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`·1· · ·IN THE UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
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`·2· · · · ·BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`· · LEGEND 3D, INC.
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`· · · · · ·vs.· · · · · · · · · · ·Case IPR2016-00806
`·6· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·PATENT U.S. 8,922,628
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`12· · · CONFIDENTIAL DEPOSITION OF DAVID FORSYTH, Ph.D.
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`·1· · ·IN THE UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
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`·1· · · · · · APPEARANCES OF COUNSEL
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`·3· ·For Petitioner:
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`·4· · · · SHEPPARD MULLIN RICHTER & HAMPTON LLP
`· · · · · DANIEL YANNUZZI, ESQ.
`·5· · · · TREVOR J. QUIST, ESQ.
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`·6· · · · Suite 200
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`·7· · · · T:· (858) 720-8900
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`·8· · · · dyannuzzi@sheppardmullin.com
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`12· · · · IRELL & MANELLA LLP
`· · · · · JOSHUA GLUCOFT, ESQ.
`13· · · · 1800 Avenue of the Stars
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`14· · · · Los Angeles, California· 90067
`· · · · · T:· (310) 277-1010
`15· · · · F:· (310) 203-7199
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`·1· · · · · · · · · INDEX OF EXAMINATION
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`·2· ·WITNESS:· DAVID FORSYTH, Ph.D.
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`·4· ·EXAMINATION· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·PAGE
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`·5· ·By Mr. Yannuzzi· · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·5
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`·6· ·By Mr. Glucoft· · · · · · · · · · · · · · 161
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`·1· · · · · · · · · · INDEX TO EXHIBITS
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`·2· ·EXHIBITS· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·MARKED
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`·3· ·1001· · United States Patent No. US· · · · 21
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`·5· · · · · ·Forsyth, Ph.D.
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`·6· ·2004· · Curriculum Vitae.· · · · · · · · · ·6
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`·7· ·2007· · Concise Oxford English· · · · · · 160
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`· · ·2010· · Corrected Declaration of David· · ·11
`·9· · · · · ·Forsyth, Ph.D., in Support of
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`·1· · · · · · · · LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA
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`·4· · · · · · · · · DAVID FORSYTH, Ph.D.,
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`·5· · · · · · · having been first duly sworn,
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`·8· · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
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`·9· ·BY MR. YANNUZZI:
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`10· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Good morning.
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`11· · · · · · ·A.· ·Good morning.
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`12· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Could you please state your name
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`13· ·for the record.
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`14· · · · · · ·A.· ·My name is David Alexander Forsyth.
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`15· · · · · · ·Q.· ·And do you understand that you are
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`16· ·giving your testimony today under oath?
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`17· · · · · · ·A.· ·I do.
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`18· · · · · · ·Q.· ·And what does that mean to you?
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`19· · · · · · ·A.· ·That means that I need to tell the
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`20· ·truth fully and honorably.
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`21· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Have you had your deposition taken
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`22· ·before?
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`23· · · · · · ·A.· ·I have been deposed before, yes.
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`24· · · · · · ·Q.· ·How many times?
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`25· · · · · · ·A.· ·I believe it is three times, but I
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`·1· ·would have to refer to my CV to be correct -- to
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`·2· ·be certain.
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`·3· · · · · · ·Q.· ·And in those instances, do you
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`·4· ·recall whether you were -- were those IPR
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`·5· ·proceedings, or were those district court
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`·6· ·proceedings?
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`·7· · · · · · ·A.· ·I believe one proceeding was an ITC
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`·8· ·proceeding.· I believe one was a district court
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`·9· ·and one was an IPR, but again I would have to
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`10· ·check my CV to be certain.· It was some time ago.
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`11· · · · · · ·Q.· ·I will hand you a copy of
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`12· ·Exhibit 2004.
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`13· · · · · · ·(Exhibit No. 2004, having been
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`14· · · · · · ·marked for identification, is
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`15· · · · · · ·attached hereto.)
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`16· · · · · · · · · THE WITNESS:· Excellent.
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`17· ·BY MR. YANNUZZI:
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`18· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Go ahead and take a moment to
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`19· ·review that and see if that helps to clarify your
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`20· ·recollection as to the instances in which you have
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`21· ·given testimony.
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`22· · · · · · ·A.· ·So I know I have given testimony
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`23· ·because under consulting activities it describes
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`24· ·testimony for Foley & Lardner which was an ITC,
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`25· ·and I was deposed in that.· And I assume that was
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`·1· ·an ITC deposition.· Maybe -- don't keep track of
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`·2· ·the precise details of the legal structure of the
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`·3· ·cases.· The Sheridan and Ross matter did not
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`·4· ·involve deposition.· The Fish & Richardson work,
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`·5· ·there were several cases going on at the same
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`·6· ·time, and I cannot recollect firmly whether both
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`·7· ·depositions were district court dispositions or
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`·8· ·one was IPR and one was district court, but I
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`·9· ·believe one was IPR and one was district court.
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`10· · · · · · ·Q.· ·And in those Fish & Richardson
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`11· ·depositions, were you representing the patent
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`12· ·owner?
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`13· · · · · · ·A.· ·I believe I was -- no -- I was
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`14· ·representing -- I was engaged by the side that was
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`15· ·being sued for infringement, and they were also
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`16· ·alleging invalidity of the patents involved.
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`17· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Okay.· And referring to No. 13
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`18· ·under consulting activities in Exhibit 2004, it
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`19· ·says consultant, Irell & Manella.
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`20· · · · · · · · · That's this particular case that
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`21· ·you are giving testimony in today; is that
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`22· ·correct?
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`23· · · · · · ·A.· ·I believe that's this particular
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`24· ·case, although I think there are several IPRs
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`25· ·associated with this case.
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`·1· · · · · · ·Q.· ·There are three if I am correct.
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`·2· · · · · · ·A.· ·Right.
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`·3· · · · · · · · · MR. GLUCOFT:· That's right.
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`·4· ·BY MR. YANNUZZI:
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`·5· · · · · · ·Q.· ·I am going to label a new exhibit
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`·6· ·1035.· Give you a copy of that.
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`·7· · · · · · ·(Exhibit No. 1035 was marked for
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`·8· · · · · · ·identification by the shorthand
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`·9· · · · · · ·reporter and is attached hereto.)
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`10· ·BY MR. YANNUZZI:
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`11· · · · · · ·Q.· ·What I have just handed you as
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`12· ·Exhibit 1035 is a notice of deposition for you to
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`13· ·appear to give your testimony today in this IPR.
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`14· · · · · · · · · Have you seen this document before?
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`15· · · · · · ·A.· ·I believe I have not seen this
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`16· ·document before.
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`17· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Have you -- are you familiar with
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`18· ·the -- let's put that aside for a moment.
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`19· · · · · · · · · Is there any reason today why you
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`20· ·are not able to give complete and accurate
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`21· ·testimony?
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`22· · · · · · ·A.· ·I believe the answer is no.
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`23· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Are you certain?· You said you
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`24· ·"believe."· Are you certain you are able to give
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`25· ·accurate testimony?
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`·1· · · · · · ·A.· ·I am confident I can give accurate
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`·2· ·testimony.
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`·3· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Thank you.
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`·4· · · · · · · · · I am going to ask you, as you know,
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`·5· ·a series of questions.· If for any reason you
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`·6· ·don't understand the question that I am going to
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`·7· ·ask you, feel free to tell me and ask me to
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`·8· ·rephrase or let me know you don't understand.
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`·9· · · · · · ·A.· ·I will do that.
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`10· · · · · · ·Q.· ·If you need a break at any time,
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`11· ·let me know.· Of course if it's a convenient or
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`12· ·appropriate time to take a break, we will take a
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`13· ·break.
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`14· · · · · · ·A.· ·Thank you.
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`15· · · · · · ·Q.· ·What did you do to prepare for your
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`16· ·deposition today?
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`17· · · · · · ·A.· ·I read a series of documents. I
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`18· ·read -- I re-read the Bond patent.· I re-read my
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`19· ·declaration in support.· I looked briefly at a
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`20· ·variety of other documents, mostly documents with
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`21· ·insights in that report -- I'm sorry -- detailed
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`22· ·citations in that report.· I reviewed briefly the
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`23· ·deposition testimony of Carlos Vazquez, and I had
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`24· ·conversations with the attorney.
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`25· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Did you have conversations with
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`·1· ·anyone besides the attorney?
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`·2· · · · · · ·A.· ·No.· I understand that's meant to
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`·3· ·be confidential.
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`·4· · · · · · ·Q.· ·And when you say "the attorney," do
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`·5· ·you mean --
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`·6· · · · · · ·A.· ·Mr. Glucoft.
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`·7· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Perfect.· And in this IPR, the
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`·8· ·subject of this deposition today, you are giving
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`·9· ·testimony on behalf of Prime; is that correct?
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`10· · · · · · ·A.· ·I believe that's correct.· I was
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`11· ·engaged by the law firm and have not paid very
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`12· ·much attention as to who is disputing with whom.
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`13· · · · · · ·Q.· ·So do you know who owns the patent
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`14· ·that is the subject of this IPR proceeding?
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`15· · · · · · ·A.· ·I believe in one legal document I
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`16· ·reviewed there was some dispute on this matter,
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`17· ·but I didn't pay it very much attention.· So I
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`18· ·think the short answer is no.· I don't really
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`19· ·know.
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`20· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Have you heard of a company called
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`21· ·Prime Focus VFX Services?
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`22· · · · · · ·A.· ·The name rings a bell.· I might
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`23· ·have seen the name in a document but not to pay
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`24· ·serious attention to it.
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`25· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Have you ever been engaged by Prime
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`·1· ·Focus VFX Services at any time prior to your work
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`·2· ·with this IPR?
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`·3· · · · · · ·A.· ·Not with any conscious knowledge on
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`·4· ·my part.· They might have backed somebody else and
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`·5· ·engaged me, but I wasn't aware of it if that
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`·6· ·happened.
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`·7· · · · · · ·(Exhibit No. 2010, having been
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`·8· · · · · · ·marked for identification, is
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`·9· · · · · · ·attached hereto.)
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`10· ·BY MR. YANNUZZI:
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`11· · · · · · ·Q.· ·I am going to hand you what is
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`12· ·marked as Exhibit 2010.
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`13· · · · · · ·A.· ·Thank you.
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`14· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Take a moment to page through that
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`15· ·document.
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`16· · · · · · ·A.· ·Thank you.
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`17· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Do you recognize the document?
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`18· · · · · · ·A.· ·I recognize the document.
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`19· · · · · · ·Q.· ·And can you tell me what that
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`20· ·document is?
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`21· · · · · · ·A.· ·The document is the corrected
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`22· ·declaration of David Forsyth in support of patent
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`23· ·owner's response and motion to amend.
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`24· · · · · · ·Q.· ·And you are familiar with that
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`25· ·document?
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`·1· · · · · · ·A.· ·Moderately, yes.
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`·2· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Did you write that document?
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`·3· · · · · · ·A.· ·I wrote sections of the document in
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`·4· ·consultation with a variety of people.· The
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`·5· ·document contains my opinions, and I proofread the
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`·6· ·document carefully and read the final version of
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`·7· ·the document and corrected the final version of
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`·8· ·the document as well.
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`·9· · · · · · ·Q.· ·You said you wrote sections of the
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`10· ·document in consultation with a variety of people.
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`11· · · · · · · · · Who were those people?
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`12· · · · · · · · · MR. GLUCOFT:· Objection; privilege.
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`13· · · · · · · · · THE WITNESS:· I believe I discussed
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`14· ·the document with Mr. Glucoft.· "A variety of
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`15· ·people" is not formally correct.· I believe
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`16· ·Mr. Glucoft is the only person I discussed it
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`17· ·with.
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`18· ·BY MR. YANNUZZI:
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`19· · · · · · ·Q.· ·You said you wrote sections of the
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`20· ·document.· Which sections did you write?
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`21· · · · · · · · · MR. GLUCOFT:· Objection; privilege
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`22· ·and I instruct the witness not to answer.
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`23· · · · · · · · · MR. YANNUZZI:· That is not
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`24· ·privileged information.· I am asking him what he
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`25· ·wrote.· What he wrote is not privileged.
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`·1· · · · · · · · · MR. GLUCOFT:· Then your predecessor
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`·2· ·has already set precedent for what they considered
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`·3· ·privileged in Mr. Vazquez's deposition.· If you
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`·4· ·are asserting that that is not proper to assert
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`·5· ·privilege over, then certainly we have issues with
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`·6· ·the way that Mr. Vazquez's deposition was handled
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`·7· ·as well.· We had effectively agreed to treat that
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`·8· ·as privilege.
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`·9· · · · · · · · · MR. YANNUZZI:· I wasn't part of it,
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`10· ·and I am not familiar with those.
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`11· · · · · · · · · MR. GLUCOFT:· That may be the case,
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`12· ·but your predecessor counsel certainly was, and in
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`13· ·fact there is still a lead counsel as far as I am
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`14· ·aware.
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`15· · · · · · · · · MR. YANNUZZI:· Let's put that aside
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`16· ·for now.· I will consult with them during a break,
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`17· ·and we can come back to it.
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`18· ·BY MR. YANNUZZI:
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`19· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Are there any errors in
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`20· ·Exhibit 2010, based on your review?
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`21· · · · · · ·A.· ·Based on my review, I am not aware
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`22· ·of or conscious of errors in the document.· There
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`23· ·may be errors that I am not aware of.
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`24· · · · · · ·Q.· ·And you reviewed Exhibit 2010
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`25· ·before -- let me ask you another question first.
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`·1· ·Strike that.
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`·2· · · · · · · · · If you turn to the signature page
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`·3· ·on Exhibit 2010, it bears a typewritten signature
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`·4· ·as opposed to a handwritten signature; is that
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`·5· ·correct?
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`·6· · · · · · ·A.· ·It bears a typewritten signature.
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`·7· ·Yes, that's correct.
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`·8· · · · · · ·Q.· ·And did you affix the typewritten
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`·9· ·signature to this document?
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`10· · · · · · ·A.· ·I did affix the typewritten
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`11· ·signature to this document.
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`12· · · · · · ·Q.· ·So you reviewed Exhibit 2010 before
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`13· ·you affixed your typewritten signature to this
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`14· ·document; is that correct?
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`15· · · · · · ·A.· ·I reviewed Exhibit 2010 before I
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`16· ·affixed my signature, yes, that's correct, and I
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`17· ·reviewed it afterwards as well.
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`18· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Okay.· So to the extent that there
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`19· ·might be any errors in Exhibit 2010, you have had
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`20· ·many opportunities to find them; is that correct?
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`21· · · · · · ·A.· ·I have had many opportunities to
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`22· ·find errors in the document.· Yes, that's correct.
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`23· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Approximately how much time did you
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`24· ·spend preparing Exhibit 2010?
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`25· · · · · · ·A.· ·I really can't answer that without
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`·1· ·looking at my records.· Approximately -- many
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`·2· ·hours; tens, not hundreds.· Maybe tens of hours,
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`·3· ·something of that sort.
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`·4· · · · · · ·Q.· ·So more than ten and less than a
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`·5· ·hundred?
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`·6· · · · · · ·A.· ·Significantly less than a hundred
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`·7· ·and unlikely to have been much more than ten.
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`·8· · · · · · ·Q.· ·There are a number of illustrations
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`·9· ·in Exhibit 2010.· Do you see those?
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`10· · · · · · ·A.· ·There are, indeed, a number of
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`11· ·illustrations in Exhibit 2010.
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`12· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Did you prepare those illustrations
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`13· ·that are in Exhibit 2010?
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`14· · · · · · ·A.· ·I did not prepare any of the
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`15· ·illustrations in Exhibit 2010.
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`16· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Exhibit 2010 is referred to as a
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`17· ·corrected declaration.
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`18· · · · · · · · · So Exhibit 2010 was submitted to
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`19· ·correct your original declaration; is that a
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`20· ·correct statement?
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`21· · · · · · ·A.· ·That's a correct statement.
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`22· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Why was it necessary to submit a
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`23· ·corrected declaration?
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`24· · · · · · ·A.· ·I believe the issue is as follows:
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`25· ·That the paragraph at the end of Exhibit 2010
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`·1· ·declaring that all statements made herein to
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`·2· ·patent issuing thereon was omitted from the
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`·3· ·original submission.· I believe there was some
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`·4· ·discussion between counsel on the case of whether
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`·5· ·this was appropriate or not, and something
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`·6· ·happened with PTAB.· A corrected version of the
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`·7· ·document including this was then signed I believe
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`·8· ·electronically and I believe also with ink by me.
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`·9· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Are there any other changes between
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`10· ·your original declaration and this corrected
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`11· ·declaration?
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`12· · · · · · ·A.· ·I believe that's everything.
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`13· ·The -- there are no other changes in content or
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`14· ·opinion that I am aware of.· I checked both
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`15· ·documents against each other.
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`16· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Thank you.· Your CV,
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`17· ·Exhibit 2004 -- strike that.
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`18· · · · · · · · · Your declaration, actually,
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`19· ·Exhibit 2010, references that you have studied and
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`20· ·worked in the field of computer vision; is that a
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`21· ·correct statement?
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`22· · · · · · ·A.· ·That's correct.
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`23· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Can you tell us what computer
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`24· ·vision is?
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`25· · · · · · ·A.· ·Yes.· You may want to tell me how
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`·2· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Enough to give us a sense for the
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`·3· ·types of things that are encompassed by the field
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`·4· ·of computer vision.
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`·5· · · · · · ·A.· ·It's an extremely broad field that
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`·6· ·attempts to understand methods and techniques for
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`·7· ·interpreting pictures and video and occasionally
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`·8· ·depth images or images from thermal cameras or
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`·9· ·unconventional cameras.
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`10· · · · · · · · · The things you might do with those
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`11· ·images include recognize objects in the images,
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`12· ·find objects in the images, label images as to
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`13· ·scene or class, build geometric reconstructions of
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`14· ·things that you see in the images of the video,
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`15· ·change or modify the images, add color to the
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`16· ·images, remove color from the images, reason about
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`17· ·what people are doing in the images, those kinds
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`18· ·of things.
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`19· · · · · · · · · It's tricky to summarize.· I wrote
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`20· ·the leading textbook, and there is about 800 pages
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`21· ·thereon.
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`22· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Which textbook is that?
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`23· · · · · · ·A.· ·That textbook is Computer Vision:
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`24· ·A Modern Approach.· That's co-written with Jean
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`25· ·Ponce.· There are two editions, and it appears in
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`·2· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Does that textbook that you are
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`·3· ·representing address the topic of transforming 2D
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`·4· ·images into 3D images?
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`·5· · · · · · ·A.· ·That's a question that's extremely
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`·6· ·difficult to answer from memory.· You are asking
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`·7· ·me to remember a book that the most recent edition
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`·8· ·was six years ago.
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`·9· · · · · · · · · I believe the answer is yes.· There
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`10· ·is detailed discussion of stereoscopic geometry of
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`11· ·reconstruction.· I think there is single-image
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`12· ·depth-reconstruction stuff in there.
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`13· · · · · · · · · I need a copy of the book to be
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`14· ·crisp, but the answer I believe is yes.
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`15· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Does the field of computer vision
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`16· ·encompass systems and processes for transforming a
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`17· ·2D image into a stereoscopic pair of images?
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`18· · · · · · ·A.· ·This is a question of opinion.
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`19· ·Different people have different opinions about
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`20· ·what the field of computer vision encompasses. I
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`21· ·believe the answer is yes.
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`22· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Are you familiar yourself with
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`23· ·systems and processes of transforming 2D images
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`24· ·into 3D images?
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`25· · · · · · · · · MR. GLUCOFT:· Objection; form.
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`·1· · · · · · · · · THE WITNESS:· So for me to give you
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`·2· ·a precise answer, you would need to be precise
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`·3· ·about what you meant by "3D images."
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`·4· ·BY MR. YANNUZZI:
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`·5· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Are you familiar with the 628
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`·6· ·patent that is the subject of this IPR proceeding?
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`·7· · · · · · ·A.· ·The 628 patent, the Bond patent?
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`·8· · · · · · ·Q.· ·That's correct.
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`·9· · · · · · ·A.· ·Yes, I am familiar with that, the
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`10· ·Bond patent.
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`11· · · · · · ·Q.· ·And we can refer to that as the
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`12· ·Bond patent; is that okay?
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`13· · · · · · ·A.· ·That will work for me.· Thank you.
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`14· · · · · · ·Q.· ·So you are familiar with the Bond
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`15· ·patent?
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`16· · · · · · ·A.· ·I am familiar with the Bond patent.
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`17· · · · · · ·Q.· ·So as the term "3D images" is used
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`18· ·in the Bond patent, are you yourself familiar with
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`19· ·the process of transforming 2D images into 3D
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`20· ·images?
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`21· · · · · · ·A.· ·Yes.· Yes, I am familiar with the
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`22· ·process of transforming 2D images into 3D images.
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`23· · · · · · ·Q.· ·When is the first time you saw the
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`24· ·Bond patent?
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`25· · · · · · ·A.· ·When did I first see the Bond
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`·1· ·patent?· I think sometime last year.· I think the
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`·2· ·first time I saw it was when the attorneys
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`·3· ·contacted me, which would have been sometime last
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`·4· ·year.
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`·5· · · · · · ·Q.· ·So you didn't see the Bond patent
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`·6· ·before you were contacted by Irell & Manella; is
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`·7· ·that correct?
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`·8· · · · · · ·A.· ·No.
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`·9· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Prior to that time that you first
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`10· ·saw the Bond patent, were you familiar with
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`11· ·processes of transforming 2D images into 3D
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`12· ·images, again using the term "3D images" as it's
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`13· ·used in the Bond patent?
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`14· · · · · · ·A.· ·Yes, I was, although there is a
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`15· ·very creative step in the Bond patent that I had
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`16· ·not seen before.
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`17· · · · · · ·Q.· ·And what step is that?
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`18· · · · · · ·A.· ·The creative step is the divorce of
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`19· ·that process from direct reasoning about 3D
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`20· ·geometry.
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`21· · · · · · ·Q.· ·And can you elaborate on that
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`22· ·answer?
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`23· · · · · · ·A.· ·I think it would be helpful to have
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`24· ·a copy of the Bond patent in front of me.
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`25· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Certainly.· I will hand you what is
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`·1· ·marked as Exhibit 1001.· And it's U.S. Patent
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`·2· ·Number 8,988,628, which we have been referring to
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`·3· ·as the Bond patent.
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`·4· · · · · · ·(Exhibit No. 1001, having been
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`·5· · · · · · ·marked for identification, is
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`·6· · · · · · ·attached hereto.)
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`·7· · · · · · · · · THE WITNESS:· Passing around the
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`·8· ·documents, I have lost track of the question.
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`·9· ·BY MR. YANNUZZI:
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`10· · · · · · ·Q.· ·So you said -- you testified a
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`11· ·moment ago -- I'm sorry.· I can't find your
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`12· ·answer.· You were explaining what you thought was
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`13· ·a very, in your words, unique process that the
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`14· ·Bond patent set forth.· I don't want to put words
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`15· ·in your mouth, but I asked you to elaborate on
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`16· ·what that is.
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`17· · · · · · ·A.· ·I believe I said "creative step."
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`18· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Thank you.
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`19· · · · · · ·A.· ·At the bottom of Column 4 and the
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`20· ·top of Column 5, there is a paragraph in Bond
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`21· ·which says:
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`22· · · · · · · · ·"I would like to make 3D
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`23· · · · · · ·images without explicit reference
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`24· · · · · · ·to 3D geometry.· There is no need
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`25· · · · · · ·to recreate the image by creating
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`·1· · · · · · ·3D geometry or recreating
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`·2· · · · · · ·objects.· This is substantially
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`·3· · · · · · ·different from other methods."
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`·4· · · · · · · · · That's a novel and creative view,
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`·5· ·and I believe I had not seen it expressed before.
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`·6· ·BY MR. YANNUZZI:
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`·7· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Can you tell me what line number
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`·8· ·you were reading from --
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`·9· · · · · · ·A.· ·I'm sorry.· Bottom of Column -- the
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`10· ·paragraph starts at the bottom of Column 4 at
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`11· ·Line 63.· The quote I reproduced was from halfway
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`12· ·through the paragraph which is in Column 5 at
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`13· ·Line 6.· "There is no need to recreate."· And the
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`14· ·two best sentences encompassing that view are the
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`15· ·"there is no need to recreate" sentence and the
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`16· ·"substantially different," the following sentence.
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`17· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Prior to the time that you were
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`18· ·exposed to the Bond patent, have you had
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`19· ·experience with transforming 2D images into 3D
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`20· ·images?· And again through this questioning, I am
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`21· ·going to use "3D images" as that term is used in
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`22· ·the Bond patent.
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`23· · · · · · ·A.· ·I believe the answer is yes.· Yes,
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`24· ·in a variety of papers and publications.
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`25· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Can you tell me a little bit about
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`·1· ·some of those, or maybe you can highlight them in
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`·2· ·your CV?
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`·3· · · · · · ·A.· ·So there is certainly a general
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`·4· ·discussion of stereopsis and 3D reconstruction in
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`·5· ·both editions of my textbook.· The papers about
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`·6· ·reconstruction of 3D from images, Paper 2, "Shape
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`·7· ·from shading in the light of mutual illumination,"
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`·8· ·it's a very old paper.
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`·9· · · · · · · · · Paper 5, under "Journal Articles,"
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`10· ·"Reflections on Shading."
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`11· · · · · · · · · Paper 10, "Recognizing Algebraic
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`12· ·Surfaces From Their Outlines," under the "Journal
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`13· ·Papers."
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`14· · · · · · · · · Somewhat in Paper 24 under the
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`15· ·"Journal Papers," "Building models of animals from
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`16· ·video," somewhat.
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`17· · · · · · · · · Paper 31 under the "Journal
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`18· ·Papers," "Variable Source Shading Analysis."
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`19· · · · · · · · · Paper 39 under the "Journal
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`20· ·Papers," "ConstructAide," et cetera.
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`21· · · · · · · · · Paper 40 under the "Journal
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`22· ·Papers," "Automatic scene inference."
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`23· · · · · · · · · There we go.· Sorry.
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`24· · · · · · · · · Paper 33 under the "Journal
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`25· ·Papers," "Rendering synthetic objects."
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`·1· · · · · · · · · Then we have a list of 130
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`·2· ·conference papers.· We can go through them one by
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`·3· ·one.
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`·4· · · · · · ·Q.· ·No need.· This is good.
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`·5· · · · · · · · · Do you consider yourself to be one
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`·6· ·of ordinary skill in the art in the field of
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`·7· ·transforming 2D images into 3D images?
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`·8· · · · · · ·A.· ·I believe I certainly meet the
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`·9· ·standards that were agreed in the declaration,
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`10· ·which would make me one -- at least one of
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`11· ·ordinary skill in the art.
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`12· · · · · · ·Q.· ·Have you ever designed a system
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`13· ·that transforms a two-dimensional image into 3D
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`14· ·images?
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`15· · · · · · ·A.· ·Have I ever designed a system? I
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`16· ·think that depends a little bit on what you mean
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`17· ·by "system."· If you mean by "system" something
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`18· ·that is deployed and used by people in the
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`19· ·industry, the answer is no.· If you mean by
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`20· ·"system" a demonstration program that can do so on
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`21· ·a variety of images that is then published in a
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`22· ·paper, the answer is yes.· I have even written
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`23· ·some of the code for such systems.
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`24· · · · · · ·Q.· ·You mentioned a demonstration
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`25· ·system.· Was there more than one demonstration
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