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`·1· · · · UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
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`·2· · · · ·BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`·3· · · · · · · · · · Case IPR2015-01752
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`·4· · · · · · · · · ·Patent 8,484,111 B2
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`·5· · · · · Case IPR2015-01751, Case IPR2015-07152
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`·6· · · · · · · · · ·Patent 7,356,482 B2
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`·7· ·______________________________________X
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`·8· ·RPX CORPORATION,
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`·9· · · · · · · · · Petitioner,
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`10· · · · · · ·vs.
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`11· ·APPLICATIONS IN INTERNET TIME, LLC,
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`12· · · · · · · · · Patent Owner.
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`13· ·______________________________________X
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`14· · · · · · · · · · · VIA TELEPHONE
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`16· ·Before:· The Honorable Scott R. Boalick
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`17· · · · · · The Honorable Jacqueline Wright Bonilla
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`18· · · · · · The Honorable Scott C. Weidenfeller
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`20· ·Date:· · Monday, May 3, 2021
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`22· ·Time:· · 1:00 p.m.
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`24· ·Court Reporter:· Valerie Rae Johnston, RPR
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`·1· ·APPEARANCES:
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`·3· ·WOLF, GREENFIELD & SACKS, PC
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`·4· ·600 Atlantic Avenue
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`·5· ·Boston, Massachusetts 02210
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`·6· ·617-720-3500
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`·7· ·By:· Richard F. GIUNTA
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`·8· · · · Elisabeth H. Hunt, Ph.D., Esq.
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`·9· · · · Counsel for the Petitioner
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`11· ·SOCAL IP LAW GROUP, LLP
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`12· ·310 North Westlake Boulevard
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`13· ·Suite 120
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`14· ·Westlake Village, California· 91362
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`15· ·805-230-1350
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`16· ·By:· Steven C. Sereboff, Esq.
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`17· · · · Counsel for the Patent Owner
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`19· ·KING & WOOD MALLESONS
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`20· ·50th Floor, 500 Fifth Avenue
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`21· ·New York, New York· 10110
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`22· ·212-319-4755
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`23· ·By:· Andrea Pacelli, Esq.
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`24· · · · Counsel for the Patent Owner
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`·1· · · · · · · · · P R O C E E D I N G S
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`·2· · · · · · JUDGE WEIDENFELLER:· Good afternoon to
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`·3· ·those on the east coast and good morning to those on
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`·4· ·the west coast.
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`·5· · · · · · This is a conference call for
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`·6· ·IPR-2015-01750, IPR-2015-01751, and IPR-2015-01752.
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`·7· · · · · · I am Vice Chief Judge Weidenfeller.· Chief
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`·8· ·Judge Boalick and Deputy Judge Bonilla are also on
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`·9· ·the line.
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`10· · · · · · Let's start with the roll call.· Who is on
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`11· ·the line for the Petitioner?
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`12· · · · · · MR. GIUNTA:· Good afternoon, Your Honor.
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`13· ·This is Rich Giunta from Wolf Greenfield for
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`14· ·Petitioner, RPX.· I'm joined on the call by my
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`15· ·colleague, Elisabeth Hunt, and we also have a court
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`16· ·reporter on the line.
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`17· · · · · · JUDGE WEIDENFELLER:· Thank you.
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`18· · · · · · And for patent owner?
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`19· · · · · · MR. SEREBOFF:· Good morning, Your Honor.
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`20· ·This is Steve Sereboff with SoCal IT Law Group for
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`21· ·Applications In Internet time.· With me, also, is
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`22· ·Andrea Pacelli from King & Wood Mallesons.
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`23· · · · · · JUDGE WEIDENFELLER:· Mr. Giunta, if you
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`24· ·could have your court reporter file the transcript
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`·1· ·as an exhibit when it becomes available, we'd
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`·2· ·appreciate that.
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`·3· · · · · · MR. GIUNTA:· We will do so, Your Honor.
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`·4· · · · · · JUDGE WEIDENFELLER:· Thank you.
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`·5· · · · · · So the purpose of this conference call is
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`·6· ·to address Petitioner's request regarding the
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`·7· ·destruction of certain documents that were produced
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`·8· ·to Patent Owner under our protective order.
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`·9· · · · · · Mr. Giunta.
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`10· · · · · · MR. GIUNTA:· Thank you, Your Honor.
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`11· · · · · · So RPX provided highly sensitive
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`12· ·confidential -- confidential information to AIT
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`13· ·solely for use in these proceedings.· The protective
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`14· ·order acknowledgement that AIT signed acknowledges
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`15· ·that AIT would, quote, use the confidential
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`16· ·information only in connection with this proceeding
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`17· ·and for no other purpose, end quote.
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`18· · · · · · These proceedings are over, and the time
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`19· ·for appeal expired on January 29th.· There is no
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`20· ·legitimate reason for AIT to retain RPX's
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`21· ·confidential information.· AIT -- AIT cannot use it
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`22· ·now or any time in the future without violating the
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`23· ·protective order acknowledgement that they signed
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`24· ·acknowledging that they would use it for no other
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`·1· ·purpose, other than these proceedings, which are
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`·2· ·over.
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`·3· · · · · · The Consolidated Trial Practice Guide at
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`·4· ·Page 115 has a provision specifically addressing
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`·5· ·disposal of confidential information after a
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`·6· ·proceeding is terminated.· It requires that, within
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`·7· ·60 days after the time for appeal has expired, a
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`·8· ·party must return or destroy the confidential
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`·9· ·information and provide a certification of
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`10· ·destruction to the party that produced it.
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`11· · · · · · We called this provision to AIT's attention
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`12· ·after the 60 day period expired, and AIT has refused
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`13· ·to comply, and, in that, we are here asking that
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`14· ·Your Honors order AIT to comply.
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`15· · · · · · RPX simply does not have confidence that
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`16· ·AIT will not misuse RPX's confidential information
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`17· ·if AIT is allowed to retain it.· The Board has
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`18· ·already sanctioned AIT once in these proceedings for
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`19· ·misusing RPX's confidential information, and any use
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`20· ·AIT might make would necessarily not be in
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`21· ·connection with these proceedings.· There's no
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`22· ·legitimate reason for AIT to retain this
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`23· ·information.
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`24· · · · · · Now, AIT wants to use this information in
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`·1· ·its lawsuit against Sales Force.· Indeed, eight days
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`·2· ·after the Board issued its decision terminating
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`·3· ·these proceedings in September of 2020, AIT added
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`·4· ·its litigation counsel, Mr. Pacelli and Mr. Whitman,
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`·5· ·as additional attorneys in these matters, and they
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`·6· ·signed the protective order granting them access to
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`·7· ·RPX's confidential information.
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`·8· · · · · · These proceedings have been ongoing for
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`·9· ·five years before AIT decided to add its litigation
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`10· ·attorneys to these matters, and AIT did so only
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`11· ·after the Board terminated the proceedings.
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`12· · · · · · Now, AIT responded to RPX's request that
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`13· ·AIT destroy copies of RPX's confidential information
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`14· ·by issuing a subpoena to RPX in the litigation
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`15· ·asking for same information.
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`16· · · · · · AIT has suggested to us that AIT should be
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`17· ·entitled to retain RPX's confidential information
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`18· ·unless and until it gains access to it in the Sales
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`19· ·Force litigation.· We disagree.
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`20· · · · · · In this email of April 16th to Your Honors,
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`21· ·AIT suggested that RPX is seeking to destroy
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`22· ·evidence that could be relevant in the Sales Force
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`23· ·litigation; so AIT should be able to preserve this
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`24· ·evidence until it is granted access to it in the
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`·2· · · · · · RPX is not taking to destroy any evidence.
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`·3· ·RPX has its own copy of this confidential
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`·4· ·information and has represented to AIT and to Your
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`·5· ·Honors that it will retain it.· All RPX is seeking
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`·6· ·is that Your Honors will order AIT to destroy the
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`·7· ·copies in AIT's possession.
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`·8· · · · · · RPX has not agreed that AIT is entitled to
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`·9· ·receive RPX's confidential information in the Sales
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`10· ·Force litigation, and that's an issue that may
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`11· ·ultimately need be resolved by the District Court.
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`12· ·Respectfully, that is not an issue for Your Honors
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`13· ·to decide.
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`14· · · · · · If RPX ever produces this information in
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`15· ·the Sales Force litigation, it would be under the
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`16· ·terms of an entirely different protective order
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`17· ·governed by the District Court.
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`18· · · · · · While that issue is being sorted out before
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`19· ·the District Court, there is no reason for AIT to
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`20· ·maintain possession of this information because AIT
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`21· ·cannot use it in any way that does -- does not
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`22· ·violate their protective order acknowledgment in
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`23· ·these proceedings.· Again, there's simply no
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`24· ·legitimate reason for AIT to retain RPX's
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`·2· · · · · · In terms of the relief we're seeking, RPX
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`·3· ·is simply asking that Your Honors order AIT to
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`·4· ·comply with the Trial Practice Guide by immediately
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`·5· ·destroying all copies of RPX's confidential
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`·6· ·information in the possession of AIT and its lawyers
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`·7· ·and -- and by providing to RPX a certification that
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`·8· ·AIT has done so.
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`·9· · · · · · We also ask for destruction rather than
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`10· ·return of confidential information because the
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`11· ·information was served electronically, so return
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`12· ·without destruction would be meaningless.· And we
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`13· ·ask for destruction immediately because we are
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`14· ·already 34 days beyond a 60 day period the Trial
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`15· ·Practice Guide specifies, and there's no
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`16· ·justification for AIT to retain RPX's confidential
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`17· ·information a moment longer.
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`18· · · · · · We would also ask that Your -- Your Honors
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`19· ·order AIT to certify that it will not access copies
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`20· ·of confidential information that are available on
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`21· ·the Board's website.· There is a pending motion to
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`22· ·expunge that information, but unless and until Your
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`23· ·Honors act on that motion, we ask that you order
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`24· ·AIT -- if you order them to destroy the current
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`·1· ·copies, that they not go and then access copies from
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`·2· ·the Board website.
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`·3· · · · · · Unless Your Honors have any questions,
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`·4· ·that's all I have.
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`·5· · · · · · JUDGE WEIDENFELLER:· This is Judge
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`·7· · · · · · I have one question before we -- we move on
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`·8· ·to the other side.· Am I correct in my understanding
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`·9· ·that the parties have agreed that this paragraph
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`10· ·from the Trial Practice Guide should apply in these
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`11· ·proceedings, although there's a disagreement about
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`12· ·when that should happen?· Is that your
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`14· · · · · · MR. GIUNTA:· I'm hesitant to say, Your
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`15· ·Honor.· I guess I would leave it to AIT.
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`16· · · · · · I can tell you that we -- we had quite the
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`17· ·back and forth about this.· Ultimately, AIT agreed
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`18· ·that it would destroy the confidential information
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`19· ·if the protective order was modified to require it
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`20· ·and -- which RPX agreed to do, but then negotiations
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`21· ·broke down because AIT's position was that they
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`22· ·shouldn't be forced to destroy the information,
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`23· ·unless and until first Your Honors entered the
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`24· ·revised protective order and then, secondly, they
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`·1· ·wanted 45 days after that time period to destroy the
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`·2· ·information because they told us they would
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`·3· ·believe -- they believed that, in the interim, they
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`·4· ·would get access to it through the litigation
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`·5· ·subpoena.
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`·6· · · · · · JUDGE WEIDENFELLER:· Okay.· Thank you.
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`·7· · · · · · Why don't we hear from AIT.
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`·8· · · · · · I'm sorry.· For the Court Reporter's
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`·9· ·benefit, this is Judge Weidenfeller again.
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`10· · · · · · Why don't we move to counsel for AIT and,
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`11· ·if you could, start with answering the question that
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`12· ·I just asked Mr. Giunta and then proceed, please.
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`13· ·Thank you.
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`14· · · · · · MR. PACELLI:· Yes.· Good afternoon, Your
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`15· ·Honor.· Andrea Pacelli for the Patent Owner, AIT.
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`16· · · · · · Yes, I can clarify our position.· As Mr.
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`17· ·Giunta said, yes, we would agree to a
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`18· ·modified amended protective order with a 45 day
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`19· ·provision as opposed to immediate destruction, and
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`20· ·if Your Honor allows, I can -- I can give a little
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`21· ·bit of background.
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`22· · · · · · So as -- as Your Honor understands, the
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`23· ·dispute is really about timing here, and we -- and
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`24· ·we all agree that we need more guidance on this
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`·1· ·issue because the protective order enforced does not
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`·2· ·provide for destruction of documents, and the Trial
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`·3· ·Practice Guide does provide guidelines that I
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`·4· ·respect, but there's -- there's no rules or other
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`·5· ·binding authority; so we would need intervention by
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`·6· ·the Board.
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`·7· · · · · · So we proposed by RPX that we would
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`·8· ·consider an amendment to the protective order along
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`·9· ·those very guidelines in the Trial Practice Guide,
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`10· ·and we got to the point that we then we exchanged
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`11· ·drafts of the proposed amendment of the executive
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`12· ·order.
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`13· · · · · · Now, as I said, the only disagreement was
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`14· ·about timing.· AIT proposed a deadline of 45 days,
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`15· ·as -- as the judge explained, after entering the
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`16· ·protective order.· RPX's proposal was just 10
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`17· ·business days -- not immediate but 10 business days,
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`18· ·which is 14 calendar days; so we are about 30 days
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`19· ·apart, and, again, 30 days should not make a lot of
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`20· ·difference.· This case has been going on five years,
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`21· ·and the Trial Practice Guide provides for 60 days --
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`22· ·for a 60 day waiting period, so 45 days is -- you
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`23· ·know, is reasonable.
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`24· · · · · · Now, with respect to the timing issue, this
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`·1· ·is what is going on in this case.· So, as you
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`·2· ·know -- Your Honor knows, the -- the pending
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`·3· ·litigation in District Court currently is Sales
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`·4· ·Force, and -- and -- and the Board has filed Sales
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`·5· ·Force to be a party in interest in that proceeding.
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`·6· · · · · · In the District Court litigation, Sales
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`·7· ·Force seeks to rely on the IPR record, and it's only
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`·8· ·fair that, if -- if Sales Force wants to rely on
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`·9· ·that record, AIT should also be able to rely on the
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`10· ·same record that it pertains to Sales Force, if
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`11· ·Sales Force is deemed to be a party with the IPR.
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`12· ·So these documents are clearly -- clearly relevant
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`13· ·to the District Court litigation.
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`14· · · · · · Now, as Mr. Giunta explained under the
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`15· ·Board's protective order, those documents cannot be
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`16· ·used in the District Court litigation.· So, on April
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`17· ·9 of this year, AIT served on RPX a litigation
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`18· ·subpoena for the same documents at issue.
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`19· · · · · · So we get to the 45 days.· The 45 days that
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`20· ·AIT requests provide a bit more of an overlap
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`21· ·between the Board's protective order and the
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`22· ·District Court's protective order, basically, a
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`·1· ·produced in the IPR's to be used in the District
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`·2· ·Court litigation under the Court's protective order.
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`·3· · · · · · So, just to clarify, we're not proposing
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`·4· ·self-help here.· Obviously, RPX would have to
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`·5· ·authorize use of the documents in the District Court
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`·6· ·litigation.
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`·7· · · · · · The important thing is that this is the
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`·8· ·least burdensome option for the parties and the
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`·9· ·least burdensome option for RPX to comply with the
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`10· ·subpoena.· So, by insisting that we eliminate this
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`11· ·overlap, now RPX wants to create an artificial
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`12· ·burden on itself and the other parties.
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`13· · · · · · And, just to clarify one more thing, as
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`14· ·counsel, both we and counsel for RPX need to be
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`15· ·careful in handling documents that are known to be
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`16· ·responsive to a subpoena and relevant to a pending
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`17· ·litigation.· So we have, respectfully, a duty to
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`18· ·preserve these documents because they might affect
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`19· ·the life of our client.
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`20· · · · · · So, on that note, I appreciate counsel's
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`21· ·assurance that RPX will preserve these documents.
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`22· ·Nevertheless, we would appreciate the Board's
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`23· ·guidance in this respect.
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`·3· · · · · · JUDGE WEIDENFELLER:· Yes.· Please, do so.
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`·4· · · · · · MR. GIUNTA:· So what counsel just said was
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`·5· ·that, in order to make Your Honors aware of what
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`·6· ·else is going on in this case -- so this case --
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`·7· ·these cases -- there's three of them -- three IPRs
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`·8· ·are over.· There's nothing else going on in these
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`·9· ·proceedings, but only AIT wants to use this
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`10· ·information in an entirely different proceeding to
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`11· ·which RPX is not a party.
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`12· · · · · · Now, what he suggested is that the benefit
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`13· ·of this bridge or overlap, as he described it, is
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`14· ·that it would -- it would reduce the burden on RPX
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`15· ·in -- in producing this information.
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`16· · · · · · Rpx was quite comfortable that it will not
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`17· ·be a big burden if ultimately it's -- it's deemed by
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`18· ·the District Court that RPX needs to provides this
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`19· ·information in litigation.· It would be quite easy
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`20· ·for RPX to do it.
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`21· · · · · · I respectfully submit that it sounds much
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`22· ·more concerning to us that the reason AIT wants a
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`23· ·bridge is that it will have this information so that
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`·1· ·does, that is a violation of Your Honor's protective
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`·2· ·order.
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`·3· · · · · · Again, there's absolutely no reason for
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`·4· ·them to have this information, unless and until they
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`·5· ·get it in the litigation, and if that happens,
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`·6· ·they'll have it again.· Up until that point, they
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`·7· ·shouldn't be using it and they don't need to have
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`·8· ·it.
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`·9· · · · · · And then, lastly, counsel suggested that
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`10· ·they had a duty to preserve this evidence.· They
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`11· ·told us that during the meeting before they had
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`12· ·absolutely no authority for that position.· What he
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`13· ·is suggesting is that he thinks the information that
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`14· ·he got in these proceedings under very strict
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`15· ·circumstances that can only be used here might be
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`16· ·helpful to a client in some other proceeding; so he
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`17· ·wants to hold on to it so that he can use it in a
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`18· ·different proceeding, and if they do that, that is a
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`19· ·clear violation of Your Honor's protective order.
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`20· · · · · · So there's absolutely no reason for them to
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`21· ·have this information.· The District Court will sort
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`22· ·this out.· Again, it is not -- he's making arguments
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`23· ·to Your Honors about why this is relevant in the
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`24· ·litigation.· Respectfully, those are arguments that
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`·1· ·should be made to the District Court, and if those
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`·2· ·arguments prevail, they will get it up.· Up until
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`·3· ·then, AIT shouldn't have this information, and we
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`·4· ·ask that Your Honors order them to destroy it.
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`·5· · · · · · MR. PACELLI:· Your Honor, may I respond?
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`·6· · · · · · JUDGE WEIDENFELLER:· Yes.· Please, do so.
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`·7· · · · · · MR. PACELLI:· Yes, very briefly.
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`·8· · · · · · First of all, I appreciate Counsel's
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`·9· ·representation that producing the documents by RPX,
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`10· ·it will not be a big burden, because as Your Honor
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`11· ·knows, burden is an issue in responding to a
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`12· ·third-party subpoena.
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`13· · · · · · So our concern is that RPX, after the
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`14· ·search on documents, might argue burden to the
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`15· ·District Court.· So I appreciate your recommendation
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`16· ·that there's no burden, and just to be clear, AIT
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`17· ·will not use the documents until it's allowed to do
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`18· ·so under the District Court's protective order.
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`19· · · · · · Thank you.
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`20· · · · · · JUUDGE WEIDENFELLER:· Thank you.
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`21· · · · · · I think we understand the position of each
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`22· ·party.· Please, hold for a moment while the panel
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`23· ·confers.· Thank you.
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`24· · · · · · (Recess, 1:19 p.m. - 1:21 p.m.)
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`·1· · · · · · JUDGE WEIDENFELLER:· Thank you for waiting.
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`·2· · · · · · This is Vice Chief Judge Weidenfeller
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`·3· ·again.
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`·4· · · · · · We have conferred, and we have decided that
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`·5· ·we are going to order AIT to destroy all of the
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`·6· ·copies of the documents by this Friday, May 7th.· We
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`·7· ·will issue an order in due course, but I wanted to
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`·8· ·let you know of our decision right away.
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`·9· · · · · · That is, I believe, all for now.
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`10· · · · · · Does either party have any questions or
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`11· ·have any other -- any other issues?
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`12· · · · · · MR. GIUNTA:· Your Honor, this is Rich
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`13· ·Giunta for RPX.· The only other question I would
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`14· ·have is whether Your Honors could include in the
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`15· ·order a requirement that AIT not access the
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`16· ·information again from the Board's website.
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`17· · · · · · JUDGE WEIDENFELLER:· Yes.· Thank you.· We
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`18· ·will include something in the order.
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`19· · · · · · MR. GIUNTA:· Thank you, Your Honor.
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`20· · · · · · JUDGE WEIDENFELLER:· Mr. Pacelli, anything
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`21· ·further?
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`22· · · · · · MR. PACELLI:· Sorry.· No, nothing.· Nothing
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`23· ·else from us, Your Honor.
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`24· · · · · · JUDGE WEIDENFELLER:· Okay.· Thank you very
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`·2· · · · · · I believe that concludes everything we need
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`·3· ·to address today.· So thank you for your time, and
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`·4· ·we will issue an order in due course.
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`·5· · · · · · And, Mr. Giunta, if you could provide the
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`·6· ·transcript in due course, we would appreciate that.
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`·7· · · · · · MR. GIUNTA:· We will, Your Honor.
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`·8· · · · · · JUDGE WEIDENFELLER:· Thank you very much.
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`·9· ·Have a good day.
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`·2· · · · I, Valerie Rae Johnston, Registered
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`·4· ·foregoing transcript, Volume I, is a true and
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`·5· ·accurate transcription of my stenographic notes
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`client
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`coast
` 3:3,4
`colleague
` 3:15
`comfortable
` 14:16
`comply
` 5:13,14 8:4
` 12:23 13:9
`concern
` 16:13
`conference
` 3:5 4:5
`confers
` 16:23
`confidence
` 5:15
`confidential
` 4:12,15,21
` 5:5,8,16,19
` 6:7,13,17 7:3,
` 9 8:5,10,16,20
` 9:18
`connection
` 4:16 5:21
`Consolidated
` 5:3
`copies
` 6:13 7:7 8:5,
` 19 9:1
`copy
` 7:3
`correct
` 9:8
`counsel
` 6:4 10:10
` 13:14 14:4
` 15:9
`counsel's
` 13:20 16:8
`couple
` 14:2
`court
` 3:15,24 7:11,
` 17,19 10:8
` 12:3,6,13,16
` 13:2,5 14:18
` 15:21 16:1,15
`Court's
` 12:22 13:2
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`amendment
` 11:8,11
`Andrea
` 3:22 10:15
`answering
` 10:11
`appeal
` 4:19 5:7
`Applications
` 3:21
`apply
` 9:10
`April
` 6:20 12:16
`argue
` 16:14
`arguments
` 15:22,24 16:2
`artificial
` 13:11
`assurance
` 13:21
`attention
` 5:11
`attorneys
` 6:5,10
`authority
` 11:5 15:12
`authorize
` 13:5
`aware
` 14:5
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`B
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`back
` 9:17
`background
` 10:21
`basically
` 12:22
`believed
` 10:3
`benefit
` 10:9 14:12
`big
` 14:17 16:10
`binding
` 11:5
`bit
` 10:21 12:20
`Boalick
`
` 3:8
`Board
` 5:17 6:2,11
` 9:2 11:6 12:4
`Board's
` 8:21 12:15,21
` 13:22
`Bonilla
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`bridge
` 12:23 14:13,
` 23
`briefly
` 16:7
`broke
` 9:21
`burden
` 13:12 14:14,
` 17 16:10,11,
` 14,16
`burdensome
` 13:8,9
`business
` 11:17
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`C
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`calendar
` 11:18
`call
` 3:5,10,14 4:5
`called
` 5:11
`careful
` 13:15
`case
` 11:20 12:1
` 14:6
`cases
` 14:7
`certification
` 5:9 8:7
`certify
` 8:19
`Chief
` 3:7
`circumstances
` 15:15
`clarify
` 10:16 13:3,13
`clear
` 15:19 16:16
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`acknowledgem
`ent
` 4:14,23
`acknowledges
` 4:14
`acknowledging
` 4:24
`acknowledgme
`nt
` 7:22
`act
` 8:23
`add
` 6:9
`added
` 6:3
`additional
` 6:5
`address
` 4:6
`addressing
` 5:4
`affect
` 13:18
`afternoon
` 3:2,12 10:14
`agree
` 10:17,24
`agreed
` 7:8 9:9,17,20
`agreeing
` 12:24
`AIT
` 4:12,14,15,20,
` 21 5:12,14,16,
` 17,18,20,22,
` 24 6:3,9,10,
` 12,13,16,21,
` 23 7:4,6,8,19,
` 20,24 8:3,6,8,
` 16,19,24 9:15,
` 17 10:7,10,15
` 11:14 12:9,17,
` 20 14:9,22
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`AIT's
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`allowed
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`amended
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`10
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`115
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`14
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`16th
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`1:19
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`1:21
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`2
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`2020
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`29th
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`34
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`access
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`create
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`current
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`D
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`day
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`days
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`deadline
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`decide
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`decided
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`decision
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`deemed
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`Deputy
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`destroy
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` 9:18,22 10:1
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`destroying
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`destruction
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` 11:2
`difference
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`disagree
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`disagreement
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`disposal
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`dispute
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`District
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`documents
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`drafts
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`duty
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`E
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`east
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`easy
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`electronically
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`eliminate
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`Elisabeth
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`end
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`enforced
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`entered
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`entering
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`entitled
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`evidence
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`exchanged
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`executive
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`exhibit
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`expired
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`explained
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`expunge
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`F
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`H
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`fair
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`file
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`filed
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`Force
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`forced
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`future
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`G
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`gains
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`Giunta
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`give
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`good
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`governed
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`granted
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`granting
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`Greenfield
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`Group
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`guess
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`guidance
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`Guide
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`guidelines
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`handling
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`happen
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`hear
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`helpful
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`hesitant
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`highly
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`hold
` 15:17 16:22
`Honor
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` 9:15 10:15,20,
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` 16:5,10
`Honor's
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`Honors
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` 9:3,23 14:5
` 15:23 16:4
`Hunt
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`I
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`immediately
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`important
` 13:7
`information
` 4:12,16,21
` 5:5,9,16,19,
` 23,24 6:7,13,
` 15,17 7:4,9,
` 14,20 8:1,6,
` 10,11,17,20,
` 22 9:18,22
` 10:2 14:10,15,
` 19,23 15:4,13,
` 21 16:3
`insisting
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`interest
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`interim
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`Internet
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`intervention
` 11:5
`IPR
` 12:7,11
`IPR's
` 13:1
`IPR-2015-
`01750
` 3:6
`IPR-2015-
`01751
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`IPR-2015-
`01752
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`IPRS
` 14:7
`issue
` 7:10,12,18
` 11:1,24 12:18
` 16:11
`issued
` 6:2
`issuing
` 6:14
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`J
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`January
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`joined
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`judge
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` 4:4 9:5 10:6,9
` 11:15 14:3
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`justification
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`JUUDGE
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`King
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`Law
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`lawsuit
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`lawyers
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`leave
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`legitimate
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`life
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`litigation
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` 7:1,10,15 10:4
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`longer
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`lot
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`M
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`made
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