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`APPLE INC., :
` Petitioner, :Case Nos.:
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` Deposition of
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` Deposition of JEREMY COOPERSTOCK, Ph.D.,
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` A P P E A R A N C E S
`ON BEHALF OF THE PETITIONER, APPLE INC.:
` SETH M. SPROUL, ESQUIRE
` KIM LEUNG, ESQUIRE
` FISH & RICHARDSON, P.C.
` 12860 El Camino Real
` Suite 400
` San Diego, CA 92130
` (858) 678-5070
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` ANDREW B. PATRICK, ESQUIRE
` FISH & RICHARDSON, P.C.
` 1000 Maine Avenue SW
` Washington, D.C. 20024
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` A P P E A R A N C E S (continued)
`ON BEHALF OF THE PATENT OWNER, GUI GLOBAL
`PRODUCTS, LTD.:
` TAREK FAHMI, ESQUIRE
` ASCENDA LAW GROUP, P.C.
` 2150 N. First Street
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` San Jose, CA 95131
` (866) 877-4883
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` JOHN J. EDMONDS, ESQUIRE
` EDMONDS & SCHLATHER, PLLC
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` C O N T E N T S
`EXAMINATION OF JEREMY COOPERSTOCK, Ph.D. PAGE
` By Mr. Fahmi 6
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` E X H I B I T S
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`COOPERSTOCK DEPOSITION EXHIBIT PAGE
`Exhibit 1003 Declaration of Dr. Jeremy 12
` Cooperstock, U.S. Patent
` No. 10,589,320
`Exhibit 1005 U.S. Patent Application 27
` Publication, Gundlach, et al.
`Exhibit 1006 U.S. Patent, Lee, et al., U.S. 39
` Patent No. 7,548,040 B2
`Exhibit 1020 Powermat webpages 76
`Exhibit 1010 U.S. Patent Application 82
` Publication, Mak-Fan, et al.
`Exhibit 1001 U.S. Patent, Mayfield, et al., 89
` Patent No. 10,589,320 B1
`Exhibit 1003 Declaration of Dr. Jeremy 103
` Cooperstock, U.S. Patent
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` THE REPORTER: Will counsel please
`stipulate that in lieu of formally swearing in the
`witness, I will instead ask the witness to
`acknowledge that their testimony will be true
`under the penalties of perjury, that counsel will
`not object to the admissibility of the transcript
`based on proceeding in this way, and that the
`witness has verified that they are, in fact,
`Jeremy Cooperstock, Ph.D.?
` MR. FAHMI: That's so stipulated for the
`Patent Owner.
` MR. SPROUL: Same for the Petitioner.
` THE REPORTER: Thank you.
` Dr. Cooperstock, do you hereby
`acknowledge that your testimony will be true under
`the penalties of perjury?
` THE WITNESS: I do.
` THE REPORTER: Thank you.
` All set, Counsel.
` DIRECT EXAMINATION BY COUNSEL FOR THE
` PATENT OWNER,
` GUI GLOBAL PRODUCTS, LTD.
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`BY MR. FAHMI:
` Q Would you state your name for the
`record, please.
` A Jeremy Cooperstock.
` Q Good morning, Dr. Cooperstock. My name
`is Tarek Fahmi, and I represent the patent owner,
`GUI Global Products.
` We're here this morning for your
`deposition in connection with four proceedings
`before the U.S. Patent Office. They are Inter
`Partes Review Nos. 2021-00470, -00471, -00472, and
`-00473.
` Do you understand that?
` A Yes, I do.
` Q And do you understand that the same
`transcript for the deposition is going to be used
`in all of those proceedings?
` A Okay.
` Q Have you ever given deposition testimony
`before, sir?
` A Yes, I have.
` Q So you've probably heard these
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`admonitions. But just so that we're on the same
`page, I'll be asking questions, you'll be
`providing answers. But if any of my questions are
`unclear, please don't hesitate to ask me for
`clarification. I'll do the best I can to clarify
`the question. Okay?
` A Very good.
` Q And by the same token, if -- if you
`answer a question, but you haven't asked for
`clarification, I'm going to assume that you're
`answering the question that I've asked. All
`right?
` A Understood.
` Q And as you're doing now, please, if you
`can wait to give your answer until I've finished
`asking the question, I'll try to make sure I do
`the same and wait until you've finished giving
`your answer before I speak again. And that makes
`the court reporter's job much easier. She only
`has to take down what one person is saying at a
`time. All right?
` A Confirmed.
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` Just want to note, there's a fair bit of
`background noise. I don't know if it's paper
`shuffling or something that's being picked up by
`the microphone.
` Q Okay. Not sure where that would be
`coming from, but if it becomes a problem, just let
`me know. I can always repeat a question.
` THE WITNESS: Are you hearing that sort
`of --
` MR. SPROUL: Just a little feedback, it
`seems --
` THE WITNESS: Yeah.
` MR. SPROUL: -- when he talks, but --
` THE WITNESS: Yeah.
` Q All right. Well, let me know if it's
`masking any questions. I'll do the best I can to
`make sure it doesn't.
` Is there anybody in the room with you
`today?
` A Yes.
` Q Who is that?
` A Seth Sproul.
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` Q That's counsel for Apple. Is that
`right?
` A That is correct.
` Q Okay. Do you understand that under the
`rules of the Patent Trial and Appeal Board, you're
`not to have any discussions with counsel or anyone
`else regarding the substance of your testimony
`while I am asking questions?
` A I understand that.
` Q Did you do any preparation for today's
`deposition?
` A Yes, I did.
` Q What was that?
` A I --
` MR. SPROUL: Can I just caution the
`witness not to reveal conversations with the
`lawyers. But otherwise, he can answer that.
` A I reread my declarations. I read
`through the IPR relevant prior art, and the POPR
`and the institution decisions, and I discussed the
`materials with counsel.
` Q How much time would you say you spent
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`preparing for your deposition?
` A In the order of about 25 hours.
` Q And when was that?
` A Between last Friday and yesterday.
` Q Do you have any materials in the room
`with you today?
` A I have the printouts of the IPR
`petition, the POPR, the institution decision, the
`patent, my declaration, and several of the prior
`art references for each of the four patents.
` Q Okay. Are there any notes on any of
`those materials?
` A Not that I've seen.
` Q You're welcome to refer to the materials
`if you need to in order to answer any questions.
`I'd just ask that you let us know that you are
`making that reference. Okay?
` A Very good.
` Q We talked about breaks before we came on
`the record. If -- if you need to take a break at
`any time, just let me know. Happy to do so. All
`I ask is that if there's a question pending, you
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`please answer that question before we take the
`break. Okay?
` A Understood.
` Q Do you have any questions before we
`begin?
` A No, I do not.
` Q All right. Let's turn, please, to your
`declaration that was submitted in connection with
`IPR 2021-00473. That's the '320 patent. And it's
`Exhibit 1003 for that IPR.
` MR. FAHMI: And, Gabriel, if you could
`put that on the screen please.
` (COOPERSTOCK Exhibit 1003 was marked for
`identification.)
` Q And I think you said you have a copy of
`this with you, Dr. Cooperstock. Is that right?
` A Yes, I do.
` Q Okay. And you recognize the exhibit?
` A Yes, I do.
` Q And it's a copy of your declaration that
`was submitted in connection with this IPR. Is
`that correct?
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` A This is a copy of my declaration that
`was submitted in association with the IPR
`regarding Patent 10,589,320.
` Q At Paragraphs 7 through 10, on Pages, I
`guess, 5 through 7, you've given us a short
`precise of your background here. Is that right?
` A That is correct.
` Q In -- in your work and experience, have
`you ever had occasion to design systems involving
`inductive charging?
` A I'm not sure.
` Q Have you ever had occasion in your
`experience or work to design systems where one
`battery charges another battery?
` A Yes.
` Q And what was that?
` A That would have been work on our haptic
`footwear.
` Q What was the haptic footwear you're
`referring to?
` A These are sets of shoes that have
`actuators that we've embedded in the soles as well
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`as sensors and a microcontroller operated by a
`LiPo battery. And we have an external battery
`source that provides recharging for the LiPos in
`the shoes.
` Q Sorry. You're saying LiPos. Is that
`L-I-P-O-S?
` A Yes, S is the plural. So they're
`lithium polymer, L-i-P-o, and batteries.
` Q How is the charging accomplished?
` A There is a charging circuit or a
`charging controller that couples the external
`battery to the LiPo battery.
` Q What sort of coupling is it?
` A That's a conductive coupling.
` Q And what do you mean by "a conductive
`coupling"?
` A The wires from the external battery or
`wires connected to the external battery go to the
`battery charging controller, and the battery
`charging controller has wires that connect to the
`LiPo batteries.
` Q When was this work done?
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` A It's ongoing. Started it several years
`ago.
` Q Is that being done through McGill
`University?
` A That is correct.
` Q Have any commercial products resulted
`from that work yet?
` A None that I'm aware of.
` Q Is there any publicly available
`information concerning this project that you're
`working on?
` A I believe just a program on Discovery
`Channel.
` Q That was aired on television. Is that
`right?
` A That's correct.
` Q Was that only in Canada or was it also
`in the United States?
` A I don't know.
` Q When was that aired? Do you know?
` A That was a few years ago. I don't
`recall the exact date.
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` Q Any published papers on the project?
` A Yes, but not on the specific of the
`footwear.
` Q Are you working with others on the
`project?
` A Yes.
` Q Are they colleagues at McGill
`University?
` A No.
` Q Is it a commercial company you're
`working with?
` A I was working with a commercial company.
` Q Which company was that?
` A InterDigital.
` Q Are they no longer involved in the
`project?
` A The project had a duration of three
`years, I believe, and we ended that recently.
` Q Are you continuing the research?
` A Yes, I am.
` Q Looked like Mr. Sproul stepped away for
`a moment, so let's wait until he gets back.
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` MR. SPROUL: Just grabbing a tissue, so
`you're welcome to continue if I step away.
` MR. FAHMI: Thank you.
` MR. SPROUL: I'll let you know if I'm,
`for some reason, out of commission, but I can
`still hear as I walk away.
` MR. FAHMI: Okay. Thank you.
` Q All right. You mentioned that there was
`a charging circuit involved with this project. Is
`that right?
` A That is correct.
` Q Can you describe that charging circuit
`please.
` A It's an off-the-shelf charging
`controller.
` Q By "off-the-shelf," you mean that you
`purchased it ready-made and -- is that right?
` A That is correct.
` Q Did you modify it in any way for use in
`the project?
` A No, we did not.
` Q Does that charging circuit include an
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`inverter?
` A I would have to look at the schematics
`to be sure.
` Q Do you know whether the charging circuit
`includes a rectifier?
` A I would, again, have to look at the
`schematics to be sure.
` Q Do you know the name of the company that
`makes the charging circuit?
` A I would have to refer back to my
`documentation.
` Q Do you have anything with you today in
`the room that would include that information?
` A I believe so.
` Q And what's that?
` A My computer.
` Q Could you take a look, please, at your
`materials and tell us the name of the company that
`makes the charging circuit.
` A Okay.
` MR. SPROUL: I'm going to object to
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` Q Looks like you're not having any luck
`finding it.
` A No, not yet.
` Q That's all right. Thank you for trying,
`though.
` A Okay.
` Q Is the charging circuit located inside
`the shoe?
` A Ideally, but we have it external at
`present.
` Q Can you estimate how large the charging
`circuit is?
` A Probably about 5 by 7 by 1 to
`2 millimeters.
` Q 5 millimeters by 7 millimeters?
` A Approximately.
` Q Is there any reason you haven't yet
`integrated it inside the shoe?
` A Fragility.
` Q Let's turn to Paragraph 20 of your
`declaration please.
` Here, you're commenting on the person of
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`ordinary skill in the art. Is that right?
` A That's correct.
` Q And you give us some information
`regarding the educational background of that
`individual. Correct?
` A Yes, that's correct.
` Q And also indicate that the person would
`have at least two years' experience in the field
`working with electronic devices. Is that right?
` A Superior education could compensate for
`a deficiency in work experience. But otherwise,
`yes.
` Q What -- what kind of education are you
`referring to?
` A Beyond a bachelor's degree.
` Q So post-graduate work such as a master's
`degree? Is that what you're referring to?
` A Yes, that's an example.
` Q How did you arrive at this definition
`for the person of ordinary skill?
` A I considered the relevant knowledge that
`is associated with the claims in the patent and
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`Transcript of Jeremy Cooperstock, Ph.D.
`Conducted on November 19, 2021
`considered what sort of background, education and
`industrial, would be relevant to somebody who was
`working in that field.
` Q What relevant knowledge are you
`referring to?
` A Well, the relevant knowledge that would
`be associated with the design and development,
`implementation of electronic devices, switching
`devices, use of magnets in such devices.
` Q What do you mean by "switching devices"
`in that context?
` MR. SPROUL: Counsel, the COVID test is
`here. You've got a question pending.
` MR. FAHMI: Yeah. Let -- let's go off
`the record and I'll repeat the question when we
`come back on.
` MR. SPROUL: Okay. Thank you.
` (Whereupon, there was a recess in the
`proceedings.)
` MR. SPROUL: Kim Leung has joined us in
`the room, so she's now present physically with us.
` MR. FAHMI: Thank you.
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`BY MR. FAHMI:
` Q Dr. Cooperstock, did you discuss the
`substance of your testimony with anyone during our
`short break?
` A Not at all.
` Q Before we broke, I asked, what did you
`mean by a "switching device" in the context of
`your earlier answer?
` MR. SPROUL: Objection to form.
` A By "switching device," I'm referring to
`a device that activates a switch.
` Q What do you mean by "activate"?
` A Sorry. Can you repeat the question?
` Q Yes.
` What do you mean by "activate"?
` A I think that's a -- not a technical
`term. You know, to make something active.
`Well-understood by people outside of the field as
`well as a POSITA.
` Q How do you make a switch active?
` MR. SPROUL: Objection to form.
` A Well, as one example that I've described
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`in my declaration, one can activate a switch by
`having the switch close contacts.
` Q Any other ways?
` MR. SPROUL: Objection to form.
` A So there's quite a bit of discussion in
`my declaration about activating of switches. In
`order to help me focus on what specifically
`you're -- you're asking about in terms of
`examples, could you point me to the -- the
`paragraph or set of paragraphs in my declaration
`that you're -- you're inquiring about?
` Q I wasn't asking about your declaration.
`I was simply following up on one of your answers.
` I think you indicated that the person of
`ordinary skill would be knowledgeable about
`switching devices. I asked you what that meant.
`You said it was something that activated a switch.
`So I'm asking how you activate a switch.
` A Right. And I provided you an example.
` Q And -- and what were you referring to in
`your declaration with that example?
` A I don't understand your question.
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` Q Oh. Well, when I asked that question,
`you spent some time reviewing your declaration.
`And then you -- then you answered the question by
`saying, as I explained in my declaration, you can
`activate a switch by closing contacts.
` So I was wondering where that is in your
`declaration.
` A So I was referring to the general
`context of the discussion in Paragraph 50 of my
`declaration.
` Q Thanks.
` Let's go back to Paragraph 20. At the
`beginning of the paragraph, you say that, Based on
`my knowledge and experience in the field.
` Do you see that?
` A I do.
` Q Which field are you referring to?
` A I'm referring to the field fairly
`generally in terms of electronic device design and
`implementation, and design of such devices that
`make use of magnets or magnetic force.
` Q And is that the same field that the
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`person of ordinary skill would have the work
`experience in that's referenced later in the
`paragraph?
` A The experience that I'm using for
`constituting the basis of a person of ordinary
`skill in the art is somebody who has the
`background in these areas as I've described,
`electrical engineering, mechanical engineering or
`similar discipline, and at least two years of
`experience working in the field, and where the
`field is involving the design and implementation
`of such devices.
` Q When you say "such devices," you mean
`electronic devices?
` A That's correct.
` Q And what does "electronic devices" mean
`in that context?
` A Well, electronics involves transistors
`and transistors embedded in circuits, miniature
`form factors.
` Q In your declaration, did you offer any
`explicit claim constructions?
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` A From what I recall, I offer the sort of
`obvious interpretations of the claim language.
` Q What do you mean by the "obvious
`interpretations"?
` A As an example, when we were talking
`about activating a switch and I referred to, in
`Paragraph 50, that:
` "Switching device" is not a widely-used
`term of art, Lee's disclosure of a device that
`activates a switch is consistent with a POSITA's
`reasonable understanding of the term.
` Q Why do you say that "switching device"
`is not a term of art?
` A I said it's not a widely-used term of
`art.
` Q Sorry. Why is it not -- why, in your
`view, is it not a widely-used term of art?
` A Well, I haven't come across that term in
`my studies.
` Q Sorry. Going back to Paragraph 20 for a
`second, is -- is it the same person of ordinary
`skill in the art for the '320 patent as would be
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`for the '020, '021, and '077 patents, the other
`patents for which you provided declarations?
` MR. SPROUL: Object to form.
` A Well, I note that I have a typo in the
`'320. I omitted the word -- or the two words "a
`POSITA" in the second line. So it should read, I
`believe a POSITA would have had.
` But otherwise, at least with respect to
`the '020, I put forward as -- I put forward the
`same definition of a person of ordinary skill in
`the art.
` Q Okay. Let's take a look at a different
`exhibit. Let's look at Gundlach. This is
`Exhibit 1005 in IPR 2021-00473.
` (COOPERSTOCK Exhibit 1005 was marked for
`identification.)
` Q And I don't know if you have a copy with
`you, Dr. Cooperstock, but you're welcome to refer
`to that version as opposed to the one on the
`screen if it's easier.
` A Thank you.
` Q And I'm, in particular, going to be
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`asking about Figure 18b.
` And I understand you offered testimony
`concerning this Gundlach reference in connection
`with the '021 patent, the '077 patent, and the
`'320 patent. Is that right?
` A That's right.
` Q Okay. Let's take a look at Figure 18b.
`And I think this shows a headset at 1800. Is that
`right?
` A Gundlach refers to Element 1800 more
`generally as a wireless device.
` Q Okay. A wireless device that's meant to
`be worn in a person's ear. Is that correct?
` A Well, as Gundlach describes, the
`exemplary -- in an exemplary embodiment, the
`ear -- the device may have an articulating
`earpiece, that, when expanded, may fit into or
`over the ear.
` Q Where are you referring to?
` A This is Paragraph 56 of Gundlach.
` Q So looking again at Figure 18b, the
`wireless device is shown in a case. Is that
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`right?
` A As Gundlach describes with, I guess,
`respect to Figure 18a, Element 1860 is the case
`that the wireless may be provided in.
` Q That case has charging circuitry.
`Correct?
` A The case may contain charging circuitry.
` Q The charging circuitry, if it's present,
`is used to charge a battery in the wireless device
`when it's in the case. Is that right?
` A Sorry. Can you repeat the question?
` Q Yes.
` The charging circuitry, if it's present,
`is used to charge a battery in the wireless
`device, 1800, when that wireless device is in the
`case. Is that right?
` A That's a fairly lengthy question. So
`I'm going to ask, just so I can make sure to
`answer clearly, if you could break that up, and
`I'll deal with it piece-by-piece.
` Q All right. Let's look at Paragraph 80.
` In Paragraph 80, we're told that, as you
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`said, the wireless device may be provided in a
`case. Correct?
` A That is correct.
` Q The case may contain charging circuitry.
`Right?
` A That is correct.
` Q Case may also have a reserve power
`supply such as a reserve battery. Correct?
` A That is correct.
` Q The case also has a power supply
`adapter, Reference No. 1843. Right?
` A The case may include a power supply
`adapter, 1843.
` Q And that's for receiving power.
`Correct?
` A The case may include a power supply
`adapter, 1843, for receiving power embedded in the
`case.
` Q Is it the power that's embedded in the
`case or is it the power supply adapter that's
`embedded in the case?
` MR. SPROUL: Objection to form.
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` A Can you repeat the question please?
` Q Yes. The sentence we were looking at in
`Paragraph 80 says that the case may include a
`power supply adapter, 1843, for receiving power
`embedded in the case.
` And I asked, is it the power that's
`embedded in the case or is it the power supply
`adapter that is embedded in the case?
` MR. SPROUL: Objection to form.
` A Well, we see Element 1843 is embedded in
`the case, the power supply adapter. But we also
`have a miniature electronic device embedded in the
`case, and that miniature electronic device can
`receive power.
` Q Sorry. What miniature electronic device
`are you referring to?
` A The wireless device, 1800.
` Q How does it receive power?
` A Well, as Gundlach describes in the same
`paragraph, the case may contain a reserve power
`supply such as a reserve battery and charging
`circuitry. So that's one means by which the
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`wireless device, 1800, could receive power.
` And another example, as I've just
`described, in the same paragraph, the power supply
`adapter may be capable of receiving USB connector
`or other connector capable of supplying power or
`data.
` So there are two means by which the
`wireless device, 1800, can receive power or could
`receive power.
` Q Let's look at Figure 3b please.
` MR. SPROUL: Before you ask that
`question, why don't we take a break. We've been
`going for over an hour.
` MR. FAHMI: Sure. That's fine.
` (Whereupon, there was a recess in the
`proceedings.)
` Q Dr. Cooperstock, during our break, did
`you discuss the substance of your testimony with
`anyone?
` A No, I did not.
` Q Before we broke, we were just
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