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` UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
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` BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`ADVANCED ENERGY INDUSTRIES INC.,
`PETITIONER,
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`V.
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`RENO TECHNOLOGIES INC.,
`PATENT OWNER.
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`Case IPR2021-01397
`Patent 10,707,057
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`HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL
`ATTORNEYS EYES ONLY
`August 10, 2022
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`Videotaped deposition of JOHN VOLTZ,
` taken via Zoom, beginning at 10:17 a.m.,
` before LINDA ROSSI-RIOS, a Federally Approved
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` COURT REPORTER: The attorneys
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` VIDEOGRAPHER: We are now on the
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` My name is David Nordheimer,
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` representing Veritext. The date today
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` is August 10, 2022, and the time is
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` This deposition is being held
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` virtually via Zoom and -- Mr. Voltz
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` what city are you physically located in
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` THE WITNESS: Lahaska,
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` Pennsylvania.
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` VIDEOGRAPHER: Lahaska. The
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` witness is in Lahaska, Pennsylvania.
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` This deposition is being taken by
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` counsel for the petitioner.
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` The caption of the case is
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` Advanced Energy Industries,
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` Incorporated, Petitioner, versus Reno
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` Technologies, Incorporated, Patent
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` Owner. The case is being held before
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` The Patent Trial and Appeal Board of
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` the United States Patent and Trademark
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` Office. Case Number IPR 2021-01397,
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` Patent 10,707,057.
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` The name of the witness is John
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` At this time, the attorneys
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` MR. MURPHY: This is James
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` Murphy, Polsinelli PC. I represent
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` Advanced Centering Industries. And on
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` the call with me is my partner Greg
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` Durbin, also with Polsinelli PC.
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` MR. LESOVITZ: This is Jeff
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` MR. MILLER: Joe Miller,
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` MR. WALTER: This is Alan
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` VIDEOGRAPHER: Our court
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` THE WITNESS: James, I can't see
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` MR. MURPHY: Let me see if I can
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` turn on the Teams one.
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` Just for the record, we're
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` Mr. Voltz, I'm not sure if I can
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` it's the same problem Jeff was having a
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` Do you need to see me on the
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` MR. MURPHY: Okay. Then I guess
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` THE WITNESS: Okay. Thanks
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` BY MR. MURPHY:
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` Q. So are you good to have your
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` Q. Have you ever had your deposition
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` Q. How many times have you been
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` Q. Do you have a rough estimate?
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` Q. So for the three to five
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` Q. What did you do to prepare for
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` Q. How much time did you spend
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` James, let me clarify, are you
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` Q. And how long were those meetings
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` THE WITNESS: I don't think I
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` Q. Was it more than a few hours
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` Q. So you have no idea how much
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` A. What you asked me --
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` MR. LESOVITZ: Objection. Asked
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` THE WITNESS: I'm sorry?
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` MR. LESOVITZ: Objection. Asked
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` A. What exactly is the question,
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` Q. You don't know how long you met
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` A. Yes, I do.
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` Q. How long did you meet with Jeff,
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` A. About three hours. It wasn't
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` Q. And then how long did you meet
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` Q. Who contacted you to prepare a
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` MR. LESOVITZ: Objection.
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` MR. MURPHY: What is the
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` MR. LESOVITZ: To the extent he
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` MR. MURPHY: The fact that he
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` MR. MURPHY: I'll try to
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` A. I believe it was Alan Walter who
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` Q. What did Alan Walter ask you to
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` MR. LESOVITZ: Objection.
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` MR. MURPHY: And what is the
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` BY MR. MURPHY:
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` A. His name is Alan Walter, and no.
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` Q. I apologize. Is Mr. Walter your
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` Same objection, privileged. If there
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` Q. When you reviewed that document,
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` MR. MURPHY: Sure.
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` Corporation. Mattson Technology. Genus,
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` Incorporated. Matrix Integrated Systems.
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` Silicon Valley Group.
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` A. Not that I know of.
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` Q. Are you aware if you have any
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` Q. What was your job role at Reno
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` Q. And were you in charge of all of
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` A. Yes.
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` Q. What was Reno Sub-Systems sales
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` Q. It doesn't need to be precisely,
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` A. No, I don't.
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` Q. Did you have a sales team?
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