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`·1· · · · · · · IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
`·2· · · · · · · · ·FOR THE DISTRICT OF DELAWARE
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`·4· ·M2M SOLUTIONS LLC, a Delaware· ·)
`· · ·limited liability company,· · · )
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`· · · · · · · Plaintiff,· · · · · · ·)
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`· · · · · · · vs.· · · · · · · · · · )· C.A. No. 12-033-RGA
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`· · ·MOTOROLA SOLUTIONS, INC., a· · ·)
`·8· ·Delaware corporation, TELIT· · ·)
`· · ·COMMUNICATIONS PLC, a United· · )
`·9· ·Kingdom public limited company, )
`· · ·and TELIT WIRELESS SOLUTIONS· · )
`10· ·INC., a Delaware corporation,· ·)
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`11· · · · · · Defendants.· · · · · · )
`· · ·_______________________________ )
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`15· · · · ·VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF ALON KONCHITSKY, PH.D.
`16· · · · · · · · · · · Palo Alto, California
`17· · · · · · · · · · ·Wednesday, May 27, 2015
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`23· Reported By:
`24· Hanna Kim, CLR, CSR No. 13083
`25· Job No.: 10016566
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`·1· · · · · · · IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
`·2· · · · · · · · ·FOR THE DISTRICT OF DELAWARE
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`·4· ·M2M SOLUTIONS LLC, a Delaware· ·)
`· · ·limited liability company,· · · )
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`· · · · · · · Plaintiff,· · · · · · ·)
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`· · ·MOTOROLA SOLUTIONS, INC., a· · ·)
`·8· ·Delaware corporation, TELIT· · ·)
`· · ·COMMUNICATIONS PLC, a United· · )
`·9· ·Kingdom public limited company, )
`· · ·and TELIT WIRELESS SOLUTIONS· · )
`10· ·INC., a Delaware corporation,· ·)
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`11· · · · · · Defendants.· · · · · · )
`· · ·_______________________________ )
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`15· · · · · ·Videotaped deposition of ALON KONCHITSKY,
`16· PH.D., taken on behalf of the Telit Defendants, at the
`17· law offices of Paul Hastings LLP, located at 1117
`18· California Avenue, Palo Alto, California 94304, on
`19· Wednesday, May 27, 2015, beginning at 9:08 a.m. and
`20· ending at 7:07 p.m., before Hanna Kim, Certified
`21· LiveNote Reporter, Certified Shorthand Reporter, CSR
`22· No. 13083.
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`·3· For Plaintiff M2M Solutions LLC:
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`·3· For Defendants Enfora and the Novatel Wireless:
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`·4· · · · · · FOLEY & LARDNER LLP
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`·4· · · · · · PAUL HASTINGS LLP
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`·5· · · · · · BY:· MARC N. HENSCHKE, ESQ.
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`·5· · · · · · BY:· ELIZABETH L. BRANN, ESQ.
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`·6· · · · · · 111 Huntington Avenue
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`·7· · · · · · Boston, Massachusetts 02199-7610
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`·7· · · · · · 4747 Executive Drive, 12th Floor
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`·8· · · · · · 617.342.4000
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`·8· · · · · · San Diego, California 92121
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`·9· · · · · · mhenschke@foley.com
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`·9· · · · · · 858.458.3025
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`10· · · · · · -and-
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`10· · · · · · elizabethbrann@paulhastings.com
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`11· · · · · · BY:· JEFFREY N. COSTAKOS, ESQ.
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`12· For Defendant Sierra Wireless:
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`13· · · · · · Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53202-5306
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`13· · · · · · NIXON PEABODY LLP
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`14· · · · · · 414.297.5580
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`14· · · · · · BY:· RONALD F. LOPEZ, ESQ.
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`15· · · · · · jcostakos@foley.com
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`16· · · · · · One Embarcadero Center
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`17· For Defendants Telit:
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`17· · · · · · San Francisco, California 94111
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`18· · · · · · PEARL COHEN ZEDEK LATZER BARATZ LLP
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`18· · · · · · 415.984.8200
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`19· · · · · · BY:· GUY YONAY, ESQ.
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`19· · · · · · rflopez@nixonpeabody.com
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`20· · · · · · · · ·MILO EADAN
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`21· · · · · · 1500 Broadway, 12th Floor
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`21· Also Present:
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`22· · · · · · DAVID MANZO, Videographer
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`23· · · · · · 646.878.0800
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`24· · · · · · gyonay@pearlcohen.com
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`·1· · · · · · · · · · INDEX OF EXAMINATION
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`·3· WITNESS:· ALON KONCHITSKY, PH.D.
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`·3· ·Exhibit 4· ·"Expert Report of Kimmo Savolainen· · ·42
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`·4· EXAMINATION· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · PAGE
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`·4· · · · · · · ·on the Invalidity of U.S. Patent
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`·5· · · · · · ·BY MR. YONAY:· · · · · · · · · ·8, 253, 259
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`·5· · · · · · · ·No. 8,094,010; 58 pages
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`·6· · · · · · ·BY MR. HENSCHKE:· · · · · · · 251, 257, 260
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`·6· ·Exhibit 5· ·"Claim Construction Order;" 3 pages· · 55
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`·7· ·Exhibit 6· ·"Expert Report of Dr. Seth James· · · ·76
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`·8· · · · · · · ·Nielson on the Invalidity of U.S.
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`·9· · · · · · · · · · ·INDEX OF EXHIBITS
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`·9· · · · · · · ·Patent No. 8,094,010; 13 pages
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`10· ·Exhibit 7· ·Copy of U.S. Patent No. 6,463,474;· · ·85
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`11· ·DEPOSITION EXHIBITS· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · PAGE
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`11· · · · · · · ·24 pages
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`12· ·Exhibit 1· ·Copy of U.S. Patent No. 8,094,010;· · ·27
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`12· ·Exhibit 8· ·PCT application publication number· · 154
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`13· · · · · · · ·Bates nos. M2M 0001516 through
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`13· · · · · · · ·WO 0017021; 20 pages
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`14· · · · · · · ·'1534
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`14· ·Exhibit 9· ·GSM 11.14, Version 7.3.0, Release· · ·165
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`15· ·Exhibit 2· ·"Rebuttal Expert Report of Dr. Alon· · 36
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`15· · · · · · · ·1998; 102 pages
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`16· · · · · · · ·Konchitsky Responsive to the
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`16· ·Exhibit 10· GSM 11.11, Version 7.2.0, Release· · ·165
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`17· · · · · · · ·Savolainen Report Regarding the
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`17· · · · · · · ·1998; 134 pages
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`18· · · · · · · ·Alleged Invalidity of the '010
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`18· ·Exhibit 11· GSM 07.07, Version 7.3.0, Release· · ·172
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`19· · · · · · · ·Patent;" 396 pages
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`19· · · · · · · ·1998; 126 pages
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`20· ·Exhibit 3· ·"Rebuttal Expert Report of Dr. Alon· · 36
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`20· ·Exhibit 12· Chapter from GSM and Personal· · · · ·182
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`21· · · · · · · ·Konchitsky Responsive to the
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`21· · · · · · · ·Communications Handbook
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`22· · · · · · · ·Nielson Report Regarding the
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`22· Original deposition exhibits maintained by Counsel.
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`23· · · · · · · ·Alleged Invalidity of the '010
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`24· · · · · · · ·Patent;" 33 pages
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`·6· · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· Time on the record is
`·7· 9:08 a.m.· Today's date is May 27th, 2015.
`·8· · · · · ·My name is David Manzo of Aptus Court
`·9· Reporting.· The court reporter today is Hanna Kim of
`10· Aptus Court Reporting.
`11· · · · · ·This begins the video recorded deposition of
`12· Alon Konchitsky, testifying in the matter of M2M
`13· Solutions, LLC versus Enfora Inc. et al, Telit et al.,
`14· and Sierra et al., pending in the United States
`15· District Court for the District of Delaware.· The case
`16· number is 12-033-RGA.· This deposition is being taken
`17· at Paul Hastings, LLC in Palo Alto, California.
`18· · · · · ·The video and audio recordings will take place
`19· at all times during this deposition unless all counsel
`20· agree to go off the record.· The beginning and end of
`21· each video recording will be announced.
`22· · · · · ·Will counsel please identify yourselves and
`23· state whom you represent.
`24· · · · · ·MR. YONAY:· Guy Yonay of Pearl Cohen for
`25· Telit.
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`·1· · · · · ·MR. EADAN:· Milo Eadan for Telit.
`·2· · · · · ·MR. COSTAKOS:· Jeff Costakos, Foley & Lardner,
`·3· for M2M.
`·4· · · · · ·MR. HENSCHKE:· Marc Henschke, Foley & Lardner,
`·5· for Plaintiff M2M Solutions.
`·6· · · · · ·THE VIDEOGRAPHER:· The court reporter may
`·7· now -- may now swear in or affirm the deponent.
`·8· · · · · · · · · ALON KONCHITSKY, PH.D.,
`·9· having been administered an oath, was examined and
`10· testified as follows:
`11· · · · · · · · · · · · EXAMINATION
`12· BY MR. YONAY:
`13· · · ·Q.· Good morning, Dr. Konchitsky.
`14· · · ·A.· Good morning.
`15· · · ·Q.· How are you?
`16· · · ·A.· I'm fine.· Thank you.
`17· · · ·Q.· Good.
`18· · · · · ·Have you been deposed before?
`19· · · ·A.· Yes.
`20· · · ·Q.· Okay.· So you know the ground rules, but I'll
`21· repeat them for you, and let me know if anything is
`22· unclear to you.
`23· · · ·A.· Sure.
`24· · · ·Q.· I will ask you questions, and you will do your
`25· best to answer them under oath.· If anything in my
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`·1· question is not clear to you, please let me know.· If
`·2· there's something -- a word that I've used or something
`·3· in my question that you don't understand that makes you
`·4· unable to answer the question, please let me know and I
`·5· will try to rephrase it.
`·6· · · · · ·Is that clear?
`·7· · · ·A.· Yes, I will.
`·8· · · ·Q.· All your answers should be verbal, meaning
`·9· spoken out loud rather than by gestures, so that the
`10· court reporter can record your full answers.
`11· · · · · ·Is that clear?
`12· · · ·A.· Yes.
`13· · · ·Q.· Good.
`14· · · · · ·Can you describe briefly your educational
`15· background?
`16· · · ·A.· Yes.· I got an electrical engineering degree,
`17· then -- in computer science, then a master's in
`18· management, and then a Ph.D.· Also went through a
`19· postgraduate studies in CDMA engineering.
`20· · · ·Q.· Okay.· Could you tell me at which institutions
`21· each of those were from?
`22· · · ·A.· Sure.
`23· · · · · ·The first one from Tel Aviv Institute of
`24· Technology.
`25· · · ·Q.· The first one is?
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`·1· military service.· I'm from Israel.· And in Israeli,
`·2· people need to go to military service.· It's mandatory.
`·3· I have been selected out of a -- I would say
`·4· 2000 -- 30 2000 students or -- or high school graduates to
`·5· go to college before military service, so I served as
`·6· an engineer in the air force and later in the
`·7· intelligence, so that's where I started to develop
`·8· telecommunications systems.
`·9· · · · · ·And later, I worked for -- in a few other
`10· places, like DSB Communications, that was acquired by
`11· Intel, and then I actually worked for Intel, and then
`12· Nokia.· And after that, I worked for IP valuations and
`13· noise-free wireless.· And recently, Patent Hive.
`14· · · ·Q.· In those positions you described, did you work
`15· with programming telecommunications devices?
`16· · · ·A.· I developed telecommunication devices, yes.
`17· · · ·Q.· So, for example, at Nokia, did you develop
`18· telecommunications device?
`19· · · ·A.· At Nokia, I started as a system design and
`20· integration engineer, so I actually integrated
`21· different layers of a protocol stack.
`22· · · ·Q.· And that protocol stack is at the base station
`23· of the mobile?
`24· · · ·A.· The mobile.
`25· · · ·Q.· In the mobile station?
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`·1· · · ·A.· The electrical engineering.
`·2· · · · · ·The computer science from the Academic College
`·3· of Tel Aviv University.· The master's is from
`·4· Bournemouth University.· The Ph.D.· from Bournemouth
`·5· University.· And CDMA engineering from University of
`·6· California at San Diego.
`·7· · · ·Q.· The Academic College you mentioned where you
`·8· got your computer science degree, is that Tel Aviv
`·9· University?
`10· · · ·A.· It's the Academic College of Tel Aviv
`11· University.· It's a college that teaches particular
`12· sciences of Tel Aviv University.
`13· · · ·Q.· But that's different from the university
`14· itself, right?
`15· · · ·A.· It is located in a different place; yes.
`16· · · ·Q.· And the university offers a bachelor's degree
`17· in computer science separate from the Academic College,
`18· right?
`19· · · ·A.· Yes.
`20· · · ·Q.· Okay.· So your degree is from the Academic
`21· College, not from Tel Aviv University, right?
`22· · · ·A.· Yes.
`23· · · ·Q.· Can you describe briefly your work experience
`24· as it relates to telecommunications?
`25· · · ·A.· Yes.· I actually went to college before
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`·1· · · ·A.· Yes.
`·2· · · ·Q.· And was that for telephones, mobile
`·3· telephones?
`·4· · · ·A.· Yes, Nokia mobile phones for telephones.
`·5· · · ·Q.· Did that involve machine-to-machine devices?
`·6· · · ·A.· At the beginning, it was mainly standard,
`·7· which is called 3GBP2, so did not include
`·8· machine-to-machine.
`·9· · · ·Q.· And at some point, did it -- did it -- did you
`10· work on developing machine-to-machine devices?
`11· · · ·A.· At Nokia, I mainly -- has been educated about
`12· the machine-to-machine market and -- but that was in --
`13· in later stage.· Yes.
`14· · · ·Q.· So at -- at any of the companies that you've
`15· worked at, did you work with developing
`16· machine-to-machine communication devices?
`17· · · ·A.· I -- at Nokia, I learned about the market, but
`18· my particular work was not very specific to
`19· machine-to-machine development.
`20· · · ·Q.· You wrote in your report that, while you were
`21· at Nokia, you managed product programs that were
`22· developing machine-to-machine terminal platforms and
`23· related software.· What is that referring to?
`24· · · ·A.· Can I see this, please?
`25· · · ·Q.· We will introduce this as an exhibit at a
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`·1· later stage, but since you asked to refer to it to
`·2· refresh your recollection, I can point to what I was
`·3· reading to, which is at page 5.
`·4· · · · · ·MR. HENSCHKE:· This is the --
`·5· · · · · ·MR. YONAY:· Sorry.
`·6· · · · · ·MR. HENSCHKE:· -- OPA rebuttal invalidity
`·7· report?
`·8· · · · · ·MR. YONAY:· Thank you.
`·9· · · · · ·For the record, I've handed Dr. Konchitsky his
`10· rebuttal report responsive to the Savolainen report.
`11· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· So it says, "I began my career
`12· at Nokia as a systems design and integration engineer."
`13· That's what I just said before.· And that was for the
`14· different layers of the protocol stack of the 3GPB2
`15· standard.
`16· BY MR. YONAY:
`17· · · ·Q.· But that was for -- that was for mobile
`18· phones, you said, right?
`19· · · ·A.· Yes.· Yeah, absolutely.
`20· · · ·Q.· Okay.· So what does that have to do with
`21· machine-to-machine platforms?
`22· · · ·A.· So later, it says here, "In that capacity, I
`23· successfully managed product programs that were
`24· developing machine-to-machine terminal platforms and
`25· related software."
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`·1· · · ·A.· That was the program for developing the actual
`·2· software in -- the software and the hardware in
`·3· the -- in the phone itself.· Those phones have the
`·4· ability to be communicating with a -- external
`·5· terminals, and that's just been the part that was
`·6· related to M2M.
`·7· · · ·Q.· Did your work involve the aspect of the phones
`·8· that had to do with the machine-to-machine
`·9· functionality?
`10· · · ·A.· No, no.· The software -- the software
`11· development that -- has those capabilities, but not
`12· in -- I didn't work on any machine-to-machine
`13· particular solutions.
`14· · · ·Q.· So nothing in what you did at Nokia was
`15· specifically directed to machine-to-machine
`16· communications?
`17· · · ·A.· No.· It was able to support it, but not
`18· directly to machine-to-machine.
`19· · · ·Q.· And what you did at Nokia was able to support
`20· machine-to-machine in the same way that it supported
`21· voice communications?
`22· · · ·A.· I mainly focused on -- on data communications.
`23· So to that extent, I would say no.· No, because voice
`24· was the main -- as every cell phone, voice is the main
`25· function of a phone.· In later years, it became voice
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`·1· · · ·Q.· So I've asked you to explain what that means.
`·2· · · ·A.· And -- and in that sense, it says that "I
`·3· supervised the development of Nokia's mobile platforms,
`·4· which involving C code writing," and so on and so
`·5· forth.
`·6· · · · · ·So in this particular part, the -- and for
`·7· your question, managed product programs that were
`·8· developing machine-to-machine terminal platforms and
`·9· related software, that was the -- the part that was
`10· integrating those protocol stacks, different layers
`11· into the Nokia chips.· So what happened before with
`12· Nokia, because it was so -- so big and -- as I
`13· mentioned, in -- I think over 60 percent of the -- of
`14· the market share, Nokia wasn't the one that really
`15· defined and -- and even led the design for their
`16· baseband and radio chipsets.
`17· · · ·Q.· Do -- do you remember my question?· Do you
`18· understand what I'm asking you?
`19· · · ·A.· Yes.· You asked --
`20· · · ·Q.· I'm asking you for your experience in
`21· machine-to-machine communication device design based on
`22· your report.· I haven't heard anything you've said that
`23· indicates experience in machine-to-machine design.· So
`24· what in -- what you did at Nokia was directed to
`25· machine-to-machine communications?
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`·1· and data.· And I would say that at that time frame, it
`·2· might have been able to -- to work in some capacity
`·3· into machine-to-machine.
`·4· · · ·Q.· So you worked on the protocol stack that had
`·5· to do with data communications, and some of that
`·6· communications was all types of data and some of it
`·7· could have been machine-to-machine communications?
`·8· · · ·A.· That's correct.
`·9· · · ·Q.· And did the data communications exist prior to
`10· the machine-to-machine applications?
`11· · · ·A.· I -- I don't think so.· I think the data --
`12· data was -- so I would say it this way:· I think that
`13· data and machine-to-machine has been progressed
`14· together.
`15· · · ·Q.· Is an SMS message a type of data
`16· communication?
`17· · · ·A.· It depends when.· In -- sometimes data could
`18· be -- could be over a voice communication.· That's how
`19· they start -- standards has been.
`20· · · · · ·MR. YONAY:· Could you read back my question,
`21· please?
`22· BY MR. YONAY:
`23· · · ·Q.· Again, if you don't understand my question,
`24· let me know and I'll rephrase it.
`25· · · ·A.· Okay.
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`·1· · · · · ·THE COURT REPORTER:· "Question:· Is an
`·2· · · · · ·SMS message a type of data
`·3· · · · · ·communication?"
`·4· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I don't know the answer to that.
`·5· BY MR. YONAY:
`·6· · · ·Q.· What about my question is not clear?
`·7· · · ·A.· SMS is a -- I can explain what SMS is about,
`·8· but maybe if you be more specific, what do you mean by
`·9· data and what do you mean by -- is a part of data.
`10· Because, you know, how would you define data and --
`11· · · ·Q.· You're the expert.· How would you define data?
`12· · · ·A.· So if I consider different types of a --
`13· characters or -- or text messages as data, so SMS would
`14· contain pieces of data.· So if that's what you meant, I
`15· would consider that yes.· But that's the reason I -- I
`16· would appreciate if you would define it so it wouldn't
`17· be so vague and --
`18· · · ·Q.· Like -- no.· So to the extent a data message
`19· or data communication includes characters, SMS is a
`20· data communication, correct?
`21· · · ·A.· That's correct.
`22· · · ·Q.· Okay.· Are you aware of a definition of data
`23· that does not include characters?
`24· · · ·A.· I might or might not.· At the moment,
`25· I -- I -- I don't remember.· There might or might not.
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`·1· · · ·A.· And when you say "that time," do you mean --
`·2· · · ·Q.· '98 time frame.
`·3· · · ·A.· '98?· Let me try to remember which phone I had
`·4· in like, you know, so many years ago, 17 years ago.
`·5· One -- one moment, please.
`·6· · · · · ·In '98 -- so I'm trying to recall which
`·7· operators have been then and if they were GSM or CDMA.
`·8· You know what, I don't recall which --
`·9· · · ·Q.· No?
`10· · · ·A.· -- phone I had in '98.
`11· · · ·Q.· Where --
`12· · · ·A.· I think it was a -- yeah, I do not recall
`13· which phone I had in '98.
`14· · · ·Q.· Where did you work for Nokia?· What location?
`15· · · ·A.· In United States.
`16· · · ·Q.· Okay.· I see.
`17· · · · · ·And when you were in DSPC, you were in Israel,
`18· correct?
`19· · · ·A.· That's correct.
`20· · · ·Q.· And Israel operates GSM networks?
`21· · · ·A.· Israel operates GSM networks, that's right.
`22· · · ·Q.· At that time, it operated GSM networks,
`23· correct?
`24· · · ·A.· I just do not recall.
`25· · · ·Q.· Okay.· That's fine.
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`·1· · · ·Q.· Typically, data communication includes
`·2· characters, correct?
`·3· · · ·A.· Typically -- yeah, typically that's correct.
`·4· · · ·Q.· So under the typical definition, an SMS
`·5· message is a data communication, correct?
`·6· · · ·A.· Again, if the data is defined this way, and
`·7· SMS is a particular message that particularly transfers
`·8· those characters or contains those characters, so yes.
`·9· Yeah.
`10· · · ·Q.· And data communication that enabled SMS
`11· messages existed prior to your work at Nokia in 2001,
`12· correct?
`13· · · ·A.· I think so, yes.
`14· · · ·Q.· And it existed prior to the late '90s, as
`15· well, right?
`16· · · ·A.· Yep.· Yeah, I think so.
`17· · · ·Q.· So in -- certainly in, say, 1998, data
`18· communications, networks that allowed for SMS messages
`19· between mobile phones, existed, correct?
`20· · · ·A.· I -- I think that if I recollect well, so --
`21· yes.· Yeah, I think that I could have got text messages
`22· in the years -- in the particular year that you
`23· mentioned.
`24· · · ·Q.· And in that time -- you, for example, had a
`25· GSM phone at that time?
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`·1· · · · · ·Are you familiar with GSM?
`·2· · · ·A.· Oh, yes.· Absolutely.
`·3· · · ·Q.· Okay.· And the GSM standard in 1998 allowed
`·4· for SMS communications?
`·5· · · ·A.· Yes, yes.· That, I recall for sure.· In
`·6· regards to the actual particular carrier, no.
`·7· · · ·Q.· I'm sure your discussions with Mr. Henschke
`·8· before this clarified this, but I will tell you, as
`·9· well, if there's no question pending, there's no need
`10· to -- unless there's something you'd like to clarify in
`11· your previous answer, there is no need to answer
`12· anything when there is not a question pending.
`13· · · ·A.· Okay.
`14· · · ·Q.· You've listed a number of patents that you
`15· included in your expert report.· And, again, it's not
`16· an exhibit, but I'd like to direct you to page 4 in
`17· your CV, towards the back.
`18· · · · · ·Do you see a list of selected patents?
`19· · · ·A.· Yes, I do.
`20· · · ·Q.· Are these all patents on which you are a
`21· listed inventor?
`22· · · ·A.· Let me just go one by one to make sure that
`23· there isn't any typo or something.· But I believe, yes,
`24· but let me just go one by one to verify.
`25· · · ·Q.· Let me direct you to one you've already passed
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`·1· over, U.S. Patent No. 8,249,515.
`·2· · · ·A.· Yeah, that's the one I actually am still
`·3· holding my finger on.
`·4· · · ·Q.· Okay.· Let me ask you about that one.· Are you
`·5· an inventor of that patent?
`·6· · · ·A.· I do not recognize that.· I think that that
`·7· has been slipped here by mistake.
`·8· · · ·Q.· Let me show you again, without introducing
`·9· this into evidence, a copy of that patent number.· Do
`10· you see that the title is "Mobile Communication Device
`11· With Rotating Earpiece"?
`12· · · ·A.· Yes, I see that.
`13· · · ·Q.· And does that correspond to the listed patent
`14· in your CV?
`15· · · ·A.· Yes.
`16· · · ·Q.· Are you a listed inventor of this patent?
`17· · · ·A.· No.
`18· · · ·Q.· Okay.
`19· · · ·A.· This has been probably a typo or has been in
`20· there by mistake.
`21· · · ·Q.· Other than that -- no need to continue.
`22· That's my only question on that list.
`23· · · ·A.· Okay.· But by the way, I went through all the
`24· others and --
`25· · · ·Q.· I don't have questions about the others.
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`·1· · · ·Q.· And is it your belief that your rebuttal
`·2· report to Dr. Nielson's report on invalidity of the
`·3· '010 Patent is a full and complete description of your
`·4· opinions on his report?
`·5· · · ·A.· Yes.
`·6· · · · · ·MR. HENSCHKE:· Just like to state for the
`·7· record that Mr. Savolainen also subsequently filed a
`·8· reply report in which he raised many additional new
`·9· arguments, and obviously those can't -- couldn't
`10· possibly have been addressed in Dr. Konchitsky's
`11· rebuttal report, which came before it.
`12· · · · · ·MR. YONAY:· Other than the fact that he
`13· submitted a reply report after the Savolainen report?
`14· · · · · ·MR. HENSCHKE:· Yes, other than that.
`15· · · · · ·MR. YONAY:· Sorry.· Never mind.· That --
`16· that's not an objection.· Let's -- let's skip that.
`17· BY MR. YONAY:
`18· · · ·Q.· In preparing your rebuttal report, did you
`19· review the file history of the '010 Patent?
`20· · · ·A.· Yes.
`21· · · ·Q.· And did you review the file history of its
`22· parent application, the '197 Patent?
`23· · · ·A.· Yes.
`24· · · ·Q.· Did you have any discussions at any time with
`25· Dr. Nettleton, M2M's infringement expert witness?
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`·1· Let's save time.
`·2· · · ·A.· Okay.· No problem.
`·3· · · ·Q.· Other than that, is there anything that's come
`·4· to light since you wrote your rebuttal report in this
`·5· case that you currently believe was mistaken or in any
`·6· way inaccurate?
`·7· · · ·A.· I don't understand your question.
`·8· · · ·Q.· My question is -- you wrote a rebuttal report
`·9· in July 2014.
`10· · · ·A.· Right.
`11· · · ·Q.· That's many months ago.
`12· · · · · ·My question to you is whether, in the time
`13· since you signed that report, you've come to realize
`14· that anything you wrote in this report is in any way
`15· incorrect or inaccurate?
`16· · · ·A.· Not that I remember, no.
`17· · · ·Q.· There's nothing that, in reviewing
`18· Mr. Savolainen or Dr. Nielson's reports, that made you
`19· want to correct anything in your report?
`20· · · ·A.· No.
`21· · · ·Q.· Okay.· Do you feel that your rebuttal report
`22· to Mr. Savolainen is a complete description of your
`23· opinions in connection with Mr. Savolainen's report on
`24· invalidity of the '010 Patent?
`25· · · ·A.· Yes.
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`·1· · · ·A.· No, I didn't.
`·2· · · ·Q.· Did you have discussions at any time with
`·3· Richard Bero, one of M2M Solutions' damages experts?
`·4· · · ·A.· I don't.· I do remember that there has been
`·5· one damages expert that -- he -- he referred to my
`·6· report, so he asked me a question, but I forgot his
`·7· name.· He asked me one technical question about my
`·8· report.· So I did have a communication with one of
`·9· them, but I don't remember --
`10· · · ·Q.· Does the name Richard Bero or Whitey Bluestein
`11· ring a bell?
`12· · · ·A.· I would need to take a look on my -- one of my
`13· reports, because I mentioned their names.· And I just
`14· don't remember if I just answered one of their
`15· questions, so -- so I had a chance to -- to -- I
`16· remember that there has been a very short phone call
`17· where one of the -- I call him the financial expert.
`18· He asked me a question, a technical question.
`19· · · ·Q.· What was the question?
`20· · · ·A.· It was something about one of the -- one of
`21· the mechanisms of -- of one of the systems, one of the
`22· structures of -- excuse me, of one of the same patents.
`23· And so -- but I do not recall the actual conversation.
`24· I just remember that we talked about something that
`25· relates to one of the structures, and I think this was
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`·1· relating to security.
`·2· · · ·Q.· Okay.· What do you recall about talking to one
`·3· of the damages experts about security in connection
`·4· with the '010 Patent?
`·5· · · ·A.· I do recall that there was a -- a
`·6· conversation, and I -- I do not recall more than
`·7· whatever I specified in -- in one of my reports at the
`·8· moment.
`·9· · · ·Q.· The rebuttal report to Mr. Savolainen that you
`10· submitted has to do with invalidity based on prior art,
`11· correct?
`12· · · · · ·MR. HENSCHKE:· Do you have a copy of that to
`13· show him?
`14· · · · · ·MR. YONAY:· It's a general question.
`15· BY MR. YONAY:
`16· · · ·Q.· My question to you is, you've reviewed
`17· Mr. Savolainen's report on invalidity to the '010
`18· Patent, correct?
`19· · · ·A.· That's correct.
`20· · · ·Q.· And the general subject of Mr. Savolainen's
`21· report was the prior art to the '010 Patent, correct?
`22· · · ·A.· That's correct.
`23· · · ·Q.· Okay.· And your rebuttal report had to do with
`24· responding to his opinions on invalidity, based on
`25· prior art, correct?
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`·1· does or does not infringe the '010 Patent?
`·2· · · ·A.· I don't.
`·3· · · ·Q.· Have you reviewed any possible design-arounds
`·4· to the '010 -- to the Telit device to determine whether
`·5· a device-around would or would not infringe the '010
`·6· Patent?
`·7· · · ·A.· No, I don't.
`·8· · · ·Q.· Let's put that aside for the moment and start
`·9· with the '010 Patent.
`10· · · · · ·MR. YONAY:· I'd like to mark as Exhibit 1,
`11· U.S. Patent No. 8,094,010.
`12· · · · · ·(Konchitsky Deposition Exhibit 1 was
`13· · · · · ·marked.)
`14· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Thank you.
`15· BY MR. YONAY:
`16· · · ·Q.· Are you familiar with this patent?
`17· · · ·A.· I recognize this patent, yes.
`18· · · ·Q.· This is the patent on which you've provided
`19· your rebuttal reports on invalidity?
`20· · · ·A.· Yes, it is.
`21· · · ·Q.· You understand that, in determining whether a
`22· patent is valid or invalid, a Court looks to the claim
`23· of the patent?
`24· · · ·A.· Yes.
`25· · · ·Q.· At least with respect to prior art, correct?
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`·1· · · ·A.· Yes, that's correct.
`·2· · · ·Q.· And do you recall a report of Dr. Nielson
`·3· having to do with invalidity of the '010 Patent?· It's
`·4· not a memory test.· You do or you don't remember, it's
`·5· okay.
`·6· · · ·A.· No, I remember a report from a Dr. Nielson,
`·7· but if that was an invalidity report, I -- I don't
`·8· think so, but I don't remember at the moment, so I'm
`·9· not certain.
`10· · · ·Q.· Okay.· Have you --
`11· · · ·A.· If you have his report, I can --
`12· · · ·Q.· I will do that.
`13· · · ·A.· Sure.
`14· · · ·Q.· Like I said, it's not a memory test.
`15· · · · · ·Have you, in any of your reports, expressed
`16· any opinion about infringement of the '010 Patent?
`17· · · ·A.· No, no.
`18· · · ·Q.· Do you have any opinions about whether any of
`19· Telit's products infringed the '010 Patent?
`20· · · ·A.· I haven't expressed my opinion in writing
`21· about infringement.
`22· · · ·Q.· Have you expressed your opinion orally about
`23· infringement?
`24· · · ·A.· Not that I remember, no.
`25· · · ·Q.· Do you have an opinion about whether Telit
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`·1· · · ·A.· That's correct.
`·2· · · ·Q.· Have a look at Claim 1, please, at column 12.
`·3· And you see that Claim 1 recites a programmable
`·4· communicator device?
`·5· · · ·A.· I do.
`·6· · · ·Q.· And do you know what I'm referring to when I
`·7· talk about the elements of the claim?
`·8· · · ·A.· I do.
`·9· · · ·Q.· Okay.· So the claimed communicator device of
`10· Claim 1 has a wireless communication circuit, correct?
`11· · · ·A.· Wireless communication circuit for
`12· communicating through an antenna over a communication
`13· network.
`14· · · ·Q.· Right.
`15· · · ·A.· That's correct.
`16· · · ·Q.· Okay.· And I don't mean to rephrase, but I'm
`17· just trying to summarize the elements of the patent,
`18· and then we can talk about the various other
`19· limitations on the elements.· But just to summarize the
`20· elements, Claim 1 has the wireless communication
`21· circuit, correct?
`22· · · ·A.· A wireless communication circuit for
`23· communicating through an antenna over a communications
`24· network, correct.
`25· · · ·Q.· Okay.· And it has an identity module?
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`·1· · · ·A.· An identity module for storing a unique
`·2· identifier that is unique to the programmable
`·3· communicator device.
`·4· · · ·Q.· Okay.· Can we call that the identity module?
`·5· Do we have to say "for storing a unique" -- every time
`·6· we say identity module?· Can we just call it an
`·7· identity module for short?
`·8· · · ·A.· I would prefer that we say the all.
`·9· Otherwise, if we just say "the identity module" -- I
`10· would prefer that we say "the identity module in
`11· isolation," because then we'll start to argue about the
`12· English and --
`13· · · ·Q.· No, I don't think we'll argue about the
`14· English.· And if we recite the entire claim limitations
`15· of every element, we'll be here well into the evening.
`16· For example, there is a processing module that spans
`17· over ten lines.· We're not going to say "processing
`18· module for authenticating," et cetera, every time we
`19· say "processing module."
`20· · · ·A.· I see.· Okay.· I'll --
`21· · · ·Q.· Okay.
`22· · · ·A.· -- I'll do my best.
`23· · · ·Q.· Thank you.
`24· · · ·A.· I don't promise, but I'll do my best.
`25· · · ·Q.· I understand.
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`·1· · · ·A.· Yes.
`·2· · · ·Q.· Is the monitored technical device part of the
`·3· programmable communicator device?
`·4· · · ·A.· No.
`·5· · · ·Q.· Okay.· So you