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` JUDGE BISK: Good morning. This is
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`Judge Bisk, and I have Judges Quinn and Chang on
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` Can we do a roll call for who is on
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`the line, starting with the patent owner?
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` MR. DONAHUE: Hi, Your Honor. This
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`Licensing.
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` JUDGE BISK: Okay. Thank you.
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` And then let's do -- let's go with
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`believe the only petitioner left in 2017-00415.
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` MR. DONAHUE: That's right, Your
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`Honor. This is Greg Donahue, for patent owner,
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` JUDGE BISK: Okay. I noticed that
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`yesterday, is that correct, for the 415 case?
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` MR. DONAHUE: Yes, Your Honor. I
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` JUDGE BISK: Before we move on to
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`the other parties that are on the line, can I
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` One question I have is there's
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`terminate in that case. So can you just update
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` MR. DONAHUE: Your Honor, I'm glad
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`I will alert them immediately that they need to
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` JUDGE BISK: Okay. Thank you.
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`That's kind of what we were figuring. I just
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`wanted to make sure.
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` And while we're talking about those
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`cases, that set of cases, there's one more case,
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`IPR2017-00714. That's the same patent as
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`2017-00443. It looks like that case is going to
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`continue, the 714 case. I believe Samsung is
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` MR. DONAHUE: Your Honor, this is,
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`that one, unlike the case that we may be talking
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` JUDGE BISK: Okay.
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` MR. DONAHUE: -- in a timely
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` MS. BEYER: Your Honor, this is
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`IPR2017-00714, and that one is continuing.
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` JUDGE BISK: Okay. Thank you.
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` We have on our schedule that there's
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` MR. DONAHUE: So if that's the 714
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`proceeding that involves the '399 patent, again,
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`that's a different law firm that is handling
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` JUDGE BISK: Oh, I see.
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` MR. DONAHUE: If they filed a
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` JUDGE BISK: Okay. Thank you.
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`Well, we don't have to talk about that anymore.
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`We can deal with that separately.
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` All right. So let's find out who's
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` MR. MAIORANA: Good morning, Your
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`Honor. This is David Maiorana. I represent the
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` JUDGE BISK: Okay. Anyone else? It
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` MS. BEYER: Yes, we are.
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` JUDGE BISK: Okay.
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` MR. BLACKMAN: Good morning, Your
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` JUDGE BISK: Okay. Thank you.
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` MR. UNGERMAN: Mark Ungerman, on
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` JUDGE BISK: Okay. Thank you.
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` Do we have a court reporter on the
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` THE COURT REPORTER: Yes. Renee
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` JUDGE BISK: Can whoever arranged
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` MR. MAIORANA: Yes, we will, Your
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`Honor. This is David Maiorana.
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` JUDGE BISK: Actually, the only
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` MR. DONAHUE: Yes, Your Honor, we
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` JUDGE BISK: Okay. Thank you.
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` So let's get to the actual reason
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`Mr. Maiorana, you wanted to talk about perhaps
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`filing a reply brief in the 415 case?
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` MR. MAIORANA: Yes. Thank you, Your
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`Honor. We have filed IPR2018-00410, as you
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` JUDGE BISK: Yes. It's hard to keep
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` MR. MAIORANA: But right now pending
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` JUDGE BISK: Okay. Now, I think I
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`own?
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` MR. MAIORANA: It cannot, Your
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` JUDGE BISK: Okay. So go ahead.
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`I'm sorry. I interrupted you, Mr. Maiorana. Go
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` MR. MAIORANA: So, Your Honor, the
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` So what we want to talk about today
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`is a mechanism for how to do that. We met and
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`conferred with Mr. Donahue about their position
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`on this, and they not only opposed the joinder
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` What we would propose on today's
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`415 IPR, given that we've all been defending
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` What we would propose today is to
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` We gave Mr. Donahue a heads-up on
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`proposing a revised schedule that just moves
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`those dates basically by a couple of weeks or
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`so, but maintains the February 13th date. So I
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`can tell you what the dates are we would propose
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`now or we can come up with another way to
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`present that to you, but our understanding is
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`that patent owner would oppose any efforts by
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` JUDGE BISK: Can I ask a question
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`about the 410 case? I don't believe that one
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`discussed that last time. Have you received a
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` MR. MAIORANA: No, we have not, Your
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` JUDGE BISK: Okay. Thanks.
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` Patent owner, can I get your take on
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` MR. DONAHUE: Sure.
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` I guess we'll start with the issue
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`note that the original reply brief deadline for
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`this proceeding was actually November 17th,
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`2017, which was almost, I guess, two months ago.
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`The patent owner and the original petitioners
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`joined Olympus, and the original petitioners,
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`the patent owner at this point.
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` As you probably can imagine, we feel
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`the IPRs. We think the Board can see for
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` The settlement agreements, which,
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` Samsung, as you noted earlier in the
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`with Olympus. There's no reason they couldn't
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`have done the exact same thing in this
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`proceedings. So we object to really all of
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`this.
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` JUDGE BISK: I just want to point
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` I guess I'd like to adjourn the
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` MR. MAIORANA: I don't know if this
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`address the procedural point, we gave notice to
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`ZTE's counsel that this call was happening and
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`they chose not to attend. I guess I'm not sure
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`that we should be prejudiced by that. It's
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`Your Honor is saying.
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` I guess what is left -- I just heard
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`Mr. Donahue make substantive arguments about the
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`the contingent reply, but if Your Honor would
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`the Board does grant joinder, we would seek to
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` JUDGE BISK: Okay. Hang on. I'm
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` JUDGE BISK: Okay. This is Judge
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`Bisk. I'm back. I talked to the panel and we
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`just don't see a way to accommodate the 410
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` MR. DONAHUE: No. I just want to be
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`separate proceeding?
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` JUDGE BISK: Right. Actually, I
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`think -- well, I believe that there are two
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`motions. There's a motion for joinder and a
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`motion to waive or suspend Rule 122. So I think
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` MR. DONAHUE: So those deadlines are
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`January 29th, 2018. I think the Board indicated
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`that you've already received -- since you're the
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`panel that's been assigned the 415, you've
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`received (inaudible) ZTE the Papst motions to
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`terminate, so it's at your discretion, I guess,
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`whether you act on that before we respond to
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`that. You don't have involvement necessarily in
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`this other IPR, until you're assigned to it. Is
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`that correct?
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` JUDGE BISK: Yes, exactly.
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` Unless there's anything else, let's
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` MR. DONAHUE: That's all for patent
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`owner. Thank you, Your Honor.
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`Canon Inc. v. Papst Licensing GmbH & Co. KG
`IPR2018-00410
`Exhibit 1025
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`Canon Inc. v. Papst Licensing GmbH & Co. KG
`IPR2018-00410
`Exhibit 1025
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