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`·1· · ·UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
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`·3· ·VALVE CORPORATION,
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`·4· · · · · · · · · · · · · Case IPR2016-00949
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`·5· · · · · · Petitioner,
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`·1· · · · · · The expert testimony of
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`·2· ·DR. GLEN STEVICK, Volume II, taken on
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`· · · · · Newport Beach, California· 92663
`18· · · · ·Phone:· 949.340.9736
`· · · · · Email:· rey@bhiplaw.com
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`·4· · · · 11355 W. Olympic Boulevard
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`·5· · · · Phone:· 310.312.4243
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`·1· · · ·held in and operated by both hands of the
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`·2· · · ·user, correct?
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`·3· ·A.· Yes.
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`·4· ·Q.· And paragraph 38, you had a definition for
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`·5· · · ·"handheld"?
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`·6· ·A.· Yes, as using the word "supported," yes.
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`·7· ·Q.· And what was that definition?
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`·8· ·A.· That a handheld controller is held in one's
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`10· ·Q.· No, what's -- not the controller, but what's
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`11· · · ·just the definition of "handheld" in
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`12· · · ·paragraph 38?
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`13· ·A.· You're holding it in your hands and it's
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`14· · · ·supported as shown in the figures.
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`15· ·Q.· Paragraph 38.
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`16· ·A.· Oh, I'm looking at the 949.· So, you want to
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`17· · · ·look at the --
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`18· ·Q.· Yeah, we're talking about the '525, 948.
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`19· ·A.· Yeah, no problem.· Sure.· It's probably
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`20· · · ·similar.· Let's see.· Okay.· Paragraph 38,
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`21· · · ·yes, you're right, I did put a Webster
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`22· · · ·dictionary, and "handheld" is held in the
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`23· · · ·hand, "to be operated while being held in
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`25· ·Q.· Now, do the terms "held" and "held in" have
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`·1· · · ·different meanings to a person of skill in
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`·3· · · ·date of June 17, 2011?
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`·4· · · · · · · · MR. BARCELO:· Objection, form.
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`·5· · · · · · · · THE WITNESS:· Well, holding
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`·6· · · ·something or grasping something is different
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`·7· · · ·than holding in your hand.· Much like a
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`·8· · · ·railing, you hold on to a railing, but
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`·9· · · ·you're not holding it in your hand.
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`11· ·Q.· So, the operative word or distinction is the
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`12· · · ·word "in"?
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`13· ·A.· Yes, or supported would be another way to
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`14· · · ·say it.
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`15· ·Q.· Okay.· And in Claim 1 of the '525 Patent, in
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`16· · · ·addition to the use of the handheld
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`17· · · ·controller language in the preamble, it also
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`18· · · ·states, "held in the hand," in the body of
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`20· ·A.· This is Claim 1 of the '525?
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`21· ·Q.· Yes.
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`·1· · · ·positioned to operate the front controller."
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`·2· ·Q.· Okay.· And is your position also that the
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`·3· · · ·video game controller of the '770 Patent
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`·5· ·A.· Yes.
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`·6· ·Q.· Let's talk about switch mechanisms.
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`·7· ·A.· Sure.
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`·8· ·Q.· Can you give me an example of what minimum
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`·9· · · ·level of education or experience that
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`11· · · ·structure of the switch mechanism?
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`12· · · · · · · · MR. BARCELO:· Objection, form.
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`13· · · · · · · · THE WITNESS:· Well, it can be
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`14· · · ·pre-graduation from high school, as most of
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`15· · · ·us in high school who took electronics and
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`16· · · ·shop, we all knew how a switch worked, we'd
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`17· · · ·taken several apart; and so, we knew what a
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`18· · · ·switch mechanism was and what they did.
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`19· · · ·BY MR. SAMUEL:
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`20· ·Q.· So, would a POSITA know what is the
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`21· · · ·structure of a switch mechanism?
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`22· ·A.· Yes.
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`23· ·Q.· Would a POSITA know what the structure of a
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`24· · · ·switch mechanism is even if it's not
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`25· · · ·disclosed in the '770 Patent?
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