throbber
2-6-2019 Claim Construction Hearing
`
`UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
`EASTERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS
`MARSHALL DIVISION
`
`1
`
`DOCKET 2: 18CV134
`
`FEBRUARY 6, 2019
`
`10: 04 A.M.
`
`TEXARKANA, TEXAS
`
`|||||||
`
`OMNI MEDSCI, INC.
`
`VS.
`
`APPLE INC.
`
`--------------------------------------------------------
`
`VOLUME 1 OF 1, PAGES 1 THROUGH 66
`
`REPORTER'S TRANSCRIPT OF CLAIM CONSTRUCTION HEARING
`
`BEFORE THE HONORABLE ROBERT W. SCHROEDER, III
`UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE
`
`--------------------------------------------------------
`
`APPEARANCES:
`
`FOR THE PLAINTIFF:
`
`FOR THE DEFENDANT:
`
`THOMAS A. LEWRY
`CHRISTOPHER C. SMITH
`BROOKS & KUSHMAN PC - SOUTHFIELD
`1000 TOWN CENTER, 22ND FLOOR
`SOUTHFIELD, MI 48075
`
`JEFFREY P. KUSHAN
`SHARON LEE
`SIDLEY AUSTIN - WASHINGTON
`1501 K STREET NW
`WASHINGTON, DC 20005
`
`KELLEY ANNE CONATY
`CORY D. SZCZEPANIK
`SIDLEY AUSTIN LLP - DALLAS
`2021 MCKINNEY AVENUE, SUITE 2000
`DALLAS, TX 75201
`
`BOBBY LAMB
`GILLAM & SMITH, LLP
`303 SOUTH WASHINGTON AVENUE
`MARSHALL, TX 75670
`
`1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
`
`10
`
`11
`
`12
`
`13
`
`14
`
`15
`
`16
`
`17
`
`18
`
`19
`
`20
`
`21
`
`22
`
`23
`
`24
`
`25
`
`Christina L. Bickham, RMR, CRR
`409/654-2891
`
`Petitioner Apple Inc. – Ex. 1044, cover p. 1
`
`

`

`2-6-2019 Claim Construction Hearing
`
`2
`
`COURT REPORTER:
`
`CHRISTINA L. BICKHAM, CRR, RMR
`FEDERAL OFFICIAL REPORTER
`300 WILLOW, SUITE 221
`BEAUMONT, TX 77701
`
`PROCEEDINGS RECORDED USING MECHANICAL STENOGRAPHY;
`TRANSCRIPT PRODUCED VIA COMPUTER- AIDED TRANSCRIPTION.
`
`1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
`
`10
`
`11
`
`12
`
`13
`
`14
`
`15
`
`16
`
`17
`
`18
`
`19
`
`20
`
`21
`
`22
`
`23
`
`24
`
`25
`
`Christina L. Bickham, RMR, CRR
`409/654-2891
`
`Petitioner Apple Inc. – Ex. 1044, cover p. 2
`
`

`

`2-6-2019 Claim Construction Hearing
`
`21
`
`the frequency, the pulsing of the LED; whereas, varies
`
`the light intensity dealt with other claim language.
`
`If you could go over to Slide 7, please.
`
`This is a similar -- this is Claim 1 of the
`
`'040 patent. You' ll see a similar approach here where up
`
`in one part of the claim, you see " the measurement device
`
`being configured to generate" -- a beam -- " by modulating
`
`at least one of the LEDs having an initial light
`
`intensity." And then down later in the claim, it's got a
`
`different clause for a different part of that apparatus
`
`that says " increasing the light intensity relative to the
`
`initial light intensity."
`
`THE COURT: So, Apple's proposed construction
`
`on this term was " varying the frequency of the light";
`
`so, what is the construction you' re proposing now?
`
`MR. KUSHAN: So, we would just take your
`
`construction and remove the word " amplitude" from it.
`
`So, what that would make clear is it's varying the
`
`frequency. And I think " phase" isn't really addressed in
`
`the patent, but what the patent does is differentiate
`
`varying the frequency. That's what they attribute to
`
`modulating. And they call varying the amplitude or the
`
`intensity something else, which is why we think that's
`
`what the claim is doing here. So, that's a modification
`
`that we had proposed to your construction; and that would
`
`1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
`
`10
`
`11
`
`12
`
`13
`
`14
`
`15
`
`16
`
`17
`
`18
`
`19
`
`20
`
`21
`
`22
`
`23
`
`24
`
`25
`
`Christina L. Bickham, RMR, CRR
`409/654-2891
`
`Petitioner Apple Inc. – Ex. 1044, p. 21
`
`

`

`2-6-2019 Claim Construction Hearing
`
`22
`
`get us there.
`
`I just want to flag two things. There is a
`
`lot of case law that holds that when a patent claim uses
`
`different words to define different aspects of a device,
`
`you presume that those things have different meanings.
`
`And, so, parsing these claims -- and the case I' ll give
`
`you is CAE Screenplates versus Heinrich. This is from
`
`the Federal Circuit, 2 24 F.3d 1308 from 2000. And the
`
`court basically said, " In the absence of any evidence to
`
`the contrary, we must presume that the use of these
`
`different terms in the claims connotes different
`
`meanings." When you look at those claims I just walked
`
`through, you can see that it's doing that exactly. It's
`
`using one phrase to talk about varying the intensity or
`
`amplitude and a different phrase to refer to modifying --
`
`or modulating the light.
`
`The next thing I want to just flag, there is a
`
`little bit of confusion, I think, about pulsing and
`
`modulation, how that connects. We think that pulsing is
`
`pretty simple. That's just turning the light on and off.
`
`If it's an LED, just turn it on; turn it off. That's a
`
`pulse.
`
`If you can go to Slide 8, please.
`
`What the patent does in its specification --
`
`these are a number of specifications -- but the patents
`
`1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
`
`10
`
`11
`
`12
`
`13
`
`14
`
`15
`
`16
`
`17
`
`18
`
`19
`
`20
`
`21
`
`22
`
`23
`
`24
`
`25
`
`Christina L. Bickham, RMR, CRR
`409/654-2891
`
`Petitioner Apple Inc. – Ex. 1044, p. 22
`
`

This document is available on Docket Alarm but you must sign up to view it.


Or .

Accessing this document will incur an additional charge of $.

After purchase, you can access this document again without charge.

Accept $ Charge
throbber

Still Working On It

This document is taking longer than usual to download. This can happen if we need to contact the court directly to obtain the document and their servers are running slowly.

Give it another minute or two to complete, and then try the refresh button.

throbber

A few More Minutes ... Still Working

It can take up to 5 minutes for us to download a document if the court servers are running slowly.

Thank you for your continued patience.

This document could not be displayed.

We could not find this document within its docket. Please go back to the docket page and check the link. If that does not work, go back to the docket and refresh it to pull the newest information.

Your account does not support viewing this document.

You need a Paid Account to view this document. Click here to change your account type.

Your account does not support viewing this document.

Set your membership status to view this document.

With a Docket Alarm membership, you'll get a whole lot more, including:

  • Up-to-date information for this case.
  • Email alerts whenever there is an update.
  • Full text search for other cases.
  • Get email alerts whenever a new case matches your search.

Become a Member

One Moment Please

The filing “” is large (MB) and is being downloaded.

Please refresh this page in a few minutes to see if the filing has been downloaded. The filing will also be emailed to you when the download completes.

Your document is on its way!

If you do not receive the document in five minutes, contact support at support@docketalarm.com.

Sealed Document

We are unable to display this document, it may be under a court ordered seal.

If you have proper credentials to access the file, you may proceed directly to the court's system using your government issued username and password.


Access Government Site

We are redirecting you
to a mobile optimized page.





Document Unreadable or Corrupt

Refresh this Document
Go to the Docket

We are unable to display this document.

Refresh this Document
Go to the Docket