·1· · · · UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
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`·2· · · · ·BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`·4· ·CANON, INC.; CANON USA, INC.; CANON )
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`·5· ·FINANCIAL SERVICES, INC.; FUJIFILM· )
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`·6· ·CORPORATION; FUJIFILM HOLDINGS· )
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`·7· ·AMERICA CORPORATION; FUJIFILM NORTH )
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`·8· ·AMERICA CORPORATION; JVC KENWOOD· · )
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`·9· ·CORPORATION; JVC KENWOOD USA· · · · )Case Nos.
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`10· ·CORPORATION; NIKON CORPORATION;· · ·)IPR 2016-01199
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`11· ·NIKON, INC.; OLYMPUS CORPORATION;· ·)IPR 2016-01200
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`12· ·OLYMPUS AMERICA, INC.; PANASONIC· · )IPR 2016-01211
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`13· ·CORPORATION; PANASONIC CORPORATION· )IPR 2016-01212
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`14· ·OF NORTH AMERICA; SAMSUNG· · · · · ·)IPR 2016-01213
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`15· ·ELECTRONICS COMPANY, LTD.; and· · · )IPR 2016-01214
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`16· ·SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS AMERICA, INC.,· )IPR 2016-01216
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`17· · · · · · · · · ·Petitioners,· · · · )IPR 2016-01225
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`18· · · · · ·vs.· · · · · · · · · · · · ·)
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`19· ·PAPST LICENSING GMBH & COMPANY KG,· )
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`20· · · · · · · · · ·Patent Owner.· · · ·)
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`22· · · · ·DEPOSITION OF PAUL REYNOLDS, JR., Ph.D.
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`23· · · · · · · · · · ·Washington, D.C.
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`24· · · · · · · · · · · March 9, 2017
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`25· ·REPORTED BY:· Tina Alfaro, RPR, CRR, RMR
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`·2· · · · ·BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`·4· ·CANON, INC.; CANON USA, INC.; CANON )
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`·5· ·FINANCIAL SERVICES, INC.; FUJIFILM· )
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`·6· ·CORPORATION; FUJIFILM HOLDINGS· )
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`·7· ·AMERICA CORPORATION; FUJIFILM NORTH )
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`·8· ·AMERICA CORPORATION; JVC KENWOOD· · )
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`·9· ·CORPORATION; JVC KENWOOD USA· · · · )Case Nos.
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`10· ·CORPORATION; NIKON CORPORATION;· · ·)IPR 2016-01199
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`11· ·NIKON, INC.; OLYMPUS CORPORATION;· ·)IPR 2016-01200
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`12· ·OLYMPUS AMERICA, INC.; PANASONIC· · )IPR 2016-01211
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`13· ·CORPORATION; PANASONIC CORPORATION· )IPR 2016-01212
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`14· ·OF NORTH AMERICA; SAMSUNG· · · · · ·)IPR 2016-01213
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`15· ·ELECTRONICS COMPANY, LTD.; and· · · )IPR 2016-01214
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`16· ·SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS AMERICA, INC.,· )IPR 2016-01216
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`17· · · · · · · · · ·Petitioners,· · · · )IPR 2016-01225
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`18· · · · · ·vs.· · · · · · · · · · · · ·)
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`19· ·PAPST LICENSING GMBH & COMPANY KG,· )
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`20· · · · · · · · · ·Patent Owner.· · · ·)
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`22· · · · ·DEPOSITION OF PAUL REYNOLDS, JR., Ph.D.
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`23· · · · · · · · · · ·Washington, D.C.
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`24· · · · · · · · · · · March 9, 2017
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`25· ·REPORTED BY:· Tina Alfaro, RPR, CRR, RMR
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`·1· · · · · · Deposition of PAUL REYNOLDS, JR., Ph.D.,
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`·2· ·held at the offices of:
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`·1· ·APPEARANCES:
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`·2· · · · ON BEHALF OF THE PATENT OWNER:
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`·3· · · · FITCH EVEN TABIN & FLANNERY, LLP
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`·4· · · · BY: JOSEPH MARINELLI, ESQ.
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`·5· · · · · · PAUL HENKELMANN, ESQ.
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`·6· · · · · · 120 South LaSalle Street, Suite 1600
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`·7· · · · · · Chicago, Illinois 60603
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`·8· · · · · · (312) 577-7000
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`·9· · · · ON BEHALF OF CANON, INC., CANON USA, INC.,
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`10· · · · CANON FINANCIAL SERVICES, INC.:
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`11· · · · JONES DAY
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`12· · · · BY: DAVID MAIORANA, ESQ.
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`13· · · · · · MARC BLACKMAN, ESQ.
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`14· · · · · · North Point
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`15· · · · · · 901 Lakeside Avenue
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`16· · · · · · Cleveland, Ohio 44114
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`17· · · · · · (216) 586-3939
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`18· · · · ON BEHALF OF SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS COMPANY,
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`19· · · · LTD. and SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS AMERICA, INC.:
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`20· · · · DRINKER BIDDLE & REATH, LLP
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`21· · · · BY: NICK COLIC, ESQ.
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`22· · · · · · 1500 K Street, NW
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`23· · · · · · Washington, D.C. 20005
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`24· · · · · · (202) 230-5115
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`·2· · · · ON BEHALF OF FUJIFILM CORPORATION, FUJIFILM
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`·3· · · · HOLDINGS AMERICA CORPORATION, FUJIFILM NORTH
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`·4· · · · AMERICA CORPORATION:
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`·5· · · · ORRICK HERRINGTON & SUTCLIFFE, LLP
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`·6· · · · BY: CHRISTOPHER HIGGINS, ESQ.
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`·7· · · · · · VANN PEARCE, ESQ.
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`·8· · · · · · 1152 15th Street, NW
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`·9· · · · · · Washington, D.C. 20005
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`11· · · · ON BEHALF OF JVC KENWOOD CORPORATION, JVC
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`12· · · · KENWOOD USA CORPORATION, PANASONIC
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`13· · · · CORPORATION, PANASONIC CORPORATION OF NORTH
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`14· · · · AMERICA:
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`15· · · · JEFFER MANGELS BUTLER & MITCHELL, LLP
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`16· · · · BY: RACHEL CAPOCCIA, ESQ.
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`17· · · · · · 1900 Avenue of the Stars, 7th Floor
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`·5· · · · BY: ANDREW DEVKAR, ESQ.
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`·1· · · · · · · · · · · · I N D E X
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`·2· · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
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`·3· ·WITNESS· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·PAGE
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`·7· ·REYNOLDS EXHIBITS· DESCRIPTION· · · · · · · PAGE
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`·8· ·Exhibit 1· · · · · CV· · · · · · · · · · · ·9
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`·9· ·Exhibit 2· · · · · '746 Patent· · · · · · · 15
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`10· ·Exhibit 3· · · · · '144 Patent· · · · · · · 15
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`11· ·Exhibit 4· · · · · Declaration in 1213 IPR· 16
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`23· ·Exhibit 14· · · · ·607 Patent· · · · · · · ·108
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`24· ·Exhibit 15· · · · ·Declaration in 1211 IPR· 108
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`·1· ·WHEREUPON:
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`·2· · · · · · · PAUL F. REYNOLDS, JR., Ph.D,
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`·3· ·called as a witness herein, having been first duly
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`·4· ·sworn, was examined and testified as follows:
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`·5· · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
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`·6· ·BY MR. MARINELLI:
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`·7· · · · Q.· Good morning, Dr. Reynolds.
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`·8· · · · A.· Good morning.
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`·9· · · · Q.· My name is Joe Marinelli.· I'm one of the
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`10· ·attorneys representing Papst in this IPR
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`11· ·proceeding.· We've never met before, correct?
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`12· · · · A.· No.
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`13· · · · Q.· Before we begin, could you please state
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`14· ·your name for the record.
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`15· · · · A.· Paul F. Reynolds, Junior.
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`16· · · · Q.· All right.· And, Dr. Reynolds, what's your
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`17· ·address?
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`18· · · · A.· 857 Locust Avenue in Charlottesville,
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`19· ·Virginia.
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`20· · · · Q.· Okay.· I know you've had your deposition
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`21· ·taken a number of times already.· So I don't think
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`22· ·I need to go through the ground rules, but is there
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`23· ·any reason why you're unable to provide competent,
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`24· ·accurate testimony today?
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`25· · · · A.· No, not that I know of.
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`·1· · · · Q.· Okay.· And just let me know if you don't
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`·2· ·understand a question, I'll try to rephrase it.· Is
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`·3· ·that okay?
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`·4· · · · A.· Sure.
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`·5· · · · Q.· All right.· And let's do our best --
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`·6· ·probably the most important thing is that we don't
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`·7· ·talk over each other.· So I will try to as best I
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`·8· ·can let you finish your answer before I start on
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`·9· ·the question.· Okay?
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`10· · · · A.· I'd appreciate that.
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`11· · · · Q.· All right.
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`12· · · · · · You are being compensated for your
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`13· ·testimony today?
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`14· · · · A.· I am.
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`15· · · · Q.· By whom?
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`16· · · · A.· Multiple law firms.
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`17· · · · Q.· Okay.· So you're invoicing the law firms
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`18· ·directly?
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`19· · · · A.· I am.
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`20· · · · Q.· All right.· Do you have any --
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`21· ·Dr. Reynolds, do you have any patents yourself?
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`22· · · · A.· No.
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`23· · · · Q.· You're not an inventor on any U.S.
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`24· ·patents?
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`25· · · · A.· No.
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`·2· · · · · · · · · · · ·requested.)
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`·3· ·BY MR. MARINELLI:
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`·4· · · · Q.· All right.· You provided a CV which I'm
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`·5· ·going to mark as the first exhibit to the
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`·6· ·deposition.· I just have a couple questions about
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`·7· ·your CV.· Okay.· Do you recognize this as a copy of
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`·8· ·your CV?
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`·9· · · · A.· It appears to be.
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`10· · · · Q.· So I obtained this copy through the
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`11· ·initial petition for Interparty Review and is
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`12· ·this -- and it's dated April 2016.· Is there
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`13· ·anything significant to update on your CV?
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`14· · · · · · · · · · · (Witness reviewing document.)
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`15· ·BY THE WITNESS:
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`16· · · · A.· I think there's a deposition that was done
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`17· ·since then with respect to the '449 Burrell, the
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`18· ·top one on the third page.· I had a deposition at
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`19· ·the end of the summer last year.
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`20· · · · Q.· Okay.· Anything else?
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`21· · · · A.· No.
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`22· · · · Q.· No new articles?
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`23· · · · A.· No.
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`24· · · · Q.· Let me -- let me ask you about your
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`25· ·experience in Interparty Review proceedings.· You
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`·1· ·have them listed, as you said, on page 3.· It may
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`·2· ·be indicated on here and I'm missing it, but for
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`·3· ·the IPR related to the Burrell patent, were you --
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`·4· ·which side were you on?· Were you the Petitioner's
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`·5· ·side or the patent owner's side?
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`·6· · · · A.· The Petitioner's side.
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`·7· · · · Q.· Were you on the Petitioner's side in all
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`·8· ·of these proceedings listed on page 3?
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`·9· · · · A.· Yes, I was.
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`10· · · · Q.· Okay.· Have you ever been on the patent
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`11· ·owner's side in an IPR proceeding?
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`12· · · · A.· No.· The opportunity has never presented
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`13· ·itself.
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`14· · · · Q.· All right.· Now, you have a number of
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`15· ·articles listed beginning on page 4 of your CV, and
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`16· ·I looked through the titles of the articles and I
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`17· ·was trying to identify whether any of these
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`18· ·articles relate to the technology pertinent to the
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`19· ·patents -- relevant to the patents in these IPR
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`20· ·proceedings and I wasn't easily able to discern
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`21· ·that.
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`22· · · · · · So do any of the articles relate to the
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`23· ·technology of the patents involved in these IPR
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`24· ·proceedings?
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`25· · · · A.· The answer is yes.· All right.· At the
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`·1· ·bottom of page 4, the very bottom article, it
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`·2· ·starts off "An efficient framework for parallel
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`·3· ·simulation," the one above it "Design and
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`·4· ·performance analysis of hardware support for
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`·5· ·parallel simulation," the one four up from the
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`·6· ·bottom with C.C. Williams, "Combining atomic
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`·7· ·actions."
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`·8· · · · · · You'll notice papers on Isotach Networks
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`·9· ·that relate to novel approaches to message delivery
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`10· ·ordering in networks that brought me into contact
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`11· ·with a lot of work with hardware and interfacing.
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`12· · · · · · The Srinivasan paper, "Elastic time," we
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`13· ·built special purpose hardware to support that.
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`14· ·That was -- that's under the refereed journal
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`15· ·publications.· There would have been a number of
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`16· ·conference publications in the same time frame
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`17· ·where we were building special purpose hardware,
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`18· ·working with SCSI devices, and so forth.
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`19· · · · Q.· Okay.· So let me ask you a little more
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`20· ·direct question.· Do any of these articles relate
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`21· ·specifically to computer peripherals?
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`22· · · · A.· Not in a direct sense, but certainly in an
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`23· ·indirect sense, yes.
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`24· · · · Q.· Okay.· Any articles relate in a direct
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`25· ·sense to the connection of computer peripherals to
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`·2· · · · A.· I'd have to think about that for a minute.
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`·3· ·Yes, in the following way.· You'll see references
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`·4· ·to my work in distributed simulation, and in the
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`·5· ·world of distributed simulation, we're often
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`·6· ·attaching devices that are measuring human position
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`·7· ·and so forth to computers or, let me say,
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`·8· ·platforms, military platforms, that are
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`·9· ·communicating with computers.
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`10· · · · Q.· Okay.· Do any of these articles relate
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`11· ·to -- directly to processing of analog data?
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`12· · · · A.· Not directly as I recall, no.
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`13· · · · Q.· Do any of the articles relate directly
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`14· ·to --
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`15· · · · A.· I take that back.· I mean, a lot of the
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`16· ·data that -- I interpreted your question as
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`17· ·performing A to D or something like that.
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`18· ·Certainly we use technologies that did that.· So
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`19· ·the answer really is yes.· But did I do research
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`20· ·directly in that area, I would say no, not with
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`21· ·that as the target.
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`22· · · · Q.· Okay.· Do any of the articles specifically
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`23· ·discuss in the articles SCSI interfaces?
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`24· · · · A.· They should, yes.· The work that was done
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`25· ·in the early '90s we used SCSI interfaces in
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`·2· ·reduction network.· We used SCSI technology in
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`·4· · · · Q.· So are you saying that if I went and read
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`·5· ·the article, I would find reference to SCSI
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`·6· ·technology?
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`·7· · · · A.· I don't remember.· We used SCSI
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`·8· ·technology.· It was -- the focus was on combining
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`·9· ·operations in a parallel reduction network.· The
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`10· ·SCSI technology supported the data that went into
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`11· ·that network.
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`12· · · · Q.· Okay.· You don't -- so what I understand
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`13· ·you to be saying is you recall having used SCSI
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`14· ·technology in relation to projects, but you don't
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`15· ·recall today whether these articles actually
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`16· ·discuss SCSI interfaces; is that right?
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`17· · · · A.· I don't recall if they mentioned
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`18· ·explicitly that we were using SCSI interfaces, but
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`19· ·we were.
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`20· · · · Q.· And a lot of your -- some of your articles
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`21· ·that you list in your CV do mention various
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`22· ·protocols.· I'm wondering whether any of the
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`23· ·articles specifically discuss protocols that could
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`24· ·be used to allow a computer peripheral to
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`25· ·communicate with a host computer?
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`·1· · · · A.· In a general sense, yes.
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`·4· ·management in parallel and distributed simulations.
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`·5· ·So we were interested in maintaining what's known
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`·6· ·as logical time with respect to each of those
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`·7· ·devices that were connected into a network, into
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`·8· ·computers in the network.
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`10· ·familiar with some references just by virtue of
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`11· ·your experience.· Are you familiar with the IBM
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`12· ·dictionary of computing?
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`13· · · · A.· I think I've heard of it.
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`14· · · · Q.· Have you ever used it?
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`15· · · · A.· Not that I recall.
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`16· · · · Q.· Okay.· Are you familiar with the Microsoft
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`17· ·Press Computer Dictionary?
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`18· · · · A.· My recollection is I used the Microsoft
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`19· ·encyclopedia, but not the dictionary.
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`20· · · · Q.· Okay.· Are there certain references that
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`21· ·you -- you know, you consider to be kind of go-to
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`22· ·technical references that you use frequently in
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`23· ·your work or have used frequently in your work?
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`24· · · · A.· Not so much.· On occasion, yeah, when we
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`25· ·need it for building hardware or something like
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`·2· ·papers rather than encyclopedic-like documents.
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`·3· · · · Q.· Do any of the encyclopedic or desk
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`·5· · · · A.· I'm sure there are some.· I'm not
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`·6· ·remembering them right now.
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`·7· · · · Q.· Okay.· What about the IEEE standard
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`·8· ·dictionary of electrical and electronics terms, is
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`·9· ·that one that you've used?
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`10· · · · A.· I don't recall that I have, no.
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`11· · · · Q.· Have you ever used the Barron's Dictionary
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`12· ·of Computer Terms and Internet Terms?
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`13· · · · A.· Possibly through Web reference, but I
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`14· ·don't remember doing it.
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`15· · · · Q.· Okay.· Now, you did in your declaration --
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`16· ·or at least in one of your declarations you
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`17· ·reference the MS-DOS Encyclopedia by Ray Duncan; do
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`18· ·you recall that?
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`19· · · · A.· Yes.
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`20· · · · Q.· How did you become aware of that
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`21· ·reference?
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`22· · · · A.· My best recollection was that it was
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`23· ·through search.· I expected to find it and I did.
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`25· · · · · · · · · · · (Reynolds Exhibit 2 and
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`·1· · · · · · · · · · · ·Exhibit 3 were marked as
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`·2· · · · · · · · · · · ·requested.)
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`·3· ·BY MR. MARINELLI:
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`·4· · · · Q.· Dr. Reynolds, I'm going to hand you what
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`·5· ·I've marked Exhibit 2 to your deposition.· This is
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`·6· ·U.S. Patent No. 8,504,746 to Tasler.· Then I'm
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`·7· ·going to hand you Exhibit 3 to your deposition.
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`·8· ·This is U.S. Patent No. 8,966,144, also to Tasler.
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`·9· ·So these are Exhibits 2 and 3.· These are the two
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`10· ·patents that are involved in these IPR proceedings,
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`11· ·correct?
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`12· · · · A.· They appear to be.· I'm looking through
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`13· ·them right now.
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`14· · · · Q.· Are those the two patents involved in the
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`15· ·proceedings?
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`16· · · · A.· They appear to be.
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`17· · · · Q.· Okay.· You can hang on to those.· I just
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`18· ·wanted to mark them to get them in the record.
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`19· ·We'll get to them.
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`20· · · · · · · · · · · (Reynolds Exhibit 4 was marked
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`21· · · · · · · · · · · ·as requested.)
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`22· ·BY MR. MARINELLI:
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`23· · · · Q.· Then I want to hand you what I've marked
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`24· ·as Exhibit 4.· This is a copy of your declaration
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`25· ·in relation to the 1213 IPR proceeding -- I'm going
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`Papst Licensing GmbH & Co. KG - Exhibit 2007, p.16
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`·1· ·to call it that, that's the serial number given by
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`·2· ·the board -- to the proceeding related to the
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`·3· ·'746 Patent which you've got as Exhibit 2 and the
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`·4· ·lead reference being the Yamamoto reference, U.S.
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`·5· ·Patent No. 6,088,532.
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`·6· · · · · · All right.· So you agree that's a copy of
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`·7· ·your declaration?
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`·8· · · · A.· I'm determining that right now.
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`·9· · · · Q.· Okay.
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`10· · · · · · · · · · · (Witness reviewing document.)
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`11· ·BY THE WITNESS:
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`12· · · · A.· It appears to be the '746 declaration for
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`13· ·Yamamoto.
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`14· · · · Q.· Okay.· All right.· Who wrote the
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`15· ·declaration?
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`16· · · · A.· I did.
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`17· · · · Q.· Did you write the whole thing?
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`18· · · · A.· I drafted it, yes.· I'm responsible for
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`19· ·it.
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`20· · · · Q.· Did you write it with the assistance of
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`21· ·attorneys?
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`22· · · · A.· I consulted with attorneys.
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`23· · · · Q.· Who wrote the first draft of it?
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`24· · · · A.· I did.
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`25· · · · Q.· After you wrote the first draft, did you
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`Papst Licensing GmbH & Co. KG - Exhibit 2007, p.17
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`·1· ·subsequently edit the draft?
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`·2· · · · A.· Yes.
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`·3· · · · Q.· Okay.· You revised it?
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`·4· · · · A.· Yes.
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`·5· · · · Q.· All right.· And then eventually I presume
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`·6· ·you attached your signature to the document.· Did
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`·7· ·you finally review the document before you signed
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`·8· ·it?
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`·9· · · · A.· I reviewed the document.
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`10· · · · Q.· Did you assist in writing the petition for
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`11· ·Interparty Review in this case, this being the
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`12· ·Yamamoto reference applied to the '746 Patent?
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`13· · · · A.· Never directly, no.· There was discussion,
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`14· ·an exchange of thoughts.
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`15· · · · Q.· But your drafting was related to your
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`16· ·declaration, in other words, more so than the
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`17· ·petition itself?
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`18· · · · A.· I'm sorry.· I didn't understand your
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`19· ·question.
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`20· · · · Q.· The writing exercise, the drafting
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`21· ·exercise you took, that related to your declaration
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`22· ·rather than the actual petition, correct?
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`23· · · · A.· Yes.· Yes.· This is a declaration original
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`24· ·to me.
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`25· · · · Q.· All right.· If you could turn to
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`Papst Licensing GmbH & Co. KG - Exhibit 2007, p.18
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`·1· ·paragraph 40 of Exhibit 4.· All right.· This is a
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`·2· ·paragraph that's in a section titled "Level of
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`·3· ·Ordinary Skill in the Art," correct?
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`·4· · · · A.· Yes, it is.
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`·5· · · · Q.· All right.· Do you consider yourself to be
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`·6· ·somebody having ordinary skill in the art relevant
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`·7· ·to the '746 Patent?
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`·8· · · · A.· Yes, I do.
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`·9· · · · Q.· Would you consider yourself to have a
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`10· ·level of skill above what you would consider to be
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`11· ·ordinary skill?
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`12· · · · A.· Yes, I do.
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`13· · · · Q.· Now, you mentioned when you're describing
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`14· ·what you believe to be the ordinary skill in the
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`15· ·art you say that "The prior art discussed herein
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`16· ·demonstrates that a person of ordinary skill in the
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`17· ·art at the relevant time, 1996 to 1998, would have
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`18· ·at least a four-year degree from a reputable
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`19· ·university in electrical engineering, computer
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`20· ·science, or related field of study or equivalent
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`21· ·experience"; do you see that?
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`22· · · · A.· Yes, I do.
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`23· · · · Q.· What types of courses would a person have
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`24· ·to have as part of a four-year degree to reach a
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`25· ·level of ordinary skill in the art?
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`Papst Licensing GmbH & Co. KG - Exhibit 2007, p.19
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`·1· · · · A.· With a four-year degree?
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`·2· · · · Q.· Yes.
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`·3· · · · A.· Beginning courses in -- well, I've
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`·4· ·mentioned a couple of fields here, but beginning
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`·5· ·courses in computer science, courses in networking,
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`·6· ·courses in computer organization and computer
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`·7· ·architecture.· There are many others.· I'm not sure
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`·8· ·if I said operating systems, probably artificial
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`·9· ·intelligence, discrete math.· In electrical
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`10· ·engineering I would add courses in logic design.
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`11· · · · Q.· So is it your testimony that somebody
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`12· ·would have to have courses as you listed in order
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`13· ·to attain ordinary skill in the art?
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`14· · · · A.· This is what I've said, they would have
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`15· ·had at least a four-year degree from a reputable
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`16· ·university in these areas.
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`17· · · · Q.· So a degree in electrical engineering,
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`18· ·would that -- a four-year degree include a course
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`19· ·on networking?
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`20· · · · A.· Yes.
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`21· · · · Q.· And would a four-year degree in electrical
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`22· ·engineering include a course on computer
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`23· ·organization architecture?
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`24· · · · A.· Yes.
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`25· · · · Q.· Would a four-year degree in electrical
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`Papst Licensing GmbH & Co. KG - Exhibit 2007, p.20
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`·1· ·engineering include courses on -- or a course on
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`·2· ·operating systems?
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`·3· · · · A.· Very likely.
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`·4· · · · Q.· And would a four-year degree in electrical
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`·5· ·engineering include courses on artificial
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`·6· ·intelligence?
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`·7· · · · A.· Less likely.
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`·8· · · · Q.· Would a four-year degree in electrical
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`·9· ·engineering include a course on discrete math?
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`10· · · · A.· Yes.
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`11· · · · Q.· All right.· And then you mention in
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`12· ·addition to a four-year degree, looking at
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`13· ·paragraph 40, a person of ordinary skill would have
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`14· ·to have at least two years experience in studying
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`15· ·or developing computer interfaces or peripherals;
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`16· ·do you see that?
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`17· · · · A.· Yes, I do.
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`18· · · · Q.· How would somebody obtain experience in
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`19· ·studying or developing computer interfaces or
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`20· ·peripherals?
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`21· · · · A.· At the Master's level, you know, which
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`22· ·generally would be what this two years of
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`23· ·experience is about, you would have advanced
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`24· ·courses in computer architecture and computer
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`25· ·organization, advanced courses in networking.· In
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`Papst Licensing GmbH & Co. KG - Exhibit 2007, p.21
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`·1· ·electrical engineering you would have advanced
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`·2· ·courses in device design.
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`·3· · · · Q.· All right.· Would a person of ordinary
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`·4· ·skill in the art have to have specific experience
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`·5· ·or training in SCSI interfaces?
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`·6· · · · A.· At the priority date of the '746, it's
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`·7· ·very likely that they would have, yes.
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`·8· · · · Q.· And why do you say at the time of the
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`·9· ·priority date of the patent?
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`10· · · · A.· SCSI has fallen out of some favor. I
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`11· ·still imagine it would be covered in a historical
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`12· ·perspective.
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`13· · · · Q.· Can you please flip to paragraph 65, still
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`14· ·within Exhibit 4, which is your declaration.
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`15· ·All right.· So in paragraph 65 you state "For most
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`16· ·computers when a disk drive is found to be
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`17· ·attached, e.g., via the SCSI inquiry exchange, the
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`18· ·computer's operating system will attempt to
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`19· ·identify a bootable partition and/or file system
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`20· ·information on the first sector of the disk."· Then
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`21· ·you cite to the MS-DOS encyclopedia.
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`22· · · · · · Now, when you say "for most computers,"
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`23· ·why do you qualify it with most computers?· Is
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`24· ·there a category of computers where this would not
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`25· ·be the case?
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`Papst Licensing GmbH & Co. KG - Exhibit 2007, p.22
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`·1· · · · A.· I'm hard-pressed to think of any, but I
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`·2· ·can imagine some embedded applications where that
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`·3· ·might be the case intentionally.
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`·4· · · · Q.· What do you mean by that?
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`·5· · · · A.· The kind of system that I'm considering
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`·6· ·would be one where it doesn't expect to find files
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`·7· ·because it has already been programmed to look for
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`·8· ·what we would call raw data instead.· That would be
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`·9· ·rare.
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`10· · · · Q.· Okay.
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`11· · · · · · And you say "For most computers when a
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`12· ·disk drive is found."· What type of disk drive are
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`13· ·you referring to when you reference disk drive?
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`14· · · · A.· Well, I'm referencing a SCSI inquiry here
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`15· ·and a disk drive would represent itself in the SCSI
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`16· ·protocol as a direct access device.· So in the case
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`17· ·of SCSI, the response to the SCSI inquiry would
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`18· ·be -- from the device would be I'm a direct access
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`19· ·device.
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`20· · · · Q.· So would the disk drive be a SCSI disk
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`21· ·drive?
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`22· · · · A.· It either could be a SCSI disk drive or it
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`23· ·could be software interrelating in the SCSI disk
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`24· ·drive, among other things.
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`25· · · · Q.· All right.· Then when you say "For most
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`Papst Licensing GmbH & Co. KG - Exhibit 2007, p.23
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`·1· ·computers when a disk drive is found to be
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`·2· ·attached."· When you say "attached," are you
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`·3· ·referring to physically -- physical attachment
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`·4· ·through a cable or some other connector?
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`·5· · · · A.· That's the thought I had in mind when I
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`·6· ·wrote that, yes.
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`·7· · · · Q.· Okay.· You weren't referring to the --
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`·8· · · · A.· They have to be communicatively coupled by
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`·9· ·some method.
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`10· · · · Q.· All right.· Then if you could go to the
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`11· ·next paragraph, paragraph 66, please.· All right.
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`12· ·So in this paragraph you're referencing a disk
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`13· ·drive and I just want to understand what disk drive
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`14· ·are you referring to in your explanation here?· Is
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`15· ·it a specific drive, a SCSI drive?
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`16· · · · A.· It doesn't have to be a SCSI drive in
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`17· ·paragraph 66.· I reference SCSI in paragraph 66,
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`18· ·but this would be true of any disk drive real or
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`19· ·emulated.
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`20· · · · Q.· Okay.· Now, you say "The disk drive may
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`21· ·not have a file system installed."· In what cases
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`22· ·would a disk drive not have a file system
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`23· ·installed?
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`24· · · · A.· Well, I think we address that in
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`25· ·paragraph 65.· There may be cases -- unusual cases
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`Papst Licensing GmbH & Co. KG - Exhibit 2007, p.24
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`·1· ·in embedded systems whereby design you're working
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`·2· ·with raw data rather than with any kind of file
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`·3· ·structure or system.
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`·4· · · · Q.· If a hard drive was unformatted, would it
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`·5· ·have a file system?
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`·6· · · · A.· Generally, no.
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`·7· · · · Q.· And if a -- if the file system of a hard
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`·8· ·drive is corrupted, a read command of the block
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`·9· ·that contains the file system, what would be
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`10· ·returned?
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`11· · · · · · MR. MAIORANA:· Object to the form of the
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`12· ·question.
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`13· ·BY THE WITNESS:
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`14· · · · A.· I can't answer that question as posed.
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`15· · · · Q.· Why not?· You don't understand?
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`16· · · · A.· It's too -- too ambiguous.
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`17· · · · Q.· Okay.
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`18· · · · A.· What's being written?
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`19· · · · Q.· Right.· Well, I'm looking at your
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`20· ·paragraph 66 and it says that "On the host
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`21· ·computer, a device controller or operating system
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`22· ·component will analyze the returned information."
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`23· ·So what information would be returned if there was
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`24· ·a corrupt file system on a hard drive?
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`25· · · · · · MR. MAIORANA:· Object to the form.
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`Papst Licensing GmbH & Co. KG - Exhibit 2007, p.25
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`·1· ·BY THE WITNESS:
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`·2· · · · A.· That depends a lot on the corruption, how
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`·3· ·the device responds to the corruption.· There are
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`·4· ·many factors.
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`·5· · · · Q.· Okay.· What about in the case of an
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`·6· ·unformatted hard drive?· If there was -- if the
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`·7· ·host computer initiated a command to read the file
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`·8· ·system of -- to read a file system on an
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`·9· ·unformatted drive, what would be returned from the
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`10· ·unformatted drive?
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`11· · · · A.· I'm going to assume that when you say
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`12· ·"read a file system," you're attempting to do a,
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`13· ·for example, sector zero read which is what I'm
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`14· ·discussing?
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`15· · · · Q.· Yes.
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`16· · · · A.· There are indicators generally in sector
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`17· ·zero if there is a file system present.· The
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`18· ·assumption is that if none of those indicators is
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`19· ·present that there is not a file system present.
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`20· · · · Q.· So the information returned from the hard
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`21· ·drive, what indicator would be present in that
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`22· ·message back from the hard drive to convey to the
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`23· ·host computer that there's no file system?
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`24· · · · A.· I don't remember all the details, in
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`25· ·particular, what indicators are used by different
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`Papst Licensing GmbH & Co. KG - Exhibit 2007, p.26
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`·1· ·file systems, but I know that file systems tend to
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`·2· ·have unique indicators, bit patterns, that say I'm
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`·3· ·a FAT 16 file system, I'm a FAT 36 file system, I'm
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`·4· ·a UNIX file system and so forth.
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`·5· · · · Q.· All right.· Now, in paragraph 66 in the
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`·6· ·second sentence you say "Whether or not it does, a
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`·7· ·firmware controller for an actual disk drive will
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`·8· ·respond with information found in the sectors it
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`·9· ·has been asked to read."
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`10· · · · · · First of all, what do you mean by a
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`11· ·"firmware controller" in that sentence?
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`12· · · · A.· Disk drives -- real physical disk drives
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`13· ·tend to have control logic associated with them
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`14· ·that will control reading and writing on the
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`15· ·device, for example.
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`16· · · · Q.· Okay.· Is a firmware controller a physical
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`17· ·piece of circuitry or software application?
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`18· · · · A.· If it's a real physical drive, it's going
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`19· ·to tend to be in a PROM, for example.· If it's an
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`20· ·emulated drive, it could be software emulating the
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`21· ·function of the firmware that would be on a disk
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`22· ·drive.
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`23· · · · Q.· Okay.· Now, you reference -- I think your
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`24· ·language is for an actual disk drive.· What do you
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`25· ·mean by an actual disk drive?
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`Papst Licensing GmbH & Co. KG - Exhibit 2007, p.27
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`·1· · · · A.· A physical disk drive as opposed to an
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`·2· ·emulated disk drive.
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`·3· · · · Q.· Okay.· So in the case of a physical disk
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`·4· ·drive, what you referred to as an actual disk
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`·5· ·drive, did you say that the firmware controller
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`·6· ·would be in a PROM?
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`·7· · · · A.· Most generally.
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`·8· · · · Q.· And that would be -- that PROM would be
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`·9· ·part of the disk drive itself?
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`10· · · · A.· Most generally.
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`11· · · · Q.· All right.· Now, if you could go to the
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`12· ·next page.· It's paragraph 67 which begins on
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`13· ·page 37 and goes on to page 38.· So you've got a
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`14· ·diagram on page 38.· Where did you get this
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`15· ·diagram?
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`16· · · · A.· I made it.
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`17· · · · Q.· Okay.· So this is your own creation?
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`18· · · · A.· It is.
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`19· · · · Q.· And what is this diagram intended to
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`20· ·convey?
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`21· · · · A.· Multiple things.· It conveys the three
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`22· ·steps that I have spelled out in some detail in my
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`23· ·declaration about the recognition process that
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`24· ·typical disk drives, whether real or emulated, will
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`25· ·go through in order to reach a state where files
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`Papst Licensing GmbH & Co. KG - Exhibit 2007, p.28
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`·1· ·can be read and written.· As long as you asked the
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`·2· ·question, it also indicates quotes from Tasler
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`·3· ·relating to which steps of these Tasler set were
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`·4· ·already known by those skilled in the art.
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`·5· · · · Q.· Okay.· Now, you mentioned the three steps.
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`·6· ·What are the three steps as depicted in the
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`·7· ·diagram?
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`·8· · · · A.· The first step is the inquiry -- I'm going
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`·9· ·to call it an inquiry exchange.· It's a two-part
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`10· ·process.· A SCSI bus controller typically will send
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`11· ·out an inquiry to devices that are found on -- or
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`12· ·that exist on the SCSI bus.· That's a standard part
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`13· ·of the SCSI protocol.· The devices are expected to
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`14· ·respond with an inquiry response.· As the picture
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`15· ·depicts, they return information such as device ID,
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`16· ·vendor type, I think revision device type, and so
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`17· ·forth.· So a device type, for example, a disk drive
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`18· ·would tend to return that it's a direct access
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