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`Subject:
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`Trials <Trials@USPTO.GOV>
`Wednesday, November 10, 2021 10:10 AM
`Jacob.Peterson; Trials
`Andrew Patrick; IPR50095-0006IP1@fr.com; IPR50095-0012IP1; IPR50095-0012IP2;
`IPR50095-0013IP1; IPR50095-0013IP2; PTAB Inbound; AXF-PTAB; Karl Renner; Roberto
`Devoto; Dan Smith; Hyun Jin In; Grace Kim; Usman Khan; AppleIPR2020-1520-265;
`AppleIPR2020-1536-553; AppleIPR2020-1537-553; AppleIPR2020-1538-554;
`AppleIPR2020-1539-554
`RE: IPR2020-01520, -01536, -01537, -01538, and -01539: Request re Motions for
`Observations
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`[This email originated outside of F&R.]
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`Counsel: The Board has reviewed Petitioner’s e‐mail request for authorization to file a motion for observations, or
`alternatively a chart identifying cross‐examination testimony that provides context, as well as Patent Owner’s e‐mail
`opposition, and the authorities cited by both parties. No conference call is necessary to discuss these issues.
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`Petitioner is authorized to file a Paper in each proceeding identifying Dr. Kenny’s cross‐examination testimony that
`provides the context Petitioner desires the Board to consider, in a concise fashion without argument that focuses on key
`portions of the testimony rather than every point of disagreement. Thus, the identifications should be a listing taking
`the form of: “In response to Patent Owner’s citation to the transcript at ___, Petitioner cites the transcript at ___ for
`context.” The entire listing in each proceeding may not exceed one page in length, and must comply with the Board’s
`general format requirements of 37 C.F.R. 42.6(a). The Papers must be filed no later than November 22, 2021, to afford
`Patent Owner an adequate opportunity to address the Papers during oral argument on December 7, 2021. Each Paper
`shall be accompanied by a copy of this e‐mail authorization, filed as an Exhibit in the proceeding record.
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`Thank you,
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`Maria King
`Deputy Chief Clerk for Trials
`Patent Trial and Appeal Board
`U.S. Patent and Trademark Office
`703‐756‐1288
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`From: Jacob.Peterson <Jacob.Peterson@knobbe.com>
`Sent: Monday, November 8, 2021 10:08 PM
`To: Trials <Trials@USPTO.GOV>
`Cc: Andrew Patrick <patrick@fr.com>; IPR50095‐0006IP1@fr.com; IPR50095‐0012IP1@fr.com; IPR50095‐
`0012IP2@fr.com; IPR50095‐0013IP1@fr.com; IPR50095‐0013IP2@fr.com; PTABInbound@fr.com; axf‐ptab@fr.com; Karl
`Renner <renner@fr.com>; Roberto Devoto <devoto@fr.com>; Dan Smith <dsmith@fr.com>; Hyun Jin In <in@fr.com>;
`Grace Kim <gkim@fr.com>; Usman Khan <khan@fr.com>; AppleIPR2020‐1520‐265 <AppleIPR2020‐1520‐
`265@knobbe.com>; AppleIPR2020‐1536‐553 <AppleIPR2020‐1536‐553@knobbe.com>; AppleIPR2020‐1537‐553
`<AppleIPR2020‐1537‐553@knobbe.com>; AppleIPR2020‐1538‐554 <AppleIPR2020‐1538‐554@knobbe.com>;
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`APPLE 1052
`Apple v. Masimo
`IPR2020-01538
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`AppleIPR2020‐1539‐554 <AppleIPR2020‐1539‐554@knobbe.com>
`Subject: RE: IPR2020‐01520, ‐01536, ‐01537, ‐01538, and ‐01539: Request re Motions for Observations
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`CAUTION: This email has originated from a source outside of USPTO. PLEASE CONSIDER THE SOURCE before responding, clicking on
`links, or opening attachments.
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`Your Honors,
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`As Counsel for Petitioner Apple mentioned below, Patent Owner Masimo opposes Apple’s requests to file a motion for
`observations or a chart identifying portions of Dr. Kenny’s testimony. Masimo objects to Apple’s citation to
`discontinued Board practice and asks the Board to disregard Apple’s citations or, in the alternative, consider Masimo’s
`citations. See, e.g., 2019 Consolidated Trial Practice Guide at 1, 74 (discontinuing motions for observations); Schott
`Gemtron Corp. v. SSW Holding Co., Inc., IPR2013‐00358, Paper 77 at 3 (PTAB 2014) (declining request to file a party’s
`observations on its own witness); see also Biodelivery Sciences Int’l, Inc. v. Monosol RX, LLC, IPR2015‐00165, Paper 41 at
`3‐4 (PTAB 2015) (declining to apply Zhongshan); Seagate Technology Holdings, Inc. v. Enova Tech. Corp., IPR2014‐01178,
`Paper 45 at 2‐7 (PTAB 2015) (same). Compare Zhongshan Broad Ocean Motor Co., Ltd. et al. v. Nidec Motor Corp.,
`IPR2014‐01121, Paper 34 at 2 (PTAB 2015) (granting request where full transcripts of the deponents were unavailable to
`the Board); Micron Tech., Inc. v. Innovative Memory Sys., Inc., IPR2016‐00330, Paper 40 at 2‐3 (PTAB 2017) (motion was
`unopposed). Masimo further notes that Apple previously opposed a similar request to the Board, and the Board sided
`with Apple by not authorizing any additional briefing. See Apple, Inc. v. Farstone Tech., Inc., IPR2015‐00599, Paper 17 at
`2‐3 (PTAB 2016).
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`Counsel for Petitioner Apple is cc’d on this email.
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`Respectfully submitted,
`Jacob
`Counsel for Patent Owner Masimo
`
`Jacob Peterson
`Partner
`206-405-2007 Direct
`Knobbe Martens
`
`From: Andrew Patrick <patrick@fr.com>
`Sent: Monday, November 8, 2021 1:49 PM
`To: Trials <Trials@USPTO.GOV>
`Cc: Stephen.Larson <Stephen.Larson@knobbe.com>; Jacob.Peterson <Jacob.Peterson@knobbe.com>; AppleIPR2020‐
`1520‐265 <AppleIPR2020‐1520‐265@knobbe.com>; AppleIPR2020‐1536‐553 <AppleIPR2020‐1536‐553@knobbe.com>;
`AppleIPR2020‐1537‐553 <AppleIPR2020‐1537‐553@knobbe.com>; AppleIPR2020‐1538‐554 <AppleIPR2020‐1538‐
`554@knobbe.com>; AppleIPR2020‐1539‐554 <AppleIPR2020‐1539‐554@knobbe.com>; Karl Renner <renner@fr.com>;
`Roberto Devoto <devoto@fr.com>; Dan Smith <dsmith@fr.com>; Hyun Jin In <in@fr.com>; Grace Kim <gkim@fr.com>;
`Usman Khan <khan@fr.com>
`Subject: IPR2020‐01520, ‐01536, ‐01537, ‐01538, and ‐01539: Request re Motions for Observations
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`Your Honors,
`
`Patent Owner Masimo’s sur‐replies in each of the IPR2020‐01520, ‐01536, ‐01537, ‐01538, and ‐01539 proceedings cite
`to excerpts of Dr. Thomas Kenny’s September 18, 2021 cross‐examination testimony; Petitioner Apple believes that
`identification of uncited testimony that provides context for the relied‐upon excerpts would be helpful in advance of
`oral hearing.
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`Accordingly, pursuant to 77 Fed. Reg. 48,756, 48,767‐68 (Aug. 14, 2012), Apple requests authorization to file a motion
`for observations regarding Dr. Kenny’s cross‐examination testimony in each of the above‐captioned proceedings.
`
`Alternatively, Apple requests authorization to file, as an exhibit in each of the above‐captioned proceedings, a chart that
`identifies cross‐examination testimony that provides context for excerpts of testimony relied upon by Masimo. See, e.g.,
`Zhongshan Broad Ocean Motor Co., Ltd. et al. v. NIDEC Motor Corp., IPR2014‐01122 Pap. 34 (PTAB Sept. 10, 2015);
`Micron Technology, Inc. v. Innovative Memory Systems, Inc., IPR2016‐00330 Pap. 33 (March 8. 2017).
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`Counsel for Apple and counsel for Masimo have met and conferred regarding these requests. Masimo opposes Apple’s
`requests.
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`Should the Board desire a call to discuss Apple’s requests, the parties are jointly available this Wednesday (11/10) and
`Friday (11/12) from 12:00 – 5:00 pm Eastern.
`
`Respectfully submitted,
`
`Andrew Patrick
`Counsel for Petitioner Apple
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