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`·2· · · · · UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
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`·3· · · · · BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`· · · · ·LENOVO (UNITED STATES), INC.· )
`·8· · · ·and EMC CORPORATION· · · · · ·)
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`·3· · · ·EXAMINATION OF PRASHANT SHENOY, PH.D.· · · PAGE
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`·8· · · ·Exhibit 1020· · ·Petitioners Notice of· · ·7
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`· · · · ·Exhibit 1005· · ·U.S. Patent 7,707,263
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`·6· · · · · State Street Financial Center
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`14· · · · · STERNE KESSLER GOLDSTEIN FOX
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`15· · · · · LESTIN KENTON, Esq.
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`·1· · · · · · · · · P R O C E E D I N G S
`·2· · · ·PRASHANT SHENOY, PH.D.,
`·3· · · ·was called for examination by counsel and,
`·4· · · ·after having been duly sworn by the Notary, was
`·5· · · ·examined and testified as follows:
`·6· · · · · · EXAMINATION BY COUNSEL FOR PETITIONER
`·7· · · · · · · · ·BY MR. CENTURELLI:
`·8· · · · · ·Q.· · Good morning, Dr. Shenoy.
`·9· · · · · ·A.· · Good morning.
`10· · · · · ·Q.· · How are you doing this morning?
`11· · · · · ·A.· · I'm very good.· Thank you.
`12· · · · · ·Q.· · Good.
`13· · · · · · · · ·You've been deposed before?
`14· · · · · ·A.· · I have, yes.
`15· · · · · ·Q.· · So you understand the ground rules?
`16· · · · · ·A.· · I do, yes.
`17· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· So I'm going to ask you
`18· · · ·questions?
`19· · · · · ·A.· · Okay.
`20· · · · · ·Q.· · And you're going to provide truthful
`21· · · ·answers?
`22· · · · · ·A.· · That's correct.
`23· · · · · ·Q.· · If I ask any question you have
`24· · · ·trouble understanding it, please let me know
`25· · · ·and I'll do my best --
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`·1· · · · · ·A.· · Yes.
`·2· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And you were hired by
`·3· · · ·Intellectual Ventures to represent its
`·4· · · ·interests in this IPR?
`·5· · · · · ·A.· · That is correct, yes.
`·6· · · · · ·Q.· · And if I refer to the -- the patent
`·7· · · ·8,387,132 as the '132 patent in the proceedings
`·8· · · ·today, you'll understand that to be the '132
`·9· · · ·patent?
`10· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, I will.
`11· · · · · ·Q.· · When were you hired by Intellectual
`12· · · ·Ventures to represent it in connection with the
`13· · · ·'132 patent?
`14· · · · · · · · ·MR. KENTON:· Objection to form.
`15· · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· So I was never
`16· · · ·contacted directly by Intellectual Ventures.
`17· · · ·The attorneys contacted me to represent myself
`18· · · ·as an expert in this matter.· I don't recall
`19· · · ·the exact date, but it would have been either
`20· · · ·late summer or early fall, right in that time
`21· · · ·frame.
`22· · · · · · · · ·BY MR. CENTURELLI:
`23· · · · · ·Q.· · And do you know what year?
`24· · · · · ·A.· · 2017.
`25· · · · · ·Q.· · 2017?
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`·1· · · · · ·A.· · Very good.
`·2· · · · · ·Q.· · -- to try to explain it.
`·3· · · · · ·A.· · Sure.
`·4· · · · · ·Q.· · Is that fair?
`·5· · · · · ·A.· · Yes.
`·6· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Is there any reason why you
`·7· · · ·can't provide truthful testimony today?
`·8· · · · · ·A.· · No.
`·9· · · · · · · · ·MR. CENTURELLI:· This is
`10· · · ·Petitioner's Exhibit 1020.
`11· · · · · · · · ·(Deposition Exhibit No. 1020 was
`12· · · ·marked for identification.)
`13· · · · · · · · ·BY MR. CENTURELLI:
`14· · · · · ·Q.· · Dr. Shenoy, the court reporter
`15· · · ·handed you what's been marked Exhibit 1020?
`16· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, that's correct.
`17· · · · · ·Q.· · Do you recognize it?
`18· · · · · ·A.· · Yes.
`19· · · · · ·Q.· · It's the deposition notice for your
`20· · · ·testimony here today?
`21· · · · · ·A.· · Yes.
`22· · · · · ·Q.· · And it concerns IPR 2017-00477?
`23· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, correct.
`24· · · · · ·Q.· · And that's the IPR with respect to
`25· · · ·U.S. Patent No. 8,387,132?
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`·1· · · · · ·A.· · That's correct, yes.
`·2· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· The court reporter is about
`·3· · · ·to hand you what's previously marked as Exhibit
`·4· · · ·1001 in this matter.
`·5· · · · · · · · ·Do you recognize Exhibit 1001?
`·6· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, this is the '132 patent.
`·7· · · · · ·Q.· · And when did you first -- when do
`·8· · · ·you first recall seeing the '132 patent?
`·9· · · · · ·A.· · Sorry.· I don't recall the exact
`10· · · ·date, but it was provided to me after I was
`11· · · ·hired by the attorneys to represent myself as
`12· · · ·an expert in this proceeding.
`13· · · · · ·Q.· · So the first time you recall seeing
`14· · · ·the '132 patent was some time after the summer
`15· · · ·or early fall of 2017?
`16· · · · · · · · ·MR. KENTON:· Objection to form.
`17· · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· So I was provided a
`18· · · ·copy after I was hired which would have mean
`19· · · ·after July or August of 2017.
`20· · · · · · · · ·BY MR. CENTURELLI:
`21· · · · · ·Q.· · And you had not read the '132 patent
`22· · · ·before your engagement in this case?
`23· · · · · ·A.· · No, I had not.
`24· · · · · ·Q.· · So the first time you saw this
`25· · · ·patent was in connection with your work on this
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`·2· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, that's correct.
`·3· · · · · ·Q.· · And that was some time after the --
`·4· · · ·some time after the summer or fall of 2017?
`·5· · · · · ·A.· · Somewhere around that time, yes.
`·6· · · · · ·Q.· · Do you know who Rateze Remote
`·7· · · ·Management LLC is?
`·8· · · · · · · · ·MR. KENTON:· Objection.· Relevance.
`·9· · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I don't know who they
`10· · · ·are.· I see their name on the patent as the
`11· · · ·assignee.· Beyond that, I have no knowledge of
`12· · · ·who Rateze Remote Management is.
`13· · · · · · · · ·BY MR. CENTURELLI:
`14· · · · · ·Q.· · You -- you've never heard of Rateze
`15· · · ·Remote Management LLC except in conjunction
`16· · · ·with your work on this case?
`17· · · · · · · · ·MR. KENTON:· Same objection.
`18· · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· That's correct.· I've
`19· · · ·never heard of them other than seeing their
`20· · · ·name appear on this patent.
`21· · · · · · · · ·BY MR. CENTURELLI:
`22· · · · · ·Q.· · Are you aware of any products that
`23· · · ·they make?
`24· · · · · · · · ·MR. KENTON:· Objection.· Relevance.
`25· · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Since I have not heard
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`·1· · · ·Adams, no, the individual listed here.
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`·3· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And you don't know Nicholas
`·4· · · ·Witchey?
`·5· · · · · · · · ·MR. KENTON:· Objection.· Relevance.
`·6· · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· No, I don't.
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`·8· · · · · ·Q.· · You're a professor at the University
`·9· · · ·Of Massachusetts in Amherst?
`10· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, that's correct.
`11· · · · · ·Q.· · And you hold a Ph.D. in computer
`12· · · ·science from the University of Texas?
`13· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, that's correct.
`14· · · · · ·Q.· · And you received that degree in
`15· · · ·about 1998?
`16· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, that's correct.
`17· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And prior to that, you had a
`18· · · ·Master's Degree in computer science from the
`19· · · ·University of Texas?
`20· · · · · ·A.· · That's correct, yes.
`21· · · · · ·Q.· · And then an undergraduate degree,
`22· · · ·Bachelor's Of Technology, from the Indian
`23· · · ·Institute Of Technology in Bombay and that was
`24· · · ·also computer science?
`25· · · · · ·A.· · That's correct, computer science and
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`·2· · · ·patent, I don't know anything about them.
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`·4· · · · · ·Q.· · The inventors listed on the '132
`·5· · · ·patent, a Mr. Charles Frank, have you ever
`·6· · · ·heard of him?
`·7· · · · · · · · ·MR. KENTON:· Objection.· Relevance.
`·8· · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Other than seeing them
`·9· · · ·as inventors on this patent, I do not know Mr.
`10· · · ·Charles Frank or any of the other individuals
`11· · · ·here.
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`13· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· So you don't know Mr. Thomas
`14· · · ·Ludwig?
`15· · · · · · · · ·MR. KENTON:· Same objection.
`16· · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· No, I don't.
`17· · · · · · · · ·BY MR. CENTURELLI:
`18· · · · · ·Q.· · You don't know Mr. William Babbitt?
`19· · · · · · · · ·MR. KENTON:· Same objection.
`20· · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· No, I have not heard
`21· · · ·of him or know him.
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`23· · · · · ·Q.· · You don't know Mark Adams?
`24· · · · · · · · ·MR. KENTON:· Same objection.
`25· · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I do not know Mark
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`·1· · · ·engineering, yes.
`·2· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And you got your Bachelor's
`·3· · · ·Degree in about 1993?
`·4· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, that's correct.
`·5· · · · · ·Q.· · And your Master's Degree in 1994?
`·6· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, that's correct.
`·7· · · · · ·Q.· · I'm going to hand you what's
`·8· · · ·previously been marked IV 2002, which is an
`·9· · · ·exhibit in this IPR.
`10· · · · · · · · ·Do you recognize Exhibit 2002?
`11· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, it's a copy of my CV.
`12· · · · · ·Q.· · And can you just take a minute to
`13· · · ·look through it and make sure it's a -- a true
`14· · · ·and accurate copy of your CV.
`15· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, it is.
`16· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And your CV, it lists your
`17· · · ·work experience?
`18· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, that's correct.
`19· · · · · ·Q.· · Which if I could summarize is
`20· · · ·essentially as a professor or assistant
`21· · · ·professor at the various institutions listed,
`22· · · ·which is, essentially, since 1998 at the
`23· · · ·University of Massachusetts?
`24· · · · · · · · ·MR. KENTON:· Objection.· Form.
`25· · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· So I have been on the
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`·1· · · ·faculty at UMASS since 1998.· That's listed in
`·2· · · ·my work experience in addition to several of
`·3· · · ·the positions I have had.
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`·5· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· As a faculty member at the
`·6· · · ·University of Massachusetts, do you teach
`·7· · · ·classes there?
`·8· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, I do.
`·9· · · · · ·Q.· · What classes have you taught?
`10· · · · · ·A.· · Over a 20-year period since I have
`11· · · ·been there, I've taught a number of
`12· · · ·undergraduate and graduate courses.· They
`13· · · ·happen to be in the areas of operating systems,
`14· · · ·net -- computer networking, distributor systems
`15· · · ·and other areas.
`16· · · · · ·Q.· · Do you consider yourself an expert
`17· · · ·in those areas?
`18· · · · · ·A.· · Those areas represent my research
`19· · · ·interests.· I've worked in those areas for
`20· · · ·many, many years, so I would consider myself to
`21· · · ·be knowledgeable in those areas.
`22· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And would you consider
`23· · · ·yourself to be a person of skill in the art
`24· · · ·with respect to the '132 patent in those areas?
`25· · · · · · · · ·MR. KENTON:· Objection to form.
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`·1· · · · · ·Q.· · And they pay you for -- or their
`·2· · · ·clients pay you for your testimony?
`·3· · · · · ·A.· · They pay me based on the time I have
`·4· · · ·put into the matter.
`·5· · · · · ·Q.· · They pay you like a -- like an
`·6· · · ·hourly rate?
`·7· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, they pay me an hourly rate.
`·8· · · · · ·Q.· · How much do they pay per hour?
`·9· · · · · ·A.· · It's $350 an hour.
`10· · · · · ·Q.· · And has that $350 an hour rate been
`11· · · ·consistent throughout your engagement with
`12· · · ·Sterne Kessler?
`13· · · · · · · · ·MR. KENTON:· Objection.· Relevance.
`14· · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Well, early on, my
`15· · · ·rate used to be $300 an hour.· That's when I
`16· · · ·started doing some work in IP or other IP
`17· · · ·matters.· My current rate is $350 an hour,
`18· · · ·which is what I charge any firm that approaches
`19· · · ·me and wants me to work as an expert witness.
`20· · · · · · · · ·BY MR. CENTURELLI:
`21· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And about how much time have
`22· · · ·you spent on this project?· And when I say
`23· · · ·"this project," I mean your review and opinion
`24· · · ·work with respect to the '132 patent.
`25· · · · · ·A.· · I don't recall an exact count, but I
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`·1· · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· So I have been working
`·2· · · ·in this area for a number of years well before
`·3· · · ·the '132 patent's filing date, so I am
`·4· · · ·certainly very familiar with the art as it
`·5· · · ·existed around that time.· So I would consider
`·6· · · ·myself to be at least someone who was a person
`·7· · · ·of ordinary skill in the art, but I would also
`·8· · · ·believe that I have knowledge that go beyond
`·9· · · ·the qualifications for a POSA that I set forth
`10· · · ·in my declaration.
`11· · · · · · · · ·BY MR. CENTURELLI:
`12· · · · · ·Q.· · In addition to your work experience,
`13· · · ·your CV identifies your expert witness
`14· · · ·experience?
`15· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, that is correct.
`16· · · · · ·Q.· · And it appears that you've testified
`17· · · ·as an expert witness in at least a dozen or so
`18· · · ·matters?
`19· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, that is correct.
`20· · · · · ·Q.· · How many times have you worked with
`21· · · ·Sterne Kessler as an expert witness?
`22· · · · · · · · ·MR. KENTON:· Objection.· Relevance.
`23· · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I would say ten times
`24· · · ·or so.
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`·2· · · · · ·Q.· · And -- and is it fair to say that
`·3· · · ·around a hundred hours involved reviewing the
`·4· · · ·'132 patent and the other materials that have
`·5· · · ·been cited in your declaration as you having
`·6· · · ·relied upon?
`·7· · · · · ·A.· · So I spent time reviewing the
`·8· · · ·materials, the '132 patent, the materials that
`·9· · · ·are listed in the declaration.· I spent time
`10· · · ·writing portions of my declaration, reviewing
`11· · · ·it.· So it is all of those things that I put my
`12· · · ·time into.
`13· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Going back to your CV, you
`14· · · ·have a highlight of research accomplishments.
`15· · · · · · · · ·Do you see that on Page 3?
`16· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, I do.
`17· · · · · ·Q.· · And it says you've published 225
`18· · · ·technical papers?
`19· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, that's correct.
`20· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· What's a "technical paper"?
`21· · · · · ·A.· · By "technical paper" here, I'm
`22· · · ·referring to a research paper that I published
`23· · · ·in peer-reviewed conferences or journals in the
`24· · · ·area.
`25· · · · · ·Q.· · And those 225 technical papers, are
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`·1· · · ·those papers which you solely authored or were
`·2· · · ·there other authors in connection with those
`·3· · · ·papers?
`·4· · · · · ·A.· · So the majority of the papers that I
`·5· · · ·write are with my students or other
`·6· · · ·collaborators, so they appear as co-authors in
`·7· · · ·the publications.
`·8· · · · · ·Q.· · All right.· When you write these
`·9· · · ·technical papers or you help write these
`10· · · ·technical papers, is it important that they're
`11· · · ·accurate?
`12· · · · · · · · ·MR. KENTON:· Objection to form.
`13· · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· So we try to ensure
`14· · · ·that whatever we write is based on our findings
`15· · · ·in research and those findings are accurate.
`16· · · · · · · · ·BY MR. CENTURELLI:
`17· · · · · ·Q.· · And you certainly try to be accurate
`18· · · ·when you write them?
`19· · · · · ·A.· · Try to be accurate, yes.
`20· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And the 225 technical papers
`21· · · ·that you identify here, are they identified in
`22· · · ·your CV?
`23· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, they are listed in the CV.
`24· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· So the -- the various papers
`25· · · ·that are listed in the CV, those are the -- the
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`·1· · · ·peer reviewers read the paper.· They offer
`·2· · · ·feedback.· They ensure that the research is
`·3· · · ·sound.· And, in many cases, you make revisions
`·4· · · ·to the paper based on the feedback, and it goes
`·5· · · ·to a second or third round of peer review after
`·6· · · ·which it is accepted for publication.
`·7· · · · · ·Q.· · Do you ever engage in peer review?
`·8· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, I have.
`·9· · · · · ·Q.· · And what I mean by "engage in peer
`10· · · ·review," you look at your colleagues' papers,
`11· · · ·you review them, and you provide feedback?
`12· · · · · ·A.· · Well, I have been an editor of
`13· · · ·several journals.· I have been on -- on program
`14· · · ·committees of many conferences.· I have been
`15· · · ·the program chair of many conferences.· In
`16· · · ·those capacities, I have either been a peer
`17· · · ·reviewer or learned the peer-review process for
`18· · · ·papers that were submitted to the journal of
`19· · · ·those conferences.
`20· · · · · ·Q.· · And if you're peer reviewing a paper
`21· · · ·and you see something that's wrong in it, will
`22· · · ·you send a note back to the author and say,
`23· · · ·hey, this is not quite right, you should
`24· · · ·correct this?
`25· · · · · ·A.· · Particularly the way some of these
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`·1· · · ·225 or so technical papers you're referencing?
`·2· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, that's correct.
`·3· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And if I turn the page to 4 I
`·4· · · ·see a heading "Book Chapters."
`·5· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, that's correct.
`·6· · · · · ·Q.· · Do you consider those to be
`·7· · · ·technical papers?
`·8· · · · · · · · ·MR. KENTON:· Objection.· Relevance.
`·9· · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· So those are reviewed
`10· · · ·and I would consider them to be technical
`11· · · ·survey papers.· They survey the area.
`12· · · · · · · · ·BY MR. CENTURELLI:
`13· · · · · ·Q.· · And when you wrote those book
`14· · · ·chapters or helped write those book chapters,
`15· · · ·it was your intent to be accurate in describing
`16· · · ·them or writing them?
`17· · · · · ·A.· · That's correct, yes.
`18· · · · · ·Q.· · And they were peer reviewed by
`19· · · ·someone else besides yourself before they're
`20· · · ·published?
`21· · · · · ·A.· · That is correct.
`22· · · · · ·Q.· · And what's the purpose of having a
`23· · · ·peer review?
`24· · · · · ·A.· · Well, peer review is -- broadly
`25· · · ·speaking, when you write a technical paper,
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`·1· · · ·processes work is what is called a double-blind
`·2· · · ·process where the names of the reviewers are
`·3· · · ·not revealed to the authors.· And, in many
`·4· · · ·cases, the names of the authors are removed
`·5· · · ·from the publication during the peer-review
`·6· · · ·process.· This is to ensure fairness of the
`·7· · · ·process.· So, typically, you would not directly
`·8· · · ·write a note to the authors indicating that
`·9· · · ·there is something wrong.
`10· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Do you write notes to anyone
`11· · · ·indicating there's something wrong, like to the
`12· · · ·editor or to the person who's purporting to
`13· · · ·publish?
`14· · · · · ·A.· · Typically, you'd wire a review to
`15· · · ·the editor of the journal of the chair of the
`16· · · ·conference without your name on it, and the
`17· · · ·editor of the chair would then forward that
`18· · · ·review to the authors.· The only thing that the
`19· · · ·authors know is there is somebody in the field
`20· · · ·has reviewed the paper and offered some
`21· · · ·feedback, but we don't reveal yourself
`22· · · ·typically.
`23· · · · · ·Q.· · Is a feedback ever a correction?
`24· · · ·Like, if someone wrote a paper or something
`25· · · ·that's a mistake in it, would you point that
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`·1· · · ·out as part of the peer-review process?
`·2· · · · · ·A.· · Generally speaking, if you find
`·3· · · ·errors of any sort during a peer-review process
`·4· · · ·you write the editor.
`·5· · · · · ·Q.· · And why do you provide that feedback
`·6· · · ·of correcting errors?
`·7· · · · · ·A.· · It is typically provided to ensure
`·8· · · ·that the paper is accurate before it gets
`·9· · · ·published.
`10· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And that's the goal, is to
`11· · · ·provide papers that are accurate before they're
`12· · · ·published?
`13· · · · · ·A.· · That is the general goal, yes.
`14· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· All right.· After the
`15· · · ·section, book chapters, you have journal
`16· · · ·publications on Page 5?
`17· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, sir, that's correct.
`18· · · · · ·Q.· · What are journal publications?
`19· · · · · ·A.· · So journals are archival
`20· · · ·publications where you submit papers that go
`21· · · ·through the peer-review process, and upon
`22· · · ·acceptance they appear in the issue of the
`23· · · ·journal that's distributed to researchers or
`24· · · ·libraries for future reference.
`25· · · · · ·Q.· · And it's important that the journal
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`·1· · · ·educational publications to people in your
`·2· · · ·field; is that a fair characterization?
`·3· · · · · ·A.· · Well, it is to provide research
`·4· · · ·publications.· Educational publications are a
`·5· · · ·different kind of publication.
`·6· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· So the goal is to provide
`·7· · · ·research publications that are accurate and
`·8· · · ·help advance the areas of research that the
`·9· · · ·papers address?
`10· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, that's correct.
`11· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Does that same goal apply to
`12· · · ·the Refereed Conference and Workshop
`13· · · ·Publications?
`14· · · · · ·A.· · Broadly speaking, yes, conferences
`15· · · ·and workshop also provide a menu for one-on-one
`16· · · ·discussion with the authors of the papers as
`17· · · ·well in addition to presenting the papers.
`18· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Who typically attends these
`19· · · ·refereed conferences?
`20· · · · · · · · ·MR. KENTON:· Objection.· Relevance.
`21· · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· That would depend on
`22· · · ·the conference.· There are conferences of
`23· · · ·various kinds, particularly to the researchers
`24· · · ·in the field from academic institutions,
`25· · · ·industry government organizations.
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`·1· · · ·publications are accurate in their descriptions
`·2· · · ·of the various topics?
`·3· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, it is important.· That would be
`·4· · · ·accurate, yes.
`·5· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And the peer review that they
`·6· · · ·undergo helps ensure their accuracy?
`·7· · · · · ·A.· · That's correct, yes.
`·8· · · · · ·Q.· · All right.· The next Section I see
`·9· · · ·is "Refereed Conferences" and "Workshop
`10· · · ·Publications"?
`11· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, that's correct.
`12· · · · · ·Q.· · What are those?
`13· · · · · ·A.· · Again, conferences and workshops are
`14· · · ·venues where you publish papers and also orally
`15· · · ·present your paper to an audience, and this
`16· · · ·section lists research papers that I have
`17· · · ·published with my co-authors in those areas.
`18· · · · · ·Q.· · And is the goal the same with
`19· · · ·respect to the workshop publications?
`20· · · · · · · · ·MR. KENTON:· Objection.· Form.
`21· · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I don't understand the
`22· · · ·question.
`23· · · · · · · · ·BY MR. CENTURELLI:
`24· · · · · ·Q.· · So I understood that the goal of the
`25· · · ·journal publications was to provide accurate
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`·2· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· The conferences that -- that
`·3· · · ·you submit papers to, is there a particular
`·4· · · ·area that they're focusing?
`·5· · · · · ·A.· · The areas that I published in are
`·6· · · ·directly related to my technical interest which
`·7· · · ·are broadly distributed systems and networking.
`·8· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· So the -- the conferences
`·9· · · ·that are listed here relate to your research
`10· · · ·interests?
`11· · · · · ·A.· · The conferences that are listed here
`12· · · ·are -- are venues where I have published my
`13· · · ·technical papers with my co-authors, and they
`14· · · ·are related to my research interests.
`15· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And with respect to the
`16· · · ·conferences that are listed here, do you
`17· · · ·respect them?
`18· · · · · · · · ·MR. KENTON:· Objection.· Relevance.
`19· · · ·Objection to the form.
`20· · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I don't understand
`21· · · ·your question.
`22· · · · · · · · ·BY MR. CENTURELLI:
`23· · · · · ·Q.· · Like, from a technical standpoint,
`24· · · ·are you submitting to conferences that you
`25· · · ·believe are good conferences in terms of their
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`·1· · · ·academic and research qualifications?
`·2· · · · · · · · ·MR. KENTON:· Objection.· Relevance.
`·3· · · ·Objection to form.
`·4· · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· So I -- my papers have
`·5· · · ·been submitted to conferences that are reputed
`·6· · · ·in the field and power technical focus is
`·7· · · ·similar to my interest.· So those are the areas
`·8· · · ·I work in and the areas that I publish.
`·9· · · · · · · · ·BY MR. CENTURELLI:
`10· · · · · ·Q.· · When you say -- did you say reputed
`11· · · ·in the field?
`12· · · · · ·A.· · Reputed in the field.
`13· · · · · ·Q.· · What does that mean?
`14· · · · · ·A.· · That they have a good research
`15· · · ·reputation for publishing work papers.
`16· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And the conferences that you
`17· · · ·submit your papers to and your students' papers
`18· · · ·to for publication, they go through the same
`19· · · ·peer-review-process that we discussed with
`20· · · ·respect to the journals?
`21· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, that's correct.
`22· · · · · ·Q.· · And then I believe the next section
`23· · · ·in your CV is "Patents"?
`24· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, that is correct.
`25· · · · · ·Q.· · And it appears you've been awarded
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`·1· · · ·applied upon graduation.
`·2· · · · · ·Q.· · And why did you choose to list that
`·3· · · ·in your CV?
`·4· · · · · · · · ·MR. KENTON:· Objection.· Relevance.
`·5· · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I don't understand
`·6· · · ·your question.
`·7· · · · · · · · ·BY MR. CENTURELLI:
`·8· · · · · ·Q.· · I'm just curious why you chose to
`·9· · · ·list where your Ph.D. advisees ended up after
`10· · · ·your program --
`11· · · · · · · · ·MR. KENTON:· Objection.· Relevance.
`12· · · · · · · · ·BY MR. CENTURELLI:
`13· · · · · ·Q.· · -- in your CV?
`14· · · · · ·A.· · Well, typically, you list where your
`15· · · ·students are that have come in CVs that we have
`16· · · ·in the field.
`17· · · · · ·Q.· · I understand typically you do that,
`18· · · ·but why?· I'm just curious.
`19· · · · · · · · ·MR. KENTON:· Objection.· Relevance.
`20· · · ·Objection.· Asked and answered.
`21· · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I'm not understanding
`22· · · ·the question as to why.· It is what --
`23· · · · · · · · ·BY MR. CENTURELLI:
`24· · · · · ·Q.· · Why is it relevant for your CV to
`25· · · ·list where your Ph.D. advisees --
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`·1· · · ·three patents?
`·2· · · · · ·A.· · There are four listed here, uh-huh.
`·3· · · · · ·Q.· · Do you know what that fourth one --
`·4· · · ·is that a published application or is that an
`·5· · · ·actual issued U.S. Patent?· Do you know?
`·6· · · · · ·A.· · All of these are issued patents.
`·7· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· The next section is "Graduate
`·8· · · ·Students and Ph.D. Advisees."
`·9· · · · · · · · ·Do you see that?
`10· · · · · ·A.· · Yes, I do.
`11· · · · · ·Q.· · Who what's a graduate student?
`12· · · · · ·A.· · So graduate students, in this case,
`13· · · ·are students who are pursuing a Ph.D. degree at
`14· · · ·the -- the university.· Those are listed under
`15· · · ·the Ph.D. Advisees as a following section.
`16· · · ·M.S. or Master's advisees, those are students
`17· · · ·that I have advised who are pursuing a Master's
`18· · · ·Degree in computer science.
`19· · · · · ·Q.· · And I notice that you -- for a lot
`20· · · ·of the students, you list them as where they're
`21· · · ·currently employed; is that correct?
`22· · · · · ·A.· · In most cases, those were the first
`23· · · ·places of employment where they were employed.
`24· · · ·Some of them have moved to other venues since
`25· · · ·then, but I only listed where they first
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`·1· · · · · · · · ·MR. KENTON:· Objection.
`·2· · · · · · · · ·BY MR. CENTURELLI:
`·3· · · · · ·Q.· · -- were first employed?
`·4· · · · · · · · ·MR. KENTON:· Objection.· Relevance.
`·5· · · ·Foundation.
`·6· · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I mean, it just shows
`·7· · · ·where they are employed after they graduated.
`·8· · · ·I also listed the thesis titles here as well as
`·9· · · ·the degrees they got and the year of
`10· · · ·graduation.· So I consider that to be a
`11· · · ·complete description of my advisees in terms of
`12· · · ·what degree they got when they graduated, where
`13· · · ·they found their first employment, and their
`14· · · ·thesis titles.· So that's how I've listed them
`15· · · ·on this in my CV.
`16· · · · · · · · ·BY MR. CENTURELLI:
`17· · · · · ·Q.· · Do you do it as like a recruiting
`18· · · ·ploy?
`19· · · · · · · · ·MR. KENTON:· Objection.
`20· · · · · · · · ·BY MR. CENTURELLI:
`21· · · · · ·Q.· · "Ploy" is the wrong word.
`22· · · · · · · · ·But like -- I assume you're proud of
`23· · · ·the Ph.D. students that you've fostered through
`24· · · ·the process over the years?
`25· · · · · · · · ·MR. KENTON:· Objection.· Relevance.
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`·1· · · ·Form.· Foundation.
`·2· · · · · · · · ·BY MR. CENTURELLI:
`·3· · · · · ·Q.· · Well, let me rephrase the question.
`·4· · · · · · · · ·Are you proud of the Ph.D. students
`·5· · · ·that you have shepherded through the academic
`·6· · · ·process over the years?
`·7· · · · · · · · ·MR. KENTON:· Objection.· Relevance.
`·8· · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yes, I am involved in
`·9· · · ·good work.
`10· · · · · · · · ·BY MR. CENTURELLI:
`11· · · · · ·Q.· · In fact, it's taken a lot of hard
`12· · · ·work to get this many students through the
`13· · · ·Ph.D. process; is that correct?
`14· · · · · · · · ·MR. KENTON:· Same objection.
`15· · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· It has taken quite a
`16· · · ·bit of work on my part and even more work on
`17· · · ·their part.
`18· · · · · · · · ·BY MR. CENTURELLI:
`19· · · · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And you list where they wound
`20· · · ·up in employment because you're happy that they
`21· · · ·got good jobs