From: Reza Mirzaie <rmirzaie@raklaw.com>
`Subject: Re: Neodron v. Apple 6:20-cv-212-ADA - Claim Terms
`Date: October 19, 2020 at 1:39:59 PM PDT
`To: "Erickson, Brian" <brian.erickson@dlapiper.com>
`Cc: "Guaragna, John" <john.guaragna@dlapiper.com>, Jon Ma <jma@raklaw.com>, "Marc
`Fenster (mfenster@raklaw.com)" <mfenster@raklaw.com>, "Gibson, Erin"
`<erin.gibson@dlapiper.com>, "Heintz, James M." <jim.heintz@dlapiper.com>,
`"Padmanabhan, Nandan" <nandan.padmanabhan@dlapiper.com>, "Fowler, Mark"
`<mark.fowler@dlapiper.com>, "Buergi, Robert" <robert.buergi@dlapiper.com>,
`"McLaughlin, Erin" <erin.mclaughlin@dlapiper.com>, "Lineberry, Alice"
`<alice.lineberry@dlapiper.com>, "rak_neodron@raklaw.com" <rak_neodron@raklaw.com>,
`Philip Wang <pwang@raklaw.com>
`
`Hello,
`
`Thanks for the call last week. Here is some feedback on the items we discussed:
`
`On the ‘351 patent:
`
`on the first dispute, we can agree to this compromise proposal: “a [first]/[second] non-
`capaci]ve sensor element, the resistance of which varies in rela]on to applied force;” and
`
`on “circuitry operable to…,” our posi]on is that plain and ordinary meaning applies and that the
`phrase needs no further construc]on. Also, our posi]on is that the disputed term is not subject
`to 112/6, but should the Court interpret it to be subject to 112/6, then the correct
`However, if the Court decides the term is subject to 112/6, then the func]on and
`corresponding structure would be:
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`Func]on: determine, based on the measured parameter, an amount of force
`applied to a sensing area of the touch sensing panel.
`Structure: (a) control unit 20; (b) processor 23; (c) circuit 32; (d) circuit 33; or (e)
`circuit 34, and equivalents thereof
`
`On the ’502 patent:
`
`we do not believe the terms/construc]ons for the terms “sensing cells” or “sensing area”
`require further construc]on; and
`
`regarding the “wherein clause,” while we do not believe the claim requires one specific shape,
`the connec]ons nevertheless must be "wrap-around connec]ons."
`
`Thank you.
`Reza
`
`Reza Mirzaie
`Russ August & Kabat
`12424 Wilshire Blvd., 12th Floor
`Los Angeles, CA 90025
`(310) 979-8251
`rmirzaie@raklaw.com
`
`On Oct 13, 2020, at 6:50 AM, Erickson, Brian <brian.erickson@dlapiper.com> wrote:
`
`Reza,
`Noon-1 Pacific works for us.
`Thanks,
`Brian
`
`From: Reza <rmirzaie@raklaw.com>
`Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 8:17:34 AM
`To: Guaragna, John <John.Guaragna@us.dlapiper.com>
`Cc: Erickson, Brian <Brian.Erickson@us.dlapiper.com>; Jon Ma <jma@raklaw.com>;
`Marc Fenster (mfenster@raklaw.com) <mfenster@raklaw.com>; Gibson, Erin
`<Erin.Gibson@us.dlapiper.com>; Heintz, James M. <Jim.Heintz@us.dlapiper.com>;
`Padmanabhan, Nandan <nandan.padmanabhan@us.dlapiper.com>; Fowler, Mark
`<Mark.Fowler@us.dlapiper.com>; Buergi, Robert
`<Robert.Buergi@us.dlapiper.com>; McLaughlin, Erin
`<erin.mclaughlin@us.dlapiper.com>; Lineberry, Alice
`<alice.lineberry@us.dlapiper.com>;
`rak_neodron@raklaw.com<rak_neodron@raklaw.com>; Philip Wang
`<pwang@raklaw.com>
`Subject: Re: Neodron v. Apple 6:20-cv-212-ADA - Claim Terms
`[EXTERNAL]
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`Hello,
`
`Anytime between Noon and 2:30 PM PST Friday works for us.
`
`Thanks
`Reza
`
`On Oct 13, 2020, at 5:57 AM, Guaragna, John
`<john.guaragna@dlapiper.com> wrote:
`
`Reza: When can your team have a call on this? We’d like to talk
`this week.
`
`Best,
`-john
`
`John M. Guaragna
`Co-Managing Partner
`Austin Office
`
`T +1 512 457 7125
`
`john.guaragna@us.dlapiper.com
`
`
`DLA Piper LLP (US)
`401 Congress Avenue
`Suite 2500
`Austin, TX 78701-3799
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`<image001.png>
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`dlapiper.com
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`
`
`From: Erickson, Brian <Brian.Erickson@us.dlapiper.com>
`Sent: Monday, October 05, 2020 9:54 PM
`To: Jon Ma <jma@raklaw.com>; Guaragna, John
`<John.Guaragna@us.dlapiper.com>
`Cc: Marc Fenster (mfenster@raklaw.com) <mfenster@raklaw.com>;
`Gibson, Erin <Erin.Gibson@us.dlapiper.com>; Heintz, James M.
`<Jim.Heintz@us.dlapiper.com>; Padmanabhan, Nandan
`<nandan.padmanabhan@us.dlapiper.com>; Fowler, Mark
`<Mark.Fowler@us.dlapiper.com>; Buergi, Robert
`<Robert.Buergi@us.dlapiper.com>; McLaughlin, Erin
`<erin.mclaughlin@us.dlapiper.com>; Lineberry, Alice
`<alice.lineberry@us.dlapiper.com>; rak_neodron@raklaw.com;
`rmirzaie@raklaw.com; Philip Wang <pwang@raklaw.com>
`Subject: Re: Neodron v. Apple 6:20-cv-212-ADA - Claim Terms
`
`Counsel for Neodron,
`
`Please let us know when you are available to discuss the proposed
`construc]ons in an asempt to narrow the issues in dispute.
`
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`Sincerely,
`Brian
`
`
`From: "Erickson, Brian" <Brian.Erickson@us.dlapiper.com>
`Date: Friday, October 2, 2020 at 7:59 PM
`To: Jon Ma <jma@raklaw.com>, John Guaragna
`<John.Guaragna@us.dlapiper.com>
`Cc: "Marc Fenster (mfenster@raklaw.com)"
`<mfenster@raklaw.com>, "Gibson, Erin"
`<Erin.Gibson@us.dlapiper.com>, "Heintz, James M."
`<Jim.Heintz@us.dlapiper.com>, "Padmanabhan, Nandan"
`<nandan.padmanabhan@us.dlapiper.com>, "Fowler, Mark"
`<Mark.Fowler@us.dlapiper.com>, "Buergi, Robert"
`<Robert.Buergi@us.dlapiper.com>, "McLaughlin, Erin"
`<erin.mclaughlin@us.dlapiper.com>, "Lineberry, Alice"
`<alice.lineberry@us.dlapiper.com>, "rak_neodron@raklaw.com"
`<rak_neodron@raklaw.com>, Reza Mirzaie
`<rmirzaie@raklaw.com>, Philip Wang <pwang@raklaw.com>
`Subject: Re: Neodron v. Apple 6:20-cv-212-ADA - Claim Terms
`
`Counsel for Neodron: Pursuant to the Court’s OGP, Apple proposes
`the following construc]ons in this case:
`
`784 patent:
`
`
`784 Claim Term
`“pitch” (claims 1-3)
`
`“wherein the plurality of
`drive electrodes are
`substan]ally area filling
`within the sensing region
`rela]ve to the plurality of
`sense electrodes” (claims
`1-3)
`“together, the plurality of
`sense electrodes and the
`plurality of isolated
`conduc]ve elements are
`substan]ally area filling
`within the sensing region
`rela]ve to the plurality of
`sense electrodes” (claims
`1-3)
`
`
`502 patent:
`
`
`Apple Proposed ConstrucJon
`“distance from the center of one
`electrode to the center of an adjacent
`electrode”
`“where the drive electrodes are
`substan]ally area filling and where the
`drive electrodes are more area filling
`than the sense electrodes”
`
`“where the sense electrodes and
`isolated conduc]ve elements are
`substan]ally area filling and where the
`sense electrodes and isolated
`conduc]ve elements are more area
`filling than the sense electrodes”
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`502 Claim Term
`“electrically coupled”
`(claims 1-2, 5-8, 11-14, 16)
`“a substrate having a
`surface with an
`arrangement of electrodes
`mounted thereon” (claims
`1-2, 5-8, 11-14, 16)
`
`“sensing cells” (claims 1-2,
`5-8, 11-14, 16)
`
`“sensing area” (claims 1-2,
`5-8, 11-14, 16)
`
`“wherein row sensing
`electrodes of sensing cells
`at opposing ends of at
`least one of the rows are
`electrically coupled to one
`another by respec]ve row
`wrap-around connec]ons
`made outside of the
`sensing area” (claims 1-2,
`5-8, 11-14, 16)
`
`“wrap-around connec]on”
`(claims 1-2, 5-8, 11-14, 16)
`
`“a plurality of capacitance
`measurement channels”
`(claims 5-8)
`“substan]ally
`synchronously in phase”
`(claim 8)
`
`
`351 patent:
`
`
`351 Claim Term
`“a [first]/[second] variable
`
`Apple Proposed ConstrucJon
`“connected with an electrical
`conductor”
`“a substrate having a surface with an
`arrangement of electrodes mounted
`thereon,” but wherein “a surface of
`the substrate is a subset of the
`surface area of the substrate and not
`the en]re surface area or opposing
`surfaces of the substrate”
`“the area defined by the por]ons of a
`column sensing electrode and a row
`sensing electrode at the intersec]on
`of a row and column in the array that
`forms the sensing area”
`
`Otherwise, indefinite
`“an area whose boundaries are fixed
`by the outermost edges of the
`sensing cells of the posi]on sensor”
`
`Otherwise, indefinite
`“wherein row sensing electrodes of
`sensing cells at opposing ends of at
`least one of the rows are electrically
`coupled to one another by respec]ve
`row wrap-around connec]ons made
`outside of the sensing area” and
`which requires a connec]on with any
`shape that wraps around electrodes
`in the row other than the two
`electrodes at opposing ends of the
`row
`Apple has proposed a construc]on of
`this term in the context of the larger
`“wherein” term Neodron proposed.
`Therefore, Apple does believe this
`term requires a separate
`construc]on.
`Apple proposes dropping this term,
`unless Neodron’s proposed
`construc]on indicates a dispute.
`Apple proposes dropping this term,
`unless Neodron’s proposed
`construc]on indicates a dispute.
`
`Apple Proposed ConstrucJon
`“a [first]/[second] element the
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`resistance element”
`(claims 1-10 for [first] and
`claims 5-7 for [second])
`
`“to measure a parameter
`of the first variable
`resistance element”
`(claims 1-10)
`“a limi]ng resistance
`element connected in
`series with the
`[first]/[second] variable
`resistance element”
`(claims 4 [first] and 7
`[second])
`“a bias resistance element
`connected in parallel with
`the [first]/[second]
`variable resistance
`element” (claims 3 [first]
`and 6 [second])
`
`“circuitry operable to
`determine, based on the
`measured parameter, an
`amount of force applied to
`a sensing area of the
`touch sensing panel”
`(claims 1-10)
`
`“wherein the circuitry is
`operable to determine an
`amount of force applied to
`
`electrical resistance of which varies in
`rela]on to applied force” where the
`“variable resistance element” “is
`limited to a type of resis]ve force
`sensor—as opposed to a capaci]ve or
`piezoelectric force sensor.”
`Plain and ordinary meaning, no
`construc]on necessary.
`
`“a resistance element connected in
`series with the [first]/[second]
`variable resistance element that limits
`the maximum current flow through
`the variable resistance element to the
`input of the integrator circuit”
`
`“a resistance element connected in
`parallel with the [first]/[second]
`variable resistance element that
`provides a current path to the input
`of the integrator if the variable
`resistance element has a very high
`value”
`Construc]on: plain and ordinary
`meaning, which is “a combina]on of
`electrical devices and conductors that
`form a conduc]ng path that
`determines, based on the measured
`parameter, an amount of force
`applied to a sensing area of the touch
`sensing panel”
`
`Alterna]vely: “circuitry” is a nonce
`word and subject to § 112 ¶ 6.
`
`Func]on: determine, based on the
`measured parameter, an amount of
`force applied to a sensing area of the
`touch sensing panel.
`
`Structure: (1) a simple threshold on
`the output of the integrator (see
`5:33-37); (2) control unit 20
`performing the algorithm at 5:20-33;
`or, (3) control unit 20 performing the
`algorithm at 6:32-39, 48-55, and
`equivalents thereof.
`Construc]on: plain and ordinary
`meaning, which is “wherein the
`combina]on of electrical devices and
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`amount of force applied to
`the sensing area using a
`differen]al measurement”
`(351 claim 9)
`
`combina]on of electrical devices and
`conductors that form a conduc]ng
`path that determines an amount of
`force applied to the sensing area
`using a differen]al measurement”
`
`Alterna]vely: “circuitry” is a nonce
`word and subject to § 112 ¶ 6.
`
`Func]on: determine an amount of
`force applied to the sensing area
`using a differen]al measurement
`
`Structure: control unit 20 performing
`the algorithm at 6:32-39, 48-55 and
`equivalents thereof.
`
`
`Sincerely,
`Brian
`
`
`
`From: Jon Ma <jma@raklaw.com>
`Date: Friday, October 2, 2020 at 7:07 PM
`To: John Guaragna <John.Guaragna@us.dlapiper.com>
`Cc: "Marc Fenster (mfenster@raklaw.com)"
`<mfenster@raklaw.com>, "Erickson, Brian"
`<Brian.Erickson@us.dlapiper.com>, "Gibson, Erin"
`<Erin.Gibson@us.dlapiper.com>, "Heintz, James M."
`<Jim.Heintz@us.dlapiper.com>, "Padmanabhan, Nandan"
`<nandan.padmanabhan@us.dlapiper.com>, "Fowler, Mark"
`<Mark.Fowler@us.dlapiper.com>, "Buergi, Robert"
`<Robert.Buergi@us.dlapiper.com>, "McLaughlin, Erin"
`<erin.mclaughlin@us.dlapiper.com>, "Lineberry, Alice"
`<alice.lineberry@us.dlapiper.com>, "rak_neodron@raklaw.com"
`<rak_neodron@raklaw.com>, Reza Mirzaie
`<rmirzaie@raklaw.com>, Philip Wang <pwang@raklaw.com>
`Subject: Re: Neodron v. Apple 6:20-cv-212-ADA - Claim Terms
`
`[EXTERNAL]
`Hi John,
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`Hi John,
`
`Can we agree on a mutual 6 p.m. PT service of proposed constructions
`today?
`
`Thanks,
`Jon
`
`Jon Ma
`Russ, August & Kabat
`12424 Wilshire Boulevard, 12th Floor | Los Angeles, California 90025
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`From: "Guaragna, John" <john.guaragna@dlapiper.com>
`Date: Monday, September 21, 2020 at 3:52 PM
`To: Jon Ma <jma@raklaw.com>, "rak_neodron@raklaw.com"
`<rak_neodron@raklaw.com>
`Cc: "Marc Fenster (mfenster@raklaw.com)"
`<mfenster@raklaw.com>, "Erickson, Brian"
`<brian.erickson@dlapiper.com>, "Gibson, Erin"
`<erin.gibson@dlapiper.com>, "Heintz, James M."
`<jim.heintz@dlapiper.com>, "Padmanabhan, Nandan"
`<nandan.padmanabhan@dlapiper.com>, "Fowler, Mark"
`<mark.fowler@dlapiper.com>, "Buergi, Robert"
`<robert.buergi@dlapiper.com>, "McLaughlin, Erin"
`<erin.mclaughlin@dlapiper.com>, "Lineberry, Alice"
`<alice.lineberry@dlapiper.com>, "rak_neodron@raklaw.com"
`<rak_neodron@raklaw.com>, Reza Mirzaie
`<rmirzaie@raklaw.com>, Philip Wang <pwang@raklaw.com>
`Subject: RE: Neodron v. Apple 6:20-cv-212-ADA - Claim Terms
`
`Counsel for Neodron: Pursuant to the Court’s OGP, Apple
`iden]fies the following terms for claim construc]on in this case:
`
`
`784 Patent: None
`
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`502 Patent:
`
` ·
`
` “electrically coupled” (502 Patent claims 1-2, 5-8, 11-
`14, 16)
`· “sensing cells” (502 Patent claims 1-2, 5-8, 11-14, 16)
`· “sensing area” (502 Patent claims 1-2, 5-8, 11-14, 16)
`· “wherein row sensing electrodes of sensing cells at
`opposing ends of at least one of the rows are
`electrically coupled to one another by respec]ve row
`wrap-around connec]ons made outside of the sensing
`area” (502 Patent claims 1-2, 5-8, 11-14, 16)
`· “a substrate having a surface with an arrangement of
`electrodes mounted thereon” (502 Patent claims 1-2,
`5-8, 11-14, 16)
`· “a plurality of capacitance measurement channels”
`(’502 patent, claims 5-8)
`· “substan]ally synchronously in phase” (’502 patent,
`claim 8)
`· “wrap-around connec]ons” (’502 patent, claims 1-2,
`4)
`
`Page 9 of 10
`
`351 Patent:
`
` ·
`
` “a [first]/[second] variable resistance element” (351
`claims 1-10 for [first] and claims 5-7 for [second])
`· “circuitry operable to determine, based on the
`measured parameter, an amount of force applied to a
`sensing area of the touch sensing panel” (351 claims
`1-10)
`· “a limi]ng resistance element connected in series with
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
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`
`
`
`
`
`
`· “a limi]ng resistance element connected in series with
`the first variable resistance element” (351 claims 3
`and 6)
`· “bias resistance element connected in parallel with the
`first variable resistance element” (351 claims 4 and 7)
`· “wherein the circuitry is operable to determine an
`amount of force applied to the sensing area using a
`differen]al measurement” (351 claim 9)
`· “wherein the circuitry is further operable to determine
`a loca]on in a sensing area of the touch sensing panel
`associated with the determined amount of force” (351
`claim 10)
`
`
`Best,
`-john
`
`John M. Guaragna
`Co-Managing Partner
`Austin Office
`
`T +1 512 457 7125
`
`john.guaragna@us.dlapiper.com
`
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