`Thursday, September 6, 2018 5:44 PM
`Kelton, Thomas; McDole, Jamie; Andy Ehmke IPR; Calmann Clements IPR
`Jim Etheridge; Ryan Loveless; Danny Butts; Jeff Huang
`RE: IPR2018-00289. Patent Owner's Response to Petition
`
`From:
`Sent:
`To:
`Cc:
`Subject:
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`Thomas,
`
`Thank you for the courtesy of providing your proposed email for review. The statement “and all references or citations
`to the declaration in any filing, as the declarant is unavailable for cross‐examination” may be confusing to the Board
`given that there are no such references or citations made in the Patent Owner Response. We request either taking out
`that statement or adding the parenthetical (no such references or citations to the declaration are made in the Patent
`Owner Response).
`
`Thanks,
`Brett
`
`From: Kelton, Thomas <Thomas.Kelton@haynesboone.com>
`Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2018 5:36 PM
`To: Brett Mangrum <brett@etheridgelaw.com>; McDole, Jamie <Jamie.McDole@haynesboone.com>; Andy Ehmke IPR
`<andy.ehmke.ipr@haynesboone.com>; Calmann Clements IPR <Calmann.Clements.ipr@haynesboone.com>
`Cc: Jim Etheridge <jim@etheridgelaw.com>; Ryan Loveless <ryan@etheridgelaw.com>; Danny Butts
`<danny@etheridgelaw.com>; Jeff Huang <jeff@etheridgelaw.com>
`Subject: RE: IPR2018‐00289. Patent Owner's Response to Petition
`
`Brett, please tell me if you are okay with this message to the Board:
`
`In IPR2018‐00289, Petitioner Apple respectfully requests permission to file an Unopposed Motion to Strike under 37 CFR
`42.5(a) and 42.7(a). Specifically, the Petitioner seeks to strike the Easttom Declaration (Exhibit 2001) and all references
`or citations to the declaration in any filing, as the declarant is unavailable for cross‐examination. Petitioner and Patent
`Owner have conferred, and Patent Owner indicates that they do not oppose the motion.
`If needed, Petitioner and Patent Owner are available for a Board call any time on Monday or Wednesday between
`10:00am and 12:30pm EDT or at another time convenient for the Board.
`
`Thomas Kelton
`Partner
`(t) 972.739.6923
`From: Kelton, Thomas
`Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 6:19 PM
`To: 'Brett Mangrum' <brett@etheridgelaw.com>; McDole, Jamie <Jamie.McDole@haynesboone.com>; Andy Ehmke IPR
`<Andy.Ehmke.ipr@haynesboone.com>; Calmann Clements IPR <Calmann.Clements.ipr@haynesboone.com>
`Cc: Jim Etheridge <jim@etheridgelaw.com>; Ryan Loveless <ryan@etheridgelaw.com>; Danny Butts
`<danny@etheridgelaw.com>; Jeff Huang <jeff@etheridgelaw.com>
`Subject: RE: IPR2018‐00289. Patent Owner's Response to Petition
`
`Brett,
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`Thank you for your response. We will reach out to the Board to set up a call on either Monday (anytime) or Wednesday
`between 9am and 11:30am CDT to discuss the motion to strike.
`
`Thomas Kelton
`Partner
`(t) 972.739.6923
`From: Brett Mangrum <brett@etheridgelaw.com>
`Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 5:38 PM
`To: Kelton, Thomas <Thomas.Kelton@haynesboone.com>; McDole, Jamie <Jamie.McDole@haynesboone.com>; Andy
`Ehmke IPR <Andy.Ehmke.ipr@haynesboone.com>; Calmann Clements IPR <Calmann.Clements.ipr@haynesboone.com>
`Cc: Jim Etheridge <jim@etheridgelaw.com>; Ryan Loveless <ryan@etheridgelaw.com>; Danny Butts
`<danny@etheridgelaw.com>; Jeff Huang <jeff@etheridgelaw.com>
`Subject: RE: IPR2018‐00289. Patent Owner's Response to Petition
`
`Thomas,
`
`While we still feel the most appropriate option under the circumstances is for petitioner to file an unopposed motion to
`exclude, and we note that Petitioner had originally recommended this option (albeit via a motion filed, instead, by
`patent owner), given your present preference for a motion to strike, upon consideration, we recommend you pursue
`that option.
`
`Thanks,
`Brett
`
`From: Kelton, Thomas <Thomas.Kelton@haynesboone.com>
`Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 1:14 PM
`To: Brett Mangrum <brett@etheridgelaw.com>; McDole, Jamie <Jamie.McDole@haynesboone.com>; Andy Ehmke IPR
`<andy.ehmke.ipr@haynesboone.com>; Calmann Clements IPR <Calmann.Clements.ipr@haynesboone.com>
`Cc: Jim Etheridge <jim@etheridgelaw.com>; Ryan Loveless <ryan@etheridgelaw.com>; Danny Butts
`<danny@etheridgelaw.com>; Jeff Huang <jeff@etheridgelaw.com>
`Subject: RE: IPR2018‐00289. Patent Owner's Response to Petition
`
`Brett, thank you for the meet and confer today. I should be in the rest of the afternoon (except from 2pm‐3pm). Please
`reach out regarding the motion to strike and stipulation language when you get a chance.
`
` got your voicemail—I don’t think a motion to exclude would get us where we need to be, and it wouldn’t be decided
`until the Final Written Decision. Here is a good reference:
`https://www.uspto.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Boardside_Chat_Motions_to_Exclude_and_Motions_to_Strike_2
`0180607.pdf
`
`Best regards,
`
`Thomas Kelton
`Partner
`(t) 972.739.6923
`From: Kelton, Thomas
`Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:32 PM
`To: 'Brett Mangrum' <brett@etheridgelaw.com>; McDole, Jamie <Jamie.McDole@haynesboone.com>; Andy Ehmke IPR
`<Andy.Ehmke.ipr@haynesboone.com>; Calmann Clements IPR <Calmann.Clements.ipr@haynesboone.com>
`Cc: Jim Etheridge <jim@etheridgelaw.com>; Ryan Loveless <ryan@etheridgelaw.com>; Danny Butts
`<danny@etheridgelaw.com>; Jeff Huang <jeff@etheridgelaw.com>
`Subject: RE: IPR2018‐00289. Patent Owner's Response to Petition
`
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`Brett, I invited you, and feel free to forward the invite to any of your colleagues. Andy Ehmke and I will attend from
`Haynes Boone.
`
`Thomas Kelton
`Partner
`(t) 972.739.6923
`From: Brett Mangrum <brett@etheridgelaw.com>
`Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:15 PM
`To: Kelton, Thomas <Thomas.Kelton@haynesboone.com>; McDole, Jamie <Jamie.McDole@haynesboone.com>; Andy
`Ehmke IPR <Andy.Ehmke.ipr@haynesboone.com>; Calmann Clements IPR <Calmann.Clements.ipr@haynesboone.com>
`Cc: Jim Etheridge <jim@etheridgelaw.com>; Ryan Loveless <ryan@etheridgelaw.com>; Danny Butts
`<danny@etheridgelaw.com>; Jeff Huang <jeff@etheridgelaw.com>
`Subject: RE: IPR2018‐00289. Patent Owner's Response to Petition
`
`Thomas,
`
`We are available starting at 10am CST for a conference call between the parties Wednesday morning of next week, as
`proposed. Please circulate dial in information with your calendar invite.
`
`Enjoy the holiday weekend.
`
`Regards,
`Brett
`
`From: "Kelton, Thomas" <Thomas.Kelton@haynesboone.com>
`Date: August 29, 2018 at 6:30:32 PM CDT
`To: Brett Mangrum <brett@etheridgelaw.com>
`Cc: Ryan Loveless <ryan@etheridgelaw.com>, "McDole, Jamie" <Jamie.McDole@haynesboone.com>,
`Jim Etheridge <jim@etheridgelaw.com>, "Jeff Huang" <jeff@etheridgelaw.com>, Andy Ehmke IPR
`<andy.ehmke.ipr@haynesboone.com>, Calmann Clements IPR
`<Calmann.Clements.ipr@haynesboone.com>, Danny Butts <danny@etheridgelaw.com>
`Subject: RE: IPR2018‐00289. Patent Owner's Response to Petition
`
`Brett,
`
`
`We are available to meet and confer Wednesday morning anytime between 9am and 10:30am CDT next
`week. Please tell us if that works, and I will circulate a calendar invite. As we discussed, here is the
`authority for taking your expert’s deposition:
`
`
` Trial Practice Guide (“Routine discovery includes: … (2) the cross‐examination of the
`other sides declarants.”)
` Rule 42.51(b)(1)(ii)
` Mexichem Amanco Holdings S.A. de C.V. v. Honeywell Int’l, Inc., IPR2013‐00576 (Paper
`36) (Sept. 5, 2014).
` HTC CORPORATION and HTC AMERICA, INC. v. NFC TECHNOLOGY, LLC, IPR2014‐01198
`(paper 41) (November 6, 2015).
`
`
`
`Alternatively, if you are of the position that Easttom’s testimony is not relevant to this proceeding, we
`would agree to not take his deposition, so long as you stipulate that (i) Uniloc will not cite or refer to
`the Easttom testimony in any paper, filing, demonstrative, or oral argument and (ii) the Easttom
`testimony should be given no weight because he was not made available for cross‐examination.
`
`
`Best regards,
`
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`Thomas Kelton
`Partner
`(t) 972.739.6923
`From: Brett Mangrum <brett@etheridgelaw.com>
`Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 5:30 PM
`To: Kelton, Thomas <Thomas.Kelton@haynesboone.com>
`Cc: Ryan Loveless <ryan@etheridgelaw.com>; McDole, Jamie <Jamie.McDole@haynesboone.com>; Jim
`Etheridge <jim@etheridgelaw.com>; Jeff Huang <jeff@etheridgelaw.com>; Andy Ehmke IPR
`<Andy.Ehmke.ipr@haynesboone.com>; Calmann Clements IPR
`<Calmann.Clements.ipr@haynesboone.com>; Danny Butts <danny@etheridgelaw.com>
`Subject: RE: IPR2018‐00289. Patent Owner's Response to Petition
`
`
`Thomas,
`
`
`Counsel for Patent Owner does not have availability this week and it is doubtful that the Board will be
`able to host a meet and confer on such short notice or that it would appreciate being asked to do
`so. We do have some limited availability in the morning early next week for the parties to meet and
`confer. We feel it would be premature to burden the Board absent such a conference between the
`parties. In advance of such a conference, please provide your response to the authority we cited to you
`so that we have sufficient time to consider it. Please also respond to our request that petitioner clarify
`its position regarding the mechanism and authority (to the extent petitioner is aware of any) for Patent
`Owner to withdraw a declaration cited only in a preliminary response, as you previously proposed.
`
`
`Regards,
`Brett
`
`
`From: Kelton, Thomas <Thomas.Kelton@haynesboone.com>
`Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 3:36 PM
`To: Brett Mangrum <brett@etheridgelaw.com>
`Cc: Ryan Loveless <ryan@etheridgelaw.com>; McDole, Jamie <Jamie.McDole@haynesboone.com>; Jim
`Etheridge <jim@etheridgelaw.com>; Jeff Huang <jeff@etheridgelaw.com>; Andy Ehmke IPR
`<andy.ehmke.ipr@haynesboone.com>; Calmann Clements IPR
`<Calmann.Clements.ipr@haynesboone.com>; Danny Butts <danny@etheridgelaw.com>
`Subject: RE: IPR2018‐00289. Patent Owner's Response to Petition
`
`
`Brett,
`
`
`Since you are not giving us a date for deposition, please give us some dates and times later this week for
`a Board call. I am available Thursday afternoon or any time on Friday. Best regards,
`
`
`Thomas Kelton
`Partner
`(t) 972.739.6923
`From: Brett Mangrum <brett@etheridgelaw.com>
`Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 11:59 AM
`To: Kelton, Thomas <Thomas.Kelton@haynesboone.com>
`Cc: Ryan Loveless <ryan@etheridgelaw.com>; McDole, Jamie <Jamie.McDole@haynesboone.com>; Jim
`Etheridge <jim@etheridgelaw.com>; Jeff Huang <jeff@etheridgelaw.com>; Andy Ehmke IPR
`<Andy.Ehmke.ipr@haynesboone.com>; Calmann Clements IPR
`<Calmann.Clements.ipr@haynesboone.com>; Danny Butts <danny@etheridgelaw.com>
`Subject: RE: IPR2018‐00289. Patent Owner's Response to Petition
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`Thomas,
`
`
`Patent Owner is not aware of a need or even a basis for Patent Owner withdraw the declaration from
`the record. Please be more specific as to what you are requesting the mechanism and supportive
`authority you are recommending.
`
`
`Regards,
`Brett
`
`
`From: Kelton, Thomas <Thomas.Kelton@haynesboone.com>
`Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 9:11 PM
`To: Brett Mangrum <brett@etheridgelaw.com>
`Cc: Ryan Loveless <ryan@etheridgelaw.com>; McDole, Jamie <Jamie.McDole@haynesboone.com>; Jim
`Etheridge <jim@etheridgelaw.com>; Jeff Huang <jeff@etheridgelaw.com>; Andy Ehmke IPR
`<andy.ehmke.ipr@haynesboone.com>; Calmann Clements IPR
`<Calmann.Clements.ipr@haynesboone.com>; Danny Butts <danny@etheridgelaw.com>
`Subject: RE: IPR2018‐00289. Patent Owner's Response to Petition
`
`
`Brett, if you are not going to make your expert available, will you withdraw the declaration from the
`record?
`
`
`Thomas Kelton
`Partner
`(t) 972.739.6923
`From: Brett Mangrum <brett@etheridgelaw.com>
`Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 8:11 PM
`To: Kelton, Thomas <Thomas.Kelton@haynesboone.com>
`Cc: Ryan Loveless <ryan@etheridgelaw.com>; McDole, Jamie <Jamie.McDole@haynesboone.com>; Jim
`Etheridge <jim@etheridgelaw.com>; Jeff Huang <jeff@etheridgelaw.com>; Andy Ehmke IPR
`<Andy.Ehmke.ipr@haynesboone.com>; Calmann Clements IPR
`<Calmann.Clements.ipr@haynesboone.com>; Danny Butts <danny@etheridgelaw.com>
`Subject: Re: IPR2018‐00289. Patent Owner's Response to Petition
`
`
`Thomas,
`
`
`
`Please see the Office Patent Trial Practice Guide’s statement that “discovery before the Board is focused
`on what the parties reasonable need to respond to the grounds raised by an opponent,” 77 Fed. Reg.
`48756, 48761 (Aug. 14, 2012). Further, the rules proscribe Petitioner from presenting arguments in a
`reply that are not responsive to arguments raised in a response.
`
`Have a great weekend.
`
`
`Brett
`
`On Aug 24, 2018, at 5:49 PM, Kelton, Thomas <Thomas.Kelton@haynesboone.com> wrote:
`
`Brett, the authority is 37 CFR 42.51(b)(1)(ii). If you have authority that makes an
`exception for a declaration filed pre‐institution, please let us know. Otherwise, please
`provide us dates that your expert is available. Thanks,
`
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`Thomas Kelton
`Partner
`(t) 972.739.6923
`From: Brett Mangrum <brett@etheridgelaw.com>
`Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 3:28 PM
`To: Kelton, Thomas <Thomas.Kelton@haynesboone.com>
`Cc: Ryan Loveless <ryan@etheridgelaw.com>; McDole, Jamie
`<Jamie.McDole@haynesboone.com>; Jim Etheridge <jim@etheridgelaw.com>; Jeff
`Huang <jeff@etheridgelaw.com>; Andy Ehmke IPR
`<Andy.Ehmke.ipr@haynesboone.com>; Calmann Clements IPR
`<Calmann.Clements.ipr@haynesboone.com>; Danny Butts <danny@etheridgelaw.com>
`Subject: RE: IPR2018‐00289. Patent Owner's Response to Petition
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`
`Thomas,
`
`
`Please provide your alleged authority for the proposition that a petitioner may cross‐
`examine an expert who is not cited in a patent owner response filed under Rule 42.120.
`We are not aware of any such authority.
`
`
`Regards,
`Brett
`
`
`
`From: Kelton, Thomas <Thomas.Kelton@haynesboone.com>
`Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 11:56 AM
`To: Brett Mangrum <brett@etheridgelaw.com>
`Cc: Ryan Loveless <ryan@etheridgelaw.com>; McDole, Jamie
`<Jamie.McDole@haynesboone.com>; Jim Etheridge <jim@etheridgelaw.com>; Jeff
`Huang <jeff@etheridgelaw.com>; Andy Ehmke IPR
`<andy.ehmke.ipr@haynesboone.com>; Calmann Clements IPR
`<Calmann.Clements.ipr@haynesboone.com>; Danny Butts <danny@etheridgelaw.com>
`Subject: RE: IPR2018‐00289. Patent Owner's Response to Petition
`
`
`Brett,
`
`
`We would like to depose your expert, William C. Easttom II, sometime before our
`petitioner reply is due.
`
`
` The weeks of September 23 and 30 are good for us. Please give us some dates
`that are good for you.
` We will arrange the reporter and videographer.
` Where would you like to make your witness available?
`
`
`I look forward to your reply. Feel free to reach out by phone to coordinate if helpful.
`Thanks,
`
`
`Thomas Kelton
`Partner
`(t) 972.739.6923
`From: Danny Butts <danny@etheridgelaw.com>
`Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 10:03 AM
`To: Andy Ehmke IPR <Andy.Ehmke.ipr@haynesboone.com>; Kelton, Thomas
`<Thomas.Kelton@haynesboone.com>; Calmann Clements IPR
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`<Calmann.Clements.ipr@haynesboone.com>; McDole, Jamie
`<Jamie.McDole@haynesboone.com>
`Cc: Ryan Loveless <ryan@etheridgelaw.com>; Brett Mangrum
`<brett@etheridgelaw.com>; Jim Etheridge <jim@etheridgelaw.com>; Jeff Huang
`<jeff@etheridgelaw.com>
`Subject: IPR2018‐00289. Patent Owner's Response to Petition
`
`
`See attached service copy.
`
`
`Danny Butts, Paralegal | Etheridge Law Group
`2600 East Southlake Blvd | Suite 120‐324 |Southlake, TX 76092
`danny@etheridgelaw.com | T 214 334 5497 | F 817 887 5950
`
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