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` UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
` _______________
` BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`LUYE PHARMA GROUP LTD., LUYE PHARMA (USA) LTD., SHANDONG
` LUYE PHARMACEUTICAL CO., LTD., and NANJING LUYE
` PHARMACEUTICAL CO., LTD.,
` Petitioners,
` v.
` ALKERMES PHARMA IRELAND LTD and ALKERMES CONTROLLED
` THERAPEUTICS, INC.,
` Patent Owners
` _______________
` Case IPR2016-01096
` U.S. Patent No. 6,667,061
` _______________
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` TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS
` June 30, 2017
` 12:01 p.m.
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`Reported by:
`Mark Arndt, CSR, CCR, RPR
`Job No. 51176
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`ALKERMES Exh. 2080
`Luye v. Alkermes
`IPR2016-1096
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` The aforementioned proceedings were
` reported by Mark Arndt, a Certified Shorthand
` Reporter and Certified Court Reporter, at Arndt
` Reporting & Legal Video, 2714 Glauber Road, in the
` City of Millstadt, State of Illinois, commencing at
` approximately 12:01 p.m. Central Standard Time on
` June 30, 2017.
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`DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC.
`450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 500, New York, NY 10123 1.800.642.1099
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` A P P E A R A N C E S
` (All parties present via teleconference)
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` Judge Lora M. Green
` Judge Robert A. Pollock
` Judge Jacqueline T. Harlow
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` Attorneys for Petitioners:
` Lerner David Littenberg Krumholz &
` Mentlik, LLP
` 600 South Avenue West
` Westfield, NJ 07090
` (908) 654-5000
` BY: PAUL H. KOCHANSKI, ESQ.
` pkochanski@lernerdavid.com
` TEDD W. VAN BUSKIRK, ESQ.
` tvanbuskirk@lernerdavid.com
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` A P P E A R A N C E S (CONT'D)
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` Attorneys for Patent Owners:
` Fitzpatrick, Cella, Harper & Scinto
` 1290 Avenue of the Americas
` New York, NY 10104-3800
` (212) 218-2100
` BY: HA KUNG WONG, ESQ.
` hwong@fchs.com
` MELINDA ROBERTS, ESQ.
` mroberts@fchs.com
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` JUDGE GREEN: It's my understanding
` that patent owner requested this call to discuss the
` scope of petitioner's reply. Patent owner, would
` you like to begin.
` MR. WONG: Of course. Yes. Thank you,
` Your Honor. First of all, we'd like to thank Judge
` Green, Judge Pollock, Judge Harlow for being
` available on short notice to discuss this with us,
` and we also like to thank Mr. Kochanski and Mr. Van
` Buskirk for speaking to us earlier and being
` available for this conference call.
` So Your Honors, it actually is my
` pleasure to note that we actually had an opportunity
` to speak again with the petitioner's counsel, and we
` made a proposal for how to submit these issues
` vis-a-vis our concern of new arguments and the
` reply, and I believe that we've come to an agreement
` as to how to do that, but of course we want to
` present that to you and see if this is the way you
` would like to proceed or if you'd like to proceed in
` a different way.
` In addition to that, if you have
` additional questions regarding what new arguments or
` any of the issues in the matter, we're happy to
` discuss that as well, but I'm happy to start with
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` JUDGE GREEN: I would like to know what
` you agreed upon. Yes.
` MR. WONG: Okay. So what we had
` discussed was a procedure that we've seen used in
` other IPRs with regard to concerns for new arguments
` and replies, and that was a short paper which
` includes an identification of those new arguments by
` page number and/or paragraph number, whichever is
` much -- whichever is more specific -- short
` description.
` And what we discussed with the
` petition -- the counsel for petitioner -- was that
` we would limit that to two sentences in which we
` would describe or at least put in context why we
` believe that is a new argument, and then in turn we
` would allow for the counsel for petitioner to file a
` similar document, again similarly limited to two
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` JUDGE GREEN: So petitioner will be
` filing a similar argument to show where it was in
` the original petition or to just point out why it's
` not -- or where they're responding to something and
` -- I guess I'm not sure what petitioner is going to
` be filing.
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` MR. WONG: Yes, I believe that they
` would -- we would be fine with them using those two
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` not a new argument or why they believe it was a
` proper reply.
` MR. KOCHANSKI: And where it is, Your
` Honor.
` JUDGE GREEN: And that's always very
` helpful. So both patent owner and petitioner agree
` to this?
` MR. WONG: Yes, Your Honor.
` MR. KOCHANSKI: Petitioner does agree
` to this. Yes, Your Honor.
` JUDGE GREEN: And then when are the
` parties thinking about doing this briefing?
` MR. WONG: We are anticipating having
` that in to the board by July 14th, no later than
` July 14th.
` JUDGE GREEN: And when would
` petitioners be back -- or are you talking about both
` briefings?
` MR. WONG: We're just talking about our
` paper, Your Honor.
` JUDGE GREEN: Okay. Petitioner?
` MR. KOCHANSKI: The 21st, Your Honor.
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` remember when we have oral hearing scheduled.
` MR. KOCHANSKI: Oral hearing isn't
` until August 28th, Your Honor.
` JUDGE GREEN: Okay. So we're fine.
` Thank you. It's been a busy morning. Let me put
` you on hold for one second and make sure this is
` okay with my panel, and I will get back to you in
` one second. Thank you.
` MR. KOCHANSKI: Thank you, Your Honor.
` MR. WONG: Thank you.
` [A brief recess was taken.]
` JUDGE GREEN: This is Judge Green. Do
` I still have counsel for patent owner on the line?
` MR. WONG: Yes, Your Honor.
` JUDGE GREEN: And do I still have
` counsel for petitioner on the line?
` MR. KOCHANSKI: Yes, Your Honor.
` JUDGE GREEN: Okay. We are agreeable
` to your suggestion and your date. I will not write
` an order for this because we do have the transcript,
` which patent owner is going to be submitting, so I
` don't think we need to have an order memorializing
` this. Do you have any questions for me right now,
` patent owner?
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`450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 500, New York, NY 10123 1.800.642.1099
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` MR. WONG: No, Your Honor. Thank you
` very much.
` JUDGE GREEN: Petitioner?
` MR. KOCHANSKI: No, Your Honor. Thank
` you very much and we thank the panel very much.
` JUDGE GREEN: And we thank you for
` working this out between yourselves. It always
` makes it much easier on us. So thank you very much.
` Enjoy your holiday. And this call is adjourned.
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`DAVID FELDMAN WORLDWIDE, INC.
`450 Seventh Avenue - Ste 500, New York, NY 10123 1.800.642.1099
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