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`Subject:
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`Fahrenbach, Brian
`Friday, April 01, 2016 4:45 PM
`Jennifer Seraphine; Abramic, John
`Matthew Smith; Filarski, Thomas; 678IPR; Zhuanjia Gu; Hails, Robert L.
`(rhails@bakerlaw.com)
`RE: Sony v. Raytheon, IPR2015-01201 and IPR2016-00209
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`Jennifer,
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`This responds to your and Matt Smith’s e‐mails of March 29, March 23 and March 18, 2016.
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`Regarding your March 29 email, we are confused by your second paragraph as to why you believe these issues are not
`entirely resolved. Are you suggesting that Raytheon did not serve Exhibits 2010‐2013? We believe those exhibits were
`served through the external download site we provided to you on March 11, 2016. Please let us know if you did not
`receive copies or your reasons why these exhibits were not properly served.
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`If, however, you are suggesting that service was somehow defective because the additional documents you seek were
`not served, we disagree with your argument. First, these documents do not qualify as routine discovery under 37
`C.F.R.§ 42.51(b)(1)(i). Instead, you requested these documents as additional discovery pursuant to 37 C.F.R. §
`42.51(b)(2)(i), even though your co‐counsel, Mr. Hails, has had them since July 2015. Raytheon has said that it would
`not object to Petitioner’s outside counsel using the additional documents in connection with the IPR, provided that you
`comply with the IPR protective order. As we advised earlier, you can find these documents at RAY00004572‐5424 and
`RAY00007358‐7941. Given that they are already in Sony’s possession, we figured it would be more practical for you to
`use those documents as opposed to us re‐producing them in response to your discovery request. Paragraph 22 of the
`litigation protective order allows the parties to alter the designation and use of documents produced in the underlying
`litigation. If Sony’s litigation counsel will not share these documents with you or you need something more regarding
`them, please let us know.
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`We do not believe that the objections stated in Matt Smith’s March 18 email were properly lodged with the
`Board. Nonetheless, and as a courtesy to Sony, we provide the following responses. Each objection would be overruled
`for the following reasons:
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`Objection 1: Raytheon has already provided our best copy of the original of Exhibit 2008. If you continue to object,
`Raytheon can make the original Exhibit 2008 available for inspection in accordance with 37 CFR § 42.51(c) so that you
`may confirm that Exhibit 2008 is a true and accurate duplicate of the original. Raytheon also notes that the declarations
`of Mr. Arthur Medrano and Mr. William McInnis lay the proper foundation for this exhibit under FRE 901 and 1003.
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`Objection 2: Petitioner objects to Exhibits 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2022, 2025, 2026 and 2027 under FRE 106, FRE
`1002, FRE 901 and 37 C.F.R. § 42.51(b)(1)(i). These objections would be overruled for the following reasons:
`∙ As stated above, the objections regarding Exhibits 2010‐2013 are misplaced. First, Raytheon only relies
`upon the relevant excerpts from the annual IRAD reports, which are already in Sony’s possession. The
`excerpts are complete documents as they report on the particular relevant projects; the other projects in
`the annual IRAD reports are not relevant. Second, the declarations of Mr. Medrano and Mr. McInnis
`establish the authenticity and admissibility of these exhibits under FRE 902 and 1003. Additionally, these
`documents are 1) regularly‐kept business records and 2) over twenty years old. (See FRE 803(6) and (16);
`901(b)(1) and (8).)
`∙ As for Exhibit 2014, though all relevant pages were already provided, Raytheon was able to locate
`additional pages of that lab notebook. All pages of the notebook that are within Raytheon’s possession,
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`custody, or control, including the originally‐served pages, are combined into one document, which is being
`sent via a secure site. The declarations of Mr. Medrano and Mr. McInnis lay the proper foundation for this
`exhibit under FRE 902 and 1003. (FRE 803(6) and (16); 901(b)(1) and (8).)
`∙ Raytheon is also sending, via a secured site, a supplemental declaration from Dr. Fitzgerald that describes
`and appends updated versions of Exhibits 2022 and 2025‐2027. We are filing a motion with the Board to
`submit the supplemental declaration and replacement exhibits into the record. Sony will be in possession of
`the relevant portions of the documents that Dr. Fitzgerald cited to in Exhibits 2022 and 2025‐2027 as part of
`his original declaration. You have the public citation and if you are unable to locate the citations, Raytheon
`will make them available for your inspection. Dr. Fitzgerald’s declaration lays the proper foundation for
`these Exhibits under FRE 901 and 1003 as they are true and accurate duplicates of documents relied‐upon
`by Dr. Fitzgerald to form his opinion.
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`Objection 3: Petitioner’s objections to Exhibits 2020 and 2022 through 2036 under FRE 402 and 403 are misplaced for
`the following reasons:
`∙ Exhibits 2020, 2022‐2024, 2027‐2028, and 2032 are admissible under FRE 402 and 403 because they are
`publicly available documents that were available around the relevant timeframe, as evidenced by their
`publication dates. These documents are relevant and simplify the issues under FRE 402/403 because they
`help the Board determine the understanding of a PHOSITA during the relevant timeframe.
`∙ Exhibits 2025‐2026 and 2029‐2031, and 2033‐2035 support Dr. Fitzgerald’s conclusions about a PHOSITA’s
`understanding. These documents, moreover, describe the art’s background and scientific principles. Thus,
`Sony’s objections to these exhibits is in error.
`∙ Sony’s objections to Exhibit 2036 is in error. Exhibit 2036 is relevant to conception and reduction to
`practice.
`∙ Your objection under FRE 802 has not been stated with particularity as required by 37 C.F.R. §
`42.64(b)(1). Your objection is improper because you have failed to identify any out of court statement, or
`the purpose for which you believe such statement is being offered.
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`Objection 4: Sony’s objections to any of Raytheon’s testimony that may rely upon evidence subject to Objections 1‐3 is
`misplaced because, as shown above, Objections 1‐3 should be overruled.
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`Objection 5: Sony’s objections to testimony referencing chips, including the CRC‐559 chip and mask sets, are in
`error. Mr. Bendik lays the proper foundation under FRE 901 for the original CRC‐559 and its photograph. That
`photograph was served to Sony as part of Mr. Bendik’s declaration and your co‐counsel Mr. Hails has been invited to
`inspect the chip since July 2015. (See Ex. 2016, paragraph 14.) Your objections to Ex. 2015 and 2038 are thus
`misplaced. Raytheon’s Patent Owner Response, Exhibit 2015‐2016 and 2038 all rely on evidence that Raytheon served
`upon Sony. For clarity, Raytheon will provide an updated exhibit list that includes the photograph of the CRC‐559 in Mr.
`Bendik’s declaration. We plan to submit this to the Board as well. Again, as with the other information and documents
`previously produced to Sony and petitioner’s counsel, you are invited to inspect things relied upon and within
`Raytheon’s possession, custody or control at a reasonably and mutually agreeable time and location.
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`Specifically, and in answer to the questions in your e‐mail of March 28, Raytheon will make any referenced physical
`things in our possession, including the CRC‐559, available for inspection, pursuant to 37 C.F.R. § 42.51(c). We propose
`an inspection next week at a mutually agreeable time at a mutually agreeable location near Chicago, Illinois. However,
`Raytheon will not allow Sony to take custody of the chips or perform destructive testing. Instead, we propose that Sony
`arrange for the use of, a microscope, or any other non‐destructive testing, investigation or analysis implements, at the
`mutually agreeable location. Any observation or non‐destructive testing of the chips must also be pre‐approved by
`Raytheon and witnessed by Raytheon’s counsel.
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`Objection 6: Petitioner’s objections to the additional notebooks of Mr. Bendik are misplaced. Paragraph 34 includes Mr.
`Bendik’s testimony which is subject to cross‐examination. In addition, Raytheon has diligently searched for the
`notebooks referenced in paragraph 34, but has been unable to locate them.
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`This should resolve all of Sony’s remaining questions.
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`Brian G. Fahrenbach
`Associate
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`Steptoe
`Steptoe & Johnson LLP
`115 South LaSalle Street | Suite 3100 | Chicago, IL 60603
`Telephone: 312‐577‐1241
`Fax: 312‐577‐1370
`bfahrenbach@Steptoe.com
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`From: Jennifer Seraphine [mailto:seraphine@turnerboyd.com]
`Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 11:48 AM
`To: Abramic, John
`Cc: Matthew Smith; Filarski, Thomas; 678IPR; Zhuanjia Gu; Hails, Robert L. (rhails@bakerlaw.com)
`Subject: Re: Sony v. Raytheon, IPR2015‐01201 and IPR2016‐00209
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`John,
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`Thank you for your below email. We will obtain Exhibits 2010‐2013 from the litigation production as you
`indicated. Thank you for your cooperation.
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`Unfortunately, this does not entirely resolve the issues. First, we believe you were required to produce the exhibits with
`your response, and late service is not excused by an offer of production in another case. As you know, the litigation
`protective order contains a provision that materials produced in the litigation are to be used only for the purpose of the
`litigation. For this reason (among others), service in the litigation is not equivalent to service in the inter partes review.
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`In addition, we have the following questions regarding your offer of inspection:
`(1) Where, when and under what conditions would you allow inspection of the “multiple chips”?
`(2) Will you allow us to take custody of the chips to perform microscopic inspection and testing? If we need to
`destroy a portion of the chips to determine whether the claimed method was used, would Raytheon allow this?
`(3) Can you confirm that the chips available for inspection are the ones claimed by Mr. Finnila to have been
`produced in late 1990?
`(4) Have you located a complete copy of Exhibit 2014?
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`Thanks and regards,
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`Jennifer Seraphine
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` Jennifer Seraphine | Turner Boyd LLP
` seraphine@turnerboyd.com | 650 265.6018
` 702 Marshall Street, Suite 640 | Redwood City, CA 94063
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`On Mar 24, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Abramic, John <jabramic@Steptoe.com> wrote:
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`Matt,
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`Complete copies of Exhibits 2010‐2013 are already in Sony’s possession. Exhibits 2010‐2013 are
`excerpts from documents that were produced in the underlying litigation on about July 16, 2015 and are
`identified by bates nos. RAY00004572‐5424 and RAY00007358‐7941. Bob Hails has had access to those
`documents since that time. We would not be opposed to Petitioner’s counsel using those documents in
`the IPR provided that they are treated according to the protective order entered in the IPR, including the
`provisions related to confidentiality and ITAR. Also, on that same date, multiple chips, including the
`CRC559 chip referred to in paragraph 16 of Finnila's declaration and in paragraph 14 of Bendik's
`declaration, were made available for inspection by Sony’s counsel, including Mr. Hails. We are willing to
`extend that offer to you in connection with the IPR, subject to the confidentiality and ITAR protections in
`the protective order. We are also checking to see if we have a complete copy of Exhibit 2014. If we do,
`we will produce a complete copy.
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`I assume that resolves the discovery issues.
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`As to your request to submit a reply to the preliminary response, we do not believe that would be
`appropriate or necessary. Please let us know what you intend to say in your email requesting a
`conference call and we will provide a response for the email. We are unavailable for a call on Friday or
`Monday. We could be available for a call on Tuesday or Wednesday next week after 1pm eastern.
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`Regards,
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`John
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`From: Matthew Smith [mailto:smith@turnerboyd.com]
`Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 2:19 PM
`To: Abramic, John
`Cc: Filarski, Thomas; 678IPR; Zhuanjia Gu; Jennifer Seraphine; Hails, Robert L. (rhails@bakerlaw.com)
`Subject: Sony v. Raytheon, IPR2015‐01201 and IPR2016‐00209
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`John,
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`We write concerning two matters in the above‐referenced inter partes reviews.
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`First, Sony intends to seek certain initial discovery in IPR2015‐01201 (Sony may seek further discovery
`later). We request that you produce:
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`(1) complete copies of Exhibits 2010‐2014; and
`(2) chips and wafer masks referred to in paragraph 16 of Finnila’s declaration (Ex. 2015), and in
`paragraph 14 of Bendik’s declaration (Ex. 2016).
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`We believe Raytheon was required to produce these items under 37 C.F.R. 42.51(b)(1)(i), and that their
`production would be justified as “additional discovery”. If Raytheon will voluntarily produce these
`items, there is no need to go through the Board.
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`Second, Sony believes that Raytheon’s argument in its preliminary response in IPR2016‐00209, that “the
`petition shows it raises the same arguments that are being reviewed in the instituted IPR” is inconsistent
`with Raytheon’s position in its patent owner response in IPR2015‐01201 that Bertin is not prior art. We
`would like to file a one‐page paper in reply to Raytheon’s preliminary response in IPR2016‐00209.
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`Please let us know week by close of business tomorrow whether you plan to oppose either motion, and
`when you are available for a conference call with the PTAB on Friday of this week or Monday of next
`week.
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`Thanks and regards,
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`Matt
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`Matthew A. Smith : : Turner Boyd LLP
`smith@turnerboyd.com : : +1 650 265 6109 office : : +1 650 521 5931 fax : : +1 202 669 6207 mobile
`702 Marshall St., Ste. 640, Redwood City, CA 94063
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