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`·1· · · · · · · IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
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`·3· _______________________________
`· · PRISUA ENGINEERING CORP.,· · · |
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`· · · · · ·Plaintiff,· · · · · · · |
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`· · -vs-· · · · · · · · · · · · · ·|Civil Action No.
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`· · SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS CO., LTD., |
`·7· SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS AMERICA,· ·|
`· · INC., and SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS |
`·8· LATINOAMERICA MIAMI, INC.,· · ·|
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`·9· · · · ·Defendants.· · · · · · ·|
`· · _______________________________|
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`11· · · · · · · ·DEPOSITION OF DR. YOLANDA PRIETO
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`·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · APPEARANCES
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`·2· On Behalf of the Plaintiff:
`· · · · Carey Rodriguez Milian Gonya, LLP
`·3· · · 1395 Brickell Avenue
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`·4· · · Miami, Florida 33131
`· · · · 305.372.7474
`·5· · · erubi@careyrodriguez.com
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`·6· · · BY: ERNESTO MIGUEL RUBI, ESQUIRE
`· · · · · · JOHN C. CAREY, ESQUIRE
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`·8· On Behalf of the Defendant:
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`·9· · · 2101 L Street, N.W.
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`10· · · Washington, D.C. 20037
`· · · · 202.331.3120
`11· · · pabisr@gtlaw.com
`· · · · BY: RONALD J. PABIS, ESQUIRE
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`16· · · · · · · · · · · INDEX OF PROCEEDINGS
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`17· Deposition of Dr. Yolanda Prieto· · · · · · · · · · · Page
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`18· Direct Examination by Mr. Pabis· · · · · · · · · · · · ·5
`· · Certificate of Oath· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·118
`19· Certificate of Reporter· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·119
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`20· Errata Sheet· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 121
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`·2· Number· · · · Description· · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·Page
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`·3· · 1· · · · · ·Declaration of Yolanda Prieto, Ph.D.,· · ·6
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`·4· · · · · · · · Corp.'s Opening Claim Construction Brief
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`·5· · 2· · · · · ·Printout of Dr. Prieto's LinkedIn page· ·11
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`·6· · 3· · · · · ·Provisional application for patent· · · ·52
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`·7· · 4· · · · · ·Patent application· · · · · · · · · · · ·56
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`·8· · 5· · · · · ·United States Patent No. 8,024,768· · · ·70
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`·9· · 6· · · · · ·United States Patent No. 8,650,591· · · ·74
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`10· · 7· · · · · ·Plaintiff's Response in Opposition to· ·107
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`13· · 9· · · · · ·"Polar Remote Sensing, Volume II, Ice· ·111
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`·1· Deposition taken before Stefanie Mensch, Florida
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`·2· Professional Reporter and Notary Public in and for the
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`·3· State of Florida at Large, in the above cause.
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`·5· · · · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Good morning.· We're now on
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`·6· · · ·the video record.· Today is Tuesday, the 17th day of
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`·7· · · ·January 2017.· The time is 9:24 a.m.
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`·8· · · · · · We are here at 1395 Brickell Avenue, Miami,
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`·9· · · ·Florida, for the purpose of taking the video
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`10· · · ·deposition of Yolanda Prieto, taken by the defendant
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`11· · · ·in Case No. 1:16-cv-21761, Prisua vs. Samsung, which
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`12· · · ·is filed in the United States District Court in and
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`13· · · ·for the Southern District of Florida.
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`14· · · · · · The court reporter is Stefanie Mensch of U.S.
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`15· · · ·Legal Support.· The videographer is Leon Beylus of
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`16· · · ·U.S. Legal Support.
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`17· · · · · · Would all counsel present kindly state their
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`18· · · ·appearance for the record.
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`19· · · · · · MR. CAREY:· John Carey for the plaintiff.
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`20· · · · · · MR. RUBI:· Ernesto Rubi for the plaintiff.
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`21· · · · · · MR. PABIS:· Ron Pabis for Samsung.
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`22· · · · · · THE COURT REPORTER:· Do you swear that the
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`23· · · ·testimony you are about to give will be the truth,
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`24· · · ·the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
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`25· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· I do.
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`·1· THEREUPON,
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`·2· · · · · · · · · · · DR. YOLANDA PRIETO,
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`·3· having been first duly sworn, was examined and testified
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`·4· as follows
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`·5· · · · · · · · · · · ·DIRECT EXAMINATION
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`·6· BY MR. PABIS:
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`·7· · · ·Q.· ·Good morning again, Doctor.
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`·8· · · ·A.· ·Good morning.
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`·9· · · ·Q.· ·Have you been deposed before?
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`10· · · ·A.· ·I haven't been.
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`11· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.· Let me just tell you a little bit about
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`12· what we're going to do today.· I'm going to be asking you
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`13· a series of questions related to the case that you filed
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`14· against Samsung.· If you don't understand a question I
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`15· ask, I'd ask you to tell me, and I'll try and reask it in
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`16· a way that's better, more understandable.
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`17· · · · · · Stefanie is going to take down everything that we
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`18· say.· So it's important that we try not to talk over each
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`19· other, make her job a little bit easier, and it's also
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`20· important that you verbalize your answers to my questions.
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`21· · · · · · Do you understand?
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`22· · · ·A.· ·Yes.
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`23· · · ·Q.· ·We'll try and break every hour or so, but if you
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`24· need a break at any time, let me know, and we'll try and
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`25· accommodate you.
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`·1· · · ·A.· ·Will do.
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`·2· · · ·Q.· ·Your attorney may object to some of my questions.
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`·3· That's generally for the record because there's no judge
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`·4· here to rule on those objections.· And the rule is if you
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`·5· understand the question, you can go ahead and answer it
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`·6· even though he's objected to the question unless he
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`·7· instructs you not to answer the question.· Okay?
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`·8· · · ·A.· ·Okay.
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`·9· · · ·Q.· ·But, again, if you don't understand the question,
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`10· please just let me know.
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`11· · · ·A.· ·Okay.
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`12· · · · · · MR. PABIS:· I'm going to mark, or I have marked,
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`13· · · ·as Exhibit 1 to the deposition a document titled
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`14· · · ·"Declaration of Yolanda Prieto, Ph.D., in Support of
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`15· · · ·Plaintiff Prisua Engineering Corp.'s Opening Claim
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`16· · · ·Construction Brief."
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`17· · · ·(Declaration of Yolanda Prieto, Ph.D., in Support of
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`18· Plaintiff Prisua Engineering Corp.'s Opening Claim
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`19· Construction Brief was marked for identification as
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`20· Defendants' Exhibit No. 1.)
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`21· BY MR. PABIS:
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`22· · · ·Q.· ·Is this a declaration that you prepared and
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`23· signed?
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`24· · · ·A.· ·It is.
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`25· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.· And do you believe it to be accurate?
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`·1· · · ·A.· ·I do.
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`·2· · · ·Q.· ·And do you have -- do you know of any mistakes,
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`·3· or are there any corrections that you want to make to your
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`·4· declaration?
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`·5· · · ·A.· ·No.
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`·6· · · ·Q.· ·Does this declaration contain all the opinions
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`·7· you intend to offer with regard to claim construction in
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`·8· this case?
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`·9· · · ·A.· ·That's correct.
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`10· · · ·Q.· ·This declaration does not contain any opinions
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`11· regarding how a person with ordinary skill in the art
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`12· would interpret any of the claims that are disputed in the
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`13· case; is that right?
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`14· · · ·A.· ·Could you restate that question?· Because it was
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`15· a negative question.
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`16· · · ·Q.· ·Sure.· This declaration, as far as I can tell,
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`17· does not have any opinions from you about how one of skill
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`18· in the art would interpret the claims of the '591 Patent.
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`19· · · ·A.· ·Yes.
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`20· · · ·Q.· ·Do you agree with that?
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`21· · · ·A.· ·Yes.
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`22· · · ·Q.· ·You're not planning on offering any opinions in
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`23· addition to what's in the declaration?
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`24· · · · · · MR. CAREY:· Objection to form.
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`25· · · ·(Clarification requested by the court reporter.)
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`·1· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· No.
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`·2· BY MR. PABIS:
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`·3· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.· Let me ask it again then.
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`·4· · · · · · You're not planning on offering any opinions
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`·5· other than those opinions that are set forth in your
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`·6· declaration; is that right?
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`·7· · · · · · MR. CAREY:· Objection to form.
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`·8· BY MR. PABIS:
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`·9· · · ·Q.· ·Do you understand the question?
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`10· · · ·A.· ·If you could repeat it?
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`11· · · ·Q.· ·Sure.· You're not planning on offering any
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`12· opinions other than those opinions that are set forth in
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`13· your declaration in support of claim construction; is that
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`15· · · · · · MR. CAREY:· Objection to form.
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`16· · · ·A.· ·I'm not sure I understand the question.
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`17· BY MR. PABIS:
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`18· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.· Is it your intention to provide any
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`19· additional opinions other than the ones that are in your
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`20· declaration?
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`21· · · ·A.· ·This particular -- the declaration to this
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`22· particular document?
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`23· · · ·Q.· ·Yes.
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`24· · · ·A.· ·Well, this particular document supports the claim
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`25· construction brief.· So I understand then that I can make
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`·1· other statements in addition to this in support of the
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`·2· claim declaration.
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`·3· · · ·Q.· ·When?
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`·4· · · ·A.· ·Today.
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`·5· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.· Other than what --
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`·6· · · ·A.· ·Maybe I'm -- maybe I'm not understanding your
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`·8· · · ·Q.· ·Sure.· All right.· Then let me just try it again.
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`·9· · · · · · You've submitted this declaration in support --
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`10· · · ·A.· ·In support, yes.
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`11· · · ·Q.· ·-- of your claim construction.
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`12· · · ·A.· ·Yes.
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`13· · · ·Q.· ·And I think you answered my earlier question, was
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`16· · · ·A.· ·Yes.· That's correct.
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`17· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.· That's fine.
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`18· · · · · · What did you do to prepare for the deposition
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`19· today?
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`20· · · ·A.· ·I met with my attorneys yesterday.
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`21· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.· For how long?
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`22· · · ·A.· ·A few hours.· I think two or three hours.
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`23· · · ·Q.· ·Did you review any documents?
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`24· · · ·A.· ·We reviewed some documents, yes.
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`25· · · ·Q.· ·Did any of those documents refresh your
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`·1· recollection with regard to the issues that we're going to
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`·2· be discussing today?
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`·3· · · ·A.· ·Yes.
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`·4· · · ·Q.· ·Which documents refreshed your recollection?
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`·5· · · ·A.· ·The documents that refreshed my recollection?
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`·6· There were several documents.· So I'm not really sure
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`·7· which document, but there were some documents that were
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`·8· reviewed that -- in regards to refreshing my
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`·9· recollection -- maybe not refreshing, but, you know, just
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`10· making sure that -- that accentuated my -- confirmed my
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`12· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.· What were those?· What documents were
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`13· those?
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`14· · · ·A.· ·I really -- I really -- if you can show me some
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`15· of the documents, perhaps I can -- I can review what
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`16· exactly what I'm talking about regarding refreshing my
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`17· recollection.
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`18· · · ·Q.· ·Sure.· Do you remember --
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`19· · · ·A.· ·I mean, when you read something, you always
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`20· refresh your recollection.
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`21· · · ·Q.· ·Sure.
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`22· · · ·A.· ·So the question is a little bit vague.
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`23· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.
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`24· · · ·A.· ·To my understanding.
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`25· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.· Can you list for me any of the documents
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`·2· · · ·A.· ·I can't.· I can't.
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`·3· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.
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`·4· · · ·(A printout of Dr. Prieto's LinkedIn page was marked
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`·5· for identification as Defendants' Exhibit No. 2.)
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`·6· BY MR. PABIS:
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`·7· · · ·Q.· ·Let me show you what I've marked as Exhibit 2 to
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`·8· your deposition.· Do you recognize Exhibit 2 or the
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`·9· information in Exhibit 2?
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`10· · · ·A.· ·This is your LinkedIn?· This is a LinkedIn
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`11· document; right?
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`12· · · ·Q.· ·Yes.· Yes.
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`13· · · · · · Is this -- does this LinkedIn document accurately
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`14· set forth your experience?
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`15· · · ·A.· ·This document is a very brief document that does
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`16· not really reflect my experience, no.
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`17· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.· Can you look at the timing of the entries
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`18· under your experience and just let me know if those are
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`19· accurate, please?
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`20· · · ·A.· ·Not entirely accurate, no.
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`21· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.· Which --
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`22· · · ·A.· ·Technology consultant for Buchenhorner
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`23· Intellectual Property.· A year and two months may not -- I
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`24· don't recall it being that length of time.
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`25· · · ·Q.· ·And what's your best recollection of how long you
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`·1· were with -- is it Buchenhorner?
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`·2· · · ·A.· ·Yeah.
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`·3· · · ·Q.· ·How long were you there?
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`·4· · · ·A.· ·I really don't remember.· That was right after I
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`·5· got out of Freescale.· I took some time off.· According to
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`·6· this, I was in Freescale until November 2009, and that's
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`·7· fairly accurate.· So this May 2009 is not accurate.
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`·8· · · ·Q.· ·When do you think you started with Buchenhorner?
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`·9· · · ·A.· ·I really don't remember.
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`10· · · ·Q.· ·Do you think you were there longer than a year
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`11· and two months?
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`12· · · ·A.· ·Oh, no.· Certainly not.
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`13· · · ·Q.· ·You filed the provisional application that
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`14· matured into the '591 Patent in 2010; right?· Do you
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`16· · · ·A.· ·I believe that's correct, yes.
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`17· · · ·Q.· ·Were you at the Buchenhorner intellectual
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`18· property law firm at the time you filed the provisional
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`20· · · ·A.· ·I don't think I was, no.
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`21· · · ·Q.· ·Were you at Intellectual Ventures at the time you
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`23· · · ·A.· ·I was not.
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`24· · · ·Q.· ·Were you employed at all at the time you filed
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`·1· · · ·A.· ·I was not.
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`·2· · · ·Q.· ·Did you take time off in between the
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`·4· your work at Intellectual Ventures?
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`·5· · · ·A.· ·I took time off, certainly.· I took time off
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`·6· before and I took time off after, but I don't recall.· My
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`·7· work with -- technology consultant at Buchenhorner was a
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`·8· very short span.· I would say a few months.· But I
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`·9· remember taking time off after Freescale and certainly
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`10· before Intellectual Ventures.
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`11· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.· Are you not sure how long?
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`12· · · ·A.· ·I don't remember.
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`13· · · ·Q.· ·Do you have any documentation that would show how
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`14· long you were at the Buchenhorner firm?
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`15· · · ·A.· ·I don't.
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`16· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.· You have a B.S. in electronic --
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`17· electrical engineering from UM; right?
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`18· · · ·A.· ·Yes.· That's correct.
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`19· · · ·Q.· ·And you have a master's in electrical engineering
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`21· · · ·A.· ·Yes.
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`22· · · ·Q.· ·And then you got your Ph.D. in signal processing?
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`23· · · ·A.· ·Yes.
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`24· · · ·Q.· ·Also from University of Miami?
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`25· · · ·A.· ·Yes.
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`·1· · · ·Q.· ·During that time, did you take courses on video
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`·2· processing?
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`·3· · · ·A.· ·Which time?
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`·4· · · ·Q.· ·Any of that time.
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`·5· · · ·A.· ·Yes.
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`·6· · · ·Q.· ·In which -- which time frame?
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`·7· · · ·A.· ·That was a while back.
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`·8· · · ·Q.· ·Was it in your undergraduate studies or your
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`10· · · ·A.· ·It was in my graduate studies.
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`11· · · ·Q.· ·And when you took your Ph.D., or when you got
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`12· your Ph.D., were you taking courses as well?
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`13· · · ·A.· ·Yes.· You have to take courses as part of the
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`15· · · ·Q.· ·And did any of those courses deal with video
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`17· · · ·A.· ·Yes.
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`18· · · ·Q.· ·Did any of those courses teach spatial matching?
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`19· · · ·A.· ·Yes.
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`20· · · ·Q.· ·Can you recall which ones?
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`21· · · ·A.· ·Spatial matching is known in the art.· You read
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`22· it in literature.· You read it in books.· So there are
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`23· various areas that cover spatial matching.
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`24· · · ·Q.· ·And what do you mean when you say it's not in the
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`·2· · · · · · MR. CAREY:· Excuse me.· Objection to form.
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`·3· · · ·Mischaracterizes her testimony.· She said it was in
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`·4· · · ·the art.
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`·5· · · ·A.· ·It is in the art.
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`·7· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.· We both heard that wrong.
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`·8· · · ·A.· ·It must be my accent.· That's why I said it's in
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`·9· several books.
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`10· · · · · · MR. CAREY:· She said it's known in the art, and
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`11· · · ·you heard it's not in the art.
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`12· · · · · · MR. PABIS:· Yeah.· We both -- we both heard --
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`13· · · ·yeah, that's fine.· That's fine.
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`14· · · ·A.· ·Well, it was reaffirmed by the fact that it's in
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`15· books and it's in literature.
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`16· BY MR. PABIS:
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`17· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.· Is -- at the -- well, we'll get back to
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`18· that.
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`19· · · · · · Do you recall what --
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`21· · · ·feed here?· Can we see that as well?
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`22· · · · · · MR. RUBI:· Can we go off the record for a second?
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`23· · · · · · THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Going off the video record at
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`25· · · · (A break was taken from 9:39 a.m. to 9:41 a.m.)
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`·4· · · ·Q.· ·All right.· So we were talking about your
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`·5· education and spatial matching, and I think you said that
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`·6· there were not -- you said there are various areas that
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`·7· cover spatial matching.· What did you mean by that?
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`·8· · · ·A.· ·Well, spatial matching is used in various areas.
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`·9· For example, it's used in image classification, in image
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`10· matching.· It's used in image registration and others.
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`11· And there are various methods to implement spatial
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`12· matching, and just like there are various metrics.
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`13· · · ·Q.· ·And what do you mean by "image classification"?
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`14· · · ·A.· ·Image classification is the process of
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`15· classifying an image in which you can detect a specific
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`16· object of that image and classify.· I'll give you an
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`17· example.· If you have a set of images in your -- in a
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`18· folder, and you want to classify it by date or by place or
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`19· where you took those pictures, that's a way of classifying
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`20· an image.
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`21· · · ·Q.· ·And then what do you mean by "image matching"?
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`22· · · ·A.· ·Image matching is used a lot in areas of remote
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`23· sensing, for example.· And what you do is you are trying
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`24· to align pixels so that you can match one image to another
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`25· image so you can detect certain areas where they may be
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`·2· · · ·Q.· ·Does that include feature matching?
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`·3· · · ·A.· ·Feature matching is a method.· There are
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`·4· different areas where you use it.· Feature matching is a
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`·5· method of performing spatial matching.· There are various
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`·6· methods.· You can do it at pixel level.· You can do it at
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`·7· area level.· You can do it at feature level.· You can do
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`·8· it at transform analysis level.· There are various -- it's
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`·9· a way of performing spatial matching in a particular area,
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`10· and there are various methods.
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`11· · · ·Q.· ·And can feature matching be both pixel level and
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`13· · · ·A.· ·Well, you can do combinations.· You can do
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`14· combinations, but feature level is where you are detecting
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`15· features, special features, a face feature or certain
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`16· features of an image, and then you do a metric analysis to
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`17· be able to either classify that image or register that
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`18· image.
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`19· · · ·Q.· ·And what is transform analysis?
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`20· · · ·A.· ·Transform analysis, when you may have some
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`21· mapping function.· There's a mapping function.· You have a
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`22· certain image, and you're trying to map a certain area; so
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`23· you come up with matching functions that transform from
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`25· · · ·Q.· ·And are those all different ways of performing
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`·2· · · ·A.· ·That's correct.· There are others.
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`·3· · · ·Q.· ·What others?
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`·4· · · ·A.· ·Well, others that they -- I cannot think of them
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`·5· right now, but there are -- I've given you the ones that
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`·6· are most typical.
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`·7· · · ·Q.· ·Can you name any others?
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`·8· · · ·A.· ·No.
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`·9· · · ·Q.· ·Do you recall the courses that you took where you
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`10· studied these different forms of spatial matching?
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`11· · · ·A.· ·No.· I've -- the specific course, no, but I've
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`12· read quite a lot.· It's an area that's well known in the
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`14· · · ·Q.· ·What's coregistration?
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`15· · · ·A.· ·Coregistration?
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`16· · · ·Q.· ·Yes.
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`17· · · ·A.· ·You mean image coregistration?
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`18· · · ·Q.· ·Yes.
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`19· · · ·A.· ·I think I've explained that before, where you
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`20· actually take a part of an image, and you're trying to
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`21· identify certain features or areas to be able to -- to
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`22· match that to another known image.
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`23· · · ·Q.· ·Is it --
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`24· · · ·A.· ·Or template.
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`25· · · ·Q.· ·Is it your understanding that coregistration is
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`·1· synonymous with spatial matching?
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`·2· · · ·A.· ·When you say "synonymous," what do you mean?
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`·3· · · ·Q.· ·They're the same.· Or are they different?
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`·4· · · ·A.· ·Well, it's a way -- spatial matching is used in
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`·5· image -- can be used in image coregistration.
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`·6· · · ·Q.· ·Is spatial matching always used in image
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`·7· coregistration?
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`·8· · · ·A.· ·If you do it in the spatial domain, yes.
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`·9· · · ·Q.· ·In the course of your work in this case, have you
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`10· looked for any definitions of "spatial matching"?
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`11· · · ·A.· ·In the course -- could you -- in the course of my
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`13· · · ·Q.· ·Just let's talk about this case.· In the course
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`14· of your work on this case, have you looked for any
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`15· definitions of "spatial matching"?
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`16· · · ·A.· ·Spatial -- spatial matching is -- as used in my
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`17· patent is understood by me, and that's the best way I can
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`18· answer it.· And it's understood by people skilled in the
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`20· · · ·Q.· ·In your work at Motorola -- let me just back up
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`21· to your background here.· You were at Motorola from '76 to
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`22· '93; right?· And if you need to refer to your
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`23· declaration --
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`24· · · ·A.· ·Well, I was in -- I was in Motorola from '76
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`25· till -- I didn't -- when I took my Ph.D. --
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`·2· · · ·A.· ·-- I was on -- I was employed by Motorola.
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`·3· · · ·Q.· ·Yes.
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`·4· · · ·A.· ·I was rewarded financially by Motorola.
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`·5· · · ·Q.· ·Yes.
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`·6· · · ·A.· ·Even though I was in my Ph.D.· But I was still a
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`·7· Motorola employee.
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`·8· · · ·Q.· ·Yes.
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`·9· · · ·A.· ·So I did not leave Motorola in 1993.
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`10· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.· When did you leave Motorola?
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`11· · · ·A.· ·When I went to Freescale.
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`12· · · ·Q.· ·Right.
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`13· · · ·A.· ·Which was in 2004.
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`14· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.
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`15· · · ·A.· ·2000 -- yeah, 2004, 2005 time frame.· I don't
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`17· · · ·Q.· ·That's fine.
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`18· · · ·A.· ·-- whether it was the end of 2004, beginning of
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`19· 2005.· I don't remember.
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`20· · · ·Q.· ·That's fine.
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`21· · · · · · And did you work on image processing while you
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`22· were at Motorola?
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`23· · · ·A.· ·Yes, I did.
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`24· · · ·Q.· ·What types of image processing did you work on
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`25· when you were at Motorola?
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`·2· solution that went from capture to display, and that
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`·3· involved preprocessing, codec processing, and
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`·4· postprocessing.
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`·5· · · ·Q.· ·Is that the image transfer prototype that's
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`·6· referenced in your --
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`·7· · · ·A.· ·Yes.· Yes.
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`·8· · · ·Q.· ·Could you describe that image transfer prototype
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`·9· for me, please?
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`10· · · ·A.· ·It was a -- it was applied to a two-way unit.· It
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`11· involved a camera; so it involved image capturing.· It
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`12· involved preprocessing, all the processing that you do
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`13· from when you capture the image from the sensor to getting
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`14· it ready to the compression.· So that involves color
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`15· conversion.· It involves the various steps that you do in
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`16· preprocessing to get it ready.
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`17· · · · · · It involved a JPEG 2000 codec that was
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`18· implemented on a processor.· It involved postprocessing to
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`19· get the image ready to be able to display it to the unit.
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`20· And it involved a digital display, which was very
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`21· important back then.· So it was really a first total
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`22· digital solution offered from Motorola.
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`23· · · ·Q.· ·And when you say that, do you mean a transfer
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`25· by "total solution"?
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`·2· able to transmit the unit wirelessly.· So you had to be
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`·3· able to encode and you had to be able to decode.
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`·4· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.
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`·5· · · ·A.· ·To be able to display the image.
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`·6· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.· And what was your role in that?
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`·7· · · ·A.· ·I was a technical lead.
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`·8· · · ·Q.· ·And in your declaration, when you mention pre-
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`·9· and postprocessing, that's a reference to precompression
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`10· and post-compression; is that right?
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`11· · · ·A.· ·What do you mean by "precompression and
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`12· post-compression"?
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`13· · · ·Q.· ·Well, let me just ask you then.· When --- look at
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`14· paragraph 12, for instance, of your declaration.· You use
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`15· the phrase "pre- and postprocessing."
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`16· · · · · · Do you see that?
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`17· · · ·A.· ·In paragraph 12?
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`18· · · ·Q.· ·Yes.· When you're talking about the system on
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`20· · · ·A.· ·Yes, that is -- that is correct.· It is known in
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`21· the art that preprocessing has to do with image signal
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`22· processing, when you capture the image.
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`23· · · ·Q.· ·Yes.
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`24· · · ·A.· ·And postprocessing is when you're getting it
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`·2· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· For display.
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`·4· · · ·Q.· ·Does "pre- and post-" -- is that a reference at
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`·5· all to pre- and post-compression?
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`·6· · · ·A.· ·Compression is a separate block.· Compression
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`·7· deals with the image data.
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`·8· · · ·Q.· ·Right.· And compression is generally after
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`·9· preprocessing and before postprocessing; is that right?
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`11· · · ·Q.· ·In paragraph 11, you mentioned development using
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`12· JPEG.· What is your understanding of what JPEG is, please?
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`13· · · ·A.· ·Well, JPEG is a still image compression, codec,
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`14· that is -- that is based on DCT, discrete cosine
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`15· transformation.· And it's a still image codec.
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`16· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.· And what about JPEG 2000?· What is that?
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`17· · · ·A.· ·JPEG 2000 is also a still image codec, and the
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`18· difference with JPEG is that it's based on wavelengths.
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`19· And the actual coding, it's an entropy coder.
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`21· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· It's an entropy coder.
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`22· · · ·A.· ·So it's -- you're able -- you're able to do more
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`23· compression than JPEG at the cost of more complexity.
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`25· · · ·Q.· ·And do you know what motion JPEG is?
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`·2· · · ·Q.· ·And what is motion JPEG?
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`·3· · · ·A.· ·Motion JPEG is when you take the still image, the
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`·4· intraframes, and you apply a sequence to those
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`·5· intraframes.
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`·6· · · ·Q.· ·Is it also compression?
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`·7· · · ·A.· ·Yes.· It has JPEG in there.
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`·8· · · ·Q.· ·Do you know what PNG is, or "ping"?
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`·9· · · ·A.· ·Yes.· It's another type of compression, yes.
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`10· It's not developed by the -- by the MPEG codec standard,
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`11· but it's a form of compression.· It's not really used, or
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`12· we typically don't use it for wireless transmission.
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`13· · · ·Q.· ·Still image compression?
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`14· · · ·A.· ·It is still image compression.
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`15· · · ·Q.· ·In paragraph 13, you referenced MPEG.· What is
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`16· MPEG?
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`17· · · ·A.· ·Well, MPEG, as it refers to here, I'm referring
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`18· to the actual standards group that develops codecs that
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`19· deal with motion.
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`20· · · ·Q.· ·And MPEG is the Motion Pictures Expert Group; is
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`21· that right?
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`22· · · ·A.· ·It's -- well, we refer to JVT as the experts
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`23· group, and MPEG is the motion standards.
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`24· · · ·Q.· ·Do you know what "MPEG" stands for?
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`·2· better not dare.
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`·3· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.
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`·4· · · ·A.· ·But it deals with motion.
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`·5· · · ·Q.· ·All right.· And what is the JVT experts'
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`·6· standards?
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`·7· · · ·A.· ·Well, the JVT experts' standards, that's where
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`·8· the H.264 codec was developed.· That's where the scaleable
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`·9· video codec was developed.· That's where a high-efficiency
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`10· codec was developed, HEVC, and that's where MVC was
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`11· developed, motion -- multiview video coding was developed.
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`12· · · ·Q.· ·And what is your understanding of -- and you
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`14· · · ·A.· ·I specifically participated in H.264, and I
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`16· · · ·Q.· ·And what's H.
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