card Handbook), 692
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`Ex. 1008 (Smart Card Handbook), 486
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`23
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`“emulator [is] personalized”
`No Evidence of Personalization
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`Ex. 1012 (Philips), 3
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`Ex. 2007 (Gomez Dec.), 87
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`Ex. 2007 (Gomez Dec.), 88
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`24
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`two “security channel[s]”
`TLS and S/MIME Are One Security Channel
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`Ex. 1001 (‘787 Patent), cl. 1
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`Ex. 1004 (Dua), [0209]
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`Ex. 1004 (Dua), [0212]
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`25
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`two “security channel[s]
`No channel for transactions in Dua/Philips
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`Ex. 1004 (Dua), [0212]
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`Ex. 2007 (Gomez Dec.), par. 95
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`26
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`two “security channel[s]
`Apple Takes Inconsistent Positions on S/MIME
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`Paper 18, 10
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`Paper 18, 20
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`27
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`Performing m-commerce against a fund stored in the emulator
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`“Against a Fund Stored In the Emulator”
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`Ex. 1001 (‘787 Patent), cl. 1
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`Ex. 1004 (Dua), [0323]
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`28
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`Performing m-commerce against a fund stored in the emulator
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`“Against a Fund Stored In the Emulator”
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`Ex. 1001 (‘787 Patent), cl. 1
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`Ex. 1004 (Dua), [0323]
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`Ex. 1012 (Philips), 3
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`29
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`“security authentication module” (cl. 6 & 16)
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`Ex. 1001 (’787 Patent), 9:28-37
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`Ex. 1001 (’787 Patent), 8:49-67
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`30
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`“security authentication module”
`Apple Identifies the WCM as the SAM
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`Paper No. 1, 55
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`31
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`“security authentication module”
`Apple’s expert
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`Ex. 2009 (Smith Dep.), 79:13-17
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`Ex. 2009 (Smith Dep.), 74:6-15
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`32
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`“security authentication module”
`Apple Identifies the ICMS as the payment server
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`Paper No. 1, 42
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`Ex. 2009 (Smith Dep.), 79:13-17
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`33
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`Philips
`Apple’s evidence was available at the time of the Petition
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`*
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`*
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`*
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`Paper No. 18, 4-5
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`34
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`U.S. Patent No. 9,240,009
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`35
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`U.S. Patent No. 9,240,009
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`Ex. 1001 (’009 Patent), 1:18-24
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`Ex. 1001 (’009 Patent), 2:9-19
`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`36
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`U.S. Patent No. 9,240,009
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`Ex. 1001 (’009 Patent),
`Fig. 2F (Annotated)
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`Ex. 1001 (’009 Patent),
`Fig. 3B (Annotated)
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`37
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`“secure element”
`Not All Smart Cards are Secure Elements
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`Ex. 1042 (’009 Patent FH), 239
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`Ex. 1001 (’009 Patent) 6:26-32
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`Ex. 1001 (’009 Patent) 6:61-64
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`38
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`“secure element”
`Not All Smart Cards are Secure Elements
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`Ex. 1042 (’009 Patent FH), 239
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`Ex. 1001 (’009 Patent) 6:26-32
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`Ex. 1001 (’009 Patent) 6:61-64
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`39
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`“secure element”
`No showing of tamper-resistance or heightened security
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`Ex. 1045 (Gomez Dep.), 52:21-53:1
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`Ex. 1003 (Smith Dec.), par. 100
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`40
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`“secure element”
`Apple’s New Argument
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`Ex. 1001 (‘009 Patent), 24:16-36
`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`41
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`“prepare data”
`Prepare requires active role
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`Ex. 1001 (‘009 Patent), 13:22-34
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`Ex. 1001 (‘009 Patent), 24:16-36
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`42
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`“prepare data”
`Dua
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`Ex. 1004 (Dua), [0063]
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`Ex. 1004 (Dua), [0057]
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`43
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`“prepare data”
`GlobalPlatform
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`Paper No. 1, 27; Ex. 1003, par. 148
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`Ex. 1001 (‘009 Patent), 9:11-13.
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`44
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`“prepare data”
`GlobalPlatform
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`Paper No. 1, 27; Ex. 1003, par. 148
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`Paper No. 1, 23.
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`45
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`“prepare data”
`GlobalPlatform
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`Ex. 1006 (GlobalPlatform), 88
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`Ex. 1006 (GlobalPlatform), 92
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`46
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`Claim 16
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`Ex. 1001 (‘009 Patent), 26:40-46
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`47
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`Claim 16
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`Ex. 1004 (Dua), [0345]
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`Ex. 1004 (Dua), [0351]
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`DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT EVIDENCE
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`48
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