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`- Can supply
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`Silberman & Co., Harrisburg, Pa. Can supply us with about 5 tons of rubber
`scrap a week for the next 12 weeks.
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`Singer Rubber Co., 296 Watkins Street, Brooklyn, N. Y. Can supply us with
`about 15 tons of scrap tires and tubes a week for the next 12 weeks.
`Sam Baron, New Haven, Conn. Can supply us immediately with 20,000
`pounds of uncured scrap rubber and about 5 tons a week for the next 12 weeks.
`Eastern Scrap Rvbber Co., Park Avenue and One Hundred and Thirty-fifth
`Street, New York City. Can supply us with 20,000 to 30,000 poundsofiscrap
`tires and tubes a week for the next 12 weeks.
`. Advance Scrap & Salvage, 190 Wooster Street, New York City. Accumulate
`about a thousand pounds a week of various types of scrap rubber. However,if
`prices were attractive, could accumulate 10 or 15 tons a week for the next 12
`weeks with no trouble atall.
`Crown Rubber Co., Freemont, Ohio, Accumulates approximately 30 tons of
`black cured trim from automobile mats.
`E. I.du Pont de Nemours & Co.
`In their various branches accumulate con-
`siderable quantities of various types of scrap rubber monthly.
`Gross Manufacturing Co., San Gabriel, Calif. Acecumulates between 4,000
`and 5,000 pounds monthly of scrap rubber.
`Manheim Manufacturing & Belting Co., Manheim, Pa. Accumulates scrap
`rubber at the rate of 4,000 to 5,000 pounds monthly.
`Kobrin & Kerness, 218 Newport Avenue, Brocklyn, N. Y. Can supply us
`with about 10 tons of scrap rubber a week for the next 12 weeks.
`( omen Rubber Co., Ashland, Ohio. Have 2,000 pounds of balloon scrap
`May15).
`Atlantic Tubing & Rubber Co., Providence, R. I. Have 10 tons of scrap
`rubber.
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`H. T. Feinberg & Sons, Inc., 42 Auburn Street, Chelsea, Mass.
`us with 20 tons of scrap boots and shoes every month.
`Gans Tire Salvage, 98 Auburn Street, Chelsea, Mass. Can supply us with
`about 20 tons a month of scrap tires.
`Kravetz & Co., 115 Second Street, Chelsea, Mass. Can supply us with 20
`tons of boots and shoes a month.
`David Feinberg Co., Fifth Street, Medford, Mass. Can supply us with about
`40 tons of mixed factory scrap, boots, and shoes a month.
`R. Barnett, 315 Jackson Street, Hoboken, N. J. Can supply us with about
`10 tons of scrap tires, tubes, boots, and shoes every week for the next 12 weeks.
`Gans Tire Co., 181 Third Street, Chelsea, Mass. Can supply us with about 5
`tons of tires and tubes a week for the next 12 weeks.
`Sabberstein Auto Wreckage Co., 210 Newport Avenue, Brooklyn, N. Y. Can
`supply us with about 5 tons of scrap tires and tubes a month.
`Clayton Waste Co., 719 Noble Street, Philadelphia, Pa.
`If price were right,
`eould go out and pick up 40 or 50 tons of scrap tires a month.
`Shapiro, Asher & Sons, 2838 Liberty Avenue, Pittsburgh, Pa. Can-supply us
`with about 5 tons a week for the next 12 weeks.
`Max Jacob, 300 Tilghman Street, Allentown, Pa. Can give us 7 to 8 tons a
`week for the next 12 weeks. However, if price were more attractive, could give
`us 10 to 15 tons a week for the next 12 weeks.
`Feltex Corporation, Detroit, Mich. Haveoffered us scrap rubber (January 17).
`Huntington Rubber Mills, Inc., Seattle, Wash. Have offered us 2 tons of
`scrap cord fabric trimmings (January 22).
`Isaac Byer & Son, Trenton, N. J. They accumulate quite a bit of cured and
`uncured scrap rubber (February 24).
`Hohwieler Rubber Co., Morrisville, Pa. Have scrap from sporting goods
`items and scrap rubber from toys and novelty goods (Feburary 23).
`Cullens Service Station, Waycross, Ga. Have scrap tubes, camelback trim-
`mings, grooved rubber, and mixed tubes (February 16).
`Cristie’s Repair Shop, Brooklyn, N..Y. After they accumulate 200 pounds,
`they sell it (February 22).
`Ideal Rubber Co., Brooklyn, N. Y. Have 10 tons of hard rubber scrap (May 4).
`American Marsh Pumps, Battle Creek, Mich. Have several hundred pounds
`of CBS sheet scrap (May 9).
`is) Goodman, Chicago, Il}. Cotton fire hose is obtainable there (February
`Hanover Rubber & Metal, Baltimore, Md. One of their accounts have on
`hand two carloads of 3-inch scrap fire hose.
`A. Lowenstein, Newark, N. J. Have 10 tons scrap fire hose on hand (May4).
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`Latex Fiber Industries, Inc., Beaver Falls, N. ¥. Have 700 pounds of scrap
`rubber (April 29).
`Raw Commodities, Inc., New York City. Have 20 tons of scorched compound
`and 20 tons of cured cable stripping (black and gray).
`Norwalk Tire & Rubber Co., Norwalk, Conn. Have 10 to 20 tons of serap
`rubber a month.
`Baldwin Rubber Co., Pontiac, Mich. Have 10 to 20 tons of scrap rubber a
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`mont
`John Pilling Shoe Co., Lowell, Mass. One thousand poundsslab scrap.
`Golden Quality Shoe Co,. Pittsfield, Mass. One thousand poundsslab scrap.
`Bradley Shoe Co., Lynn, Mass. Ten thousand pounds slab serap.
`Muskin Shoe Co., Westminister, Md. Two thousand poundsslab scrap.
`Supreme Shoe Co., New York City. Ten thousand poundsslab scrap.
`Porter Shoe Co., ‘Milford, Mass. Two thousand pounds slab scrap.
`Silberman & Co., Harrisburg, Pa. Can supply us with about 5 tons of rubber
`scrap a week for the next 12 weeks.
`Singer Rubber Co., 296 Watkins Street, Brooklyn, N. Y. Can supply us with
`about 15 tons of scrap tires and tubes a week for the next 12 weeks.
`Sam Baron, New Haven, Conn. Can supply us immediately with 20,000
`pounds of uncured scrap rubber and about 5 tons a week for the rext 12 weeks.
`Eastern Scrap Rubber Co., Park Avenue and One Hundred Thirty-fifth Street,
`New York City. Can supply us with 20,000 to 30,000 poundsof scrap tires and
`tubes a week for the next 12 weeks.
`Advance Scrap & Salvage, 190 Wooster Street, New York City. Accumulate
`about a thousand pounds a week of various types of scrap rubber. However,
`if prices were attractive, could accumulate 10 or 15 tons a week for the next 12
`weeks with no trouble at all.
`Diane Footwear Co., New York City. One thousand poundsslab scrap.
`Tower Shoe Co., New York City. Five thousand poundsslab scrap.
`Rialto Shoe Co., New York City. Two thousand poundsslab scrap.
`Holly Shoe Co., Littleton, N. H. Ten thousand poundsslab serap.
`Freeport Shoe Co., Freeport, Maine. Three thousand poundsslab scrap,
`Lenox Shoe Co., Freeport, Maine. Twenty tons slab scrap.
`R & H Shoe Co., Revere, Mass.
`Twotons slab scrap.
`National Shoe & Slipper Co., Lynn, Mass. One thousand poundsslab scrap.
`Coben Shoe Co., Lynn, Mass. One thousand pounds slab scrap.
`Hubbard Shoe Co. ; Rochester, N.H. Thirty thousand poundsslab scrap.
`Suffolk Shoe Co., Boston, Mass. Two thousand poundsslab scrap.
`Co-ed Shoe Co., Wakefield, Mass. Four thousand poundsslab serap.
`Rockingham Shoe Co., Newmarket, N. H. Five thousand poundsslab scrap.
`1 Inter-Allied Slipper Co., New Jersey (Jersey City). Three thousand pounds
`scrap.
`slab
`Excellent Footwear Co., New York City. Two thousand pounds slab scrap.
`George W. Riley, Clarksburg, W. Va. One hundred pounds camelback trim-
`mings.
`A. 8. Kreider & Sons, Palmyra, Pa. One thousand poundsslab scrap.
`Phyllis Shoe Co., Lowell, Mass. Five thousand poundsslab scrap.
`Progress Shoe Co., New York City. Ten thousand poundsslab scrap.
`A. Jacobs & Son, Lynn, Mass. One thousand poundsslab scrap.
`Formfitting Slipper Co., New York City. One thousand poundsslab scrap.
`Gilash Shoe Co., Fitchburg, Mass. Five hundred poundsslab scrap.
`William Heiber & Son, Rochester, N. Y. Five hundred pounds slab scrap.
`Ramsey Shoe Co., New York City. Two thousand poundsslab scrap.
`Kesslen Shoe Co., Biddeford, Maine. Two thousand pounds slab scrap.
`aapneney Shoe Co., Chelsea, Mass. Eight thousand pounds slab scrap (60
`Wearbest Slipper Co., New York City. Four thousand poundsslab scrap.
`Silver Slipper, New York City. One thousand pounds slab scrap.
`Consolidated Slipper Co., Malone, N. Y. Two thousand poundsslab scrap.
`In addition, why don’t they contact the Chief of the Rubber Division
`of the Department of Commerce, Holt? Why don’t they contact the
`A. A. A.? Why don’t they contact Lessing J. Rosenwald, Chief of
`the Conservation Department? Why must I always do their work
`while they only do the things that hinder defense and hold back things *
`the people want? Nevertheless, in order to cooperate with them, I
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`‘have asked my organization to send out a few thousand inquiries, and
`at the next hearing, will have a very large amountof scrap to offer to
`that official. Why don’t they follow through on my industrial plans?
`They will find that thousands of people hold tremendous quantities of
`scrap that can be turned into reclaimed rubber for use in our war
`machine andour wareffort.
`Regarding Mr. Hunter’s remarksas to my statement that rubber in
`Brazil is the best in the world, I have submitted here today an article
`from the India Rubber World by the great rubber authorities, proving
`conclusively that Para rubbers are better than the younger trans-
`planted heaveia trees in the Far East.
`Regarding facilities in the Amazon Valley being inadequate to
`_ handle large quantities; that is not so.
`It is just a matter of going
`after it as I have explained at previous hearings. Regarding my
`statement as to the chemist being-able to produce every civilian
`requirement from scrap, which they say is misleading, I have previ-
`ously told you that we, for a year and a half have produced soles and
`heels madeoutof scrap which werepreferred againstall the qualities of
`our competitors, and we make moresoling of the sport type in color
`than any otherfirm in the trade. We use scrap alone, not crude
`rubber.
`It is more economical to use scrap rubber than it is to use
`crude for civilian, products.
`In some items you may not get as much wear but we don’tfind it
`so in soling, and you don’tfind it so in a great numberof other prod-
`ucts. We have madeinnertubesoutofall reclaim, and I will behappy
`to submit this tube to the committee.
`Regarding his statement of the retreading compound, Mr. Hunter
`and his collaborators should be informed that we werethefirst to make
`an all-reclaim camelback. We madeit in July 1941 and were makin
`it at the time the War Production Board and the O. P. A. stoppe
`the sale of all camelback for passenger tires. We submitted this
`compound months and months ago to the War Production Board.
`Then totheO.P.A. Even after the W. P. B. approved it and thought
`it was good and wetookit to the O. P. A., they didn’t allow any tires
`to be made for passenger cars. Now, we are the onesthat said 2
`ounces of crude rubber was required with 5 poundsof reclaim to
`make camelback for a retread tire. Let the Congressman and his
`eminent collaborators know that the 2 ounces of rubber is only for
`the cushion to cement the tread to the carcass and wasn’t in the tread
`compound atall.
`The tread which wasrelied on by the automobile contains no crude
`whatsoever, and the 2 ounces that are used has no bearing on the
`wear in any way.
`It is just that we wanted the 2 ounces to make a
`better vulcanization, although we can make the cushion out of all
`reclaimed rubber, and have it cement just as well as with the crude
`with our using a little more effort.
`in reference to equipment
`Regarding Mr. Hunter’s statement
`available, the Naugatuck Chemical Co. attempted in 1940 to enlarge
`their plant, taking them over a year to obtain the major part of their
`order. First, I have submitted this machinery of L. Albert & Sons.
`Second, I have submitted a telegram showing that they are set to
`supply the major part of 25 plants and they have told me, that with
`Government assistance up to 50 plants. Naugatuck Chemical Co.
`knows of the great number of rubber manufacturers that are out of
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`business and that this equipmentis available for reclaiming plants.
`They know that there is a great deal of equipment in other second-
`hand dealers’ hands which does not require high priorities or take
`anything needed for ships or guns. These plants can be started
`immediately.
`It, of course, would be unfortunate for Naugatuck
`Chemical Co., which is a subsidiary of the United States Rubber Co.,
`and one of the four out of six reclaimers who control the bulk of the
`reclaiming business in the United States, if they were to find 50 other
`reclaiming plants in the country, for they would lose a lot of their
`profits. They would have competition. They would not have com-
`plete control of this important commodity, and of course they would
`not like to see any oneelse reclaiming and possibly that is what has
`caused them to have a different idea as to the erection of other re-
`claiming plants. They would compete with them.
`Regarding the paragraph ‘If used equipment is available” as I
`claimed, why do the Texas bankers mentioned by Mr. Simpson have
`to wait for priorities to buy equipment to build a reclamation plant?
`You see,
`they are bankers. They thought you had to have new
`equipment and when I explained to them that second-hand equip-
`ment was available, they then stopped trying to obtain priorities and
`I understand they made application to one of the departments for a
`Federal loan to finance the contruction.
`I don’t know what the
`status is today, but if the committee would like to know, I will
`ascertain it.
`Regarding Mr. Hunter’s statement that establishing reclamation
`plants and giving to them the millions of dollars worth of dies, tools,
`and machinery necessary to equip them, would deprive our Army and
`Navy of ships, that is not so. By supplying them with the second-
`hand equipment that no one wants and having these plants erected
`at once, we will turn millions of tons of scrap rubber into reclaimed
`rubber for immediate use for the war machinefor ships, for tanks for
`battleships, for tractors and for the people to help them movefast
`and quick in their effort to handle quickly our war production.
`It is astounding how they can ask Americansto sacrifice everything
`for the benefit of the Naugatuck Chemical Co. and a number of
`others.
`Regarding Mr. Hunter putting
`in the record a schedule showing
`the world’s total production in the past years, that means nothing.
`The propaganda that is being put out to the newspapers states that
`‘we received 1 percent of our rubber from Latin America and 1
`percent from Africa in previous years.
`If they showed how much
`rubber was available in the areas. of the Western Hemisphere as
`against that of the Far East, we would be astounded to find that
`many times the quantities of rubber are available in the Western
`Hemisphere than there are in the Far East.
`I am preparing this
`chart for the committee so they can see the difference between this
`wild propaganda and the facts as to where the mature trees are that
`are already developed.
`Efforts should be made and made at once, instead of using obstruc-
`tionist methods to get the rubber out of the Western Hemisphere.
`It
`can be done: It can be done: If they want to be shown, give me 60
`days, and I will show them.
`told the
`Mr. Albert E. Kahn, Department of Justice attorney,
`Senate Patents Committee on May 29 (?)
`that Goodyear, United
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`States Rubber and Firestone maintained Far East rubberplantations.
`United States Rubber made in 1938 30 percent profit on its cost of
`producing crude rubber. Mr. Kahn stated that assuming that the
`other companies were making the samelarge profits from the same
`kind of large estates, this may have tended to give them an interest
`in the maintenance in their status quo in the Far East and in the
`operation of restrictions tending to support the price of crude rubber.
`‘This will of course give the committee and the American people a
`great deal to think about.
`It may indicate someof the causesof this
`apparent desire to confuse the figures‘on the amount of rubber that
`is right in this hemisphere, now.
`I had the pleasure of introducing to this committee Dr. Francis
`Cella, an American citizen, a practicing physician in the city of New
`York, of eminent standing. Dr. Cella is probably the only Ameri-
`can physician who has spent 5 years in the interior of the Amazon
`treating the natives running the rubber seringals. As he told you he
`is fully acquainted with the conditions of that area and he knows the
`medications necessary. He has told you about that as well as the
`shipping facilities that are available, and what we should do.
`IL
`think the total of his knowledge and experienceis vitally important to
`the people of the United States, and I believe with his cooperation we
`can get our program started quickly to obtain from Brazil all the rub-
`ber we require.
`It was in order that this committee of Congress,
`representing the people of the United States, may speak with one great
`authority on this situation, that I asked Dr. Cella to come before you
`today, with great hardship on him, because of the many patients de-
`pendent on his experienced treatments. He has addressed you and
`given you facts about the rubber situation in Brazil.
`That concludes my statement, Mr. Chairman.
`The Cuarrman. Thank you, Mr. Simpson. Have you anythingelse
`you wish to comment on?
`Mr. Simpson. Mr. Chairman, I brought with me today Mr. Harold
`Sims, vice president of the South West Rubber Reclaiming Co., of
`Fort Worth, Tex., who has some vital information for this committee,
`Will you let him go on now?
`The CHarnMAN. Yes. You may proceed, Mr. Sims.
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`STATEMENT OF HAROLD SIMS, FORT WORTH, TEX.
`The CuHarrMaN. Please state your name and address for the record.
`Mr. Sims. I am Harold Sims, of Fort Worth, Tex.
`J and two other
`associates, after Pearl Harbor, looked into the feasibility of putting a
`rubber-reclaiming plant in Texas. There is not a reclaiming plant
`in the whole Southwest. The nearest to Fort Worth are St. Louis,
`Denver, and over in Los Angeles.
`One of my associates was closely identified with Jesse Jones, and
`called him, and Mr. Jones suggested that we come to Washington end
`lay our plans before the War Production Board.
`At that time a Mr. Helburn was the head of the Rubber Division.
`Wesaw him, and he turaed thumbs down andsaid, ‘““There is no scrap
`available; we have closed reclaiming plants down, and we will not ask
`for facilities.”
`So I went back to Fort Worth with that message.
`Then we spent $3,000 of our own money making a survey of the south-
`west part of the United States to ascertain whether or not sufficient
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`rubber scrap was available to maintain a rubber-reclaiming plant in
`operation. Wetook pictures of junk yards andpiles of old tires, and
`I haveall that data.
`- The CuarrmMan. I wonder if you could submit that.
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`Mr. Sims. I left my bag at the hotel
`The CuarrMan. You might mailit in.
`Mr. Sims. J have given Mr. Simpson praccically all of that. We
`took pictures of very large piles of scrap in junk yards, and along the |
`roadside, and in the hands of scrap dealers, who had no sale for it
`at all.
`We also went down through the oil: fields, where they use about
`1,000,000 pounds of rubber a year, where it is used in belts, hose,
`sleeves, and various other things, and when they get through with it
`it is oil-soaked and they throw it off in a pile and burn it.
`I took a
`circular trip from Fort Worth, through Stephanville, St. Angelo, to
`Abilene, to Fort Worth, on January 14, and invariably we would see
`the Negroes working on those junked automobiles, where they were
`cutting them up with acetylene torches, and burning rubber to keep
`warm.
`I brought pictures with me that show that very thing, and I
`also have letters from various junk dealers that they would agree to
`furnish scrap rubber at the rate of 25 tons a day for a period of.3
`years, and that it would consist of rubber tires we needed and various
`types of scrap rubber.
`I have brought those pictures and letters to
`Washington, and, by the way, this is my sixth trip here.
`At that time Mr. Helburn had no information, and he was suc-
`ceeded later by a Mr. Arthur B. Newhall as the head of the Rubber
`Division. We submitted all my data to Mr. Newhall, and he thought
`there was a definite need for a reclaiming plant in the southwest por-
`tion of the United States and that we hadsufficient scrap there. Now,
`then, we took it up with a Mr. Holt, who had several compilations on
`thescrap situation, and his answerto the question was that there was
`much more scrap than we showed them. Weshowedat least 50,000
`tons of scrap in Texas; we showed approximately 100,000 tons of scrap
`in Oklahoma; we showedat least 87,000 tons of scrap in Arizona; and
`we showd thousands of tons of scrap in New Mexico; and we have
`facts to supportall this data.
`I took that back to a Mr. Wieland, whoat that time got in the pic-
`ture in rubber and he said,
`‘“‘We will not put any rubber-reclaiming
`plant up there’ and said it was all hokum to him, and hesaid that
`the present facilities were sufficient and he went to great lengths to
`explain to me that the present rubber-reclaiming facilities were shut-
`ting down and they just were not going to expandit.
`On the fourth trip I saw Mr. Klossner, the adviser of Mr. Jones;
`he is the president of the Rubber Reserve. He wentoverit and said,
`“QO. K.; we will finance the plant down there.”
`Wehadfigured at that time a plant to produce 40,000 tons of
`reclaimed rubber a year, requiring about 65,000 tons of scrap and
`costing us $750,000, including buildings, new machinery, and work-
`ing equipment.
`The CuarrmMan. That was a new building?
`Mr. Sims. All new material, that is right; then we run into Robert -
`T. Williams, Chief of Priority Division, who said “I will not recom-
`mend anything; you go back and try to see what you can do with
`second-hand machinery.’”’ Now we were doing this at our own ex-
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`I have two sons, one 18 and the other 21, in the Army, and
`pense.
`- we are trying to do something for defense. Mr. Williamssaid:You
`go back andtry to find a Jot of used machinery and a building already
`fabricated, and then come back and I will
`talk to you.”
`I said,
`“Don’t have me go back to Fort Worth, Tex., which is quite a little
`jump,” and I said “If I am up against a brick wall, tell me, and I
`will quit and I will never come back, and you will not see me for the
`duration.” He said, ‘Well, if I were you I would find this used
`machinery and get it written up in a brochure like an engineer would
`have it and build it up and then bring it back.”
`I went back to Fort Worth, Tex., and put up $1,000 option on a
`building that had belonged to Swift & Co.
`It was an ideal situa-
`tion.
`I had pictures made of the building inside and out.
`I went
`to New York and submitted it to an engineer, and he drew me plans
`showing the plant and how the machinery would fit and that we could
`turn out in this plant about 25,000 tons of reclaimed rubber a year.
`Then I went to Akron, Ohio, to L. Albert & Son.
`I went there and
`they showed me every piece of machinery we needed to produce 25,-
`000 tons. All this machinery had been used, and somelittle of it
`perhaps had to be rebuilt, but it would all be used machinery. The
`total money requirement of building and equipment using old mate-
`rials was $486,000; and, by the way, the building I bought for $50,000
`and Swift & Co. had depreciated it as of January 1, 1941,
`to the
`amount of $220,000. That gives an idea of the value of the building,
`which contained a fine ice-manufacturing machine and other good
`materia] that could be thrown back in the machinery pool where they
`need that type of stuff.
`I spent about a day with O. Ww. Jackson, whois the financial adviser
`for the War Defense Corporation. He made all
`the preliminary
`investigations as to the people connected with the plant, as to scrap
`availability, and as to whether or not we could operate successfully.
`I got advice from technical people about coming down to Fort Worth
`to run tbis plant. Mr. Jackson looked at
`the building, checked
`everything up, and advised Bradley March here in Washington, chief
`financial adviser in Washington, that our plan wassolid and he would
`recommendit.
`I went out to Mr. Robert T. Williams in the War Production
`Board. He took all this stuff and looked at it and said, “I will not
`handle it,” and I said, ‘“‘Why not?” and hesaid “It is full of dyna-
`mite.”
`Hesaid, “I will not worry about it’; and referred us to Dr.
`Rogers, who is president of the Brooklyn Polytechnic College of New
`York,
`to handle it. He said that Jesse and Fritz Lanham know
`about it, so he referred us to Dr. Rogers.
`I went to talk to Fritz Lan-
`ham and Fritz said, ‘‘Why not get this going. You men madesix
`trips to Washington and spent $5,000 or $6,000.” Well, Mr. Wil-
`liamssaid, “I would rather have Dr. Rogers handleit.”’
`I went to see Dr. Rogers and he said, “I will call in my indus-
`trial expert.’”’
`I had this man here [indicating J. H. Davidson].
`Dr. Rogers looked my stuff over.
`I thought it was beautifully com-
`piled; I had some good lawyers, and he said,
`‘‘Who fixed up that
`stuff?”
`I know that material had been compiled by someof the best,
`people in this rubber-reclaiming business, who had been in that busi-
`ness all their lives; and so I told him I had gone to several places.
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`Hesaid, “If I had anyone working for me do a job like that I would
`think they were screwy.’’ Then I felt something was wrong.
`The Cuairman. I can understand yourfeeling.
`Mr. Sims. Well, I was so darn dumbfounded”that I did not know
`what to say.
`I said, “Doctor, I do not believe I told you when I
`came here that I was an engineer and had engineering schooling, but
`will you just tell me how to fix it up if you will not bother to look
`at it, and I will get it done that way.”
`I will name
`Hesaid, “I will tell you how to fix it up, Mr. Sims.
`three fellows, and you will take one of those three fellows who will
`be acceptable to me and you tender to him a fee for $50,000.””_
`I said,
`“Yes; after the $50,000, you are prepared then to see that I willget
`
`it
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`“The Cuarrman. Whois the man?
`Mr. Sims. This is the man: J. H. Davidson, who wasthere, and I
`picked this man up. This man was industrial expert to the War
`Production Board, and this man handled the thing over there.
`I
`was dumbfounded, and this man come over and hesaid, ‘‘You know
`I fixed the deal.” He said he had written four letters before they
`would consent not to throw it out.
`I said I had proved that the
`scrap was there and we could acquire the machinery without taking
`it out of any vital defense plant; that we needed no materials of any
`kind that would help in the war picture; that we offered to put this
`plant up and take $1 a year until after the duration. All we wanted
`was $1 a year for the use of the plant until after the duration.
`The CuairMan. The committee will go in executive session.
`(Thereppon the committee went into executive session.)
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`PROCUREMENT OF RAW NATURAL RUBBER, ETC.
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`FRIDAY, JUNE 5, 1942
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`ComMITTEE on CornaGE, WEIGHTS, AND MEASURES,
`Houser oF REPRESENTATIVES,|
`Washington, D. C.
`(The committee met, pursuant to notice, at 10:30 a. m., Hon.
`Andrew L. Somers, chairman, presiding, for further consideration of
`H. J. Res. 295.)
`' The CHarrmMan. Well,
`gentlemen,
`I
`think the meeting of
`the
`committee will now be called, Those who were present at the last
`session will recall that we had Harold Simsof Texas here as a witness,
`who madea certain statement that we felt should be verified, and we
`have called on the department head to appear here this morning to
`give his side of the story. The other department head whois in-
`volved in this was not available during this week, because of a leave
`of absence that had been granted him by the Department. The
`witness this morning is Mr. Williams of the War Production Board.
`Mr. WILLiAMs. Yes,sir.
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`STATEMENT OF ROBERT T. WILLIAMS, PRINCIPAL PRIORITIES
`SPECIALIST AND REPRESENTATIVE OF THE BUREAU OF PRIORI-
`TIES OF THE WAR PRODUCTION BOARD
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`The CuHarrman. Mr. Williams, would you mind giving for the
`record your position and history in connection with the rubber
`industry?
`Mr. WiuiaMs. My position at the War Production Board is that
`of principal priorities specialist and representative of the Bureau of
`Priorities of the War Production Board, assigned to the rubber and
`the rubber products branch. My previous connection in the rubber
`industry is a period of approximately 10 months’ service, with the
`Firestone Tire & Rubber Co
`Mr. SautHorr. With what company, please?
`_ Mr. WituraMs. The Firestone Tire & Rubber Co., beginning in
`July of 1929, and ending in April of 1930.
`‘The Cuarrman. In what capacity did you serve?
`Mr. WiuraMs. I was a generalline salesman.
`The CuarrMan. In what section?
`Mr. Wiuuiams. In Texas.
`The CHarrMan. In Texas?
`Mr. WiuuiaMs. Yes.
`Mr. ANDRESEN. Did you have any rubber experience before you
`went with the Firestone Tire & Rubber Co.? |
`Mr. WixuiaMs. I graduated from the University of Chicago in
`1929, and at that timethe Firestone Tire & Rubber Co. were selecting
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`from various colleges throughout the Jand graduates to go into their
`training
`school, and I went into their training school in July, and in
`Decemberof 1929 I wasassignedto that particular position in Houston
`as branch salesman and general line salesman.
`The CuHarrMan. After that you went with whom?
`Mr. Wiuuiams. After leaving the Firestone Tire & Rubber Co.?
`The CHaAtrMAN. Yes.
`Mr. WituiaMs. I was with the Texas Co. in the capacity of an
`accountant.
`Mr. McGeuee. How long were you with the Firestone Tire &
`Rubber Co.?
`1929 until April of 1930.
`Mr. Wiuuiams. From July
`Co. also a rubber company?
`Mr. Reep. Is the Texas
`Mr. Wituiams. No, sir; the Texas Co.
`is a petroleum company.
`I wasaffiliated with them in the capacity of an accountant from April
`1930 until October 1930 at which time I returned to the University
`of Chicago in the post-graduate school of business administration.
`I had a part-time job on the faculty.
`The Cuairman. In your present position are you in sole charge of
`priorities on rubber goods?
`Mr. Wiuuiams. No, sir. May I explain how that operates in our
`branch as well as in the War Production Board. The Bureau of
`Priorities is supposed to establish policies and procedures with respect
`to the granting of priority assistance.
`In carrying out that function
`they assign to the various industrial branches one or more so-called
`priority specialists who serve as consultants to the branch on recom-
`mendations madeby the industrial branches to the Bureau of Priorities
`with respect to individual applications as to priority assistance, as to
`policy, and as to the procedure to be followed.
`The CHainMAN. Then you only establish policy, do you?
`Mr. Wiuiiams. Pardon me?
`The CuarrMan. Then you only establish policy?
`Mr. Wiviuiams. No; I do not establish policy. The policies are
`established by the Chief of the Bureau of Priorities.
`The Cuairnman. Who would that be?
`Mr. Witutams. Charles H. Mathison, Jr., who is Chief of the Bureau
`of Priorities.
`I work under directions and instructions which I
`receive from my superiors.
`The CHairnmMAN. And you hand those down to the various consult-
`ants in the Bureau?
`Mr. Wiuuiams. No; with the consultants in the branch of the
`various industries involved, and we have analysts in the branches
`who review applications for all priorities assistants and make recom-
`mendations on them, and they review them with me before they are
`transferred from the branch to the Bureau of Priorities for action on
`them.
`Mr. McGeues. With your recommendation as to whether the
`action should be favorable or unfavorable?
`Mr. Wituiams. Thatis right.
`The CuarrM