·1· ·IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
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`·2· ·FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS
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`·3· ·MARSHALL DIVISION
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`·4· ·-----------------------------------x
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`·5· ·FUNDAMENTAL INNOVATION SYSTEMS
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`·6· ·INTERNATIONAL LLC,
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`·7· · · · · · · · · Plaintiff,
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`·8· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·Civil Action No.
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`·9· · · · · · ·vs.· · · · · · · · 2:17-cv-00145-JRG
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`11· ·SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS CO., LTD.,
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`12· ·SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS
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`13· ·AMERICA, INC.,
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`14· · · · · · · · · Defendants.
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`15· ·-----------------------------------x
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`16· · · · · · · · · November 20, 2017
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`17· · · · · · · · · 9:31 a.m.
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`19· · · · Videotaped Deposition of JOHN IRVING
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`20· ·GARNEY, taken at the offices of KIRKLAND &
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`21· ·ELLIS LLP, 601 Lexington Avenue, New York,
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`22· ·New York, before Frank J. Bas, a Registered
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`23· ·Professional Reporter, Certified Realtime
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`24· ·Reporter and Notary Public within and for the
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`25· ·State of New York.
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`·3· ·IRELL & MANELLA
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`·4· ·Attorneys for Plaintiff
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`·2· ·Garney Exhibit 5, Universal· · · · 85
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`·3· ·Serial Bus Cable & Connector
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`·4· ·Class Specification, Version 1.0
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`·5· · · · 1800 Avenue of the Stars
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`·5· ·(No Bates)
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`·6· · · · Los Angeles, California 90067
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`·7· ·BY:· JASON SHEASBY, ESQ.
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`·8· · · · jsheasby@irell.com
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`·9
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`10· ·KIRKLAND & ELLIS LLP
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`·7· ·Garney Exhibit 6, Summary of· · · ·104
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`·8· ·Opinions by Mr. John Garney (No
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`·9· ·Bates)
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`10
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`11· ·Attorneys for Defendants and the Witness
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`11· ·Garney Exhibit 7, USB 2.0· · · · · 126
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`12· · · · 601 Lexington Avenue
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`12· ·Specification (No Bates)
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`13· · · · New York, New York 10022
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`14· ·BY:· JAMES McCONNELL, ESQ.
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`14· ·Garney Exhibit 8, USB Frequently· ·127
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`15· · · · james.mcconnell@kirkland.com
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`15· ·Asked Questions (No Bates)
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`16· · · · TODD M. FRIEDMAN, P.C.
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`17· · · · todd.friedman@kirkland.com
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`17· ·Garney Exhibit 9, Provisional· · · 137
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`18· · · · ALEX HENRIQUES, ESQ.
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`18· ·Application for Patent, Bates
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`19· · · · alexhenriques@kirkland.com
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`19· ·FISI-145-00055102 through 160
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`21· ·ALSO PRESENT:
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`21· ·Garney Exhibit 10, PowerPoint· · · 155
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`22· · · · ROBERT GIBBS, Videographer, DTI Global
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`22· ·presentation, Bates
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`23· ·FISI-145-00055514 through 546
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`·2· ·WITNESS· · · · EXAMINATION BY· · · · ·PAGE
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`·2· ·Garney Exhibit 11, Handwritten· · ·168
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`·3· ·J. GARNEY· · · MR. SHEASBY· · · · · · · 8
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`·3· ·drawing (No Bates)
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`·5· ·Garney Exhibit 12, United States· ·172
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`·6· · · Garney Exhibit 1, Universal· · · · 24
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`·6· ·Patent 7,239,111 (No Bates)
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`·7· · · Serial Bus Specification,
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`·8· · · Revision 2.0, Bates
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`·8· ·Garney Exhibit 13, Document· · · · 207
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`·9· · · SAMSUNG_FISI00118913 through 9433
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`·9· ·entitled "Exhibit B" (No Bates)
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`10
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`11· · · Garney Exhibit 2, United States· · 62
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`11· ·Garney Exhibit 14, Printout of· · ·321
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`12· · · Patent 6,936,936 (No Bates)
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`12· ·webpage, USB-IF Developers Area
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`13· ·(No Bates)
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`14· · · Garney Exhibit 3, On-The-Go· · · · 65
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`15· · · Supplement to the USB
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`15· ·Garney Exhibit 15, Printout of· · ·322
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`16· · · Specification, Revision 1.0,
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`16· ·webpage, USB 2.0 Specification
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`17· · · Bates FISI-145-00056242 through
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`17· ·(No Bates)
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`18· · · 253
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`19· ·Garney Exhibit 16, Printout of· · ·326
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`20· · · Garney Exhibit 4, USB 2.0· · · · · 71
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`20· ·webpage, USB 2.0 Specification
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`21· · · Specification Engineering Change
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`21· ·(No Bates)
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`22· · · Notice #1: Mini-B connector,
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`23· · · dated 10/20/2000, Bates
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`24· · · FISI-145-00056197 through 241
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`·2· · · Garney Exhibit 17, Article· · · · ·333
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`·3· · · entitled "Use the USB Connector
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`·4· · · to Connect Your Galaxy S7 to Your
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`·5· · · Previous Device" (No Bates)
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`·1· · · · ·November 20, 2017
`·2· · · · New York, New York
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`·4· · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Good
`·5· ·morning, everyone.· This is the video
`·6· ·operator speaking, Robert Gibbs of DTI
`·7· ·Global, 20750 Ventura Boulevard,
`·8· ·Woodland Hills, California 90067.
`·9· ·Today is November 20, 2017 and the
`10· ·time is 9:31 a.m.
`11· · · · ·We are at the offices of
`12· ·Kirkland & Ellis LLP, 601 Lexington
`13· ·Avenue, New York City, New York, to
`14· ·take the video deposition of Mr. John
`15· ·Garney in the matter of Fundamental
`16· ·Innovations Systems International LLC
`17· ·versus Samsung Electronics Corp. Ltd.
`18· ·versus -- pardon me -- and Samsung
`19· ·Electronics America, Inc. in the
`20· ·United States District Court for the
`21· ·Eastern District of Texas, Marshall
`22· ·Division, Case Number
`23· ·217-cv-00145-JRG.
`24· · · · ·Will counsel please introduce
`25· ·themselves for the record.
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`·1· · · · · · · · · MR. SHEASBY:· Jason Sheasby for
`·2· · · · · · Fundamental.
`·3· · · · · · · · · MR. McCONNELL:· James McConnell
`·4· · · · · · for Samsung and the witness.· With me
`·5· · · · · · is Todd Friedman and Alex Henriques,
`·6· · · · · · and we are all with Kirkland & Ellis.
`·7· · · · · · · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Thank you,
`·8· · · · · · gentlemen.
`·9· · · · · · · · · Will the court reporter, Frank
`10· · · · · · Bas of DTI Global, please swear the
`11· · · · · · witness.
`12· · · · · · · · · · · · _ _ _
`13· ·J O H N· ·I R V I N G· ·G A R N E Y,
`14· ·called as a witness, having been first duly
`15· ·sworn, was examined and testified
`16· ·as follows:
`17· · · · · · · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· You may
`18· · · · · · proceed, Counsel.
`19· ·EXAMINATION BY
`20· ·MR. SHEASBY:
`21· · · · · · Q.· · Good morning, sir.· Can you
`22· ·state your full name for the record.
`23· · · · · · A.· · John Irving Garney.
`24· · · · · · Q.· · And Mr. Garney, you've been
`25· ·designated to opine as an expert witness for
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`·1· ·Samsung, is that correct?
`·2· · · · · · A.· · Yes.
`·3· · · · · · Q.· · And the subject matter of your
`·4· ·testimony is the meaning of terms and context
`·5· ·relating to USB, is that correct?
`·6· · · · · · A.· · Terms and context that were
`·7· ·within the summary of opinions.
`·8· · · · · · Q.· · Did you prepare that summary of
`·9· ·the opinions?
`10· · · · · · A.· · I --
`11· · · · · · · · · MR. McCONNELL:· Objection.
`12· · · · · · · · · I caution the witness not to
`13· · · · · · reveal the substance of any
`14· · · · · · communications or drafts with
`15· · · · · · attorneys.
`16· ·BY MR. SHEASBY:
`17· · · · · · Q.· · You can answer the
`18· ·question, sir.
`19· · · · · · A.· · I reviewed the opinion summary
`20· ·to determine it reflected my opinions.
`21· · · · · · Q.· · So you reviewed the summary of
`22· ·opinions?
`23· · · · · · A.· · Yes.
`24· · · · · · Q.· · Okay.· When were you retained
`25· ·as an expert in this case?
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`·1· · · · · · A.· · I would have to check my
`·2· ·records, but several months ago.
`·3· · · · · · Q.· · Did you have a role in working
`·4· ·with Kirkland on preparing and proposing
`·5· ·constructions for terms in the past that you
`·6· ·considered?
`·7· · · · · · · · · (Instruction not to answer.)
`·8· · · · · · · · · MR. McCONNELL:· Objection;
`·9· · · · · · calls for privilege, and in light of
`10· · · · · · the discovery order in this case I
`11· · · · · · instruct the witness not to answer.
`12· ·BY MR. SHEASBY:
`13· · · · · · Q.· · You could answer the question.
`14· · · · · · · · · MR. McCONNELL:· Counsel, I have
`15· · · · · · instructed the witness not to answer
`16· · · · · · the question.
`17· ·BY MR. SHEASBY:
`18· · · · · · Q.· · Did you provide your own claim
`19· ·constructions of any terms in any of the
`20· ·patents that you considered?
`21· · · · · · A.· · What do you mean by provide?
`22· · · · · · Q.· · I mean it in its normal,
`23· ·ordinary sense, sir.
`24· · · · · · A.· · I determined that the
`25· ·constructions were my opinions.
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`·1· · · · · · Q.· · So the constructions were
`·2· ·provided to you and you determined that you
`·3· ·agreed with them?
`·4· · · · · · A.· · Well, I determined that they
`·5· ·were my opinions.
`·6· · · · · · Q.· · Sir, if you could answer my
`·7· ·question --
`·8· · · · · · A.· · I have answered your
`·9· ·question, sir.
`10· · · · · · Q.· · -- I would appreciate it.
`11· · · · · · · · · You were provided
`12· ·constructions, is that correct?
`13· · · · · · A.· · What I said is I reviewed the
`14· ·opinions and determined that they reflected
`15· ·my -- my view.
`16· · · · · · Q.· · Sir, can you answer my question
`17· ·yes or no.
`18· · · · · · · · · Were you provided constructions
`19· ·by your attorneys?
`20· · · · · · A.· · I have to answer it the way
`21· ·I've already answered it, sir.
`22· · · · · · Q.· · Sir, can you answer my question
`23· ·yes or no, were you provided constructions by
`24· ·your attorneys?
`25· · · · · · A.· · I reviewed the constructions
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`·1· ·that were here, and they reflect my opinions.
`·2· · · · · · Q.· · So you reviewed a set of
`·3· ·constructions by -- provided to you by
`·4· ·counsel, correct?
`·5· · · · · · A.· · I didn't say that, no.
`·6· · · · · · Q.· · You didn't say that?· Can you
`·7· ·answer my question?· Did you review a set of
`·8· ·constructions provided by your counsel?
`·9· · · · · · A.· · I reviewed the constructions
`10· ·represented in the summary of opinions -- the
`11· ·summary of my opinion and determined that they
`12· ·reflected my opinions.
`13· · · · · · Q.· · Okay.· And just so the record's
`14· ·clear, because I want this for the court, were
`15· ·you given a set of constructions by counsel to
`16· ·review; yes or no?
`17· · · · · · A.· · I reviewed the constructions
`18· ·that are represented in my summary disclosure.
`19· · · · · · Q.· · What is USB?
`20· · · · · · A.· · USB is a standard term that
`21· ·it's understood to be an abbreviation of
`22· ·universal serial bus.
`23· · · · · · Q.· · And what is universal
`24· ·serial bus?
`25· · · · · · A.· · Universal serial bus is a set
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`·1· ·of specifications at the time of the patent
`·2· ·that would have included USB 2 and USB 1 and
`·3· ·USB 1.1.
`·4· · · · · · Q.· · And so to be clear, USB is
`·5· ·defined by a set of specifications, is that
`·6· ·correct?
`·7· · · · · · A.· · Well, it's having to do with --
`·8· ·depending upon how the USB is used in context,
`·9· ·it has to do with something related to the
`10· ·specifications.
`11· · · · · · Q.· · So USB relates to
`12· ·specifications, correct?
`13· · · · · · A.· · No.· It has to do with some
`14· ·part of the, what's defined in the
`15· ·specifications.
`16· · · · · · Q.· · So what is USB then?
`17· · · · · · A.· · USB is an acronym for universal
`18· ·serial bus.
`19· · · · · · Q.· · And what is universal
`20· ·serial bus?
`21· · · · · · A.· · Universal serial bus is a --
`22· ·within the context of the patents, used as a
`23· ·specification that would have been available
`24· ·to one of ordinary skill; for example, at that
`25· ·time would have been USB 2 or USB 1.1 or
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`·1· ·USB 1.0.
`·2· · · · · · Q.· · What's universal serial bus
`·3· ·today?
`·4· · · · · · A.· · As I'm sitting here right now?
`·5· · · · · · Q.· · Yes.
`·6· · · · · · A.· · It would have been understood
`·7· ·to refer to something within a specification
`·8· ·of the specs that existed as of today, which
`·9· ·have now expanded to include other
`10· ·specifications.
`11· · · · · · Q.· · When was USB introduced?
`12· · · · · · A.· · What do you mean by introduced?
`13· · · · · · Q.· · When was it first introduced?
`14· ·When was the first specification introduced?
`15· · · · · · A.· · When was the first
`16· ·specification introduced?· There were release
`17· ·candidates of the specification made available
`18· ·for the 1.0 spec.· You could look at the
`19· ·revision history in the spec to see exactly
`20· ·when they were.
`21· · · · · · Q.· · But sitting here today you
`22· ·don't know?
`23· · · · · · A.· · I haven't memorized that page
`24· ·of the spec, no.
`25· · · · · · Q.· · When did you begin to work
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`·1· ·on USB?
`·2· · · · · · A.· · Approximately 1994.
`·3· · · · · · Q.· · And what specification was in
`·4· ·place in 1994?
`·5· · · · · · A.· · There was no specification in
`·6· ·place in 1994.
`·7· · · · · · Q.· · So how could you be working on
`·8· ·USB if there was no specification?
`·9· · · · · · A.· · Because I was one of the
`10· ·creators of the specification and I was
`11· ·involved in creating the specification.
`12· · · · · · Q.· · So USB existed before the
`13· ·specification?
`14· · · · · · A.· · USB couldn't have existed as a
`15· ·specified bus before the specification that
`16· ·specifies the bus existed.
`17· · · · · · Q.· · When you were working on USB in
`18· ·1994, what did USB mean?
`19· · · · · · A.· · I think before I started
`20· ·working on it, it didn't probably have a
`21· ·meaning.
`22· · · · · · Q.· · And when you started working on
`23· ·it in 1994 what meaning did it have?
`24· · · · · · A.· · I don't know that it would have
`25· ·had a meaning.
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`·1· · · · · · Q.· · It didn't have a meaning until
`·2· ·the first specification was released?
`·3· · · · · · A.· · Well, it didn't have a meaning
`·4· ·until we first started working on it and
`·5· ·releasing early versions of it.
`·6· · · · · · Q.· · And when did you release your
`·7· ·earliest version of it?
`·8· · · · · · A.· · Again, I don't have it
`·9· ·memorized.· It would be in the frontest piece
`10· ·of the USB 1 spec --
`11· · · · · · · · · (Reporter Clarification)
`12· · · · · · A.· · It would be on the frontest
`13· ·piece.· Front material.
`14· · · · · · Q.· · What is USB?
`15· · · · · · A.· · USB is an acronym for universal
`16· ·serial bus.
`17· · · · · · Q.· · And USB is a standard for
`18· ·communication, is that correct?
`19· · · · · · A.· · I am sorry.· I couldn't hear
`20· ·you?
`21· · · · · · Q.· · USB is a standard for
`22· ·communication, is that correct?
`23· · · · · · A.· · No.
`24· · · · · · Q.· · USB is not a standard for
`25· ·communication?
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`·1· · · · · · A.· · Not solely.· It's an incomplete
`·2· ·question.
`·3· · · · · · Q.· · The defining method of USB is
`·4· ·the method by which the device communicates
`·5· ·with the host, correct?
`·6· · · · · · A.· · I'm sorry.· Are you referring
`·7· ·to something?· I can't --
`·8· · · · · · Q.· · If you can just answer my
`·9· ·question, I would appreciate it.
`10· · · · · · A.· · There's a number of words
`11· ·there.· I would like to make sure I hear them
`12· ·clearly.· I never heard that phrase before.
`13· · · · · · Q.· · Sure.· The defining method of
`14· ·USB is the method by which the device
`15· ·communicates with the host, correct?
`16· · · · · · A.· · The defining method of -- I am
`17· ·sorry.· I need to see that written down.
`18· ·There's too many words to hold in my head at
`19· ·once.· Can you refer me to where that is?
`20· · · · · · Q.· · Sure.· It's right there
`21· ·(indicating).
`22· · · · · · A.· · I'm having a hard time
`23· ·technically.· I mean, it seems like a valid
`24· ·English sentence, but technically it's unclear
`25· ·what that sentence is trying to say.
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`·1· · · · · · Q.· · Just so the record is clear,
`·2· ·you don't know if the defining method of USB
`·3· ·is the method by which the device communicates
`·4· ·with the host?
`·5· · · · · · A.· · I mean, there are many
`·6· ·specified methods within USB.· Some of them
`·7· ·have nothing to do with communication with the
`·8· ·host, so I am not sure what that sentence is
`·9· ·trying to establish.
`10· · · · · · Q.· · Now, there are a number of USB
`11· ·connectors that have existed through the
`12· ·present, is that correct?
`13· · · · · · A.· · There are a number of
`14· ·connectors that have existed in all kinds of
`15· ·specs to present, yes.
`16· · · · · · Q.· · I am talking about the USB
`17· ·specifications.
`18· · · · · · A.· · You didn't say that, sir.
`19· ·Sorry.
`20· · · · · · Q.· · I did, actually.· You must have
`21· ·not have heard me.
`22· · · · · · A.· · I didn't hear that.
`23· · · · · · Q.· · There are a number of USB
`24· ·connectors that exist through the present,
`25· ·correct, sir?
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`·1· · · · · · A.· · A number of USB connectors ...
`·2· · · · · · · · · Yes, there are a number of USB
`·3· ·connectors that exist through the present.
`·4· · · · · · Q.· · Can you list them for me?
`·5· · · · · · A.· · All of them precisely?· Not
`·6· ·necessarily.
`·7· · · · · · Q.· · Do the best you can, sir.
`·8· · · · · · A.· · Standard A plugs and
`·9· ·receptacles.· Standard B plugs and
`10· ·receptacles.· Mini-B plugs and receptacles.
`11· ·Mini-A plugs and receptacles.· I believe
`12· ·there's a mini-A/B receptacle.· Micro-A plugs
`13· ·and receptacles.· Micro-B plugs and
`14· ·receptacles.· And I believe there's also a
`15· ·micro-A/B receptacle.· There are type C,
`16· ·probably, plugs and receptacles.· There are,
`17· ·let's see, what else is there.· (Pause.)
`18· · · · · · · · · That's the majority that I can
`19· ·think of at the moment.
`20· · · · · · Q.· · Are there applications specific
`21· ·USB connectors?
`22· · · · · · A.· · Not defined by USB -- not
`23· ·specified by USB.
`24· · · · · · Q.· · Okay.· We'll get into that.
`25· · · · · · · · · Now, all of the connectors that
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`·1· ·you mentioned -- standard A, standard B,
`·2· ·mini-B, mini-A, micro-A, micro-B, micro-A/B
`·3· ·and type C -- all of them have a D- and D+
`·4· ·line, is that correct?
`·5· · · · · · A.· · They have D+ and D- in addition
`·6· ·to other signals, yes.
`·7· · · · · · Q.· · But all of those connectors
`·8· ·that I just listed have a D+ and D- line,
`·9· ·correct?
`10· · · · · · A.· · In addition to other
`11· ·signals, yes.
`12· · · · · · Q.· · If you can answer my question
`13· ·yes or no.
`14· · · · · · A.· · I have answered your
`15· ·question, sir.
`16· · · · · · Q.· · Sir, if you could answer my
`17· ·question yes or no.
`18· · · · · · A.· · I answered your question, sir.
`19· · · · · · Q.· · Sir, first off, I am going to
`20· ·ask you to let me finish my question.· And
`21· ·second, if you could answer my question yes or
`22· ·no, I would appreciate it.
`23· · · · · · · · · The USB connectors that I just
`24· ·listed -- standard A, standard B, mini-A,
`25· ·mini-B, micro-A, micro-B, micro-A/B and
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`·1· ·type C -- all have D- and D+ lines, correct?
`·2· · · · · · A.· · Those connectors have those
`·3· ·signals, in addition to others, yes.
`·4· · · · · · Q.· · So they all have D+ and D-, is
`·5· ·that correct?
`·6· · · · · · A.· · In addition to other
`·7· ·signals, yes.
`·8· · · · · · Q.· · And they all have ground,
`·9· ·correct?
`10· · · · · · A.· · In addition to other
`11· ·signals, yes.
`12· · · · · · Q.· · And they all have Vbus, is that
`13· ·correct?
`14· · · · · · A.· · In addition to other
`15· ·connectors -- other conductors, yes.
`16· · · · · · Q.· · Has there ever been a
`17· ·USB-specified connector that does not have
`18· ·D+ and D- lines as well as ground and Vbus?
`19· · · · · · A.· · Can ask you the question again?
`20· · · · · · Q.· · Sure.· Has there ever in
`21· ·history been a USB connector that does not
`22· ·have D+ and D- lines, Vbus and ground?
`23· · · · · · A.· · All of the USB defined -- all
`24· ·of the USB-specified connectors have had a D+,
`25· ·D-, Vbus and ground.
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`·1· · · · · · Q.· · Now let me ask you another
`·2· ·question, which is:· At the time that USB 1.1
`·3· ·was presented, it was designed to be backwards
`·4· ·interoperable with USB 1.0, correct?
`·5· · · · · · A.· · It turned out to be backwards
`·6· ·operable, yes.
`·7· · · · · · Q.· · And that was the intention when
`·8· ·1.1 was being draft, to ensure it would be
`·9· ·backwards operable?
`10· · · · · · A.· · Well, the intention of the
`11· ·USB 1.1 draft, I think you said, was to
`12· ·clarify things that were in the original USB 1
`13· ·spec.
`14· · · · · · Q.· · USB 1.1 is backwards
`15· ·interoperable of USB 1.0, correct?
`16· · · · · · A.· · It turned out that the details
`17· ·of USB 1.1 specification maintained backward
`18· ·compatibility with USB 1.0, yes.
`19· · · · · · · · · (Reporter Clarification)
`20· · · · · · A.· · Maintained backward
`21· ·compatibility with USB 1.0.
`22· · · · · · Q.· · And folks understood in the
`23· ·art that USB 1.1 was backward compatible with
`24· ·USB 1.0, correct?
`25· · · · · · A.· · They would be able to determine
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`·1· ·by reading the spec that it preserved the
`·2· ·compatibility with USB 1.
`·3· · · · · · Q.· · And USB 2.0 was backwards
`·4· ·interoperable with USB 1.1 and 1.0, correct?
`·5· · · · · · A.· · Only some of the features that
`·6· ·were contained in USB 2 allowed backward
`·7· ·compatibility with 1.0.
`·8· · · · · · Q.· · In fact, USB 2.0 announced that
`·9· ·had there was full backward compatibility of
`10· ·USB 2.0 for devices built to previous versions
`11· ·of the specification, correct?
`12· · · · · · A.· · If you could point me to a
`13· ·citation, I would like to see that in print.
`14· · · · · · Q.· · Before we do that, I'll get
`15· ·your testimony on the record.
`16· · · · · · · · · So USB 2.0 was fully backwards
`17· ·interoperable with previous versions of the
`18· ·specification, correct?
`19· · · · · · A.· · It sounds like a statement
`20· ·you're reflecting is from someplace.· I would
`21· ·like to see that statement --
`22· · · · · · Q.· · Can you just answer my question
`23· ·yes or no?
`24· · · · · · A.· · Not without seeing what you're
`25· ·referring to.
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`·1· · · · · · Q.· · Okay.· So we'll just get a
`·2· ·clear record.· You can't answer the question
`·3· ·of whether USB 2.0 had full backward
`·4· ·compatibility with previous versions of the
`·5· ·specification, correct?
`·6· · · · · · A.· · My initial reaction is that
`·7· ·certain of the features of USB would not be
`·8· ·able to be performed by and implemented by USB
`·9· ·1.0 --
`10· · · · · · · · · (Reporter Clarification)
`11· · · · · · A.· · Some of the features of
`12· ·USB 2.0 would not be able to be implemented
`13· ·by somebody following the specification of
`14· ·USB 1.0.
`15· · · · · · · · · · · · ---
`16· · · · · · · · · (Garney Exhibit 1, Universal
`17· · · · · · Serial Bus Specification, Revision
`18· · · · · · 2.0, Bates SAMSUNG_FISI00118913
`19· · · · · · through 9433 was marked for
`20· · · · · · identification)
`21· · · · · · · · · · · · ---
`22· ·BY MR. SHEASBY:
`23· · · · · · Q.· · I have handed you Garney
`24· ·exhibit 1, which is the Universal Serial Bus
`25· ·Specification, Revision 2.0.
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`·1· · · · · · · · · If you turn to page 11 of this
`·2· ·document, you'll see it says "Goals For the
`·3· ·Universal Serial Bus," section 3.1.
`·4· · · · · · · · · Do you see that, sir?
`·5· · · · · · A.· · I see that, yes.
`·6· · · · · · Q.· · And it says (as read):
`·7· · · · · · · · · The USB is specified to be an
`·8· · · · · · industry-standard extension to the PC
`·9· · · · · · architecture with a focus on PC
`10· · · · · · peripherals that enable consumer and
`11· · · · · · business applications.
`12· · · · · · · · · Do you see that, sir?
`13· · · · · · A.· · Yes, I do.
`14· · · · · · Q.· · It says (as read):
`15· · · · · · · · · The following criteria were
`16· · · · · · applied in defining the architecture
`17· · · · · · for the USB.
`18· · · · · · · · · Do you see that, sir?
`19· · · · · · A.· · Yes.
`20· · · · · · Q.· · And the last bullet point is
`21· ·(as read):
`22· · · · · · · · · Full backward compatibility of
`23· · · · · · USB 2.0 for devices built to previous
`24· · · · · · versions of the specification.
`25· · · · · · · · · Correct?
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`·1· · · · · · A.· · I see that, yes.
`·2· · · · · · Q.· · Did I read that statement
`·3· ·correctly?
`·4· · · · · · A.· · Yes.
`·5· · · · · · Q.· · And that statement is
`·6· ·incorrect, in your opinion?
`·7· · · · · · A.· · That isn't the statement you
`·8· ·said before.
`·9· · · · · · Q.· · So the record will tell what I
`10· ·said before, sir.
`11· · · · · · A.· · Yes.
`12· · · · · · Q.· · I am actually asking you a
`13· ·different question.
`14· · · · · · · · · Is it in fact the case that the
`15· ·following criteria were applied in defining
`16· ·the architecture for the USB; full backward
`17· ·compatibility of USB 2.0 for devices built to
`18· ·previous versions of the specification?
`19· · · · · · A.· · That's what's stated here, yes.
`20· · · · · · Q.· · Is that a correct
`21· ·statement, sir?
`22· · · · · · A.· · That's what's stated here, yes.
`23· · · · · · Q.· · Sir, can you just answer
`24· ·whether that's a correct statement?
`25· · · · · · A.· · I believe that statement is
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`·1· ·USB 1.1 or 1.0 specifications.
`·2· · · · · · Q.· · So there were features of
`·3· ·USB 2.0 that were not defined in USB 1.1
`·4· ·and 1.0?
`·5· · · · · · A.· · Yes.
`·6· · · · · · Q.· · But as to the features in
`·7· ·USB 1.1 and 1.0, USB 2.0 -- 2.0 devices would
`·8· ·be compatible with the USB 1.1 and 1.0
`·9· ·features, correct?
`10· · · · · · A.· · Someone that implemented a
`11· ·USB 1 or a 1.1 device would still be able to
`12· ·have that device operate according to the
`13· ·USB 2 features that applied to that version of
`14· ·the spec.
`15· · · · · · Q.· · And is that the case for
`16· ·subsequent versions of the specification
`17· ·as well?
`18· · · · · · A.· · Until those specifications are
`19· ·published, no one would know.
`20· · · · · · Q.· · I am actually asking a factual
`21· ·question, sir.
`22· · · · · · · · · The USB 3.0 specification -- a
`23· ·person building a USB 2.0 device, that device
`24· ·would be compatible with the USB 3.0
`25· ·specification, correct?
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`·1· ·correct.
`·2· · · · · · Q.· · And so folks would understand
`·3· ·that the USB 2.0 specification was backward
`·4· ·compatible with USB 1.1 and 1.0, correct?
`·5· · · · · · A.· · That's not what this statement
`·6· ·says.· This statement says full backward
`·7· ·compatibility of USB 2 for devices built to
`·8· ·previous versions of the specification.
`·9· · · · · · Q.· · Sir, I just asked you a
`10· ·separate question.
`11· · · · · · A.· · Yes.
`12· · · · · · Q.· · The question I asked you was
`13· ·would folks understand that USB 2.0 devices
`14· ·would be backward compatible with USB 1.1 and
`15· ·1.0 devices?
`16· · · · · · A.· · I am not sure who you mean by
`17· ·folks.
`18· · · · · · Q.· · Would persons of ordinary
`19· ·skill in the art understand that USB 2.0
`20· ·devices would be fully backward compatible
`21· ·with USB 1.1 and 1.0 devices?
`22· · · · · · A.· · No.
`23· · · · · · Q.· · Why not?
`24· · · · · · A.· · Because there are features
`25· ·within the USB that weren't defined in the
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`·1· · · · · · A.· · I believe it would be the case
`·2· ·that the USB 2 features would still be able to
`·3· ·operate under the USB 3 specification.
`·4· · · · · · Q.· · And persons of ordinary skill
`·5· ·in the art would understand that based on
`·6· ·reading USB 3.0?
`·7· · · · · · A.· · I believe there are statements
`·8· ·in USB 3 that says for features not specified
`·9· ·in USB 3, go back to the USB 2 specification.
`10· · · · · · Q.· · USB 3.0 incorporates the
`11· ·features of USB 2.0 and adds additional
`12· ·features?
`13· · · · · · A.· · I wouldn't say that.
`14· · · · · · Q.· · How would you describe it?
`15· · · · · · A.· · USB 3 defines new features --
`16· ·superspeed, as an example of features that are
`17· ·there -- and refers back to USB 2 to find the
`18· ·definition -- the specifications of USB 2
`19· ·features.
`20· · · · · · Q.· · So USB 3.0 adds new features,
`21· ·we agree with that, correct?
`22· · · · · · A.· · No.· It defines features.
`23· · · · · · Q.· · USB 3.0 defines new features,
`24· ·correct?
`25· · · · · · A.· · USB 3.0 defines features.
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`·1· · · · · · Q.· · And those are features that
`·2· ·didn't exist in USB 2.0, correct?
`·3· · · · · · A.· · Yes.
`·4· · · · · · Q.· · And then it refers back to
`·5· ·USB 2.0 for the definitions of preexisting
`·6· ·features?
`·7· · · · · · A.· · It refers back to USB 2.0 for
`·8· ·definitions of USB 2 features.
`·9· · · · · · Q.· · And is the same the way for
`10· ·USB 3.1?
`11· · · · · · A.· · I believe USB 3.1 supersedes
`12· ·USB 3.0, and similarly refers back -- refers
`13· ·people of ordinary skill back to USB 2.0 for
`14· ·USB 2.0 specification details.
`15· · · · · · Q.· · Does USB 2.0 refer folks back
`16· ·to USB 1.1 for features that existed in 1.1?
`17· · · · · · A.· · State the question again?
`18· · · · · · Q.· · Sure.· Does USB 2.0 refer folks
`19· ·back to USB 1.1 for features that existed in
`20· ·USB 1.1?
`21· · · · · · A.· · No.· USB 2 essentially
`22· ·supersedes USB 1.1.
`23· · · · · · Q.· · So USB 3.0 does not supersede
`24· ·USB 2.0?
`25· · · · · · A.· · That's correct.
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`·1· · · · · · Q.· · It adds additional features?
`·2· · · · · · A.· · It adds features that are
`·3· ·specified in USB 3.0.· Or it specifies
`·4· ·features that are specified in USB 3.0.
`·5· · · · · · Q.· · Now talk to me about USB 3.1.
`·6· ·You said something interesting to me.· You
`·7· ·said it was -- it superseded USB 3.0.· Tell me
`·8· ·what you mean by that.
`·9· · · · · · A.· · My understanding is that
`10· ·USB 3.0 defines features that didn't exist in
`11· ·USB 3.0 and essentially replaces USB 3.0.
`12· · · · · · Q.· · Does USB 3.1 reference feature
`13· ·definitions from USB 2.0?
`14· · · · · · A.· · It refers people back to
`15· ·USB 2.0 for USB 2 specified -- specification
`16· ·details.
`17· · · · · · Q.· · So USB 3.0 adds new features
`18· ·and refers persons of skill back to USB 2.0
`19· ·for the USB 2.0 defined features?
`20· · · · · · A.· · USB 3.0 defines the features of
`21· ·USB 3.0 and it refers people -- refers people
`22· ·of ordinary skill in the art back to USB 2 for
`23· ·USB 2 specified features.
`24· · · · · · Q.· · And if a device that is --
`25· ·implements USB 2.0 would be able to
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`·1· ·interoperate with USB 3.0, correct?
`·2· · · · · · A.· · A device implemented according
`·3· ·to the USB 2 specifications could connect and
`·4· ·operate within a USB 3 system.
`·5· · · · · · Q.· · Okay.· Now, what is the purpose
`·6· ·of the D+ and D- pins on USB connectors?
`·7· · · · · · A.· · The purpose of the D+ and
`·8· ·D- pins on the connectors are to carry D+ and
`·9· ·D- signalling and to also allow physical
`10· ·connection of a plug to a receptacle.
`11· · · · · · Q.· · And what's the role of D+ and
`12· ·D- signalling?
`13· · · · · · A.· · I'm sorry, what's the role?
`14· · · · · · Q.· · What's the role of D+ and
`15· ·D- signalling?
`16· · · · · · A.· · There's several roles.
`17· · · · · · Q.· · Tell me what they are, sir.
`18· · · · · · A.· · I don't know that I can
`19· ·enumerate all of them without referring, but
`20· ·they carry voltage levels.· That's probably
`21· ·the most basic role.
`22· · · · · · Q.· · Anything else?
`23· · · · · · A.· · Well, those voltage levels are
`24· ·used for many purposes.
`25· · · · · · Q.· · What are they used for?
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`·1· · · · · · A.· · They're used for full, low, and
`·2· ·high-speed signalling.· They're used for reset
`·3· ·signalling.· They're used for suspend
`·4· ·signalling.· They're used for device-attached
`·5· ·signalling.· They're used for packet beginning
`·6· ·and end signalling.· That's probably most of
`·7· ·the purposes that I can think of.
`·8· · · · · · Q.· · Are they used for enumeration?
`·9· · · · · · A.· · They're involved in
`10· ·enumeration.
`11· · · · · · Q.· · Are the D+ and D- lines the
`12· ·lines through which signals are passed for the
`13· ·purposes of enumeration?
`14· · · · · · A.· · Enumeration is more than simply
`15· ·signalling.
`16· · · · · · Q.· · I understand that, but between
`17· ·the two devices, are the D+ and D- lines the
`18· ·lines over which the signals are passed that
`19· ·initiate enumeration?
`20· · · · · · A.· · D+ and D- are used by a device
`21· ·to indicate attach, which is one of the first
`22· ·steps of enumeration.
`23· · · · · · Q.· · What other roles do D+ and
`24· ·D- play in enumeration?
`25· · · · · · A.· · There's eight steps of
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`·1· ·enumeration.· That's a lot of details.· You
`·2· ·want me to try to enumerate everything?
`·3· · · · · · Q.· · Yes, I want you to tell me
`·4· ·everything that involves enumeration in
`·5· ·D+ and D-.
`·6· · · · · · A.· · Okay.· So the first thing
`·7· ·that happens is