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` UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
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` BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`FLIR SYSTEMS, INC. and : Case No.
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`FLIR MARITIME US, INC. : IPR2017-00946
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`(f/k/a RAYMARINE, INC.), : Patent 7,268,703 B1
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` Petitioner, :
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`GARMIN SWITZERLAND GmbH, :
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` Video Conference Deposition of MICHAEL S.
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`APPEARANCES:
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`On behalf of the Petitioner
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` FLIR Systems, Inc. and FLIR Maritime US, Inc.
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` (f/k/a Raymarine, Inc.):
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` BRIAN FERGUSON, ESQ.
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` STEPHEN BOSCO, ESQ.
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` Weil, Gotshal & Manges, LLP
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` 1300 Eye Street, N.W., Suite 900
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` Washington, D.C. 20005
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` (202) 682-7000
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` brian.ferguson@weil.com
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`On behalf of the Patent Owner
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` Garmin Switzerland GmbH: (Via Videoconference)
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` JENNIFER C. BAILEY, ESQ.
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` ADAM SEITZ, ESQ.
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` ERISE IP, P.A.
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` 7015 College Boulevard, Suite 700
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` Overland Park, Kansas 66211
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` Jennifer.Bailey@EriseIP.com
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` SAMUEL KORTE, ESQ., Garmin Switzerland, GmbH
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` I N D E X
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`WITNESS: Michael S. Braasch, Ph.D.
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`EXAMINATION PAGE
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` By Ms. Bailey: 4, 84
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` By Mr. Ferguson: 78
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`EXHIBIT NO. DESCRIPTION PAGE
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`Exhibit 15 Motion to Amend 25
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`Exhibit 1001 United States Patent No. 7,268,703 B1 34
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`Exhibit 1003 Declaration of Dr. Michael S. Braasch 31
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`Exhibit 1005 Automated Route Planning, Wichert J.
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` de Jong, LTZ3 6
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` L. Tetley and D. Calcutt 6
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`Exhibit 1025 Second Declaration of Dr. Michael S.
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` P R O C E E D I N G S
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` Whereupon,
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` MICHAEL S. BRAASCH, Ph.D.,
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` EXAMINATION BY COUNSEL FOR PATENT OWNER
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`BY MS. BAILEY:
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` Q. Good morning, Dr. Braasch. Thank you
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` A. Good morning.
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` Q. We are appearing via video once again.
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` Q. So I'm going to go ahead and jump right
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` A. That's correct.
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` MS. BAILEY: Okay. And, Ms. Crump, I'm going
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` THE WITNESS: Okay. I have them before me.
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` MS. BAILEY: All right. Could you, please,
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` THE WITNESS: Yes. It seems to all be here.
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`BY MS. BAILEY:
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` Q. And that is your signature on the last
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` MS. BAILEY: Let's go ahead, since we're in
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` Q. Dr. Braasch, do you have de Jong Exhibit
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` THE WITNESS: Yes. 1005 appears to be
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` MS. BAILEY: Thank you.
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` MS. BAILEY: Thank you.
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` THE WITNESS: You mean six?
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` Q. So, Dr. Braasch, is it your opinion that
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`Exhibit 1005 and the last page, which is 132.
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` THE WITNESS: Okay. I'm at de Jong page 132.
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`BY MS. BAILEY:
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` Q. And you see Test Case 3_1 there?
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` Q. Thank you for those. I still want to go
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` A. In this example, yes, that is correct.
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` Q. So the NavMaster has software that can
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` Q. So let's look at what Tetley discusses
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` A. I'm at page 128 of Tetley.
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` Q. Okay. Do you see the section entitled
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` A. Yes, I do.
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` A. "Passage Plans. Having created the
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`course to steer", and it goes on to say other things.
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`the vessel passes. It talks about monitoring the
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`the section that was just described, a person of
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`ordinary skill reading this would understand that the
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`bullets that are listed under having created a route,
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`etc., that those bullets would be things that the
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` Q. Why?
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` Q. It says the user can enter this
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`How do you explain that?
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` And you mentioned the NavMaster. So how would
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` A. Well, the NavMaster was just one example
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`Figure 7.17?
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` Q. And the circles, I believe you said
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` A. That's correct.
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` Q. So is it common to show a route by
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` THE WITNESS: Well, I don't know the legal
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`order to attempt to adhere to the desired path.
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` Q. So is the route the waypoints with
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` Q. Sure. How is the path determined for
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`It's part of the route.
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` Q. Okay. How do you determine how to
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`traverse that leg between waypoints?
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` A. As I have just testified, in the example
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`of the NavMaster, it calculates a course to steer for
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`Tetley, there are other systems that provide for
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