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` IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
` FOR THE DISTRICT OF DELAWARE
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`INGENICO, INC., )
`
` )
` Plaintiff, )
` ) C.A. No. 18-826(WCB)
`v.
` )
` )
`IOENGINE, LLC, )
` )
` Defendant. )
`_________________________)
`IOENGINE LLC, )
` )
` Plaintiff, )
` ) C.A. No. 18-452(WCB)
`v. )
` )
`PAYPAL HOLDINGS, INC., )
` )
` Defendant. )
`Monday, December 17, 2018
`1:55 p.m.
`Courtroom 4A
`844 King Street
`Wilmington, Delaware
`
`
`
`BEFORE: THE HONORABLE WILLIAM C. BRYSON
` United States District Court Judge
`
`APPEARANCES:
`
`RICHARDS LAYTON & FINGER, P.A.
`BY: FREDERICK L. COTTRELL, III, ESQ.
` -and-
`
` SUNSTEIN KANN MURPHY & TIMBERS, LLP
` BY: SHARONA H. STERNBERG, ESQ.
`
`
`Counsel for the Plaintiff
`
` Ingenico, Inc.
`
`PayPal, Inc. v. IOENGINE LLC
`IPR2019-00885 (US 8,539,047)
`Exhibit 2095
`Page 1 of 4
`
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`
` IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
` FOR THE DISTRICT OF DELAWARE
`
`1
`
`INGENICO, INC., )
`
` )
` Plaintiff, )
` ) C.A. No. 18-826(WCB)
`v.
` )
` )
`IOENGINE, LLC, )
` )
` Defendant. )
`_________________________)
`IOENGINE LLC, )
` )
` Plaintiff, )
` ) C.A. No. 18-452(WCB)
`v. )
` )
`PAYPAL HOLDINGS, INC., )
` )
` Defendant. )
`Monday, December 17, 2018
`1:55 p.m.
`Courtroom 4A
`844 King Street
`Wilmington, Delaware
`
`
`
`BEFORE: THE HONORABLE WILLIAM C. BRYSON
` United States District Court Judge
`
`APPEARANCES:
`
`RICHARDS LAYTON & FINGER, P.A.
`BY: FREDERICK L. COTTRELL, III, ESQ.
` -and-
`
` SUNSTEIN KANN MURPHY & TIMBERS, LLP
` BY: SHARONA H. STERNBERG, ESQ.
`
`
`Counsel for the Plaintiff
`
` Ingenico, Inc.
`
`PayPal, Inc. v. IOENGINE LLC
`IPR2019-00885 (US 8,539,047)
`Exhibit 2095
`Page 1 of 4
`
`
`
`106
`
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`production. Essentially what PayPal did was give us
`unreadable because they are not the original source, but
`what was very publically available from their SDKs. I know
`my colleague, Mr. Leibowitz briefly spoke about SDKs as did
`I. But principally in SDKs there are three different
`things. There is precompiled code which is unreadable by
`people anyway. There is sometimes sample source code and
`that source code is an example of how to call the
`precompiler code. And I believe that's what counsel for
`PayPal is referring to when they said the source code could
`be modified. Yes, there is example source code that could
`be modified, but what cannot be modified is the precompiled
`code.
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`Lastly there is typically documentation. In the
`case of PayPal we have a strong reason to believe that
`documentation was computer generated based on the sample
`code and the definitions of the functions. So what we were
`really left with was we don't have any information on
`precompiled code.
`THE COURT: To cut to the chase, what I'm
`hearing you saying is once you get that information, you
`will be in a position to cut down considerably. It seems to
`me we have the makings of a deal, which is you get the
`information, you cut down the claims.
`MR. CHUEBON: Yes, Your Honor. Thank you.
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`PayPal, Inc. v. IOENGINE LLC
`IPR2019-00885 (US 8,539,047)
`Exhibit 2095
`Page 2 of 4
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`THE COURT: If Mr. Blumenfeld, if you can
`produce information that will facilitate the substantial
`reduction of the number of claims, then we're all going to
`be better off.
`MR. BLUMENFELD: We understand that. We will
`work on it. I'm note going to respond to the comments other
`than to say we gave them a second round of production a
`while ago. We haven't heard anything back. But we'll work
`with them to get them more information.
`THE COURT: Let's work in good faith to see if
`we can -- this is a roadblock that seems to me we should be
`able to get by. Let's see if we can't do it.
`Okay. The number of interrogatories everybody
`seems in agreement now. The depositions we have a
`disagreement about the Scott McNulty deposition, there is
`the question of whether it should be -- I'll tell you, it
`really comes down to ten hours versus fourteen hours. Is
`that it?
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`MR. CHUEBON: It's close, Your Honor. We're
`requesting ten hours be split as the other parties see fit
`between 30(b)(1) and 30(b)(6.), I believe that PayPal and
`Ingenico are asking for fourteen hours under 30(b)(1) and
`essentially however many 30(b)(6) witnesses they get, seven
`hours on each.
`THE COURT: I'm not sure I understand the
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`PayPal, Inc. v. IOENGINE LLC
`IPR2019-00885 (US 8,539,047)
`Exhibit 2095
`Page 3 of 4
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`even if the time is past. There is always an opportunity to
`move for an amendment out of time which, of course, would
`provoke the usual does this justify a good cause prejudice
`and so forth. But I'm inclined to give a little bit more
`time on the front end so we don't have a big war over an
`out-of-time amendment. I will take that under
`consideration.
`Thank you.
`MR. BLUMENFELD: Thank you.
`MR. CHUEBON: Thank you, Your Honor.
`THE COURT: We are adjourned.
`(Court adjourned at 4:53 p.m.)
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`I hereby certify the foregoing is a true and accurate
`transcript from my stenographic notes in the proceeding.
`
`/s/ Dale C. Hawkins
` Official Court Reporter
` U.S. District Court
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`PayPal, Inc. v. IOENGINE LLC
`IPR2019-00885 (US 8,539,047)
`Exhibit 2095
`Page 4 of 4
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