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`·1· · ·UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
`· · · · BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`·3· ·VALVE CORPORATION,
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`·4· · · · · · · · · · · · · Case IPR2016-00949
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`·5· · · · · · Petitioner,
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`20· · · · · PRO-SYSTEMS COURT REPORTING
`· · · · · · ·4305 BRYANT AVENUE SOUTH
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`·1· · · · · · The expert testimony of
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`·2· ·DR. GLEN STEVICK, taken on March 9, 2017,
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`·3· ·at the DoubleTree by Hilton Hotel,
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`·4· ·Berkeley Marina, 200 Marina Boulevard,
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`·5· ·Berkeley, California, commencing at
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`·6· ·approximately 8:59 a.m., before
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`·7· ·Alexis Jensen, a Registered Professional
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`·8· ·Reporter, Certified Realtime Reporter and
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`·9· ·a Notary Public in and for the State of
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`· · · · · · · ·MR. JOSHUA C. HARRISON, PH.D.
`17· · · · 2901 West Coast Highway
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`18· · · · Newport Beach, California· 92663
`· · · · · ·Phone:· 949.340.9736
`19· · · · Email:· rey@bhiplaw.com
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`·4· · · · · · ·MR. ROBERT BECKER
`· · · · · 11355 W. Olympic Boulevard
`·5· · · · Los Angeles, California· 90064
`· · · · · Phone:· 310.312.4243
`·6· · · · Email:· esamuel@manatt.com
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`·1· ·A.· It's the --
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`·2· ·Q.· -- for the record?
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`·3· ·A.· -- what we've been referring to as the
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`·4· · · ·Tosaki patent, 5,989,123, and the title is:
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`·5· · · ·Steering wheel control apparatus, it's not a
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`·6· · · ·handheld controller, and it goes on to say:
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`·7· · · ·For a television game machine.
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`·8· ·Q.· Is the Tosaki game controller operated by
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`·9· · · ·both hands of the user?
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`10· ·A.· It can be, yes.
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`11· ·Q.· Can the steering wheel of the Tosaki game
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`12· · · ·controller be held by a user's hands?
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`13· · · · · · · · MR. SAMUEL:· Objection, calls for
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`14· · · ·speculation.
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`15· · · · · · · · THE WITNESS:· That implies support.
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`16· · · ·The support comes from the base and the
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`17· · · ·thighs.· So, it's -- it's different than a
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`18· · · ·handheld controller, which you actually are
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`19· · · ·supporting it in that case.
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`20· · · ·BY DR. HARRISON:
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`21· ·Q.· So, your opinions with regard to Tosaki rely
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`22· · · ·on your belief that the steering wheel of
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`23· · · ·Tosaki can't be held in a user's hands?
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`24· ·A.· You can grasp it, but you're not supporting
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`25· · · ·it.· "Held" can have several meanings,
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`·1· · · ·obviously, and you're not supporting it,
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`·2· · · ·your grasping it.· It's different.
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`·3· ·Q.· So, your opinions on Tosaki rely on your
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`·4· · · ·belief that a user can grasp it but not hold
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`·6· · · · · · · · MR. SAMUEL:· Objection,
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`·7· · · ·mischaracterizes testimony.
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`·8· · · · · · · · THE WITNESS:· Certainly you can
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`·9· · · ·lift it up, but during normal operation,
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`10· · · ·you're not supporting it.
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`11· · · ·BY DR. HARRISON:
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`12· ·Q.· Are you holding it?
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`13· ·A.· The part of hold that means that you're
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`14· · · ·touching it, certainly, and operating it as
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`15· · · ·you would a steering wheel.· It's different
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`16· · · ·than supporting a handheld controller.
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`17· ·Q.· Does the outside of Tosaki's steering wheel
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`18· · · ·include any convex portions?
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`19· · · · · · · · MR. SAMUEL:· Objection, calls for
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`20· · · ·speculation, outside the scope of the
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`21· · · ·report.
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`22· · · · · · · · THE WITNESS:· The outside of -- of
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`25· ·Q.· The Tosaki steering wheel.
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`·1· ·A.· That is the limitation of Tosaki, and it's
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`·2· · · ·really not -- you don't have the motivation
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`·3· · · ·to combine these two things, because you do
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`·4· · · ·have an arch there.· You can't pretend it's
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`·5· · · ·not there.· It's there.
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`·6· ·Q.· What's your basis for assuming it must
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`·7· · · ·always be there in all examples of Tosaki?
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`·8· ·A.· Because nobody would buy it, because it
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`·9· · · ·wouldn't feel like a steering wheel.· It's a
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`10· · · ·steering wheel.
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`11· · · · · · · · Look at the title:· Steering Wheel
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`12· · · ·Control Apparatus.· There's no steering
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`13· · · ·wheel in the '770 or the '525.
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`14· ·Q.· So, the aspect of Tosaki that its handheld
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`15· · · ·portion is shaped like a steering wheel, you
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`16· · · ·feel --
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`17· ·A.· No, the steering wheel is shaped like a
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`18· · · ·steering wheel.· It's not held up or
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`19· · · ·supported by the hand.· It's held up by the
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`20· · · ·thigh.
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`21· ·Q.· Is the Tosaki steering wheel held in the
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`22· · · ·hands?
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`23· ·A.· It's touched, grasped, by the hands, but
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`24· · · ·it's not held as in support.
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`25· ·Q.· Would one of ordinary skill in the art say
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