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`RPX Exhibit 1199
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`·1· · · ·UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
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`·2· · · ·BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`·3· · · · · · · · · Case IPR2015-01750
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`·4· · · · · · · · · Patent 8,484,111 B2
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`·5· · · · Case IPR2015-10751, Case IPR2015-01752
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`·6· · · · · · · · · Patent 7,356,482 B2
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`·7· ·- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -x
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`·8· ·RPX CORPORATION,
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`·9· · · · · · · · Petitioner,
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`10· · · · · · · · v.
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`11· ·APPLICATIONS IN INTERNET TIME, LLC,
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`12· · · · · · · · Patent Owner.
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`13· ·- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -x
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`14· · · · · · · · · · VIA TELEPHONE
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`15· ·Before· The Honorable Mitchell Weatherly
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`16· · · · · ·The Honorable Lynne Pettigrew
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`17· · · · · ·The Honorable Jennifer Meyer Chagnon
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`19· ·Date:· April 23, 2019
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`21· ·Time:· 11:01 a.m. (EST)
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`23· ·Court Reporter:· Daria L. Romano, RPR, CRR
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`·1· ·A P P E A R A N C E S:
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`·3· · · · WOLF, GREENFIELD & SACKS, P.C.
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`·4· · · · (by Richard Giunta, Esq. and
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`·5· · · · Elisabeth H. Hunt, Ph.D., Esq.)
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`·6· · · · 600 Atlantic Avenue
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`·7· · · · Boston, Massachusetts 02210
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`·8· · · · (617) 646-8000
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`·9· · · · rich.giunta@wolfgreenfield.com
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`10· · · · elisabeth.hunt@wolfgreenfield.com
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`11· · · · Counsel for the Petitioner.
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`13· · · · SOCAL IP LAW GROUP LLP
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`14· · · · (by Steven C. Sereboff, Esq.)
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`15· · · · 310 North Westlake Boulevard, Suite 120
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`16· · · · Thousand Oaks, California 91362
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`17· · · · (805) 230-1350
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`18· · · · ssereboff@socalip.com
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`19· · · · Counsel for the Patent Owner.
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`·1· · · · · · · · ·P R O C E E D I N G S
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`·2· · · · · · · · JUDGE CHAGNON:· This is a
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`·3· ·conference call today for cases IPR2015-01750,
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`·4· ·01751 and 07152.
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`·5· · · · · · ·Petitioner requested this conference
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`·6· ·call as a prehearing conference to discuss
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`·7· ·topics that the board was most interested in
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`·8· ·hearing about at that hearing later this week.
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`·9· · · · · · ·Just initially, a little bit of
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`10· ·housekeeping for the hearing, I just want to
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`11· ·remind everybody that the hearing will be closed
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`12· ·to the public, just so we don't have to worry
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`13· ·about discussing confidential information during
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`14· ·the hearing.
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`15· · · · · · ·So just a heads-up to everyone, I will
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`16· ·be asking counsel for both parties at the
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`17· ·hearing to confirm on the record that everyone
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`18· ·that's with them there in the room has
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`19· ·acknowledged the protective order and is
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`20· ·authorized to access the confidential
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`21· ·information.· So just a heads-up on that, please
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`22· ·be prepared to confirm those things for us on
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`23· ·Thursday.
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`24· · · · · · ·And do we foresee there being any
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`·1· ·problems in that regard for either party?
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`·2· · · · · · · · MR. GIUNTA:· Not for petitioner,
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`·3· ·Your Honor.
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`·4· · · · · · · · MR. SEREBOFF:· And not for the
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`·5· ·patent owner.
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`·6· · · · · · · · JUDGE CHAGNON:· Okay.· Great.
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`·7· ·Thank you.· I just wanted to get that out of the
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`·8· ·way in advance, if there were going to be any
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`·9· ·issues.
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`10· · · · · · ·So we're having this call to kind of
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`11· ·highlight the topics for discussion during the
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`12· ·hearing.· I know these things are also addressed
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`13· ·in the recent briefing papers, but some of the
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`14· ·topics that we thought might be most helpful to
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`15· ·discuss at the hearing were, one, what is the
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`16· ·test that we should apply for determining
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`17· ·whether Salesforce is a real party in interest;
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`18· ·and similarly, what is the test we should apply
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`19· ·for privity.
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`20· · · · · · ·Also, with respect to the privity
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`21· ·issue, we'd like to hear from the parties, you
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`22· ·know, is this issue waived, or does the Federal
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`23· ·Circuit remand decision instruct us that we must
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`24· ·consider privity, or if not, should we consider
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`·1· ·it in any case.· So we'll kind of address those
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`·2· ·issues.
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`·3· · · · · · ·Something else we'd like to give the
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`·4· ·parties the opportunity to discuss, even though
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`·5· ·it wouldn't have been addressed in your
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`·6· ·briefing, is we recently designated the VenTek
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`·7· ·decision as precedential.· I know both parties
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`·8· ·discussed that decision, but if there's any
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`·9· ·other implications that, you know, may come up,
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`10· ·given that it's a now precedential decision,
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`11· ·that you would like to address, feel free to
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`12· ·address that in the hearing in addition to what
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`13· ·was already discussed in your briefing papers
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`14· ·with regard to that decision.
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`15· · · · · · ·And then we'd also just like you to
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`16· ·use your time to highlight for us the most
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`17· ·important facts and, importantly, the record
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`18· ·evidence that supports those facts that you
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`19· ·think best support your position in the issues
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`20· ·that are at play still in this case.
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`21· · · · · · ·And then just more generally, be
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`22· ·prepared to answer very specific questions about
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`23· ·the record that we may have for you.
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`24· · · · · · ·So those are some of the, basically,
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`·1· ·big issues that we thought would be most helpful
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`·2· ·to discuss during the hearing.· Of course, it's
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`·3· ·your presentation, so feel free to talk about
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`·4· ·anything that you think is relevant and supports
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`·5· ·your case, and be prepared for us to interrupt
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`·6· ·with questions.
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`·7· · · · · · ·Did either party have any questions or
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`·8· ·anything else that they wanted to discuss during
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`·9· ·this call today?
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`10· · · · · · · · MR. GIUNTA:· Petitioner does, Your
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`11· ·Honor.
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`12· · · · · · · · JUDGE CHAGNON:· Okay.
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`13· · · · · · · · MR. GIUNTA:· So what you've laid
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`14· ·out is very much in line with what we were
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`15· ·planning to do.
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`16· · · · · · ·I guess a question that we have is
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`17· ·that there are a number of issues that have been
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`18· ·raised that we will not have time to cover, and
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`19· ·should we assume that if you have -- and some of
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`20· ·these are arguments that AIT has raised that we
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`21· ·feel like we could respond to but we would not
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`22· ·sort of put forward in our straightforward
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`23· ·application of the law to the facts.· I mean, I
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`24· ·can give you a list of them, if you'd like, or
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`·1· ·should we assume that if Your Honors have any
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`·2· ·concerns about any of these issues, that you'd
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`·3· ·ask us about them.
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`·4· · · · · · · · JUDGE CHAGNON:· I think that's a
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`·5· ·fair assumption.· We obviously will be prepared
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`·6· ·and have read all the briefing and looked at the
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`·7· ·evidence before hearing, so if we have questions
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`·8· ·on anything, you can assume that we'll bring
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`·9· ·that up to both parties.
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`10· · · · · · · · MR. GIUNTA:· Okay.
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`11· · · · · · · · JUDGE CHAGNON:· Does patent owner
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`12· ·have any other questions or comments for the
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`13· ·hearing?
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`14· · · · · · · · MR. SEREBOFF:· No, thank you, Your
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`15· ·Honor.
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`16· · · · · · · · JUDGE CHAGNON:· All right.
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`17· · · · · · · · MR. GIUNTA:· There are just two
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`18· ·housekeeping questions that we have, if it would
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`19· ·be okay to raise.
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`20· · · · · · · · JUDGE CHAGNON:· Okay.
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`21· · · · · · · · MR. GIUNTA:· One is we sent Your
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`22· ·Honors an e-mail last Friday about some
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`23· ·formatting errors that we discussed in the
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`24· ·confidential versions of two exhibits that we
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`·1· ·filed that were the declarations of our
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`·2· ·witnesses.· They were formatting errors
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`·3· ·introduced by a software program that we ran on
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`·4· ·a PDF to make is text searchable, and it
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`·5· ·converted paragraph symbols and ellipses into
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`·6· ·different characters.
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`·7· · · · · · ·So we apologize for that, and we were
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`·8· ·wondering if it will be helpful to Your Honors
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`·9· ·if we filed corrected versions that might be
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`10· ·easier for you to work with.
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`11· · · · · · · · JUDGE CHAGNON:· So I just noticed
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`12· ·that when I was looking at the papers.· I don't
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`13· ·recall seeing that e-mail, so I will have to
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`14· ·double check with our trials box to make sure
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`15· ·that gets forwarded to us.
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`16· · · · · · ·Why don't I do that, and then we'll
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`17· ·respond to that e-mail and let you know the
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`18· ·answer to that question.
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`19· · · · · · ·I can tell, you know, what you
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`20· ·intended to be a paragraph symbol, so we'll
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`21· ·respond to your e-mail and let you know whether
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`22· ·we think it's helpful or not to resubmit them.
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`23· · · · · · · · MR. GIUNTA:· Okay.· Thank you, Your
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`·1· · · · · · · · JUDGE CHAGNON:· Maybe your e-mail
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`·2· ·says this -- I haven't seen it yet -- but does
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`·3· ·patent owner oppose that request?
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`·4· · · · · · · · MR. SEREBOFF:· Your Honor, patent
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`·5· ·owner does not oppose.
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`·6· · · · · · · · JUDGE CHAGNON:· Okay.· Great.
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`·7· · · · · · ·So we'll get back to you on that by
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`·8· ·e-mail or let you know at the hearing.
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`·9· · · · · · · · MR. GIUNTA:· Thank you.
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`10· · · · · · · · JUDGE CHAGNON:· Is there anything
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`12· · · · · · · · MR. GIUNTA:· There's one other sort
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`14· · · · · · ·So in preparing for the oral hearing,
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`15· ·we noted an error in a number that we have in
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`16· ·our reply brief at page 14, and this is also on
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`17· ·our demonstrative at slide 26.
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`18· · · · · · ·So there's a statement there that RPX
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`19· ·has filed 10 IPRs challenging patents not
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`20· ·asserted against any RPX number since
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`21· ·establishing its best practices guide.· And that
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`22· ·number should be six.· So there were 10 IPRs
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`23· ·listed in paragraph 28 of Mr. Chu Wong's
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`24· ·declaration which challenged patents not
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`·1· ·asserted against an RPX number, but the first
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`·2· ·set we list against ParkerVision we realize were
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`·3· ·actually filed just before the best practices
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`·4· ·guide.· So the number should be six rather than
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`·5· ·10.
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`·6· · · · · · ·It doesn't really change our
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`·7· ·fundamental point, but we wanted to call the
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`·8· ·attention to Your Honors and ask if there's
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`·9· ·anything we should do to correct the record.
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`10· · · · · · · · JUDGE CHAGNON:· Why don't you just
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`11· ·go ahead and make that kind of the same comment
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`12· ·you just made now just in the record during the
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`13· ·hearing on Thursday.
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`14· · · · · · · · MR. GIUNTA:· Okay.· We'll do that,
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`15· ·Your Honor.· Thank you.
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`16· · · · · · · · JUDGE CHAGNON:· Let me double check
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`17· ·with my panel to see if they have anything else.
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`18· ·Thank you.
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`19· · · · · · ·I think that addresses everything the
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`20· ·parties had.· If not, let me know.
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`22· · · · · · · · JUDGE CHAGNON:· Okay.· It looks
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`23· ·like there's nothing else from the panel, so
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`24· ·thank you all for taking the time for the call
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`·2· · · · · · · · MR. GIUNTA:· Thank you, Your Honor.
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`·3· · · · · · · · MR. SEREBOFF:· Thank you, Your
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`·5· · · · · · · · JUDGE CHAGNON:· Thank you.
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` 10:14 11:2
`give
` 5:3 6:24
`Great
` 4:6 9:6
`guess
` 6:16
`guide
` 9:21 10:4
`
`H
`heads-up
` 3:15,21
`hear
` 4:21
`hearing
` 3:8,10,11,14,
` 17 4:12,15
` 5:12 6:2 7:7,
` 13 9:8,14
` 10:13 11:6
`helpful
` 4:14 6:1 8:8,
` 22
`highlight
` 4:11 5:16
`Honor
` 4:3 6:11 7:15
` 9:4 10:15
` 11:2,4
`Honors
` 7:1,22 8:8,24
` 10:8
`housekeeping
` 3:10 7:18 9:13
`
`I
`implications
` 5:9
`important
` 5:17
`
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`similarly
` 4:18
`slide
` 9:17
`software
` 8:3
`sort
` 6:22 9:12
`specific
` 5:22
`statement
` 9:18
`straightforwar
`
`d
`
`6:22
`support
` 5:19
`supports
` 5:18 6:4
`symbol
` 8:20
`symbols
` 8:5
`
`T
`taking
` 10:24
`talk
` 6:3
`test
` 4:16,18
`text
` 8:4
`things
` 3:22 4:12
`thought
` 4:14 6:1
`Thursday
` 3:23 10:13
` 11:1
`time
` 5:16 6:18
` 10:24
`today
` 3:3 6:9 11:1
`topics
` 3:7 4:11,14
`trials
` 8:14
`
`importantly
` 5:17
`information
` 3:13,21
`initially
` 3:9
`instruct
` 4:23
`intended
` 8:20
`interest
` 4:17
`interested
` 3:7
`interrupt
` 6:5
`introduced
` 8:3
`IPR2015-
`01750
` 3:3
`IPRS
` 9:19,22
`issue
` 4:21,22
`issues
` 4:9 5:2,19 6:1,
` 17 7:2
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`J
`JUDGE
` 3:2 4:6 6:12
` 7:4,11,16,20
` 8:11 9:1,6,10
` 10:10,16,22
` 11:5
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`K
`kind
` 4:10 5:1 10:11
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`L
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`laid
` 6:13
`law
` 6:23
`list
` 6:24 10:2
`listed
` 9:23
`
`looked
` 7:6
`
`M
`made
` 10:12
`make
` 8:4,14 10:11
`
`N
`noted
` 9:15
`noticed
` 8:11
`number
` 6:17 9:15,20,
` 22 10:1,4
`
`O
`opportunity
` 5:4
`oppose
` 9:3,5
`oral
` 9:14
`order
` 3:19
`owner
` 4:5 7:11 9:3,5
`
`P
`panel
` 10:17,23
`papers
` 4:13 5:13 8:12
`paragraph
` 8:5,20 9:23
`Parkervision
` 10:2
`parties
` 3:16 4:21 5:4,
` 7 7:9 10:20
`party
` 4:1,17 6:7
`patent
` 4:5 7:11 9:3,4
`patents
` 9:19,24
`Pause
` 10:21
`
`PDF
` 8:4
`petitioner
` 3:5 4:2 6:10
`planning
` 6:15
`play
` 5:20
`point
` 10:7
`position
` 5:19
`practices
` 9:21 10:3
`precedential
` 5:7,10
`prehearing
` 3:6
`prepared
` 3:22 5:22 6:5
` 7:5
`preparing
` 9:14
`presentation
` 6:3
`privity
` 4:19,20,24
`problems
` 4:1
`program
` 8:3
`protective
` 3:19
`public
` 3:12
`put
` 6:22
`
`Q
`question
` 6:16 8:18 9:13
`questions
` 5:22 6:6,7 7:7,
` 12,18
`
`R
`raise
` 7:19
`raised
` 6:18,20
`
`ran
` 8:3
`read
` 7:6
`real
` 4:17
`realize
` 10:2
`recall
` 8:13
`recent
` 4:13
`recently
` 5:6
`record
` 3:17 5:17,23
` 10:9,12
`regard
` 4:1 5:14
`relevant
` 6:4
`remand
` 4:23
`remind
` 3:11
`reply
` 9:16
`request
` 9:3
`requested
` 3:5
`respect
` 4:20
`respond
` 6:21 8:17,21
`resubmit
` 8:22
`room
` 3:18
`RPX
` 9:18,20 10:1
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`S
`Salesforce
` 4:17
`searchable
` 8:4
`SEREBOFF
` 4:4 7:14 9:4
` 11:3
`set
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`V
`Ventek
` 5:6
`versions
` 7:24 8:9
`
`W
`waived
` 4:22
`wanted
` 4:7 6:8 10:7
`week
` 3:8
`witnesses
` 8:2
`wondering
` 8:8
`Wong's
` 9:23
`work
` 8:10
`worry
` 3:12
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