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`Teleconference Hearing
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`FOR PETITIONER:
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`Mr. David W. O'Brien
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`HAYNES AND BOONE, LLP
`600 Congress Avenue
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`Austin, Texas 78701
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`AHMAD, ZAVITSANOS, ANAIPAKOS, ALAVI, MENSING, P.C.
`1221 McKinney Street
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`Phone: 713.655.1101
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`period for noticing the appeal has not expired, we
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`JUDGE CLEMENTS: Okay.
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`MR. ANJOM: Yes, Your Honor.
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`JUDGE CLEMENTS: Okay. Mr. O'Brien, would
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`JUDGE CLEMENTS: Okay. Yeah.
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`anything else, Mr. Anjom, you would like to add before
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`I —— before we go on mute here and the Panel confers?
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`MR. ANJOM: No, Your Honor.
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`MR. ANJOM: Yeah, Your Honor. As far as
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`JUDGE CLEMENTS: Okay. Very good.
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