Your Honors,
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`Patent Owner
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`respectfully requests
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`a conference call with the Board in the above-referenced proceedings. The purpose of the conferencecall is to discuss Patent Qwner’s requests detailed below.
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`First, Patent Owner
`exhibits with its
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`new
`Petitioner filed 55 new
`a motion to strike portions of the petitioner replies and the declarations of Dr. Koch (Ex. 1041),
`new evidence withits sur-replies, including
`Mr. Strachan (Ex. 1042), and Mr. Perreault (Ex. 1044).
`respectfully requests authorization to file (i)
`expert testimony and (ii)
`or
`in its obviousness theories and to advance new
`arguments that were not
`in the above-referenced proceedings, including well over 200 pages of new
`expert testimony. Petitioner relies on the new evidence to support changes
`in the petitions. Additionally, the
`replies
`presented
`developed
`in Petitioner’s new
`expert declarations that were not
`or
`in the
`reference arguments
`replies improperly incorporate by
`presented
`developed
`replies.
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`Patent Owner has met and conferred with Petitioner regarding this request, and Petitioner opposes Patent Owner's request for authorization to file a motion to strike andto file new
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`évidence (beyond deposition transcripts) with its sur-replies. Patent Owner's sur-replies
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`are due on
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`September 21, 2021.
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`respectfully requests authorization to file the attached stipulations and supplemental declarations of Dr. Tim Osswald and Mr. Ray Sherman. The Board authorized Patent Ownerto file various exhibits as
`supplemental information in both of the above-referenced proceedings.
`Second, Patent Owner
`owner responses and declarations of Dr. Osswald and Mr. Sherman,
`53.
`In order to
`clarify the record in view of the supplemental information, the attached stipulations and supplemental declarations identify updates
`to citations in the previously-filed patent
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`See Paper
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`Patent Owner has met and conferred with Petitioner
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`regarding this request, and Petitioner does not oppose Patent Owner's request to file the attached stipulations and supplemental declarations of Dr. Osswald and Mr. Sherman.
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`The parties
`®
`Monday, September
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`®
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`*®
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`Tuesday, September
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`are available for a conference with the Board at the
`or
`13 from 11am-lpm
`14 from 1:30-5pm
`or
`16 from 12-1pm
`Thursday, September
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`following
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`times
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`(all Eastern):
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`3-5pm
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`3:30-5pm
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`Respectfully,
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`Clarke Stavinoha
`
`Senior Associate
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`Baker Botts L.L.P.
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`Clarke.stavinoha@bakerbotts.com
`T +1.214.953.6484
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`F +1.214.661.4484
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`Ml +1.274.793.0114
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`UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
`_________________
`BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
`_________________
`YITA LLC
`Petitioner
`
`v.
`
`MACNEIL IP LLC
`Patent Owner
`__________________
`
`Case No. IPR2020-01139
`Patent No. 8,382,186
`__________________
`
`Mail Stop PATENT BOARD
`Patent Trial and Appeal Board
`U.S. Patent and Trademark Office
`P.O. Box 1450 Alexandria, Virginia 22313-1450
`
`Submitted Electronically via the Patent Review Processing System
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`NOTICE OF STIPULATION REGARDING SUPPLEMENTAL
`INFORMATION
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`

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`
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`Case IPR2020-01139
`Patent No. 8,382,186
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`On July 28, 2021, the Board granted Patent Owner’s motion to submit
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`
`
`supplemental information. Paper 53. Patent Owner submitted the supplemental
`
`information. Paper 56. The parties have conferred regarding the citation of this
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`supplemental evidence in declarations, the Patent Owner Response, and Petitioner’s
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`Reply. Petitioner does not oppose Patent Owner filing this Stipulation.
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`Accordingly, the Patent Owner Response includes the updated citations referenced
`
`in Appendix A. The updated citations correspond to the original citations referenced
`
`in Appendix A, which identifies the page number of the original citation. The Patent
`
`Owner Response further includes the updated citations to the Exhibit List in
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`Appendix A. Patent Owner agrees that it will in good faith enter into a similar
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`stipulation with respect to Petitioner’s Reply.
`
`
`
`
`Dated: September 9, 2021
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`
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`Respectfully submitted,
`
`
`
`
`
`
`By:
`David G. Wille
`Reg. No. 38,363
`Lead Counsel for Patent Owner
`MacNeil IP LLC
`
`
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`-1-
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`CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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`In accordance with 37 C.F.R. § 42.6(e), the undersigned certifies that on the
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`September 9, 2021, a complete and entire copy of NOTICE OF STIPULATION
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`REGARDING SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION was served electronically
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`on Petitioner via electronic mail at the following:
`
`
`
`Mark P. Walters (Reg. No. 46,050)
`walters@LoweGrahamJones.com
`
`Ralph W. Powers III, Reg. No. 63,504
`tpowers-PTAB@sternekessler.com
`
`Jason A. Fitzsimmons, Reg. No. 65,367
`jfitzsimmons-PTAB@sternekessler.com
`
`Stephen A. Merrill, Reg. No. 72,955
`smerrill-PTAB@sternekessler.com
`
`John J. Bamert, Reg. No. 74,859
`bamert@LoweGrahamJones.com
`
`PTAB@sternekessler.com
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`
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`Date: September 9, 2021
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`David G. Wille (Reg. No. 38,363)
`BAKER BOTTS L.L.P.
`(214) 953-6595
`2001 Ross Ave., Suite 900
`Dallas, TX 75201-2980
`
`Attorneys for Patent Owner, MacNeil
`IP LLC
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`Appendix A
`A
`Appendix
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`

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`Page
`Exhibit List
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`IPR2020-01139 Citation Updates
`Original Citation
`N/A
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`Exhibit List
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`N/A
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`Exhibit List
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`N/A
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`Exhibit List
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`N/A
`
`Exhibit List
`
`N/A
`
`
`Updated Citation
`2126 Corrected
`Declaration of Ryan
`Granger (REDACTED)
`
`2134 Corrected Claim
`Chart of ’186 Patent
`Claim 1 as Applied to
`WeatherTech Tool No.
`00814 for 2013 – 2018
`Dodge RAM 1500 Quad
`Cab (PS)
`
`2135 Corrected Claim
`Chart of ’186 Patent
`Claim 1 as Applied to
`WeatherTech Tool No.
`00944 for 2013 – 2018
`Toyota 4Runner / 2014 –
`2017 Lexus GX460 (PS)
`
`2136 Chinese Patent
`Application No.
`87212432 to Yang, filed
`July 29, 1998, with
`attached certified
`English-language
`translation
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`2137 Chinese Patent
`Application No.
`87212432 to Yang, filed
`July 29, 1998, with
`attached certified
`English-language
`translation
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`EX2041, ¶¶128-129,
`131-151; EX2023, 3, 6,
`7, 10.
`
`EX2041, ¶¶128-129, 131-
`151; EX2023, 3, 6, 7, 10;
`EX2137, 3, 6, 7, 10.
`
`EX2012, Cover Page;
`EX2023, 1-2.
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`EX2012, Cover Page;
`EX2023, 1-2; EX2137, 1-
`2.
`
`EX2023.
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`EX2023; EX2137
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`EX2023, 7; EX2039,
`297:8-298:8.
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`EX2023, 7; EX2137, 7;
`EX2039, 297:8-298:8.
`
`Id., ¶0011; EX2023, 7.
`
`EX2042, ¶¶166-178.
`
`Id., ¶0011; EX2023, 7;
`EX2137, 7.
`
`EX2042, ¶¶166-178;
`EX2126, ¶¶166-178.
`
`EX2042, ¶¶102-107,
`109.
`
`EX2042, ¶¶102-107, 109;
`EX2126, ¶¶102-107, 109.
`
`EX2031, ¶¶3-16;
`EX2042, ¶95-101, 108.
`
`EX2042, ¶¶110-116.
`
`EX2042, ¶125.
`
`EX2042, ¶126.
`
`EX2042, ¶¶155-165.
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`Supra, §VI.A.1.a-b;
`EX2041, ¶¶131-141;
`EX2023, 3, 6, 7, 10.
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`EX2031, ¶¶3-16;
`EX2042, ¶95-101, 108;
`EX2126, ¶95-101, 108.
`
`EX2042, ¶¶110-116;
`EX2126, ¶¶110-116.
`
`EX2042, ¶125; EX2126,
`¶125
`
`EX2042, ¶126; EX2126,
`¶126
`
`EX2042, ¶¶155-165;
`EX2126, ¶¶155-165
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`Supra, §VI.A.1.a-b;
`EX2041, ¶¶131-141;
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`EX2043, ¶¶141-148;
`EX2042, ¶92.
`
`EX2023, 3, 6, 7, 10;
`EX2137, 3, 6, 7, 10
`
`EX2043, ¶¶141-148;
`EX2042, ¶92; EX2126,
`¶92.
`
`EX2042, ¶92; EX2043,
`¶156.
`
`EX2042, ¶92; EX2126,
`¶92; EX2043, ¶156.
`
`EX2042, ¶92; EX2043,
`¶¶144-149.
`
`EX2042, ¶92; EX2126,
`¶92; EX2043, ¶¶144-149.
`
`EX2042, ¶63 (PO’s VP
`of Product
`Development
`explaining that “[a]s of
`the [priority date], and
`to my knowledge, such
`direct ‘downloading’
`was impossible, and no
`automatically machined
`mold could have
`resulted from it”),
`¶¶61-62 (explaining all
`of the important steps
`omitted by Dr. Koch
`that are required to turn
`points of data gathered
`by a CMM machine
`into a mold); EX2043,
`¶¶150-154 (explaining
`that measurement data
`alone would not result
`in a precision mold, and
`that a POSITA would
`not have known how to
`take digital
`measurements and use
`them to make a mold
`
`EX2042/EX2126, ¶63
`(PO’s VP of Product
`Development explaining
`that “[a]s of the [priority
`date], and to my
`knowledge, such direct
`‘downloading’ was
`impossible, and no
`automatically machined
`mold could have resulted
`from it”), ¶¶61-62
`(explaining all of the
`important steps omitted
`by Dr. Koch that are
`required to turn points of
`data gathered by a CMM
`machine into a mold);
`EX2043, ¶¶150-154
`(explaining that
`measurement data alone
`would not result in a
`precision mold, and that a
`POSITA would not have
`known how to take
`digital measurements and
`use them to make a mold
`prior to the invention of
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`prior to the invention of
`the ’186 and ’834
`Patents).
`
`EX2042, ¶¶49-60
`(detailing PO’s
`patented process for
`creating a mold), 64-72
`(detailing PO’s process
`for creating a floor
`tray).
`
`Id.; see also EX2042,
`¶63 (explaining that
`“such direct
`‘downloading’ was
`impossible” as of
`October 2004 and no
`automatically machined
`mold could have
`resulted from it);
`EX2043, ¶155.
`
`the ’186 and ’834
`Patents).
`
`EX2042/EX2126, ¶¶49-
`60 (detailing PO’s
`patented process for
`creating a mold), 64-72
`(detailing PO’s process
`for creating a floor tray).
`
`Id.; see also
`EX2042/EX2126, ¶63
`(explaining that “such
`direct ‘downloading’ was
`impossible” as of October
`2004 and no
`automatically machined
`mold could have resulted
`from it); EX2043, ¶155
`
`EX2042, ¶¶49-60, 64-
`72.
`
`EX2042, ¶¶49-60, 64-72;
`EX2126, ¶¶49-60, 64-72.
`
`EX1006, Abstract;
`EX2023, 3, 6, 7, 10;
`EX2043, ¶¶69-70, 115.
`
`EX2023, 3, 6, 7, 10;
`EX2041, ¶¶133-138,
`141, 143-151, 157-158.
`
`EX1006, Abstract;
`EX2023, 3, 6, 7, 10;
`EX2137, 3, 6, 7, 10;
`EX2043, ¶¶69-70, 115.
`
`EX2023, 3, 6, 7, 10;
`EX2137, 3, 6, 7, 10;
`EX2041, ¶¶133-138, 141,
`143-151, 157-158.
`
`EX2023, 7.
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`EX2023, 7; EX2137, 7.
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`EX1006, ¶¶0006, 0011;
`EX2023, 6 (describing
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`EX1006, ¶¶0006, 0011;
`EX2023/EX2137, 6
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`“anti-slip nodes” on the
`bottom layer); EX2041,
`¶162; EX2043, ¶128.
`
`EX2042, ¶39.
`
`EX2090-2095;
`EX2042, ¶38.
`
`EX2090-2095.
`
`EX2042, ¶¶73-85.
`
`EX2042, ¶73.
`
`(describing “anti-slip
`nodes” on the bottom
`layer); EX2041, ¶162;
`EX2043, ¶128.
`
`EX2042, ¶39; EX2126,
`¶39.
`
`EX2090-2095; EX2134-
`2136; EX2042, ¶38;
`EX2126, ¶38.
`
`EX2090-2095; EX2134-
`2136.
`
`EX2042, ¶¶73-85;
`EX2126, ¶¶73-85.
`
`EX2042, ¶73; EX2126,
`¶73.
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`UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
`_________________
`BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
`_________________
`YITA LLC
`Petitioner
`
`v.
`
`MACNEIL IP LLC
`Patent Owner
`__________________
`
`Case No. IPR2020-01142
`Patent No. 8,833,834
`__________________
`
`Mail Stop PATENT BOARD
`Patent Trial and Appeal Board
`U.S. Patent and Trademark Office
`P.O. Box 1450 Alexandria, Virginia 22313-1450
`
`Submitted Electronically via the Patent Review Processing System
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`NOTICE OF STIPULATION REGARDING SUPPLEMENTAL
`INFORMATION
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`
`
`

`

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`
`
`Case IPR2020-01142
`Patent No. 8,833,834
`
`On July 28, 2021, the Board granted Patent Owner’s motion to submit
`
`
`
`supplemental information. Paper 53. Patent Owner submitted the supplemental
`
`information. Paper 56. The parties have conferred regarding the citation of this
`
`supplemental evidence in declarations, the Patent Owner Response, and Petitioner’s
`
`Reply. Petitioner does not oppose Patent Owner filing this Stipulation.
`
`Accordingly, the Patent Owner Response includes the updated citations referenced
`
`in Appendix A. The updated citations correspond to the original citations referenced
`
`in Appendix A, which identifies the page number of the original citation. The Patent
`
`Owner Response further includes the updated citations to the Exhibit List in
`
`Appendix A. Patent Owner agrees that it will in good faith enter into a similar
`
`stipulation with respect to Petitioner’s Reply.
`
`
`
`Dated: September 9, 2021
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`Respectfully submitted,
`
`
`
`
`By:
`David G. Wille
`Reg. No. 38,363
`Lead Counsel for Patent Owner
`MacNeil IP LLC
`
`
`
`-1-
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`CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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`The undersigned hereby certifies that a copy of the foregoing NOTICE OF
`
`STIPULATION REGARDING SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION was
`
`served electronically on September 9, 2021, on counsel of record for the Petitioner
`
`as follows:
`
`
`
`Mark P. Walters (Reg. No. 46,050)
`walters@LoweGrahamJones.com
`
`Ralph W. Powers III, Reg. No. 63,504
`tpowers-PTAB@sternekessler.com
`
`Jason A. Fitzsimmons, Reg. No. 65,367
`jfitzsimmons-PTAB@sternekessler.com
`
`Stephen A. Merrill, Reg. No. 72,955
`smerrill-PTAB@sternekessler.com
`
`John J. Bamert, Reg. No. 74,859
`bamert@LoweGrahamJones.com
`
`PTAB@sternekessler.com
`
`
`
`Date: September 9, 2021
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`David G. Wille (Reg. No. 38,363)
`BAKER BOTTS L.L.P.
`(214) 953-6595
`2001 Ross Ave., Suite 900
`Dallas, TX 75201-2980
`
`Attorneys for Patent Owner, MacNeil
`IP LLC
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`
`Appendix A
`A
`Appendix
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`

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`Page
`Exhibit List
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`IPR2020-01142 Citation Updates
`Original Citation
`N/A
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`Exhibit List
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`N/A
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`Exhibit List
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`N/A
`
`Exhibit List
`
`N/A
`
`
`Updated Citation
`2126 Corrected
`Declaration of Ryan
`Granger (REDACTED)
`
`2132 Corrected Claim
`Chart of ’834 Patent as
`Applied to WeatherTech
`Tool No. 00804 for 2015
`– 2018 Ford Escape (PS)
`
`2133 Corrected Claim
`Chart of ’834 Patent
`Claim 1 as Applied to
`WeatherTech Tool No.
`00840 for 2013 – 2017
`Honda Accord (PS)
`
`2137 Chinese Patent
`Application No.
`87212432 to Yang, filed
`July 29, 1998, with
`attached certified
`English-language
`translation
`
`EX2042, ¶¶166-178;
`EX2126, ¶¶166-178.
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`21
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`22
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`22
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`EX2042, ¶¶166-178.
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`EX2042, ¶¶102-107,
`109.
`
`EX2042, ¶¶102-107, 109;
`EX2126, ¶¶102-107, 109.
`
`EX2031, ¶¶3-16;
`EX2042, ¶95-101, 108.
`
`EX2042, ¶¶110-116.
`
`EX2031, ¶¶3-16;
`EX2042, ¶95-101, 108;
`EX2126, ¶95-101, 108.
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`EX2042, ¶¶110-116;
`EX2126, ¶¶110-116.
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`EX2042, ¶126.
`
`EX2042, ¶125.
`
`EX2042, ¶¶155-165.
`
`EX2042, ¶126; EX2126,
`¶126.
`
`EX2042, ¶125; EX2126,
`¶125.
`
`EX2042, ¶¶155-165;
`EX2126, ¶¶155-165.
`
`EX2041, ¶¶128-129,
`131-151; EX2023.
`
`EX2041, ¶¶128-129, 131-
`151; EX2023; EX2137.
`
`EX2012, Cover Page;
`EX2023, 1-2.
`
`EX2012, Cover Page;
`EX2023, 1-2; EX2137, 1-
`2.
`
`EX2023.
`
`EX2023; EX2137.
`
`EX2023, 7; EX2039,
`297:8-298:8.
`
`EX2023, 7; EX2137, 7;
`EX2039, 297:8-298:8.
`
`Id., ¶0011; EX2023, 7.
`
`Supra, §VI.A.2.a-b;
`EX2041, ¶¶131-141;
`EX2023, 3, 6, 7, 10.
`
`EX2043, ¶¶141-148;
`EX2042, ¶92.
`
`Id., ¶0011; EX2023, 7;
`EX2137, 7.
`
`Supra, §VI.A.2.a-b;
`EX2041, ¶¶131-141;
`EX2023, 3, 6, 7, 10;
`EX2137, 3, 6, 7, 10.
`
`EX2043, ¶¶141-148;
`EX2042, ¶92; EX2126,
`¶92.
`
`EX2042, ¶92; EX2043,
`¶156.
`
`EX2042, ¶92; EX2126,
`¶92; EX2043, ¶156.
`
`EX2042, ¶92; EX2043,
`¶¶144-149.
`
`EX2042, ¶92; EX2126,
`¶92; EX2043, ¶¶144-149.
`
`EX2042, ¶63 (PO’s VP
`of Product
`Development
`iii
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`EX2042/EX2126, ¶63
`(PO’s VP of Product
`Development explaining
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`explaining that “[a]s of
`the [priority date], and
`to my knowledge, such
`direct ‘downloading’
`was impossible, and no
`automatically machined
`mold could have
`resulted from it”),
`¶¶61-62 (explaining all
`of the important steps
`omitted by Dr. Koch
`that are required to turn
`points of data gathered
`by a CMM machine
`into a mold); EX2043,
`¶¶150-154 (explaining
`that measurement data
`alone would not result
`in a precision mold, and
`that a POSITA would
`not have known how to
`take digital
`measurements and use
`them to make a mold
`prior to the invention of
`the ’186 and ’834
`Patents).
`
`EX2042, ¶¶49-60
`(detailing PO’s
`patented process for
`creating a mold), 64-72
`(detailing PO’s process
`for creating a floor
`tray).
`
`that “[a]s of the [priority
`date], and to my
`knowledge, such direct
`‘downloading’ was
`impossible, and no
`automatically machined
`mold could have resulted
`from it”), ¶¶61-62
`(explaining all of the
`important steps omitted
`by Dr. Koch that are
`required to turn points of
`data gathered by a CMM
`machine into a mold);
`EX2043, ¶¶150-154
`(explaining that
`measurement data alone
`would not result in a
`precision mold, and that a
`POSITA would not have
`known how to take
`digital measurements and
`use them to make a mold
`prior to the invention of
`the ’186 and ’834
`Patents).
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`EX2042/EX2126, ¶¶49-
`60 (detailing PO’s
`patented process for
`creating a mold), 64-72
`(detailing PO’s process
`for creating a floor tray).
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`Id.; see also EX2042,
`¶63 (explaining that
`“such direct
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`Id.; see also
`EX2042/EX2126, ¶63
`(explaining that “such
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`‘downloading’ was
`impossible” as of
`October 2004 and no
`automatically machined
`mold could have
`resulted from it);
`EX2043, ¶155.
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`direct ‘downloading’ was
`impossible” as of October
`2004 and no
`automatically machined
`mold could have resulted
`from it); EX2043, ¶155.
`
`EX2042, ¶¶49-60, 64-
`72.
`
`EX2042, ¶¶49-60, 64-72;
`EX2126, ¶¶49-60, 64-72.
`
`EX1006, Abstract;
`EX2023, 3, 6, 7, 10;
`EX2137, 3, 6, 7, 10;
`EX2043, ¶¶69-70, 115.
`
`EX2023, 3, 6, 7, 10;
`EX2137, 3, 6, 7, 10;
`EX2041, ¶¶133-138, 141,
`157-158.
`
`EX2023, 7; EX2137, 7.
`
`EX1006, ¶¶0006, 0011;
`EX2023/EX2137, 6
`(describing “anti-slip
`nodes” on the bottom
`layer); EX2041, ¶162;
`EX2043, ¶128.
`
`EX2042, ¶39; EX2126,
`¶39.
`
`EX2084-2089; EX2132-
`2133; EX2042, ¶47;
`EX2126, ¶47.
`
`EX2084-2089, EX2132-
`2133.
`
`EX1006, Abstract;
`EX2023, 3, 6, 7, 10;
`EX2043, ¶¶69-70, 115.
`
`EX2023, 3, 6, 7, 10;
`EX2041, ¶¶133-138,
`141, 157-158.
`
`EX2023, 7.
`
`EX1006, ¶¶0006, 0011;
`EX2023, 6 (describing
`“anti-slip nodes” on the
`bottom layer); EX2041,
`¶162; EX2043, ¶128.
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`EX2042, ¶39.
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`EX2084-2089;
`EX2042, ¶47.
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`EX2084-2089.
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`EX2042, ¶¶73-85;
`EX2042, 9973-85;
`EX2126, ¶¶73-85.
`EX2126, 4973-85.
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`EX2042, ¶73; EX2126,
`EX2042, 973; EX2126,
`¶73.
`73.
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`
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`EX2042, ¶73.
`EX2042, 73.
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`EX2042, ¶¶73-85.
`EX2042, 9973-85.
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`UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
`____________
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`BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
`____________
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`YITA LLC,
`Petitioner,
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`v.
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`MACNEIL IP LLC,
`Patent Owner.
`____________
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`SECOND SUPPLEMENTAL DECLARATION OF RAY SHERMAN
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`I, Ray Sherman, declare as follows:
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`1.
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`Unless otherwise stated, the facts stated in this Declaration are
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`based on my personal knowledge.
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`2.
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`I understand that Patent Owner was permitted to file additional
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`evidence in support of its position. I have been asked to update my declaration to
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`include citations to the newly admitted evidence.
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`3.
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`My declaration, submitted as Exhibit 2043 in IPR2020-01139 and
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`IPR2020-01142, documents my opinions in connection with these proceedings.
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`4.
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`Exhibit 2126 is a Corrected Declaration of Ryan Granger
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`(REDACTED). I have reviewed Exhibit 2126.
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`5.
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`Exhibit 2137 is a Chinese Patent Application No. 87212432 to
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`Yang, filed July 29, 1998, with attached certified English-language translation. I
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`have reviewed Exhibit 2137.
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`6.
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`Attached as Appendix A to this declaration is a table of the
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`citations in Exhibit 2043, comparing original citations containing Exhibits 2023 or
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`2042 to updated citations including Exhibits 2126 or 2137. The updated citations
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`in Appendix A replace the original citations in the referenced portion of
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`Exhibit 2043.
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` declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.
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`EX2043 Citation Updates
`Original Citation
`
`Updated Citation
`2126 Corrected Declaration of Ryan
`Granger (REDACTED)
`
`2137 Chinese Patent Application No.
`87212432 to Yang, filed July 29, 1998,
`with attached certified English-language
`translation
`
`Id., EX2042, ¶¶65-67.
`
`Id., EX2042, ¶¶65-67, EX2126, ¶¶65-67.
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`57
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`77
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`77
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`81
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`81
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`See EX2042, ¶¶86-155; EX2024, Figs. 3-
`4; EX1005, Figs. 3-4.
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`EX2042, ¶¶155-65.
`
`EX2042, ¶¶86-155.
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`See EX2042, ¶¶86-155.
`
`See EX2042, ¶¶86-155; EX2126, ¶¶86-
`155; EX2024, Figs. 3-4; EX1005, Figs. 3-
`4.
`
`EX2042, ¶¶155-65; EX2126, ¶¶155-65.
`
`EX2042, ¶¶86-155; EX2126, ¶¶86-155.
`
`See EX2042, ¶¶86-155; EX2126, ¶¶86-
`155.
`
`EX2023, Cover Page; EX2137, Cover
`Page.
`
`87
`
`EX2023, Cover Page.
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`87
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`87
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`EX2023.
`
`EX2023; EX2137.
`
`EX2023, 3 (Chinese Abstract of the
`Creation).
`
`EX2023/EX2137, 3 (Chinese Abstract of
`the Creation).
`
`88-89 EX1006, Claim 6; EX2023, 3, 6, 7, 10.
`
`EX1006, Claim 6; EX2023, 3, 6, 7, 10;
`EX2137, 3, 6, 7, 10.
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`90
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`94
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`96
`
`See EX1006, ¶11; EX2023, 7.
`
`See EX1006, ¶11; EX2023, 7; EX2137, 7.
`
`EX2023, 7.
`
`EX2023, 7; EX2137, 7.
`
`See EX1006, Claim 6; EX2023, 3, 6, 7,
`10.
`
`See EX1006, Claim 6; EX2023, 3, 6, 7,
`10; EX2137, 3, 6, 7, 10.
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`99
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`See EX2042, ¶¶86-155.
`
`See EX2042, ¶¶86-155; EX2126, ¶¶86-
`155.
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`113 EX2042, ¶¶30-42.
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`114 EX2042, ¶¶43-47.
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`118 EX2042, ¶¶73-85.
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`EX2042, ¶¶30-42; EX2126, ¶¶30-42.
`
`EX2042, ¶¶43-47; EX2126, ¶¶43-47.
`
`EX2042, ¶¶73-85; EX2126, ¶¶73-85.
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`118-
`119
`
`Compare EX2042, ¶78 (marketing a full
`set of custom-fit trays for approximately
`$180), with EX2062 (marketing a set of
`four universal-fit mats for approximately
`$42).
`
`Compare EX2042/EX2126, ¶78
`(marketing a full set of custom-fit trays
`for approximately $180), with EX2062
`(marketing a set of four universal-fit mats
`for approximately $42).
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`UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
`____________
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`BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
`____________
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`YITA LLC,
`Petitioner,
`
`v.
`
`MACNEIL IP LLC,
`Patent Owner.
`____________
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`SECOND SUPPLEMENTAL DECLARATION OF TIM A. OSSWALD
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`I, Tim A. Osswald, declare as follows:
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`1.
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`Unless otherwise stated, the facts stated in this Declaration are
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`based on my personal knowledge.
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`2.
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`I understand that Patent Owner was permitted to file additional
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`evidence in support of its position. I have been asked to update my declaration to
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`include citations to the newly admitted evidence.
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`3.
`
`My declaration, submitted as Exhibit 2041 in IPR2020-01139 and
`
`IPR2020-01142, documents my opinions in connection with these proceedings.
`
`4.
`
`Exhibit 2126 is a Corrected Declaration of Ryan Granger
`
`(REDACTED). I have reviewed Exhibit 2126.
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`5.
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`Exhibit 2137 is a Chinese Patent Application No. 87212432 to
`
`Yang, filed July 29, 1998, with attached certified English-language translation. I
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`have reviewed Exhibit 2137.
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`6.
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`Attached as Appendix A to this declaration is a table of the
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`citations in Exhibit 2041, comparing original citations containing Exhibits 2023 or
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`2042 to updated citations including Exhibits 2126 or 2137. The updated citations
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`in Appendix A replace the original citations in the referenced portion of Exhibit
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` declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.
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`EX2041 Citation Updates
`Original Citation
`Updated Citation
`2126 Corrected Declaration of
`Ryan Granger (REDACTED)
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`2137 Chinese Patent Application
`No. 87212432 to Yang, filed July
`29, 1998, with attached certified
`English-language translation
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`97
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`103
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`104
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`110
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`113
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`113
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`114
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`114
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`115
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`EX2042, ¶¶95-116.
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`EX2042, ¶¶117-165.
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`EX2042, ¶¶95-116; EX2126, ¶¶95-
`116.
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`EX2042, ¶¶117-165; EX2126,
`¶¶117-165.
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`Lada Niva Seats. EX2042,
`¶135.
`
`Lada Niva Seats. EX2042, ¶135;
`EX2126, ¶135.
`
`EX2023, 7.
`
`EX2023, 7; EX2137, 7.
`
`EX2012, Cover Page;
`EX2023, 1.
`
`EX2012, Cover Page; EX2023, 1;
`EX2037, 1.
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`EX2023, 2.
`
`EX2023.
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`EX2023, 3.
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`EX2023, 2; EX2037, 2.
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`EX2023; EX2137.
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`EX2023, 3; EX2137, 3.
`
`EX2023, 3 (Chinese
`Abstract of the Creation);
`see also id., 6 (describing
`using “compression molding
`technology” to form the
`floor mat), 7 (describing
`“molding” the three layers
`“by the compression
`molding technology”), 10
`
`EX2023/EX2137, 3 (Chinese
`Abstract of the Creation); see also
`id., 6 (describing using
`“compression molding technology”
`to form the floor mat), 7
`(describing “molding” the three
`layers “by the compression
`molding technology”), 10
`(claiming a structure for a vehicle
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`127
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`(claiming a structure for a
`vehicle floor mat “formed by
`the compression molding
`technology”).
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`floor mat “formed by the
`compression molding
`technology”).
`
`EX2023, 7.
`
`EX2023, 7.
`
`EX2023, 3.
`
`EX2023, 7; EX2137, 7.
`
`EX2023, 7; EX2137, 7.
`
`EX2023, 3; EX2137, 3.
`
`EX2023, 3 (Chinese
`Abstract of the Creation);
`
`EX2023/EX2137, 3 (Chinese
`Abstract of the Creation);
`
`Furthermore, while the foam
`plate and the polyester fabric
`are thermoplastic sheets, the
`net lining, which is made of
`“tough rope yarns”
`(EX2023, 7;), is likely not a
`thermoplastic.
`
`EX1006, ¶0006 (describing
`that “multiple foam particles
`are created on the under net
`lining of the mat” and “[t]he
`mat will not move on the
`capetr [sic] by these foam
`particles”); ¶0011; EX2023,
`6 (describing using
`compression molding to
`form a vehicle floor mat that
`has “anti-slip nodes” on the
`bottom to make it slip
`resistant).
`
`Furthermore, while the foam plate
`and the polyester fabric are
`thermoplastic sheets, the net lining,
`which is made of “tough rope
`yarns” (EX2023, 7; EX2137, 7), is
`likely not a thermoplastic.
`
`EX1006, ¶0006 (describing that
`“multiple foam particles are
`created on the under net lining of
`the mat” and “[t]he mat will not
`move on the capetr [sic] by these
`foam particles”); ¶0011;
`EX2023/EX2137, 6 (describing
`using compression molding to
`form a vehicle floor mat that has
`“anti-slip nodes” on the bottom to
`make it slip resistant).
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