·1
`
`·2
`
`·3· ·UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
`
`·4· ·------------------------------------------
`
`·5· · BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
`
`·6
`
`·7· · · · · MYLAN PHARMACEUTICALS INC.,
`
`·8· · · · · · · · · ·Petitioner
`
`·9· · · · · · · · · ·v.
`
`10· ·POZEN INC. and HORIZON PHARMA USA, INC.,
`
`11· · · · · · · · · ·Patent Owners
`
`12· · · · · ·U.S. PATENT NO. 9,220,698
`
`13· ·------------------------------------------
`
`14
`
`15· · · · · ·VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF
`
`16· · · · · · ·DR. MICHAEL MAYERSOHN
`
`17· · · · · · ·THURSDAY, MAY 24, 2018
`
`18· · · · · · · · · ·9:00 a.m.
`
`19
`
`20
`
`21
`
`22
`
`23
`
`24· ·Reported by:· Adrienne M. Mignano, RPR
`
`25· ·Job Number:· ·J2165865
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 1 of 131
`
`
`
`·2
`
`·3· ·UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
`
`·4· ·------------------------------------------
`
`·5· · BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
`
`·6
`
`·7· · · · · MYLAN PHARMACEUTICALS INC.,
`
`·8· · · · · · · · · ·Petitioner
`
`·9· · · · · · · · · ·v.
`
`10· ·POZEN INC. and HORIZON PHARMA USA, INC.,
`
`11· · · · · · · · · ·Patent Owners
`
`12· · · · · ·U.S. PATENT NO. 9,220,698
`
`13· ·------------------------------------------
`
`14
`
`15· · · · · ·VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF
`
`16· · · · · · ·DR. MICHAEL MAYERSOHN
`
`17· · · · · · ·THURSDAY, MAY 24, 2018
`
`18· · · · · · · · · ·9:00 a.m.
`
`19
`
`20
`
`21
`
`22
`
`23
`
`24· ·Reported by:· Adrienne M. Mignano, RPR
`
`25· ·Job Number:· ·J2165865
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 1 of 131
`
`
`
`·1
`
`·2
`
`·3· · · · · · · · · · · · May 24, 2018
`
`·4· · · · · · · · · · · · 9:00 a.m.
`
`·5· · · · · · · · · · · · New York, New York
`
`·6
`
`·7· · · · · · ·Videotaped Deposition of MICHAEL
`
`·8· ·MAYERSOHN, held at the offices of Cooley,
`
`·9· ·LLP, 1114 Avenue of the Americas, New York,
`
`10· ·New York, pursuant to Notice, before
`
`11· ·Adrienne M. Mignano, a Notary Public of the
`
`12· ·State of New York.
`
`13
`
`14
`
`15
`
`16
`
`17
`
`18
`
`19
`
`20
`
`21
`
`22
`
`23
`
`24
`
`25
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 2 of 131
`
`
`
`·1
`
`·2· ·A P P E A R A N C E S:
`
`·3
`
`·4· ·PERKINS COIE
`
`·5· ·Attorneys for Mylan
`
`·6· · · · · · ·1120 NW Couch Street
`
`·7· · · · · · ·10th Floor
`
`·8· · · · · · ·Portland, Oregon 97209-4128
`
`·9· ·BY:· · · ·BRYAN D. BEEL, ESQ.
`
`10
`
`11· ·COOLEY LLP
`
`12· ·Attorneys for Horizon
`
`13· · · · · · ·3175 Hanover Street
`
`14· · · · · · ·Palo Alto, California 94304
`
`15· ·BY:· · · ·LAUREN KRICKL, ESQ.
`· · · · · · · ·ELLEN SCORDINO, ESQ.
`16
`
`17
`· · ·BAKER BOTTS LLP
`18
`· · ·Attorneys for Pozen
`19
`· · · · · · · ·98 San Jacinto Boulevard
`20
`· · · · · · · ·Austin, Texas 78701
`21
`· · ·BY:· · · ·JEFFREY GRITTON, ESQ.
`22· · · · · · ·(Appearance by Telephone)
`
`23
`
`24
`
`25
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 3 of 131
`
`
`
`·1
`
`·2· ·A L S O· ·P R E S E N T :
`
`·3
`· · · · ·MARCELO RIVERA
`·4· · · ·Legal Video Specialist
`
`·5
`· · · · ·SERENA CANDELARIA - Intern
`·6· · · ·KATELYN KANG - Intern
`
`·7
`
`·8
`
`·9
`
`10
`
`11
`
`12
`
`13
`
`14
`
`15
`
`16
`
`17
`
`18
`
`19
`
`20
`
`21
`
`22
`
`23
`
`24
`
`25
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 4 of 131
`
`
`
`·1
`
`·2· · · · ·THE COURT REPORTER:· Is there
`
`·3· ·anyone present by phone?
`
`·4· · · · ·MR. GRITTON:· Jeffrey Gritton
`
`·5· ·from Baker Botts, representing Pozen.
`
`·6· · · · ·THE COURT REPORTER:· Are you
`
`·7· ·ordering a copy of the transcript, Mr.
`
`·8· ·Gritton?
`
`·9· · · · ·MR. GRITTON:· Yes.
`
`10· · · · ·THE COURT REPORTER:· Would you
`
`11· ·like a rough draft at the end of the
`
`12· ·day?
`
`13· · · · ·MR. GRITTON:· Yes.
`
`14· · · · ·THE COURT REPORTER:· Your email
`
`15· ·address, please.
`
`16· · · · ·MR. GRITTON:· Jeff.gritton@baker
`
`17· ·botts.com.
`
`18· · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· This is the
`
`19· ·digitized video deposition of
`
`20· ·Dr. Michael Mayersohn, in the matter
`
`21· ·Mylan Pharmaceuticals, Inc., versus
`
`22· ·Pozen, Inc., et al.
`
`23· · · · ·This deposition is being held at
`
`24· ·Cooley, located at 1114 Avenue of the
`
`25· ·Americas, New York, New York, on May
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 5 of 131
`
`
`
`·1
`
`·2· ·24, 2018, at approximately 9:06 a.m.
`
`·3· · · · ·My name is Marcelo Rivera from
`
`·4· ·Esquire Solutions.· The court reporter
`
`·5· ·is Adrienne Mignano in association
`
`·6· ·with Esquire Solutions.
`
`·7· · · · ·Will present counsel please
`
`·8· ·introduce themselves for the record.
`
`·9· · · · ·MS. KRICKL:· Lauren Krickl of
`
`10· ·Cooley LLP, representing plaintiff,
`
`11· ·and with me is Ellen Scordino also of
`
`12· ·Cooley LLP, representing plaintiff,
`
`13· ·Horizon.
`
`14· · · · ·MR. GRITTON:· And this is Jeff
`
`15· ·Gritton from Baker Botts representing
`
`16· ·Pozen, Inc.
`
`17· · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Bryan Beel from
`
`18· ·Perkins Coie for petitioner, Mylan
`
`19· ·Pharmaceuticals.
`
`20· · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Will the
`
`21· ·court reporter please swear in the
`
`22· ·witness.
`
`23
`
`24
`
`25
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 6 of 131
`
`
`
`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
`
`·2· ·M I C H A E L· · ·M A Y E R S O H N, called
`
`·3· · · · · as a witness, having been duly sworn
`
`·4· · · · · by a Notary Public, was examined and
`
`·5· · · · · testified as follows:
`
`·6· ·EXAMINATION BY
`
`·7· ·MS. KRICKL:
`
`·8· · · ·Q· · ·Good morning, Dr. Mayersohn.
`
`·9· · · ·A· · ·Good morning, Ms. Krickl.
`
`10· · · · · · ·How are you?
`
`11· · · ·Q· · ·Good.· I'm good.· How are you?
`
`12· · · ·A· · ·I'm okay.
`
`13· · · ·Q· · ·Good.
`
`14· · · · · · ·Please state your full name and
`
`15· ·address for the record.
`
`16· · · ·A· · ·Michael Mayersohn.· Home
`
`17· ·address, correct?
`
`18· · · ·Q· · ·Yes.
`
`19· · · ·A· · ·4394 West Butterfly Mountain
`
`20· ·Drive, Marana, M-A-R-A-N-A, Arizona 85658.
`
`21· · · ·Q· · ·Do you understand that you just
`
`22· ·swore under oath to tell the truth at this
`
`23· ·deposition today?
`
`24· · · ·A· · ·Certainly.
`
`25· · · ·Q· · ·Do you understand that the
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 7 of 131
`
`
`
`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
`
`·2· ·testimony you will give is just as binding
`
`·3· ·as if you were sitting in court?
`
`·4· · · ·A· · ·I do.
`
`·5· · · ·Q· · ·Is there any reason why you
`
`·6· ·cannot completely and truthfully answer my
`
`·7· ·questions today?
`
`·8· · · ·A· · ·No, ma'am.
`
`·9· · · ·Q· · ·So you have testified at a
`
`10· ·deposition before, right?
`
`11· · · ·A· · ·I have.
`
`12· · · ·Q· · ·So I'll just go over some ground
`
`13· ·rules so we're on the same page.
`
`14· · · ·A· · ·Sure.
`
`15· · · ·Q· · ·If you don't understand a
`
`16· ·question, please let me know.· Otherwise,
`
`17· ·I will assume that you understood my
`
`18· ·question.
`
`19· · · · · · ·Okay?
`
`20· · · ·A· · ·Yes.
`
`21· · · ·Q· · ·Do you understand that we can't
`
`22· ·speak over each other to help the court
`
`23· ·reporter?
`
`24· · · ·A· · ·Yes.
`
`25· · · ·Q· · ·And the court reporter cannot
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 8 of 131
`
`
`
`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
`
`·2· ·record a nod or a gesture, so you'll need
`
`·3· ·to make a verbal response to my question.
`
`·4· · · ·A· · ·Understood.
`
`·5· · · ·Q· · ·Do you understand that even if
`
`·6· ·your attorney objects to my question, you
`
`·7· ·still need to answer unless he instructs
`
`·8· ·you not to answer?
`
`·9· · · ·A· · ·Yes, ma'am.
`
`10· · · ·Q· · ·We'll take breaks about every
`
`11· ·hour but if you would like a break, please
`
`12· ·let us know and we'll take one; however,
`
`13· ·we ask that a question not be pending when
`
`14· ·you ask for your break.
`
`15· · · ·A· · ·Understood.
`
`16· · · ·Q· · ·Do you understand that you
`
`17· ·cannot speak with your attorney about
`
`18· ·testimony during a break?
`
`19· · · ·A· · ·I do.
`
`20· · · ·Q· · ·How did you prepare for this
`
`21· ·deposition?
`
`22· · · ·A· · ·The typical way that an expert
`
`23· ·would prepare.· I studied on my own
`
`24· ·material that presumably you would be
`
`25· ·deposing me on.· I met with Dr. Beel
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 9 of 131
`
`
`
`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
`
`·2· ·yesterday.
`
`·3· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Thank you for that.
`
`·4· · · ·That was very nice.
`
`·5· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· You're welcome.
`
`·6· ·BY MS. KRICKL:
`
`·7· · · ·Q· · ·How long did you meet with him
`
`·8· ·for?
`
`·9· · · ·A· · ·From 9 to about 4 o'clock.
`
`10· ·There was also a very brief phone
`
`11· ·conversation with Mr. Swanson and Ms.
`
`12· ·Nero, both of Perkins Coie.
`
`13· · · ·Q· · ·Did you talk with anyone else?
`
`14· · · ·A· · ·No.
`
`15· · · ·Q· · ·Did you review any documents
`
`16· ·during those meetings?
`
`17· · · ·A· · ·Certainly.
`
`18· · · ·Q· · ·Did you do any independent
`
`19· ·preparation for today's deposition that
`
`20· ·was not with Mylan's attorneys?
`
`21· · · ·A· · ·Yes.
`
`22· · · ·Q· · ·Did you draft any notes or other
`
`23· ·documents to prepare for your deposition
`
`24· ·today?
`
`25· · · ·A· · ·I may have, but I have since
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 10 of 131
`
`
`
`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
`
`·2· ·discarded them.
`
`·3· · · ·Q· · ·And did you bring any documents
`
`·4· ·with you to the deposition?
`
`·5· · · ·A· · ·No, ma'am.
`
`·6· · · ·Q· · ·Did you have any conversations
`
`·7· ·with non-attorneys regarding the
`
`·8· ·deposition testimony?
`
`·9· · · ·A· · ·No.
`
`10· · · ·Q· · ·What is your understanding of
`
`11· ·why you are here today giving testimony?
`
`12· · · ·A· · ·I have been invited here to
`
`13· ·defend a declaration that I submitted with
`
`14· ·regard to litigation of the '698 patent.
`
`15· · · ·Q· · ·Great.
`
`16· · · · · · ·Do you know what an IPR is?
`
`17· · · ·A· · ·I do.
`
`18· · · ·Q· · ·So you understand that an IPR is
`
`19· ·a proceeding before the Patent Trial and
`
`20· ·Appeal Board regarding the validity of
`
`21· ·patent claims over prior art patents or
`
`22· ·printed publications, correct?
`
`23· · · ·A· · ·That's my understanding.
`
`24· · · ·Q· · ·And you just mentioned that U.S.
`
`25· ·Patent Number 9,220,698 is being
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 11 of 131
`
`
`
`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
`
`·2· ·challenged in this IPR?
`
`·3· · · ·A· · ·Yes.
`
`·4· · · ·Q· · ·So in connection, in preparing
`
`·5· ·your declaration, you reviewed the '698
`
`·6· ·patent, correct?
`
`·7· · · ·A· · ·In preparing my declaration?
`
`·8· · · ·Q· · ·Yes.
`
`·9· · · ·A· · ·Certainly.
`
`10· · · ·Q· · ·When was the last time you
`
`11· ·reviewed the claims of that patent?
`
`12· · · ·A· · ·About 11:30 last night.
`
`13· · · ·Q· · ·Do you understand that all
`
`14· ·claims 1 through 7 of the '698 patent are
`
`15· ·challenged in this IPR proceeding?
`
`16· · · ·A· · ·I do understand that.
`
`17· · · ·Q· · ·Did you specifically review
`
`18· ·claims 1 through 7 in connection with the
`
`19· ·preparation of your declaration?
`
`20· · · ·A· · ·Yes.
`
`21· · · ·Q· · ·I'm going to go ahead and
`
`22· ·introduce the '698 patent as Exhibit 1001.
`
`23· ·This is already marked.
`
`24· · · ·A· · ·Thank you.
`
`25· · · ·Q· · ·Are you aware that there is a
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 12 of 131
`
`
`
`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
`
`·2· ·district court litigation relating to the
`
`·3· ·'698 patent?
`
`·4· · · ·A· · ·A current litigation?
`
`·5· · · ·Q· · ·Yes.
`
`·6· · · ·A· · ·I believe I understand that to
`
`·7· ·be right, yes.
`
`·8· · · · · · ·MS. KRICKL:· I'll next mark
`
`·9· · · ·Mylan's IPR petition as 2100.
`
`10· · · · · · ·(Whereupon, Mylan's IPR
`
`11· · · ·Petition, was marked as Exhibit 2100
`
`12· · · ·for identification, as of this date.)
`
`13· ·BY MS. KRICKL:
`
`14· · · ·Q· · ·I'm handing you what the court
`
`15· ·reporter has just marked as Exhibit 2100.
`
`16· · · ·A· · ·Thank you.
`
`17· · · ·Q· · ·Please turn to pages 1 through 2
`
`18· ·of the Mylan IPR petition.
`
`19· · · · · · ·Under related matters subsection
`
`20· ·B, do you see that it lists several
`
`21· ·district court litigations?
`
`22· · · ·A· · ·Yes, ma'am.
`
`23· · · ·Q· · ·Do you see that the first two
`
`24· ·are against Mylan?
`
`25· · · ·A· · ·I do.
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 13 of 131
`
`
`
`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
`
`·2· · · ·Q· · ·Great.
`
`·3· · · · · · ·Are you involved in any of these
`
`·4· ·litigations?
`
`·5· · · ·A· · ·Not that I'm aware of, no.
`
`·6· · · ·Q· · ·So you did not do an expert
`
`·7· ·report in any of these litigations?
`
`·8· · · ·A· · ·No.
`
`·9· · · ·Q· · ·Were you asked to?
`
`10· · · ·A· · ·No.
`
`11· · · ·Q· · ·So you have not given any
`
`12· ·opinions in the district court litigation
`
`13· ·regarding the validity of the '698 patent,
`
`14· ·correct?
`
`15· · · ·A· · ·That's correct.· As you know, I
`
`16· ·was involved in a litigation that went to
`
`17· ·trial.· I don't think the '698 was
`
`18· ·involved in that litigation.
`
`19· · · ·Q· · ·Were you retained by Mylan for
`
`20· ·your declaration in this IPR?
`
`21· · · ·A· · ·Well, I was retained by Perkins
`
`22· ·Coie on behalf of Mylan, yes.
`
`23· · · ·Q· · ·Do you have an agreement with
`
`24· ·Perkins Coie?
`
`25· · · ·A· · ·By that you mean a contract?
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 14 of 131
`
`
`
`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
`
`·2· · · ·Q· · ·Yes, or a consultant agreement
`
`·3· ·or any type of agreement?
`
`·4· · · ·A· · ·Yes, it is actually through
`
`·5· ·another company whose name I'm currently
`
`·6· ·missing who arranged for me to contract
`
`·7· ·with Perkins Coie, but there is a contract
`
`·8· ·signed by representatives of Perkins Coie.
`
`·9· · · ·Q· · ·Okay.
`
`10· · · · · · ·So you don't recall the name of
`
`11· ·that company at this time?
`
`12· · · ·A· · ·Sometimes towards the end of
`
`13· ·this day I probably will remember. I
`
`14· ·don't remember right now.
`
`15· · · ·Q· · ·Okay.
`
`16· · · · · · ·You're being compensated $800 an
`
`17· ·hour for your work on this matter,
`
`18· ·correct?
`
`19· · · ·A· · ·Correct.
`
`20· · · ·Q· · ·About how many hours have you
`
`21· ·billed to this matter?
`
`22· · · ·A· · ·I can't offer you an accurate
`
`23· ·estimate.· I simply don't know.· And
`
`24· ·you're talking strictly about the IPR
`
`25· ·activity, correct?
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 15 of 131
`
`
`
`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
`
`·2· · · ·Q· · ·Yes.
`
`·3· · · ·A· · ·Yeah, I'm sorry, sitting here
`
`·4· ·now I can't recall the number of hours.
`
`·5· · · ·Q· · ·You asked if I'm talking
`
`·6· ·specifically about the IPR activity.
`
`·7· · · · · · ·Is there any other activity
`
`·8· ·you're currently involved in?
`
`·9· · · ·A· · ·The prior case that went to
`
`10· ·trial.
`
`11· · · ·Q· · ·Okay.
`
`12· · · · · · ·Do you think you spent more than
`
`13· ·ten hours on this matter?
`
`14· · · ·A· · ·Yes.
`
`15· · · ·Q· · ·Yes.· More than 20?
`
`16· · · ·A· · ·Probably.
`
`17· · · ·Q· · ·More than 50?
`
`18· · · ·A· · ·I don't know.· I simply don't
`
`19· ·know.
`
`20· · · ·Q· · ·Okay.· Thank you.
`
`21· · · · · · ·Do you have an agreement with
`
`22· ·DRL regarding the '698 patent?
`
`23· · · ·A· · ·I don't believe so.· I don't
`
`24· ·think they are involved in this action. I
`
`25· ·could be wrong.
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 16 of 131
`
`
`
`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
`
`·2· · · ·Q· · ·Do you --
`
`·3· · · ·A· · ·Excuse me.· The face of the IPR
`
`·4· ·petition says Mylan and it doesn't mention
`
`·5· ·any other company.
`
`·6· · · ·Q· · ·Do you have an agreement with
`
`·7· ·Budd Larner, the law firm, regarding the
`
`·8· ·'698 patent?
`
`·9· · · ·A· · ·I don't believe so, no.· I do
`
`10· ·remember being contacted by them.· I think
`
`11· ·it was with regard to this case, but I'm
`
`12· ·not certain.· In any event, I'm not
`
`13· ·working with them.
`
`14· · · ·Q· · ·Are you aware that DRL has filed
`
`15· ·a motion for joinder with the present IPR?
`
`16· · · ·A· · ·What does that mean?
`
`17· · · ·Q· · ·They have filed their own
`
`18· ·petition for IPR of the '698 patent and
`
`19· ·they have moved to join that proceeding
`
`20· ·with this one.
`
`21· · · ·A· · ·I don't recall being aware of
`
`22· ·that, no.
`
`23· · · ·Q· · ·So you did not assist counsel
`
`24· ·for DRL in preparing DRL's petition for
`
`25· ·IPR of the '698 patent, right?
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 17 of 131
`
`
`
`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
`
`·2· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection.· Outside
`
`·3· · · ·the scope.
`
`·4· · · ·A· · ·To the best of my knowledge, no.
`
`·5· · · ·Q· · ·And you did not assist counsel
`
`·6· ·for DRL in preparing DRL's motion for
`
`·7· ·joinder with this IPR?
`
`·8· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Same objection.
`
`·9· · · ·A· · ·No.
`
`10· · · ·Q· · ·Do you have an agreement with
`
`11· ·Lupin regarding the '698 patent?
`
`12· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection.· Scope.
`
`13· · · ·A· · ·No.
`
`14· · · ·Q· · ·Since trial in January 2017,
`
`15· ·have you talked with counsel from DRL
`
`16· ·about any patents besides the '907 and
`
`17· ·'285 patents?
`
`18· · · ·A· · ·Can you ask that question again?
`
`19· · · ·Q· · ·Since trial in January 2017,
`
`20· ·have you talked with counsel from DRL
`
`21· ·about any patents besides the '907 and
`
`22· ·'285 patents?
`
`23· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection.· Scope.
`
`24· · · ·A· · ·No.
`
`25· · · ·Q· · ·Since trial in January 2017,
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 18 of 131
`
`
`
`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
`
`·2· ·have you talked with counsel from Lupin
`
`·3· ·about any patents besides the '907 and
`
`·4· ·'285 patents?
`
`·5· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Same objection.
`
`·6· · · ·A· · ·No.
`
`·7· · · ·Q· · ·When preparing your declaration
`
`·8· ·for this IPR, did you have any
`
`·9· ·communications with counsel from DRL, Budd
`
`10· ·Larner?
`
`11· · · ·A· · ·No.
`
`12· · · ·Q· · ·When preparing your declaration
`
`13· ·for Mylan's IPR, did you have any
`
`14· ·communications with counsel from Lupin?
`
`15· · · ·A· · ·No.
`
`16· · · ·Q· · ·Do you intend to testify before
`
`17· ·the Patent Trial and Appeal Board during
`
`18· ·any oral argument in this IPR?
`
`19· · · ·A· · ·If asked by counsel, yes.
`
`20· · · ·Q· · ·When were you first contacted
`
`21· ·regarding submitting a declaration in
`
`22· ·connection with this IPR?
`
`23· · · ·A· · ·Can I see my declaration?
`
`24· · · ·Q· · ·Yes.
`
`25· · · ·A· · ·Thank you.
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 19 of 131
`
`
`
`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
`
`·2· · · ·Q· · ·I'm handing you what's already
`
`·3· ·been marked as Exhibit 1003.
`
`·4· · · ·A· · ·Thank you.· Thank you.
`
`·5· · · ·Q· · ·So just to repeat my question,
`
`·6· ·when were you first contacted regarding
`
`·7· ·submitting this declaration?
`
`·8· · · ·A· · ·I can't recall exactly, Ms.
`
`·9· ·Krickl, but this declaration is signed
`
`10· ·August 23, 2017, so my best recollection
`
`11· ·would have been early or mid summer of
`
`12· ·2017 before this was signed.
`
`13· · · ·Q· · ·So you first started working on
`
`14· ·this declaration in early or midsummer
`
`15· ·2017, right?
`
`16· · · ·A· · ·Yes, that's what I just said.
`
`17· · · ·Q· · ·Are you aware that the district
`
`18· ·court issued a decision in the earlier
`
`19· ·round of litigation on June 26, 2017?
`
`20· · · ·A· · ·Is that the litigation which I
`
`21· ·testified at trial?
`
`22· · · ·Q· · ·Yes.
`
`23· · · ·A· · ·I know a decision was rendered.
`
`24· ·I don't remember the date.
`
`25· · · ·Q· · ·So who first contacted you
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 20 of 131
`
`
`
`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
`
`·2· ·regarding drafting a declaration in this
`
`·3· ·IPR?
`
`·4· · · ·A· · ·I'm pretty certain it was Dr.
`
`·5· ·Beel.
`
`·6· · · ·Q· · ·What did he state to you?
`
`·7· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection.
`
`·8· · · ·Privilege.· You can describe generally
`
`·9· · · ·what we discussed but not the content
`
`10· · · ·of the conversations.
`
`11· · · ·A· · ·My recollection of a
`
`12· ·conversation is pretty dim.· I assume he
`
`13· ·would have told me what was going on in
`
`14· ·terms of the need to submit an IPR for the
`
`15· ·'698, would I be interested in offering a
`
`16· ·declaration given the fact that I was
`
`17· ·familiar with the Vimovo situation.
`
`18· ·Vimovo, V-I-M-O-V-O, product.· I agreed to
`
`19· ·offer a declaration.
`
`20· · · ·Q· · ·Did he provide you with the '698
`
`21· ·patent?
`
`22· · · ·A· · ·At some point, certainly. I
`
`23· ·don't remember when.
`
`24· · · ·Q· · ·Did he provide you with the '698
`
`25· ·patent in early or midsummer 2017?
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 21 of 131
`
`
`
`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
`
`·2· · · ·A· · ·Again, to the best of my
`
`·3· ·recollection, it would have been before I
`
`·4· ·attempted to draft this declaration of
`
`·5· ·course.
`
`·6· · · ·Q· · ·And you're aware that the
`
`·7· ·earlier decision in district court
`
`·8· ·involved patents related to the '698
`
`·9· ·patent at issue here?
`
`10· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection to form.
`
`11· · · ·A· · ·By "related," you mean of the
`
`12· ·same family or the same content issues?
`
`13· · · ·Q· · ·So are you aware that the '698
`
`14· ·patent is listed in the orange book as
`
`15· ·covering Vimovo?
`
`16· · · ·A· · ·That's my understanding, yes.
`
`17· · · ·Q· · ·And you're aware that the '907
`
`18· ·and '285 patents from the earlier case are
`
`19· ·also listed in the orange book covering
`
`20· ·Vimovo, correct?
`
`21· · · ·A· · ·Yes.
`
`22· · · ·Q· · ·Okay.
`
`23· · · · · · ·Are you aware that the district
`
`24· ·court decision from the earlier case found
`
`25· ·the '907 and '285 patents valid and
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 22 of 131
`
`
`
`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
`
`·2· ·infringed?
`
`·3· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Outside the scope.
`
`·4· · · ·A· · ·I don't know the exact basis of
`
`·5· ·their decision.· I'm not aware of the
`
`·6· ·decision, specific decision.
`
`·7· · · ·Q· · ·Okay.
`
`·8· · · · · · ·MS. KRICKL:· So I'd like to mark
`
`·9· · · ·this as Exhibit 2101.
`
`10· · · · · · ·(Whereupon, Decision by Judge
`
`11· · · ·Cooper, was marked as Exhibit 2101 for
`
`12· · · ·identification, as of this date.)
`
`13· ·BY MS. KRICKL:
`
`14· · · ·Q· · ·I'm handing you what's just been
`
`15· ·marked as Exhibit 2101.
`
`16· · · ·A· · ·Thank you.
`
`17· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· I'll object.· Outside
`
`18· · · ·the scope because it is not in the
`
`19· · · ·materials he reviewed for the IPR.
`
`20· · · ·Q· · ·Have you seen this document
`
`21· ·before?
`
`22· · · ·A· · ·No.
`
`23· · · · · · ·This is Judge Cooper's decision?
`
`24· · · ·Q· · ·Yes.
`
`25· · · ·A· · ·No.
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 23 of 131
`
`
`
`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
`
`·2· · · ·Q· · ·Could you turn to the last page,
`
`·3· ·page 65?
`
`·4· · · ·A· · ·Yes.
`
`·5· · · ·Q· · ·Do you see under the conclusion
`
`·6· ·where it says, "We find that the claims of
`
`·7· ·the '907 and '285 patents are not invalid
`
`·8· ·under 35 USC § 103 or Section 112"?
`
`·9· · · ·A· · ·I do.
`
`10· · · ·Q· · ·Thank you.
`
`11· · · · · · ·So it's correct that you were
`
`12· ·contacted shortly after this --
`
`13· · · · · · ·MS. KRICKL:· Actually, let me
`
`14· · · ·withdraw that.
`
`15· · · ·Q· · ·Do you see that this opinion was
`
`16· ·signed July 10, 2017?
`
`17· · · ·A· · ·I do.
`
`18· · · ·Q· · ·Were you contacted before or
`
`19· ·after that date?
`
`20· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection to form.
`
`21· · · ·A· · ·I simply don't recall the date.
`
`22· ·I know certainly it was before I authored
`
`23· ·the declaration, I don't know how much
`
`24· ·before however.
`
`25· · · ·Q· · ·Can you describe for me the
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 24 of 131
`
`
`
`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
`
`·2· ·process by which your declaration was
`
`·3· ·drafted?
`
`·4· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection.
`
`·5· · · ·Privilege.· You can describe the
`
`·6· · · ·process generally but not the content
`
`·7· · · ·of our conversations.
`
`·8· · · ·A· · ·I would say in the same general
`
`·9· ·way that all reports by experts are issued
`
`10· ·and created.
`
`11· · · · · · ·It was a collaborative effort
`
`12· ·primarily with Dr. Beel where I offered my
`
`13· ·expert opinion on those issues that
`
`14· ·required an expert opinion.· He offered
`
`15· ·the interpretation of law involved in the
`
`16· ·litigation, and I would have gone through
`
`17· ·several drafts prior to obtaining the
`
`18· ·final copy, final version.· Along the way
`
`19· ·I would have read materials cited which is
`
`20· ·attachment B to the declaration, and those
`
`21· ·readings would have further informed me of
`
`22· ·the issues involved and help me reach my
`
`23· ·opinions.
`
`24· · · ·Q· · ·Who wrote the first draft of
`
`25· ·your declaration?
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 25 of 131
`
`
`
`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
`
`·2· · · ·A· · ·It -- again, it was a
`
`·3· ·collaborative effort so the first -- what
`
`·4· ·resulted in the first draft would have
`
`·5· ·been writing from Dr. Beel and from
`
`·6· ·myself.· Each contributing to those
`
`·7· ·portions related to our expertise.· And
`
`·8· ·multiple drafts followed that same
`
`·9· ·pattern.
`
`10· · · ·Q· · ·Did you work with anyone else
`
`11· ·besides Dr. Beel?
`
`12· · · ·A· · ·Not to my recollection, no.
`
`13· · · ·Q· · ·Did you work with counsel from
`
`14· ·DRL in preparing your declaration?
`
`15· · · ·A· · ·No.
`
`16· · · ·Q· · ·How about counsel from Lupin?
`
`17· · · ·A· · ·Same answer.
`
`18· · · ·Q· · ·So Dr. Beel is the one who typed
`
`19· ·the first draft of your declaration?
`
`20· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection to form.
`
`21· · · ·A· · ·No, as I said in my response to
`
`22· ·the previous question, I contributed a
`
`23· ·component, he contributed a component. I
`
`24· ·would have typed or written my sections.
`
`25· ·He would have done the same for his.
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 26 of 131
`
`
`
`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
`
`·2· · · ·Q· · ·So looking at your declaration,
`
`·3· ·which sections did you draft?
`
`·4· · · ·A· · ·I knew that would be the next
`
`·5· ·question.
`
`·6· · · · · · ·I could clearly identify a
`
`·7· ·section that I wrote by myself completely,
`
`·8· ·perhaps with some modification from
`
`·9· ·counsel, and that would have been starting
`
`10· ·on page 12.· And going through page 21.
`
`11· ·These represent background information in
`
`12· ·my specialty for which I am offering my
`
`13· ·expertise.
`
`14· · · · · · ·In between many of the rest of
`
`15· ·this declaration, I would have made
`
`16· ·contributions and I simply -- it was a
`
`17· ·synthesis, and I can't pull out for you
`
`18· ·those things that I said and those things
`
`19· ·that Dr. Beel would have said.
`
`20· · · ·Q· · ·So the background section on
`
`21· ·pages 12 through 21 is the only section
`
`22· ·that you drafted originally?
`
`23· · · ·A· · ·Exclusively.
`
`24· · · ·Q· · ·Exclusively.
`
`25· · · · · · ·Did you provide any edits to Dr.
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 27 of 131
`
`
`
`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
`
`·2· ·Beel's sections?
`
`·3· · · ·A· · ·Of course, yes.
`
`·4· · · ·Q· · ·Do you remember any edits you
`
`·5· ·made in particular?
`
`·6· · · ·A· · ·No.
`
`·7· · · ·Q· · ·How long did you spend on your
`
`·8· ·declaration?
`
`·9· · · ·A· · ·The reason I have trouble
`
`10· ·answering the question is because it
`
`11· ·wasn't at a single.· It was drawn out over
`
`12· ·probably several weeks.
`
`13· · · · · · ·I just don't know.
`
`14· · · ·Q· · ·Did you have conversations with
`
`15· ·lawyers before your declaration was
`
`16· ·drafted?
`
`17· · · ·A· · ·By "lawyers," you mean other
`
`18· ·than Dr. Beel?
`
`19· · · ·Q· · ·Including Dr. Beel.
`
`20· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection to form.
`
`21· · · ·A· · ·I think it is probably fair to
`
`22· ·say my interaction was limited to
`
`23· ·discussions with Dr. Beel.
`
`24· · · ·Q· · ·Okay.
`
`25· · · · · · ·Were you given a budget of time
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 28 of 131
`
`
`
`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
`
`·2· ·to spend on your declaration?
`
`·3· · · ·A· · ·No, I was not.
`
`·4· · · ·Q· · ·Okay.· Turning to attachment B
`
`·5· ·of your declaration.
`
`·6· · · ·A· · ·Yes, ma'am.
`
`·7· · · ·Q· · ·These are the materials you
`
`·8· ·reviewed for your declaration, correct?
`
`·9· · · ·A· · ·That is correct.
`
`10· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection to form.
`
`11· · · ·A· · ·This list presents the material
`
`12· ·that I considered in preparation of this
`
`13· ·declaration, that is correct.
`
`14· · · ·Q· · ·How did you select those
`
`15· ·materials?
`
`16· · · ·A· · ·Well, some of them are pretty
`
`17· ·obvious.· '698, '907, '285 patents because
`
`18· ·they are involved in litigation.· Many of
`
`19· ·the other citations here I would have been
`
`20· ·familiar with from the previous --
`
`21· · · · · · ·MS. KRICKL:· We'll just note
`
`22· · · ·that construction workers just passed
`
`23· · · ·by, for the record.
`
`24· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Dr. Mayersohn is not
`
`25· · · ·waiving to the videographer.
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 29 of 131
`
`
`
`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
`
`·2· · · ·A· · ·Many of the other citations here
`
`·3· ·I would have been familiar with from the
`
`·4· ·previous litigation.· If not all of them
`
`·5· ·actually.· So I would have been aware of
`
`·6· ·all of these.
`
`·7· · · · · · ·I can't think of an exception --
`
`·8· ·oh, the exception would be, for example,
`
`·9· ·on the third page, the use of the word --
`
`10· ·the definition of the word "target" which
`
`11· ·became specific for consideration in this
`
`12· ·litigation.· And counsel would have
`
`13· ·provided that information for me.· I would
`
`14· ·have provided, for example, 1026, which is
`
`15· ·one of my chapters.
`
`16· · · · · · ·Did that answer your question?
`
`17· · · ·Q· · ·Yes.
`
`18· · · · · · ·Did you review the petition for
`
`19· ·this IPR before signing your declaration?
`
`20· · · ·A· · ·The petition, that's the one you
`
`21· ·showed me?
`
`22· · · ·Q· · ·Yes.· I believe it is Exhibit
`
`23· ·2100.
`
`24· · · ·A· · ·Yes.
`
`25· · · · · · ·It probably would have been
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 30 of 131
`
`
`
`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
`
`·2· ·impossible.· It's dated August 24th and my
`
`·3· ·declaration is the 23rd.
`
`·4· · · ·Q· · ·Did you review any drafts of the
`
`·5· ·petition before signing your declaration?
`
`·6· · · ·A· · ·I'm not aware that there were
`
`·7· ·drafts.· Not that I know of.
`
`·8· · · ·Q· · ·So you didn't make any edits to
`
`·9· ·the petition, correct?
`
`10· · · ·A· · ·Submitted by Pozen?
`
`11· · · · · · ·Are you talking about the Mylan?
`
`12· · · ·Q· · ·The petition submitted by Mylan.
`
`13· · · ·A· · ·Sorry, I misunderstood.
`
`14· · · ·Q· · ·That's okay.
`
`15· · · ·A· · ·I misunderstood your question.
`
`16· ·I thought you were talking about a
`
`17· ·submission by Pozen or Horizon, you are
`
`18· ·not.
`
`19· · · · · · ·You are talking about Mylan's?
`
`20· · · ·Q· · ·Yes.
`
`21· · · ·A· · ·I'm sorry.
`
`22· · · · · · ·No, I don't believe I did.
`
`23· · · ·Q· · ·Okay.
`
`24· · · · · · ·Did you read Horizon's and
`
`25· ·Pozen's preliminary response to Mylan's
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 31 of 131
`
`
`
`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
`
`·2· ·petition in this IPR?
`
`·3· · · ·A· · ·I don't recall.· I don't believe
`
`·4· ·so.
`
`·5· · · ·Q· · ·Okay.
`
`·6· · · · · · ·Did you read the patent office's
`
`·7· ·institution decision in this matter?
`
`·8· · · ·A· · ·Which decision are you talking
`
`·9· ·about?
`
`10· · · ·Q· · ·Are you aware that the patent
`
`11· ·and trademark -- or the patent --
`
`12· · · · · · ·MS. KRICKL:· Excuse me.· I'll
`
`13· · · ·withdraw that.
`
`14· · · ·Q· · ·Are you aware that the Patent
`
`15· ·Trial and Appeal Board has instituted
`
`16· ·review of this IPR?
`
`17· · · ·A· · ·Yes, that's why we're here, I
`
`18· ·assume.
`
`19· · · ·Q· · ·Yes.
`
`20· · · · · · ·Have you reviewed that decision
`
`21· ·to institute by the PTAB?
`
`22· · · ·A· · ·I don't believe so, no.
`
`23· · · ·Q· · ·So Exhibit B is a complete and
`
`24· ·accurate list of everything you reviewed
`
`25· ·in connection with your declaration in
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 32 of 131
`
`
`
`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
`
`·2· ·this IPR, right?
`
`·3· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection to form.
`
`·4· · · ·A· · ·I always have trouble answering
`
`·5· ·that question because I continue to read
`
`·6· ·things which help inform me about specific
`
`·7· ·issues, but there is nothing that I can
`
`·8· ·recall, not listed here, that would have
`
`·9· ·informed my opinions.
`
`10· · · ·Q· · ·And certainly, this Exhibit B
`
`11· ·includes all the documents you reviewed
`
`12· ·before signing your declaration, correct?
`
`13· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection.· Form.
`
`14· · · ·A· · ·Would I have read all of these
`
`15· ·before signing the declaration, is that
`
`16· ·the question, or considered them?
`
`17· · · ·Q· · ·The question is actually does --
`
`18· ·is attachment B a complete and accurate
`
`19· ·list of the documents you considered
`
`20· ·before signing the declaration?
`
`21· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection to form.
`
`22· · · ·A· · ·Yes.
`
`23· · · ·Q· · ·Okay.· Thank you.
`
`24· · · · · · ·To the best of your knowledge,
`
`25· ·is your declaration a true and correct
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 33 of 131
`
`
`
`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
`
`·2· ·summary of the opinions you intend to give
`
`·3· ·at any hearing before the PTAB?
`
`·4· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection to form.
`
`·5· · · ·A· · ·Yes.
`
`·6· · · ·Q· · ·Do you have any corrections to
`
`·7· ·make to your declaration?
`
`·8· · · ·A· · ·No.
`
`·9· · · ·Q· · ·Do you have any substantive
`
`10· ·changes to your declaration?
`
`11· · · ·A· · ·No.
`
`12· · · ·Q· · ·You make every effort to make
`
`13· ·sure each and every statement in your
`
`14· ·declaration is accurate, true, and
`
`15· ·correct?
`
`16· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection to form.
`
`17· · · ·A· · ·All of those things, yes.
`
`18· · · ·Q· · ·Do you intend to submit a
`
`19· ·supplemental declaration?
`
`20· · · ·A· · ·I haven't been asked to.· If
`
`21· ·asked by counsel, I would consider doing
`
`22· ·so.
`
`23· · · ·Q· · ·You have submitted expert
`
`24· ·reports and declarations in other
`
`25· ·proceedings besides this one before,
`
`Patent Owners' Ex. 2029
`IPR2018-00272
`Page 34 of 131
`
`
`
`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
`
`·2· ·correct?
`
`·3· · · ·A· · ·Correct.
`
`·4· · · ·Q· · ·And in those reports and
`
`·5· ·declarations, you made every effort to
`
`·6· ·ensure that each and every statement made
`
`·7· ·in those reports and declarations was true
`
`·8· ·and correct?
`
`·9· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection to form.
`
`10· · · ·A· · ·To the best of my ability, yes.
`
`11· · · ·Q· · ·So let's turn to paragraph 1
Accessing this document will incur an additional charge of $.
After purchase, you can access this document again without charge.
Accept $ Charge
Still Working On It
This document is taking longer than usual to download. This can happen if we need to contact the court directly to obtain the document and their servers are running slowly.
Give it another minute or two to complete, and then try the refresh button.
A few More Minutes ... Still Working
It can take up to 5 minutes for us to download a document if the court servers are running slowly.
Thank you for your continued patience.
This document could not be displayed.
We could not find this document within its docket. Please go back to the docket page and check the link. If that does not work, go back to the docket and refresh it to pull the newest information.
Your account does not support viewing this document.
You need a Paid Account to view this document. Click here to change your account type.
Your account does not support viewing this document.
Set your membership
status to view this document.
With a Docket Alarm membership, you'll
get a whole lot more, including:
- Up-to-date information for this case.
- Email alerts whenever there is an update.
- Full text search for other cases.
- Get email alerts whenever a new case matches your search.
One Moment Please
The filing “” is large (MB) and is being downloaded.
Please refresh this page in a few minutes to see if the filing has been downloaded. The filing will also be emailed to you when the download completes.
Your document is on its way!
If you do not receive the document in five minutes, contact support at support@docketalarm.com.
Sealed Document
We are unable to display this document, it may be under a court ordered seal.
If you have proper credentials to access the file, you may proceed directly to the court's system using your government issued username and password.
Access Government Site
