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`·1· · · · · · UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
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`·2· · · · · · BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`· · · · · · · · · · · · ·Petitioner,· · ·)· · · · Case No.:
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`11· · · · · · · · · · · · ·DEPOSITION OF
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`13· · · · · · · · · · · SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA
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`14· · · · · · · · · · · · · APRIL 6, 2017
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`·1· · · · · · UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
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`12· · · · · · ·Deposition of CARLOS VAZQUEZ, taken on behalf of
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`13· · Patent Owner, at 12275 El Camino Real, Suite 200,
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`14· · San Diego, California 92130, commencing at 9:08 a.m.,
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`15· · Thursday, April 6, 2017, before A. Desiree Tipper,
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`·1· · · · · · · · · · A P P E A R A N C E S:
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`·3· ·FOR PETITIONER:
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`·4· · · ·SHEPPARD MULLIN RICHTER & HAMPTON, LLP
`· · · · ·BY:· TREVOR J. QUIST, ESQ.
`·5· · · ·12275 El Camino Real
`· · · · ·Suite 200
`·6· · · ·San Diego, CA 92130
`· · · · ·Phone:· · (858) 720-8900
`·7· · · ·Fax:· · · (858) 509-3691
`· · · · ·tquist@sheppardmullin.com
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`·9· ·FOR PATENT OWNER:
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`10· · · ·IRELL & MANELLA LLP
`· · · · ·BY:· JOSHUA GLUCOFT, ESQ.
`11· · · ·1800 Avenue of the Stars
`· · · · ·Suite 900
`12· · · ·Los Angeles, CA 90067
`· · · · ·Phone:· · (310) 277-1010
`13· · · ·Fax:· · · (310) 203-7199
`· · · · ·jglucoft@irell.com
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`·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · I N D E X
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`·4· · · · · · · · · · E X A M I N A T I O N
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`·6· ·Witness· · · · · · · · ·Examination By· · · · · · ·Page
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`·7· ·CARLOS VAZQUEZ
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`·8· · · · · · · · · · · · · ·Mr. Glucoft· · · · · · · · · ·6
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`·9· · · · · · · · · · · · · ·Mr. Quist· · · · · · · · · · 59
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`13· ·Exhibit· · · · · · · · · Description· · · · · · · ·Page
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`15· ·1036· · · · · ·Corrected Declaration of· · · · · · · 14
`· · · · · · · · · · C. Vazquez; 19 pages
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`· · ·1004· · · · · ·U.S. Patent No. 8,488,868;· · · · · · 19
`17· · · · · · · · · 36 pages
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`18· ·1001· · · · · ·U.S. Patent No. 8,922,628;· · · · · · 34
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`20· ·Exhibit
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`22· ·2011· · · · · ·Concepts, algorithms & MATLAB;· · · · 40
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`24· ·2012· · · · · ·Concepts, algorithms & MATLAB;· · · · 44
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`25· · · · · · · · · Inverse mapping; 4 pages
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`·1· · · · ·I N D E X (Continued:)
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`·1· · · · SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA; THURSDAY, APRIL 6, 2017
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`·5· · · · · · · ·having first been duly sworn, was
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`·8· · · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
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`·9· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`10· · · ·Q· · Good morning, Mr. Vazquez.
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`11· · · ·A· · Good morning.
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`12· · · ·Q· · Could you please state your name and home
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`13· ·address for the record.
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`14· · · ·A· · Carlos Vazquez, 21 Polaire, Gatineau, Quebec,
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`15· ·Canada.
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`16· · · ·Q· · Mr. Vazquez, you are represented by counsel
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`17· ·today; is that correct?
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`18· · · ·A· · Yes.
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`19· · · ·Q· · Could you please identify your attorneys?
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`20· · · ·A· · Trevor Quist.
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`21· · · ·Q· · Mr. Vazquez, do you understand that you've just
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`22· ·taken an oath to tell the truth?
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`23· · · ·A· · Yes.
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`24· · · ·Q· · Do you understand that this oath is of the same
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`25· ·force and effect as if given in a court of law before a
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`·1· ·judge and a jury?
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`·2· · · ·A· · Yes.
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`·3· · · ·Q· · Do you understand you are under oath even when
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`·4· ·we take a break?
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`·5· · · ·A· · Yes.
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`·6· · · ·Q· · Do you understand that when you are under oath,
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`·7· ·you are not to discuss this case while on break,
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`·8· ·including with your counsel?
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`·9· · · ·A· · Yes.
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`10· · · ·Q· · Do you understand that when you are under oath,
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`11· ·your counsel cannot interpret the questions or help you
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`12· ·answer questions?
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`13· · · ·A· · Yes.
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`14· · · ·Q· · Do you understand that unless your counsel
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`15· ·instructs you not to answer a question in order to
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`16· ·preserve privilege, you must answer the question?
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`17· · · ·A· · Yes.
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`18· · · ·Q· · Is there anything preventing you from giving
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`19· ·full and accurate answers today?
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`20· · · ·A· · No.
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`21· · · ·Q· · Is there any reason you cannot give me your best
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`22· ·testimony today?
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`23· · · ·A· · No.
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`24· · · ·Q· · Did you do anything to prepare for this
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`25· ·deposition?
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`·1· · · ·A· · Yes.
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`·2· · · ·Q· · What did you do?
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`·3· · · ·A· · I read the documents related the declaration.
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`·4· · · ·Q· · Did you review any documents not cited in your
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`·5· ·declaration?
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`·6· · · ·A· · Yes.
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`·7· · · ·Q· · Which documents were those?
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`·8· · · ·A· · Books.
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`·9· · · ·Q· · Which books?
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`10· · · ·A· · "Digital Image Warping."
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`11· · · ·Q· · I'm sorry.· Could you please repeat.
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`12· · · ·A· · "Digital Image Warping."
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`13· · · ·Q· · Digital Image Warping.· Who is that written by?
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`14· · · ·A· · Wolberg.
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`15· · · ·Q· · Warner?
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`16· · · ·A· · Wolgerg.
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`17· · · ·Q· · Warber?· W-A-R-B-E-R?
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`18· · · ·A· · W-O-L-B-E-R-G.
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`19· · · ·Q· · Wolberg.
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`20· · · ·A· · That's it.
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`21· · · ·Q· · Why did you review this document that was not
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`22· ·cited in your declaration?
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`23· · · ·A· · Because it was related to the topic.
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`24· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.
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`25· ·///
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`·1· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`·2· · · ·Q· · Does it change your opinion at all?
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`·3· · · ·A· · No.
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`·4· · · ·Q· · Why did you not cite this document in your
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`·5· ·declaration?
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`·6· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.· Privilege.
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`·7· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`·8· · · ·Q· · Are you not going to answer on account of your
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`·9· ·attorney's instruction --
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`10· · · ·A· · Well --
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`11· · · ·Q· · -- with respect to privilege?
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`12· · · ·A· · Privilege.
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`13· · · ·Q· · Okay.· Then --
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`14· · · · · · MR. GLUCOFT:· Trevor, can you please --
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`15· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Hold on.· You can go ahead -- the
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`16· ·witness can respond to that to the extent it doesn't
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`17· ·relate to communications between he and his attorneys.
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`18· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· I didn't find it necessary.
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`19· · · · · · MR. GLUCOFT:· Trevor, can we stipulate that if
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`20· ·Mr. Vazquez does not answer after you've given a
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`21· ·privileged objection, that his non-answer is on account
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`22· ·of your instruction not to answer.
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`23· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· We can.
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`24· · · · · · MR. GLUCOFT:· Thank you.
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`25· ·///
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`·1· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`·2· · · ·Q· · Mr. Vazquez, other than "Digital Image Warping,"
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`·3· ·did you review any documents not cited in your
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`·4· ·declaration?
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`·5· · · ·A· · Could be.· I review -- I was studying; so it is
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`·6· ·possible that I read other documents not cited.
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`·7· · · ·Q· · You were studying for this deposition?
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`·8· · · ·A· · Yeah.· I was reading documents.· From time to
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`·9· ·time, I just jumped to a different document.
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`10· · · ·Q· · And when you jumped to a different document, you
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`11· ·do not recall if any of those documents that you jumped
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`12· ·to were not cited in your declaration; is that correct?
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`13· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.
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`14· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· I don't remember every document I
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`15· ·review when I am doing work.
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`16· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Also, scope.
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`17· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`18· · · ·Q· · Did this book, Digital Image Warping, inform
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`19· ·your opinion that you presented in the declaration?
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`20· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.· Scope.
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`21· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· What's the meaning of "inform."
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`22· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`23· · · ·Q· · Did you rely on Digital Image Warping to form
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`24· ·your opinion?
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`25· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Same objections.
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`·1· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· To form my opinion?· I would say
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`·2· ·no.
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`·3· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`·4· · · ·Q· · Did you rely on any of the other documents you
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`·5· ·jumped to to form your opinion?
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`·6· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.· Scope.
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`·7· · · · · · And, Josh, I'm sorry to interrupt my LiveNote is
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`·8· ·not following realtime.
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`·9· · · · · · (Discussion held off the record.)
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`10· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`11· · · ·Q· · All right.· So, Mr. Vazquez, going back to where
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`12· ·we were, you said that you reviewed Wolberg's
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`13· ·"Digital Image Warping."· Just to make sure I understand,
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`14· ·did you rely on Digital Image Warping to inform the
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`15· ·opinion that you presented in your declaration?
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`16· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.
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`17· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· If "inform" means that I used the
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`18· ·information in there to decide what was in the
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`19· ·declaration, I would say no.
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`20· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`21· · · ·Q· · So then why did you review this book,
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`22· ·"Digital Image Warping"?
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`23· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.
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`24· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· Because it was related to the
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`25· ·declaration and there is information that is pertaining
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`·1· ·or that is related to the declaration.· I wanted to read
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`·3· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`·4· · · ·Q· · But you chose not to include the information
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`·5· ·that is pertaining or related to the declaration in your
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`·6· ·declaration; is that correct?
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`·7· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.· Scope.
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`·8· ·Relevance.
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`·9· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· I decided it was not absolutely
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`10· ·needed at that point.
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`11· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`12· · · ·Q· · What information was not absolutely needed?
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`13· · · ·A· · The information in the book.
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`14· · · ·Q· · And what information in the book do you believe
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`15· ·is related to your declaration that you decided not to
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`16· ·include in your declaration?
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`17· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.· Scope.
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`18· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· Information related to direct and
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`19· ·inverse mappings.
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`20· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`21· · · ·Q· · Is direct mapping the same thing as forward
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`22· ·mapping?
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`23· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.· Scope.
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`24· ·Relevance.
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`25· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· I would say yes.
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`·1· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`·2· · · ·Q· · Other than "Digital Image Warping," you
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`·3· ·mentioned that you reviewed other documents in
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`·4· ·preparation for this deposition.· Did you rely on any of
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`·5· ·those other documents in forming your opinion in the
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`·6· ·declaration?
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`·7· · · ·A· · I cannot say exactly that I rely on any
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`·8· ·particular document.· I review many documents.· I form an
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`·9· ·opinion.· I reflected that in the declaration.
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`10· · · ·Q· · And you do not recall which other documents you
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`11· ·reviewed in forming the opinion?
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`12· · · ·A· · No.
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`13· · · ·Q· · And those other documents that you reviewed in
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`14· ·forming the opinion, they're not expressly listed in the
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`15· ·declaration, correct?
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`16· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.· Relevance.
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`17· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· If they are not cited in the
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`18· ·declaration, then they are not.
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`19· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`20· · · ·Q· · Then they are not what?
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`21· · · ·A· · Well, the question was -- you were asking for
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`22· ·documents that were not in the declaration that I
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`23· ·reviewed, and you asked me if the documents are in the
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`24· ·declaration, so no, the documents are not in the
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`25· ·declaration.
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`·1· · · ·Q· · Thank you.· Did you bring any documents to this
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`·2· ·deposition?
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`·3· · · ·A· · No.
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`·4· · · ·Q· · Mr. Vazquez, I'm going to hand you the corrected
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`·5· ·Exhibit 1036, which is your second declaration in this
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`·6· ·matter.
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`·7· · · · · · (Exhibit 1036 previously marked for
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`·8· · · · · · identification.)
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`·9· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`10· · · ·Q· · Do you recognize this exhibit marked
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`11· ·Exhibit 1036 as the corrected declaration you submitted
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`12· ·in this proceeding?
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`13· · · ·A· · Yes.
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`14· · · ·Q· · Is this declaration your complete opinion?
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`15· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.
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`16· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· This is my opinion.
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`17· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`18· · · ·Q· · Is it your complete opinion?
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`19· · · ·A· · To the extent that I consider -- yes.
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`20· · · ·Q· · Do you see, Mr. Vazquez, on the bottom left
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`21· ·corner of your declaration, where it says
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`22· ·SMRH:482260327.1?
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`23· · · ·A· · Yes.
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`24· · · ·Q· · Do you see that that is on every page of your
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`25· ·declaration, Mr. Vazquez?
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`·1· · · ·A· · Yes.
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`·2· · · ·Q· · What does that identifier mean?
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`·3· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Privilege.· I'm going to
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`·4· ·instruct him not to respond to that.
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`·5· · · · · · MR. GLUCOFT:· As to the meaning of a word that
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`·6· ·is printed in his declaration, you're going to instruct
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`·7· ·him not to answer?
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`·8· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Relevance.· Let's object on
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`·9· ·relevance.
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`10· · · · · · If you want to go ahead and opine on that, okay.
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`11· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· This is an identifier for the --
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`12· ·my counsel.
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`13· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`14· · · ·Q· · This is an identifier for what?
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`15· · · ·A· · My counsel.
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`16· · · ·Q· · For your counsel.· SMRH stands for Shepard
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`17· ·Mullin Richter & Hampton; is that correct?
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`18· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.· Scope.
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`19· ·Relevance.
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`20· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· I don't know.
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`21· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`22· · · ·Q· · You do not know what SMRH stands for?
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`23· · · ·A· · No.
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`24· · · ·Q· · Why is this identifier there?
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`25· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Renewed objections.
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`·1· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· Because --
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`·2· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Scope.· Relevance.
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`·3· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· -- the counsel wanted to have my
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`·4· ·identifier for the records.· So I haven't found any
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`·5· ·problem with that -- with it.
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`·6· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`·7· · · ·Q· · Have you ever put an identifier in this form on
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`·8· ·any other document you have ever drafted before?
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`·9· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.· Scope.
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`10· ·Relevance.
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`11· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· That's a broad question.· I'm not
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`12· ·sure.· I have read many, many documents; so I cannot
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`13· ·answer with absolute certainty.
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`14· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`15· · · ·Q· · You did not put this type of identifier on the
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`16· ·first declaration that you submitted in this IPR when you
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`17· ·were represented by different counsel; is that correct?
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`18· · · ·A· · Yes.
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`19· · · ·Q· · Does this identifier have anything to do with
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`20· ·you?
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`21· · · ·A· · No.
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`22· · · ·Q· · Does the dot 1 at the end of this identifier
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`23· ·represent a version number?
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`24· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.· Scope.
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`25· ·Relevance.
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`·1· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· I don't know.
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`·2· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`·3· · · ·Q· · Does the 482260327 represent a document number?
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`·4· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Same objections.
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`·5· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· I don't know.
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`·6· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`·7· · · ·Q· · Okay.· Mr. Vazquez, can we please turn to
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`·8· ·paragraph 48 of your declaration.
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`·9· · · · · · In the second sentence, it says, "It is my
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`10· ·opinion that a POSITA would quickly be able to find
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`11· ·embodiment and the proposed claims in the combination of
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`12· ·references that form the basis for Petitioner's Ground 1
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`13· ·in the instant proceeding.· In particular, Tam '868
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`14· ·discloses an embodiment that creates a synthetic depth
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`15· ·map based on Chroma characteristic derived from a portion
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`16· ·of an individual image frame, without ever determining
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`17· ·the numeric distance from a reference to a point off the
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`18· ·working image's imaging plane for any pixel in the
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`19· ·working image."
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`20· · · · · · So in your analysis, you compared the teachings
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`21· ·of Tam '868 to the amended claims; is that correct?
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`22· · · ·A· · Yes.
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`23· · · ·Q· · And did you understand what you were comparing?
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`24· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.
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`25· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· I considered that I understand,
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`·1· ·yes.
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`·2· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`·3· · · ·Q· · So in making this comparison, were you certain
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`·4· ·of the teachings of Tam '868?
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`·5· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.
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`·6· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· To my understanding, yes.
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`·7· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`·8· · · ·Q· · And in making that comparison, were you certain
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`·9· ·about the scope of the proposed amended claims that you
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`10· ·were comparing to Tam '868?
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`11· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Scope.· Form.
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`12· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· To my understanding, yes.
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`13· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`14· · · ·Q· · So you are reasonably certain about what the
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`15· ·proposed amended claims mean?
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`16· · · ·A· · To my understanding, yes.
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`17· · · ·Q· · And you're reasonably certain about the scope of
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`18· ·the proposed amended claims?
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`19· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.· Foundation.
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`20· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· I have an understanding of what
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`21· ·the proposed amended claim states.
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`22· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`23· · · ·Q· · Thank you.· Now, let's talk about this Tam '868
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`24· ·reference and the way in which you suggest it reads on
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`25· ·the amended claims.
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`·1· · · · · · I'm going to hand you, Mr. Vazquez, Exhibit 1004
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`·2· ·in this proceeding?
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`·3· · · · · · (Exhibit 1004 previously marked for
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`·4· · · · · · identification.)
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`·5· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`·6· · · ·Q· · Which is -- excuse me -- Tam '868 patent.· You
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`·7· ·are a coinventor on this Tam '868 patent; is that
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`·8· ·correct?
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`·9· · · ·A· · Yes.
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`10· · · ·Q· · Are there any statements in this patent that you
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`11· ·believe are not true?
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`12· · · ·A· · No.
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`13· · · ·Q· · Are there any statements in this patent that you
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`14· ·believe are inaccurate?
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`15· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.
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`16· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· I don't believe so.
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`17· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`18· · · ·Q· · Are there any statements in this patent that you
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`19· ·believe are incomplete?
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`20· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.· Relevance.
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`21· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· To my knowledge, no.
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`22· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`23· · · ·Q· · Please turn to column 1, starting at line 52,
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`24· ·where it says, "depth map containing depth values for
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`25· ·each pixel or groups of pixels of the monoscopic source
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`·1· ·image."
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`·2· · · · · · Depth maps contain depth values; is that
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`·3· ·correct?
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`·4· · · ·A· · What's the line?
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`·5· · · ·Q· · Line 52, where it discusses depth maps, it says,
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`·6· ·"depth map containing depth values for each pixel or
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`·7· ·groups of pixels of the monoscopic source image."
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`·8· · · · · · My question is, depth maps contain depth values;
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`·9· ·is that correct?
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`10· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.
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`11· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· Well, the sentence starts -- line
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`12· ·47.· And it states, "In a technique called depth image
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`13· ·based rendering" so we are specifying -- we are talking
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`14· ·here about this technique DIBR -- "images with new camera
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`15· ·viewpoints are generated using information from reading
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`16· ·monoscopic a source image and its corresponding depth map
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`17· ·containing depth values for each pixel or group of pixels
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`18· ·of monoscopic source image."
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`19· · · · · · So these depth maps in this sentence is
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`20· ·referring to the technique of DIBR.· And when it says
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`21· ·"depth values," it has a broad meaning of representing
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`22· ·information that would be used in the process of DIBR to
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`23· ·generate a second image that will ultimately be used to
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`24· ·be presented to a viewer in a stereoscopic monitor in
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`25· ·order to provide a perception of that by representing or
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`·1· ·by producing binocular disparity in the human resource
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`·2· ·system.
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`·3· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`·4· · · ·Q· · Okay.· Mr. Vazquez, let's take it one step at a
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`·5· ·time.
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`·6· · · · · · Do depth maps contain depth values?
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`·7· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.
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`·8· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· It depends on what you mean by
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`·9· ·"depth values."
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`10· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`11· · · ·Q· · Okay.· So let's turn to line 56 in column 1,
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`12· ·where it says "a depth value representing distance to the
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`13· ·viewer, either relative or absolute.· Alternatively, the
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`14· ·depth value of a pixel may be understood as the distance
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`15· ·of the point of the three-dimensional scene represented
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`16· ·by the pixel from a reference plane that may, for
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`17· ·example, coincide with the plane of the image during
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`18· ·image capture or display."
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`19· · · · · · Is that the standard definition of a depth
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`20· ·value?
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`21· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.
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`22· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· I think this is the standard
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`23· ·definition of depth value, but what is important in this
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`24· ·context is that this '868 patent is in the context of
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`25· ·2 -- 3D conversion.· So the real depth information is not
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`·1· ·simply a value.· So when you talk about depth values, we
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`·2· ·are not necessarily talking about real distance in the
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`·3· ·real world.· We are talking about -- or it could
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`·4· ·include that's -- the information can be --
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`·5· · · · · · It could include information that is used to
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`·6· ·provide a perception of depth even if that information is
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`·7· ·not necessarily corresponding or related to the real
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`·8· ·depth in the original scene.· It is related to the
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`·9· ·perceived depth in viewer space at the moment of
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`10· ·visualization.
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`11· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`12· · · ·Q· · So when this patent says "a depth value
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`13· ·representing distance to the viewer, either relative or
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`14· ·absolute" in column 1, lines 56 through 57, that is the
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`15· ·standard definition of a depth value --
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`16· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.
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`17· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`18· · · ·Q· · -- is that correct?
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`19· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.
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`20· · · · · · Sorry to interrupt.
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`21· · · · · · Objection.· Form.
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`22· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· This is the definition of depth
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`23· ·value.
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`24· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`25· · · ·Q· · Is it the standard definition of a depth value?
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`·1· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.
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`·2· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· I don't think there is a standard
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`·3· ·to define depth value.
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`·4· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`·5· · · ·Q· · Is this the most common definition of a depth
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`·6· ·value?
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`·7· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.· Foundation.
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`·8· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· This is one definition.· I cannot
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`·9· ·say if it's the most common definition.
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`10· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`11· · · ·Q· · Can you think of any other definition that is
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`12· ·more common than this definition of a depth value?
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`13· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.· Scope.
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`14· ·Relevance.
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`15· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· I cannot think now of a different
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`16· ·definition.· I cannot say neither that there is not
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`17· ·another one.
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`18· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`19· · · ·Q· · Mr. Vazquez, when you filed this patent, did you
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`20· ·provide false or inaccurate information to the patent
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`21· ·office?
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`22· · · ·A· · No.
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`23· · · ·Q· · Is this information that a depth value
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`24· ·represents distance to the viewer either relative or
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`25· ·absolute -- is that information false or inaccurate?
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`·1· · · ·A· · No.
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`·2· · · ·Q· · I asked just a moment ago, if this was the most
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`·3· ·common definition of depth value, and you said that you
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`·4· ·could not think of another definition of depth value that
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`·5· ·was more common; is that correct?
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`·6· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.
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`·7· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· I said this is the definition of
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`·8· ·depth value, that I recognize as one definition that is
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`·9· ·used.· I would say it is common.· I cannot say if it's
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`10· ·the most common.
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`11· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`12· · · ·Q· · Are you aware of any other definitions of depth
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`13· ·value?
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`14· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.· Relevance.
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`15· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· I cannot say now a definition,
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`16· ·but, to me, depth value is anything that is providing an
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`17· ·information of position in the depth dimension.
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`18· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`19· · · ·Q· · Is the depth dimension the Z dimension?
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`20· · · ·A· · Sometimes --
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`21· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.· Foundation.
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`22· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· -- depending on the positioning of
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`23· ·the referenced system, the depth dimension could be
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`24· ·identified with a Z.
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`25· ·///
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`CARLOS VAZQUEZ
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`LEGEND3D, INC. vs PRIME FOCUS CREATIVELEGEND3D, INC. vs PRIME FOCUS CREATIVE
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`April 06, 2017
`April 06, 2017
`25
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`·1· ·BY MR. GLUCOFT:
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`·2· · · ·Q· · Is the depth dimension a third dimension?
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`·3· · · · · · MR. QUIST:· Objection.· Form.
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`·4· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· If you are talking about the space
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`·5· ·and the definition of -- in space, the space where you
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`·6· ·have three dimensions, and you use a coordinate system
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`·7· ·with X, Y, and zed, yes, in that case the depth dimension
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`·8· ·is a third di
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