No. 389431
`
`Re: Deposition of Tim A. Osswald, Ph.D.
`Date: 8/5/2021
`Case: Yita L.L.C. -v- MacNeil IP L.L.C. (PTAB)
`Return to: transcripts@planetdepos.com
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`Correction/Change and Reason
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`48
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`1
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`9
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`17
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`7
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`11
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`49
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`18
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`“Sherman” instead of “Shearman”
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`“Sherman” instead of “Shearman”
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`Misspelling
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`Misspelling
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`“3D” instead of “suite”
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`Transcription Error (TE)
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`“processing” instead of “process”
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`“transport” instead of “transfer”
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`“3-D” instead of “three”
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`TE
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`TE
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`TE
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`“No, I have not written an entire book, but I have
`written about thermoforming in my books.”
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`Clarification
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`instead of
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`“No, I have not.”
`“or
`injection molding”
`injectionable”
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`“EVOH” instead of “EDOH”
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`instead of
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`“of
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`TE
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`Add to answer: “I should make clear that the
`multiple layers in these plastics had similar
`melting points and viscosities, just like the multi-
`layer plastic discussed in the MacNeil Patents.”
`
`Add to answer: “I should make clear that the
`multiple layers in those laminates had similar
`melting points and viscosities, just like the multi-
`layer plastic discussed in the MacNeil Patents.”
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`TE
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`Clarification
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`Clarification
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`56
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`68
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`10
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`“thermoformed” instead of “thermoform”
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`TE
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`12-14 Replace text between “much spinning and “axial
`stretching” with “much thinning, especially if
`you thermoform a trough, but if you thermoform
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`TE (multiple)
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`1
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`MacNeil Exhibit 2191
`Yita v. MacNeil IP, IPR2020-01139, Page 1
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`
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`Re: Deposition of Tim A. Osswald, Ph.D.
`Date: 8/5/2021
`Case: Yita L.L.C. -v- MacNeil IP L.L.C. (PTAB)
`Return to: transcripts@planetdepos.com
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`Correction/Change and Reason
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`46
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`48
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`5
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`7
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`3
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`1
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`4
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`7
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`9
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`17
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`7
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`11
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`49
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`18
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`“Sherman” instead of “Shearman”
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`“Sherman” instead of “Shearman”
`
`Misspelling
`
`Misspelling
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`“3D” instead of “suite”
`
`Transcription Error (TE)
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`“processing” instead of “process”
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`“transport” instead of “transfer”
`
`“3-D” instead of “three”
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`TE
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`TE
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`TE
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`“No, I have not written an entire book, but I have
`written about thermoforming in my books.”
`
`Clarification
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`instead of
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`“No, I have not.”
`“or
`injection molding”
`injectionable”
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`“EVOH” instead of “EDOH”
`
`instead of
`
`“of
`
`TE
`
`Add to answer: “I should make clear that the
`multiple layers in these plastics had similar
`melting points and viscosities, just like the multi-
`layer plastic discussed in the MacNeil Patents.”
`
`Add to answer: “I should make clear that the
`multiple layers in those laminates had similar
`melting points and viscosities, just like the multi-
`layer plastic discussed in the MacNeil Patents.”
`
`TE
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`Clarification
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`Clarification
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`56
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`68
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`10
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`“thermoformed” instead of “thermoform”
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`TE
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`12-14 Replace text between “much spinning and “axial
`stretching” with “much thinning, especially if
`you thermoform a trough, but if you thermoform
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`TE (multiple)
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`1
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`MacNeil Exhibit 2191
`Yita v. MacNeil IP, IPR2020-01139, Page 1
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`No. 389431
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`Re: Deposition of Tim A. Osswald, Ph.D.
`Date: 8/5/2021
`Case: Yita L.L.C. -v- MacNeil IP L.L.C. (PTAB)
`Return to: transcripts@planetdepos.com
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`73
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`74
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`78
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`78
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`83
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`91
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`a cube, especially if you are doing biaxial
`stretching”
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`“It is a thermoset” instead of “It was a
`thermoset”
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`TE
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`Replace answer with, “No in the context of these
`patents. In the abstract, I am aware that cross-
`linked
`polyethylene
`foams, which
`are
`thermosets,
`have
`been
`used with
`a
`thermoforming process.”
`
`Clarification—I
`interpreted the question in
`the
`context of
`these
`patents.
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`“foam” instead of “form”
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`conductivity”
`“thermal
`“thermoconductivity”
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`TE
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`instead
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`of
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`TE
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`14
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`4
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`11
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`13
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`8-14 Add to end of answer, “Again, my answer is in
`the context of these patents. In the abstract, I am
`aware that cross-linked polyethylene foams,
`which are thermosets, have been used with a
`thermoforming process.”
`
`Clarification—I
`interpreted the question in
`the
`context of
`these
`patents.
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`21
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`“glass transition” instead of “glass condition”
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`1
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`3
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`6
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`4
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`15
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`22
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`14
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`9
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`“glass transition” instead of “glass condition”
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`“glass transition” instead of “glass condition”
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`“glass transition” instead of “glass condition”
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`“shear” instead of “sheered” (twice)
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`“shear” instead of “sheer”
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`“thermoset” instead of “thermostat”
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`“a” instead of “the”
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`“grooves” instead of “groups”
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`TE
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`TE
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`TE
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`TE
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`TE
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`TE
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`TE
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`TE
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`TE
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`2
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`MacNeil Exhibit 2191
`Yita v. MacNeil IP, IPR2020-01139, Page 2
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`No. 389431
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`Re: Deposition of Tim A. Osswald, Ph.D.
`Date: 8/5/2021
`Case: Yita L.L.C. -v- MacNeil IP L.L.C. (PTAB)
`Return to: transcripts@planetdepos.com
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`92
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`92
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`115
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`135
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`2
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`22
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`4
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`5-6
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`“with” instead of “but”
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`“umbos” instead of “emboss”
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`“there” instead of “therefore”
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`TE
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`TE
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`TE
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`“120 thousandths” instead of “120,000th” and
`“0.125” instead of “1.125”
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`TE and/or I misspoke
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`TE
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`TE
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`TE
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`TE
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`TE and/or I misspoke
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`TE
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`TE
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`Clarification—I made a
`mistake
`in
`trying
`to
`explain this and the answer
`also ended up confusing.
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`143
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`2
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`“compression molding” instead of “pressure
`molding”
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`143
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`143
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`146
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`195
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`196
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`202
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`202
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`13-14 “thermoset” instead of “thermosense” (twice)
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`22
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`3
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`22
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`1
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`7
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`15
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`“I don’t think” instead of “I think”
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`“thickness” instead of “thicknesses”
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`“flush” instead of “sliced”
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`“line” instead of “lines”
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`“high” instead of “tight”
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`Replace answer with, “As I indicated earlier in
`my testimony, pressure forming is a form of
`thermoforming. You are using air pressure to
`hold the sheet of plastic against the mold.
`Sometimes a vacuum pulls the plastic against the
`mold at the same time the air pressure is pushing
`the plastic against the mold. This process uses a
`single mold, not multiple matched molds like
`compression molding does. Now, there is a form
`of compression molding that uses a bladder filled
`with air and thus relies upon air pressure, but that
`is a different process. An example of that is a
`project that I did for Trek Bicycles. A hollow
`bike frame was elliptical shaped in cross section
`with two halves. It was compression molded
`with a rubber bladder in the center to help hollow
`out the middle and press the composite material
`against the walls of the mold. I do not consider
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`3
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`MacNeil Exhibit 2191
`Yita v. MacNeil IP, IPR2020-01139, Page 3
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`
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`No. 389431
`
`Re: Deposition of Tim A. Osswald, Ph.D.
`Date: 8/5/2021
`Case: Yita L.L.C. -v- MacNeil IP L.L.C. (PTAB)
`Return to: transcripts@planetdepos.com
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`this to be pressure forming although it does use
`air pressure.”
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`4
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`MacNeil Exhibit 2191
`Yita v. MacNeil IP, IPR2020-01139, Page 4
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`
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`No. 389431
`
`Re: Deposition of Tim A. Osswald, Ph.D.
`Date: 8/5/2021
`Case: Yita L.L.C. -v- MacNeil IP L.L.C. (PTAB)
`Return to: transcripts@planetdepos.com
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`DECLARATION OF DEPONENT
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`I, Tim A. Osswald, Ph.D., do hereby acknowledge that I have read and examined the
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`foregoing testimony, and the same is a true, correct and complete transcription of the testimony
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`given by me and any corrections appear on the above Errata sheet which is a part of this declaration.
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`I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct. Executed on the date
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`indicated below.
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`August 18, 2021
`_________________________
`(Date)
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`___________________________
`(Signature)
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`5
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`MacNeil Exhibit 2191
`Yita v. MacNeil IP, IPR2020-01139, Page 5
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