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`·4· ·PERKINS COIE
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`·5· ·Attorneys for Mylan
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`·6· · · · · · ·1120 NW Couch Street
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`·8· · · · · · ·Portland, Oregon 97209-4128
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`12· ·Attorneys for Horizon
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`14· · · · · · ·Palo Alto, California 94304
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`15· ·BY:· · · ·LAUREN KRICKL, ESQ.
`· · · · · · · ·ELLEN SCORDINO, ESQ.
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`·4· · · · ·MR. GRITTON:· Jeffrey Gritton
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`·6· · · · ·THE COURT REPORTER:· Are you
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`·7· ·ordering a copy of the transcript, Mr.
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`·9· · · · ·MR. GRITTON:· Yes.
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`10· · · · ·THE COURT REPORTER:· Would you
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`11· ·like a rough draft at the end of the
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`13· · · · ·MR. GRITTON:· Yes.
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`14· · · · ·THE COURT REPORTER:· Your email
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`15· ·address, please.
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`16· · · · ·MR. GRITTON:· Jeff.gritton@baker
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`17· ·botts.com.
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`20· ·Dr. Michael Mayersohn, in the matter
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`21· ·Mylan Pharmaceuticals, Inc., versus
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`24· ·Cooley, located at 1114 Avenue of the
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`·5· ·is Adrienne Mignano in association
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`·6· ·with Esquire Solutions.
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`·7· · · · ·Will present counsel please
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`·9· · · · ·MS. KRICKL:· Lauren Krickl of
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`10· ·Cooley LLP, representing plaintiff,
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`11· ·and with me is Ellen Scordino also of
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`12· ·Cooley LLP, representing plaintiff,
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`13· ·Horizon.
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`14· · · · ·MR. GRITTON:· And this is Jeff
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`15· ·Gritton from Baker Botts representing
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`17· · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Bryan Beel from
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`·2· ·M I C H A E L· · ·M A Y E R S O H N, called
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`·8· · · ·Q· · ·Good morning, Dr. Mayersohn.
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`·9· · · ·A· · ·Good morning, Ms. Krickl.
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`10· · · · · · ·How are you?
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`11· · · ·Q· · ·Good.· I'm good.· How are you?
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`12· · · ·A· · ·I'm okay.
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`13· · · ·Q· · ·Good.
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`14· · · · · · ·Please state your full name and
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`15· ·address for the record.
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`16· · · ·A· · ·Michael Mayersohn.· Home
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`17· ·address, correct?
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`18· · · ·Q· · ·Yes.
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`19· · · ·A· · ·4394 West Butterfly Mountain
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`20· ·Drive, Marana, M-A-R-A-N-A, Arizona 85658.
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`21· · · ·Q· · ·Do you understand that you just
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`22· ·swore under oath to tell the truth at this
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`23· ·deposition today?
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`24· · · ·A· · ·Certainly.
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`25· · · ·Q· · ·Do you understand that the
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`·2· ·testimony you will give is just as binding
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`·3· ·as if you were sitting in court?
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`·4· · · ·A· · ·I do.
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`·5· · · ·Q· · ·Is there any reason why you
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`·8· · · ·A· · ·No, ma'am.
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`·9· · · ·Q· · ·So you have testified at a
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`10· ·deposition before, right?
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`11· · · ·A· · ·I have.
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`12· · · ·Q· · ·So I'll just go over some ground
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`13· ·rules so we're on the same page.
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`14· · · ·A· · ·Sure.
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`15· · · ·Q· · ·If you don't understand a
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`16· ·question, please let me know.· Otherwise,
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`17· ·I will assume that you understood my
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`18· ·question.
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`19· · · · · · ·Okay?
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`20· · · ·A· · ·Yes.
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`21· · · ·Q· · ·Do you understand that we can't
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`22· ·speak over each other to help the court
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`23· ·reporter?
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`24· · · ·A· · ·Yes.
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`25· · · ·Q· · ·And the court reporter cannot
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`·2· ·record a nod or a gesture, so you'll need
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`·4· · · ·A· · ·Understood.
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`·5· · · ·Q· · ·Do you understand that even if
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`·6· ·your attorney objects to my question, you
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`·8· ·you not to answer?
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`·9· · · ·A· · ·Yes, ma'am.
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`10· · · ·Q· · ·We'll take breaks about every
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`11· ·hour but if you would like a break, please
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`12· ·let us know and we'll take one; however,
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`13· ·we ask that a question not be pending when
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`14· ·you ask for your break.
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`15· · · ·A· · ·Understood.
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`16· · · ·Q· · ·Do you understand that you
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`18· ·testimony during a break?
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`19· · · ·A· · ·I do.
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`20· · · ·Q· · ·How did you prepare for this
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`21· ·deposition?
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`22· · · ·A· · ·The typical way that an expert
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`23· ·would prepare.· I studied on my own
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`24· ·material that presumably you would be
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`25· ·deposing me on.· I met with Dr. Beel
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`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
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`·2· ·yesterday.
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`·3· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Thank you for that.
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`·4· · · ·That was very nice.
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`·5· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· You're welcome.
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`·6· ·BY MS. KRICKL:
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`·7· · · ·Q· · ·How long did you meet with him
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`·8· ·for?
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`·9· · · ·A· · ·From 9 to about 4 o'clock.
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`10· ·There was also a very brief phone
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`11· ·conversation with Mr. Swanson and Ms.
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`12· ·Nero, both of Perkins Coie.
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`13· · · ·Q· · ·Did you talk with anyone else?
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`14· · · ·A· · ·No.
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`15· · · ·Q· · ·Did you review any documents
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`16· ·during those meetings?
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`17· · · ·A· · ·Certainly.
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`18· · · ·Q· · ·Did you do any independent
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`19· ·preparation for today's deposition that
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`20· ·was not with Mylan's attorneys?
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`21· · · ·A· · ·Yes.
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`22· · · ·Q· · ·Did you draft any notes or other
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`23· ·documents to prepare for your deposition
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`24· ·today?
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`25· · · ·A· · ·I may have, but I have since
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`·3· · · ·Q· · ·And did you bring any documents
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`·5· · · ·A· · ·No, ma'am.
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`·6· · · ·Q· · ·Did you have any conversations
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`·7· ·with non-attorneys regarding the
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`·8· ·deposition testimony?
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`·9· · · ·A· · ·No.
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`10· · · ·Q· · ·What is your understanding of
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`11· ·why you are here today giving testimony?
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`12· · · ·A· · ·I have been invited here to
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`13· ·defend a declaration that I submitted with
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`14· ·regard to litigation of the '698 patent.
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`15· · · ·Q· · ·Great.
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`16· · · · · · ·Do you know what an IPR is?
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`17· · · ·A· · ·I do.
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`18· · · ·Q· · ·So you understand that an IPR is
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`19· ·a proceeding before the Patent Trial and
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`20· ·Appeal Board regarding the validity of
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`21· ·patent claims over prior art patents or
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`22· ·printed publications, correct?
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`23· · · ·A· · ·That's my understanding.
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`24· · · ·Q· · ·And you just mentioned that U.S.
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`·2· ·challenged in this IPR?
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`·3· · · ·A· · ·Yes.
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`·4· · · ·Q· · ·So in connection, in preparing
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`·7· · · ·A· · ·In preparing my declaration?
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`·8· · · ·Q· · ·Yes.
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`10· · · ·Q· · ·When was the last time you
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`12· · · ·A· · ·About 11:30 last night.
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`13· · · ·Q· · ·Do you understand that all
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`14· ·claims 1 through 7 of the '698 patent are
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`16· · · ·A· · ·I do understand that.
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`17· · · ·Q· · ·Did you specifically review
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`18· ·claims 1 through 7 in connection with the
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`20· · · ·A· · ·Yes.
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`21· · · ·Q· · ·I'm going to go ahead and
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`22· ·introduce the '698 patent as Exhibit 1001.
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`23· ·This is already marked.
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`24· · · ·A· · ·Thank you.
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`25· · · ·Q· · ·Are you aware that there is a
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`·2· ·district court litigation relating to the
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`·4· · · ·A· · ·A current litigation?
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`·5· · · ·Q· · ·Yes.
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`·6· · · ·A· · ·I believe I understand that to
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`·7· ·be right, yes.
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`·8· · · · · · ·MS. KRICKL:· I'll next mark
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`·9· · · ·Mylan's IPR petition as 2100.
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`10· · · · · · ·(Whereupon, Mylan's IPR
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`11· · · ·Petition, was marked as Exhibit 2100
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`12· · · ·for identification, as of this date.)
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`13· ·BY MS. KRICKL:
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`14· · · ·Q· · ·I'm handing you what the court
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`15· ·reporter has just marked as Exhibit 2100.
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`16· · · ·A· · ·Thank you.
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`17· · · ·Q· · ·Please turn to pages 1 through 2
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`18· ·of the Mylan IPR petition.
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`19· · · · · · ·Under related matters subsection
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`20· ·B, do you see that it lists several
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`21· ·district court litigations?
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`22· · · ·A· · ·Yes, ma'am.
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`23· · · ·Q· · ·Do you see that the first two
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`25· · · ·A· · ·I do.
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`·2· · · ·Q· · ·Great.
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`·3· · · · · · ·Are you involved in any of these
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`·5· · · ·A· · ·Not that I'm aware of, no.
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`·6· · · ·Q· · ·So you did not do an expert
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`·7· ·report in any of these litigations?
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`·8· · · ·A· · ·No.
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`·9· · · ·Q· · ·Were you asked to?
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`10· · · ·A· · ·No.
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`11· · · ·Q· · ·So you have not given any
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`13· ·regarding the validity of the '698 patent,
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`15· · · ·A· · ·That's correct.· As you know, I
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`17· ·trial.· I don't think the '698 was
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`18· ·involved in that litigation.
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`19· · · ·Q· · ·Were you retained by Mylan for
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`20· ·your declaration in this IPR?
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`21· · · ·A· · ·Well, I was retained by Perkins
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`22· ·Coie on behalf of Mylan, yes.
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`23· · · ·Q· · ·Do you have an agreement with
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`25· · · ·A· · ·By that you mean a contract?
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`·2· · · ·Q· · ·Yes, or a consultant agreement
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`·3· ·or any type of agreement?
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`·4· · · ·A· · ·Yes, it is actually through
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`·7· ·with Perkins Coie, but there is a contract
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`·8· ·signed by representatives of Perkins Coie.
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`·9· · · ·Q· · ·Okay.
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`10· · · · · · ·So you don't recall the name of
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`11· ·that company at this time?
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`12· · · ·A· · ·Sometimes towards the end of
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`15· · · ·Q· · ·Okay.
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`16· · · · · · ·You're being compensated $800 an
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`17· ·hour for your work on this matter,
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`18· ·correct?
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`19· · · ·A· · ·Correct.
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`20· · · ·Q· · ·About how many hours have you
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`22· · · ·A· · ·I can't offer you an accurate
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`·2· · · ·Q· · ·Yes.
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`·3· · · ·A· · ·Yeah, I'm sorry, sitting here
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`·4· ·now I can't recall the number of hours.
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`·5· · · ·Q· · ·You asked if I'm talking
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`·6· ·specifically about the IPR activity.
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`·7· · · · · · ·Is there any other activity
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`·9· · · ·A· · ·The prior case that went to
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`10· ·trial.
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`11· · · ·Q· · ·Okay.
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`12· · · · · · ·Do you think you spent more than
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`14· · · ·A· · ·Yes.
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`15· · · ·Q· · ·Yes.· More than 20?
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`16· · · ·A· · ·Probably.
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`17· · · ·Q· · ·More than 50?
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`18· · · ·A· · ·I don't know.· I simply don't
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`20· · · ·Q· · ·Okay.· Thank you.
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`21· · · · · · ·Do you have an agreement with
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`23· · · ·A· · ·I don't believe so.· I don't
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`·2· · · ·Q· · ·Do you --
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`·3· · · ·A· · ·Excuse me.· The face of the IPR
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`·4· ·petition says Mylan and it doesn't mention
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`·5· ·any other company.
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`·6· · · ·Q· · ·Do you have an agreement with
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`·7· ·Budd Larner, the law firm, regarding the
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`·8· ·'698 patent?
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`·9· · · ·A· · ·I don't believe so, no.· I do
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`10· ·remember being contacted by them.· I think
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`11· ·it was with regard to this case, but I'm
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`12· ·not certain.· In any event, I'm not
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`13· ·working with them.
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`14· · · ·Q· · ·Are you aware that DRL has filed
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`15· ·a motion for joinder with the present IPR?
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`16· · · ·A· · ·What does that mean?
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`17· · · ·Q· · ·They have filed their own
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`18· ·petition for IPR of the '698 patent and
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`19· ·they have moved to join that proceeding
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`20· ·with this one.
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`21· · · ·A· · ·I don't recall being aware of
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`22· ·that, no.
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`23· · · ·Q· · ·So you did not assist counsel
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`24· ·for DRL in preparing DRL's petition for
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`25· ·IPR of the '698 patent, right?
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`·2· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection.· Outside
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`·3· · · ·the scope.
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`·4· · · ·A· · ·To the best of my knowledge, no.
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`·5· · · ·Q· · ·And you did not assist counsel
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`·6· ·for DRL in preparing DRL's motion for
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`·7· ·joinder with this IPR?
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`·8· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Same objection.
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`·9· · · ·A· · ·No.
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`10· · · ·Q· · ·Do you have an agreement with
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`11· ·Lupin regarding the '698 patent?
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`12· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection.· Scope.
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`13· · · ·A· · ·No.
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`14· · · ·Q· · ·Since trial in January 2017,
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`15· ·have you talked with counsel from DRL
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`16· ·about any patents besides the '907 and
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`17· ·'285 patents?
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`18· · · ·A· · ·Can you ask that question again?
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`19· · · ·Q· · ·Since trial in January 2017,
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`20· ·have you talked with counsel from DRL
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`21· ·about any patents besides the '907 and
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`22· ·'285 patents?
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`23· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection.· Scope.
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`24· · · ·A· · ·No.
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`25· · · ·Q· · ·Since trial in January 2017,
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`·2· ·have you talked with counsel from Lupin
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`·3· ·about any patents besides the '907 and
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`·4· ·'285 patents?
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`·5· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Same objection.
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`·6· · · ·A· · ·No.
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`·7· · · ·Q· · ·When preparing your declaration
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`·8· ·for this IPR, did you have any
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`·9· ·communications with counsel from DRL, Budd
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`10· ·Larner?
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`11· · · ·A· · ·No.
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`12· · · ·Q· · ·When preparing your declaration
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`13· ·for Mylan's IPR, did you have any
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`14· ·communications with counsel from Lupin?
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`15· · · ·A· · ·No.
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`16· · · ·Q· · ·Do you intend to testify before
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`17· ·the Patent Trial and Appeal Board during
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`18· ·any oral argument in this IPR?
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`19· · · ·A· · ·If asked by counsel, yes.
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`20· · · ·Q· · ·When were you first contacted
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`21· ·regarding submitting a declaration in
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`22· ·connection with this IPR?
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`23· · · ·A· · ·Can I see my declaration?
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`24· · · ·Q· · ·Yes.
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`25· · · ·A· · ·Thank you.
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`·2· · · ·Q· · ·I'm handing you what's already
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`·3· ·been marked as Exhibit 1003.
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`·4· · · ·A· · ·Thank you.· Thank you.
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`·5· · · ·Q· · ·So just to repeat my question,
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`·6· ·when were you first contacted regarding
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`·7· ·submitting this declaration?
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`·8· · · ·A· · ·I can't recall exactly, Ms.
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`·9· ·Krickl, but this declaration is signed
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`10· ·August 23, 2017, so my best recollection
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`11· ·would have been early or mid summer of
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`12· ·2017 before this was signed.
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`13· · · ·Q· · ·So you first started working on
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`14· ·this declaration in early or midsummer
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`15· ·2017, right?
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`16· · · ·A· · ·Yes, that's what I just said.
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`17· · · ·Q· · ·Are you aware that the district
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`18· ·court issued a decision in the earlier
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`19· ·round of litigation on June 26, 2017?
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`20· · · ·A· · ·Is that the litigation which I
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`21· ·testified at trial?
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`22· · · ·Q· · ·Yes.
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`23· · · ·A· · ·I know a decision was rendered.
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`24· ·I don't remember the date.
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`25· · · ·Q· · ·So who first contacted you
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`·2· ·regarding drafting a declaration in this
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`·3· ·IPR?
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`·4· · · ·A· · ·I'm pretty certain it was Dr.
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`·5· ·Beel.
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`·6· · · ·Q· · ·What did he state to you?
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`·7· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection.
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`·8· · · ·Privilege.· You can describe generally
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`·9· · · ·what we discussed but not the content
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`10· · · ·of the conversations.
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`11· · · ·A· · ·My recollection of a
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`12· ·conversation is pretty dim.· I assume he
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`13· ·would have told me what was going on in
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`14· ·terms of the need to submit an IPR for the
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`15· ·'698, would I be interested in offering a
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`16· ·declaration given the fact that I was
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`17· ·familiar with the Vimovo situation.
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`18· ·Vimovo, V-I-M-O-V-O, product.· I agreed to
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`19· ·offer a declaration.
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`20· · · ·Q· · ·Did he provide you with the '698
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`21· ·patent?
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`22· · · ·A· · ·At some point, certainly. I
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`23· ·don't remember when.
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`24· · · ·Q· · ·Did he provide you with the '698
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`25· ·patent in early or midsummer 2017?
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`·2· · · ·A· · ·Again, to the best of my
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`·3· ·recollection, it would have been before I
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`·4· ·attempted to draft this declaration of
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`·5· ·course.
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`·6· · · ·Q· · ·And you're aware that the
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`·7· ·earlier decision in district court
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`·8· ·involved patents related to the '698
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`·9· ·patent at issue here?
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`10· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection to form.
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`11· · · ·A· · ·By "related," you mean of the
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`12· ·same family or the same content issues?
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`13· · · ·Q· · ·So are you aware that the '698
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`14· ·patent is listed in the orange book as
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`15· ·covering Vimovo?
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`16· · · ·A· · ·That's my understanding, yes.
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`17· · · ·Q· · ·And you're aware that the '907
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`18· ·and '285 patents from the earlier case are
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`19· ·also listed in the orange book covering
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`20· ·Vimovo, correct?
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`21· · · ·A· · ·Yes.
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`22· · · ·Q· · ·Okay.
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`23· · · · · · ·Are you aware that the district
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`24· ·court decision from the earlier case found
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`25· ·the '907 and '285 patents valid and
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`·2· ·infringed?
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`·3· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Outside the scope.
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`·4· · · ·A· · ·I don't know the exact basis of
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`·5· ·their decision.· I'm not aware of the
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`·6· ·decision, specific decision.
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`·7· · · ·Q· · ·Okay.
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`·8· · · · · · ·MS. KRICKL:· So I'd like to mark
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`·9· · · ·this as Exhibit 2101.
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`10· · · · · · ·(Whereupon, Decision by Judge
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`11· · · ·Cooper, was marked as Exhibit 2101 for
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`12· · · ·identification, as of this date.)
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`13· ·BY MS. KRICKL:
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`14· · · ·Q· · ·I'm handing you what's just been
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`15· ·marked as Exhibit 2101.
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`16· · · ·A· · ·Thank you.
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`17· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· I'll object.· Outside
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`18· · · ·the scope because it is not in the
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`19· · · ·materials he reviewed for the IPR.
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`20· · · ·Q· · ·Have you seen this document
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`21· ·before?
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`22· · · ·A· · ·No.
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`23· · · · · · ·This is Judge Cooper's decision?
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`24· · · ·Q· · ·Yes.
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`25· · · ·A· · ·No.
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`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
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`·2· · · ·Q· · ·Could you turn to the last page,
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`·3· ·page 65?
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`·4· · · ·A· · ·Yes.
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`·5· · · ·Q· · ·Do you see under the conclusion
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`·6· ·where it says, "We find that the claims of
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`·7· ·the '907 and '285 patents are not invalid
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`·8· ·under 35 USC § 103 or Section 112"?
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`·9· · · ·A· · ·I do.
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`10· · · ·Q· · ·Thank you.
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`11· · · · · · ·So it's correct that you were
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`12· ·contacted shortly after this --
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`13· · · · · · ·MS. KRICKL:· Actually, let me
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`14· · · ·withdraw that.
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`15· · · ·Q· · ·Do you see that this opinion was
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`16· ·signed July 10, 2017?
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`17· · · ·A· · ·I do.
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`18· · · ·Q· · ·Were you contacted before or
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`19· ·after that date?
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`20· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection to form.
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`21· · · ·A· · ·I simply don't recall the date.
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`22· ·I know certainly it was before I authored
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`23· ·the declaration, I don't know how much
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`24· ·before however.
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`25· · · ·Q· · ·Can you describe for me the
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`·2· ·process by which your declaration was
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`·3· ·drafted?
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`·4· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection.
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`·5· · · ·Privilege.· You can describe the
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`·6· · · ·process generally but not the content
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`·7· · · ·of our conversations.
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`·8· · · ·A· · ·I would say in the same general
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`·9· ·way that all reports by experts are issued
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`10· ·and created.
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`11· · · · · · ·It was a collaborative effort
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`12· ·primarily with Dr. Beel where I offered my
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`13· ·expert opinion on those issues that
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`14· ·required an expert opinion.· He offered
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`15· ·the interpretation of law involved in the
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`16· ·litigation, and I would have gone through
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`17· ·several drafts prior to obtaining the
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`18· ·final copy, final version.· Along the way
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`19· ·I would have read materials cited which is
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`20· ·attachment B to the declaration, and those
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`21· ·readings would have further informed me of
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`22· ·the issues involved and help me reach my
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`23· ·opinions.
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`24· · · ·Q· · ·Who wrote the first draft of
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`25· ·your declaration?
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`·2· · · ·A· · ·It -- again, it was a
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`·3· ·collaborative effort so the first -- what
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`·4· ·resulted in the first draft would have
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`·5· ·been writing from Dr. Beel and from
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`·6· ·myself.· Each contributing to those
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`·7· ·portions related to our expertise.· And
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`·8· ·multiple drafts followed that same
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`·9· ·pattern.
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`10· · · ·Q· · ·Did you work with anyone else
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`11· ·besides Dr. Beel?
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`12· · · ·A· · ·Not to my recollection, no.
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`13· · · ·Q· · ·Did you work with counsel from
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`14· ·DRL in preparing your declaration?
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`15· · · ·A· · ·No.
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`16· · · ·Q· · ·How about counsel from Lupin?
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`17· · · ·A· · ·Same answer.
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`18· · · ·Q· · ·So Dr. Beel is the one who typed
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`19· ·the first draft of your declaration?
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`20· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection to form.
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`21· · · ·A· · ·No, as I said in my response to
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`22· ·the previous question, I contributed a
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`23· ·component, he contributed a component. I
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`24· ·would have typed or written my sections.
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`25· ·He would have done the same for his.
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`·2· · · ·Q· · ·So looking at your declaration,
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`·3· ·which sections did you draft?
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`·4· · · ·A· · ·I knew that would be the next
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`·5· ·question.
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`·6· · · · · · ·I could clearly identify a
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`·7· ·section that I wrote by myself completely,
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`·8· ·perhaps with some modification from
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`·9· ·counsel, and that would have been starting
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`10· ·on page 12.· And going through page 21.
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`11· ·These represent background information in
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`12· ·my specialty for which I am offering my
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`13· ·expertise.
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`14· · · · · · ·In between many of the rest of
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`15· ·this declaration, I would have made
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`16· ·contributions and I simply -- it was a
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`17· ·synthesis, and I can't pull out for you
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`18· ·those things that I said and those things
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`19· ·that Dr. Beel would have said.
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`20· · · ·Q· · ·So the background section on
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`21· ·pages 12 through 21 is the only section
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`22· ·that you drafted originally?
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`23· · · ·A· · ·Exclusively.
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`24· · · ·Q· · ·Exclusively.
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`25· · · · · · ·Did you provide any edits to Dr.
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`·2· ·Beel's sections?
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`·3· · · ·A· · ·Of course, yes.
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`·4· · · ·Q· · ·Do you remember any edits you
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`·5· ·made in particular?
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`·6· · · ·A· · ·No.
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`·7· · · ·Q· · ·How long did you spend on your
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`·8· ·declaration?
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`·9· · · ·A· · ·The reason I have trouble
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`10· ·answering the question is because it
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`11· ·wasn't at a single.· It was drawn out over
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`12· ·probably several weeks.
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`13· · · · · · ·I just don't know.
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`14· · · ·Q· · ·Did you have conversations with
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`15· ·lawyers before your declaration was
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`16· ·drafted?
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`17· · · ·A· · ·By "lawyers," you mean other
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`18· ·than Dr. Beel?
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`19· · · ·Q· · ·Including Dr. Beel.
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`20· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection to form.
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`21· · · ·A· · ·I think it is probably fair to
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`22· ·say my interaction was limited to
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`23· ·discussions with Dr. Beel.
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`24· · · ·Q· · ·Okay.
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`25· · · · · · ·Were you given a budget of time
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`·2· ·to spend on your declaration?
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`·3· · · ·A· · ·No, I was not.
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`·4· · · ·Q· · ·Okay.· Turning to attachment B
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`·5· ·of your declaration.
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`·6· · · ·A· · ·Yes, ma'am.
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`·7· · · ·Q· · ·These are the materials you
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`·8· ·reviewed for your declaration, correct?
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`·9· · · ·A· · ·That is correct.
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`10· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection to form.
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`11· · · ·A· · ·This list presents the material
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`12· ·that I considered in preparation of this
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`13· ·declaration, that is correct.
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`14· · · ·Q· · ·How did you select those
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`15· ·materials?
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`16· · · ·A· · ·Well, some of them are pretty
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`17· ·obvious.· '698, '907, '285 patents because
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`18· ·they are involved in litigation.· Many of
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`19· ·the other citations here I would have been
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`20· ·familiar with from the previous --
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`21· · · · · · ·MS. KRICKL:· We'll just note
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`22· · · ·that construction workers just passed
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`23· · · ·by, for the record.
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`24· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Dr. Mayersohn is not
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`25· · · ·waiving to the videographer.
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`·2· · · ·A· · ·Many of the other citations here
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`·3· ·I would have been familiar with from the
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`·4· ·previous litigation.· If not all of them
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`·5· ·actually.· So I would have been aware of
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`·6· ·all of these.
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`·7· · · · · · ·I can't think of an exception --
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`·8· ·oh, the exception would be, for example,
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`·9· ·on the third page, the use of the word --
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`10· ·the definition of the word "target" which
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`11· ·became specific for consideration in this
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`12· ·litigation.· And counsel would have
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`13· ·provided that information for me.· I would
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`14· ·have provided, for example, 1026, which is
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`15· ·one of my chapters.
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`16· · · · · · ·Did that answer your question?
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`17· · · ·Q· · ·Yes.
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`18· · · · · · ·Did you review the petition for
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`19· ·this IPR before signing your declaration?
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`20· · · ·A· · ·The petition, that's the one you
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`21· ·showed me?
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`22· · · ·Q· · ·Yes.· I believe it is Exhibit
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`23· ·2100.
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`24· · · ·A· · ·Yes.
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`25· · · · · · ·It probably would have been
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`·2· ·impossible.· It's dated August 24th and my
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`·3· ·declaration is the 23rd.
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`·4· · · ·Q· · ·Did you review any drafts of the
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`·5· ·petition before signing your declaration?
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`·6· · · ·A· · ·I'm not aware that there were
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`·7· ·drafts.· Not that I know of.
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`·8· · · ·Q· · ·So you didn't make any edits to
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`·9· ·the petition, correct?
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`10· · · ·A· · ·Submitted by Pozen?
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`11· · · · · · ·Are you talking about the Mylan?
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`12· · · ·Q· · ·The petition submitted by Mylan.
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`13· · · ·A· · ·Sorry, I misunderstood.
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`14· · · ·Q· · ·That's okay.
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`15· · · ·A· · ·I misunderstood your question.
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`16· ·I thought you were talking about a
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`17· ·submission by Pozen or Horizon, you are
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`18· ·not.
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`19· · · · · · ·You are talking about Mylan's?
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`20· · · ·Q· · ·Yes.
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`21· · · ·A· · ·I'm sorry.
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`22· · · · · · ·No, I don't believe I did.
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`23· · · ·Q· · ·Okay.
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`24· · · · · · ·Did you read Horizon's and
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`25· ·Pozen's preliminary response to Mylan's
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`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
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`·2· ·petition in this IPR?
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`·3· · · ·A· · ·I don't recall.· I don't believe
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`·4· ·so.
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`·5· · · ·Q· · ·Okay.
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`·6· · · · · · ·Did you read the patent office's
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`·7· ·institution decision in this matter?
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`·8· · · ·A· · ·Which decision are you talking
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`·9· ·about?
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`10· · · ·Q· · ·Are you aware that the patent
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`11· ·and trademark -- or the patent --
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`12· · · · · · ·MS. KRICKL:· Excuse me.· I'll
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`13· · · ·withdraw that.
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`14· · · ·Q· · ·Are you aware that the Patent
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`15· ·Trial and Appeal Board has instituted
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`16· ·review of this IPR?
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`17· · · ·A· · ·Yes, that's why we're here, I
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`18· ·assume.
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`19· · · ·Q· · ·Yes.
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`20· · · · · · ·Have you reviewed that decision
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`21· ·to institute by the PTAB?
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`22· · · ·A· · ·I don't believe so, no.
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`23· · · ·Q· · ·So Exhibit B is a complete and
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`24· ·accurate list of everything you reviewed
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`25· ·in connection with your declaration in
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`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
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`·2· ·this IPR, right?
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`·3· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection to form.
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`·4· · · ·A· · ·I always have trouble answering
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`·5· ·that question because I continue to read
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`·6· ·things which help inform me about specific
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`·7· ·issues, but there is nothing that I can
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`·8· ·recall, not listed here, that would have
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`·9· ·informed my opinions.
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`10· · · ·Q· · ·And certainly, this Exhibit B
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`11· ·includes all the documents you reviewed
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`12· ·before signing your declaration, correct?
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`13· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection.· Form.
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`14· · · ·A· · ·Would I have read all of these
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`15· ·before signing the declaration, is that
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`16· ·the question, or considered them?
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`17· · · ·Q· · ·The question is actually does --
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`18· ·is attachment B a complete and accurate
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`19· ·list of the documents you considered
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`20· ·before signing the declaration?
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`21· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection to form.
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`22· · · ·A· · ·Yes.
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`23· · · ·Q· · ·Okay.· Thank you.
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`24· · · · · · ·To the best of your knowledge,
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`25· ·is your declaration a true and correct
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`Patent Owner Ex. 2029
`Mylan v. Pozen
`IPR2017-01995
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`·1· · · · · · · · · ·Mayersohn
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`·2· ·summary of the opinions you intend to give
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`·3· ·at any hearing before the PTAB?
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`·4· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection to form.
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`·5· · · ·A· · ·Yes.
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`·6· · · ·Q· · ·Do you have any corrections to
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`·7· ·make to your declaration?
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`·8· · · ·A· · ·No.
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`·9· · · ·Q· · ·Do you have any substantive
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`10· ·changes to your declaration?
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`11· · · ·A· · ·No.
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`12· · · ·Q· · ·You make every effort to make
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`13· ·sure each and every statement in your
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`14· ·declaration is accurate, true, and
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`15· ·correct?
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`16· · · · · · ·MR. BEEL:· Objection to form.
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`17· · · ·A· · ·All of those things, yes.
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`18· · · ·Q· · ·Do you intend to submit a
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`19· ·supplemental declaration?
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`20· · · ·A· · ·I haven't been asked to.· If
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`21· ·asked by counsel, I would consider doing
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`22· ·so.
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`23· · · ·Q· · ·You have submitted expert
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`24· ·reports and declarations in other
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`25· ·proceedings besides this one before,
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