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`is that point-to-point
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`19 communicate \^/ith each other; right?
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`the discussion of what a point-to-point
`This is right after
`bus is. By the way, it doesn't define what a shared bus
`just describes how it can be used? Right? Thatrs
`is;
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`It says shared buses can be
`what happens in column 1.
`It
`is architectural.
`It doesn't define what it
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`says how it can be used; right?
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`point-to-point
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`it's being used by many bus devices, three or four;
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`Yeah' that is correct.
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`two devices.
`Okay. Then it goes on to say "since only a
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`chip or board area required to implement a shared bus
`archítecture ís much less than is required by a
`point-to-point bus architecture."
`Do you see that?
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`Yes.
`Do you agree with it?
`Yes. So far it's consistent with everything
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`those statements are false? A point-to-point, a shared bus
`can be just that one connection, and it doesn't take up
`more chíp or board area, does it?
`That' s absol-utelY incorrect.
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`If you adopt my construction, which is the
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`MR. GRANT: Those are my questions, your Honor'
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`Thatrs recross.
`right.
`JUDGE SHAIIí: All
`So
`the end of the examination. Are we going to defer
`t.hat's
`Is Lhat the plan?
`evidence with this witness?
`MR. GRANT: Vüith this wítness, wo've worked it
`lVe have an agreed list of
`out overnight, your Honor.
`I believe Mr. Donovan will hand up to t'he
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`exhibits
`I apologize-
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`court reporter.
`JUDGE SHAI/ü: Have you had a chance to examine
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`MS. KUNDUPOGLU: No, staff has not, and
`had questions about the demonstratives and slides
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`JUDGE SHAIV: Especially since we wiff have the
`witness here throughout the course of the hearing, v/hY
`longer until everything
`don't we just defer it a litt.le
`completely worked out.
`MR. GRANT: I would say, the two demonstratives
`to be
`that we created, RDX-10 and RDX-12' \^/e hrould like
`included with the other demonstratives in the case '
`ready to go' or
`JUDGE SHAVú: Are '^¡e really
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`MS. KUNDUPOGLU: We could probably just hash ít
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`JUDGE SHAVü: I think Lhat's a good idea ' We
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`JUDGE SHAW: Okay. So you're recalled.
`MR. AROVAS: Your Honor, as the Court already
`noticed, Mr. McAlexander is talking about, testifying
`about
`two of the three patents. The witness statemenL l^las
`in front of the
`for both. So that's actually
`consolidated
`witness already. He has that with the errata and
`the -- alf of
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`the evidentiary admissions, I feel
`we will simply do that at the end of both examinatíons for
`that's acceptabl-e to
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`both patents and do it
`your Honor.
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`JUDGE SHAW: Yes. Thank you.
`lrTe do have a separate set of
`along with that that were not
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`demonstratives
`examination. Vüith the Court's
`the first
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`JUDGE SHAIV: Yes, Please.
`the preliminary questions
`MR. AROVAS: Since atI
`were asked about the witness statement aJ-ready, the witness
`and approved as
`r^ras al-ready tendered and accepted as an
`an expert, and the area of the tenure covers both patents.
`Unless the Court prefers a different procedure, I would
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`turn the witness over for cross-examination.
`Thank you very
`JUDGE SHAV'I: That sounds fine.
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`MR. AROVAS: Thank You.
`MS. HOLLOVüAY: Good morning, your Honor, JuJ-ie
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`The last
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`Instruments ín 1986;
`Yes; that's correct.
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`That is correct.
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`Cou1d we have the constructions up on the
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`construction is "configuration required by the
`memory-device type"; right?
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`is the plain meaning of "mode"; correct?
`That is correct.
`But you agree that there are certain modes, for
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`14 meanings; right?
`Certainly, standing on its otvlln. Itr s a matt'er
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`types of semiconductor memory devices, such as DDR, DDR 2,
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`semiconductor memory device types has different properties
`types of memory controflers;
`and may require different
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`Thatts correct.
`Okay. So could we fook at the patent, please,
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`JX-3, coÌumn I,
`that "a data strobe buffer which can enable the memory
`types of memory devices
`control-lers," plural,
`"9f different
`is needed"; right?
`Yes, that's what it sLates.
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`look at the sol-utions that the
`Okay. So let's
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`patent. describes. The ''734 patent describes a buffer
`can operate in different modes according to the type of
`memory; right?
`IL describes that, Yes.
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`types of memory devices; correct?
`according to different
`It does describe that, Yes.
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`show modes that are different
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`7 Lo the type of memory device; correct"?
`"Ansr^¡er: The embodiments that are used as
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`You're talking about the claimed mode?
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`That's correct.
`Okay. Could we have figure 4 of the patent up
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`2l evidence that you and Samsung rely upon. You understand
`figure 4 shows that both the first
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`tal-k about DQS
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`true thaL the same data strobe signal, DQS 2, is operated
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`figure 4. First off, you agree that the two manners of
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`launch into what iL is that they disclose.
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`theoretical- design that's used to analyze an
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`It can be' and in this context,
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`17 DQS_2 is the same for figure 3A and figure 38. Now, the
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`18 DQS 2 daLa strobe that the patent discloses
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`That is correct. Column 4 supports that.
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`That is correct.
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`second mode is suitable
`memory; right?
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`same
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`are very famil-iar with the
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`the
`in the '134 patent?
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`That is correct.
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`suitable for high-speed access to
`Thatrs correct.
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`figure 4 includes a multiplexer or a MUX numbered 130;
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`to explore whether this selection
`type or, as you claim, some other requirement' Okay? So
`that we tafked about a
`tal-k about the selector signal
`let's
`f or
`that sel-ects the input
`minute ago, t.he selector signal
`the mult.iplexer 130 shown in figure 4. The patent
`describes a mode signal which is not shown in the figures,'
`right ?
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`between the
`the distinction
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`testimony,
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`the memory device is an MDDR SDRAM;
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`Did you give Lhat testimonY?
`is correcL.
`Yes; that
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`Do you see that?
`I see t.hat.
`And these tl^ro passages/ 513 to 16 and 528 to 30'
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`these are the only descriptions of the mode signal
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`response to a mode signal which is not sholn/n' indicating
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`Wel-l-, you've again read exactly, but in both
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`19 cases you inserted
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`senLences
`2l are present in column 4 -- col-umn 5, rather.
`to figure 4, please. And the MUX
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`patent describes only these two modes,
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`7 embodiment, yes
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`They are the two modes that are described.
`And they are the onlY ones; right?
`the two that are described.
`Yeah, they're
`So we've talked about the first and second
`only example the '134 patent describes of a
`is interfacing either with DDR 2 or DDR 3;
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`"Question: But I'm saying the only example the
`patent describes of a third mode is interfacing with DDR 2
`or DDR 3; right?
`"Ansh¡er: The only -- the example that is given
`that might be from that thírd mode is
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`You gave that. testimonY?
`Yes, I did.
`Okay. And the onlY examPle that the
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`"Question: Okay.
`g, the patent describes a fourth mode when the data sLrobe
`is in
`j-nterfaces with GDDR; correct? And this
`buffer
`column 7, Iines 58 through 60." And then your counsel
`asked some questions. And your ansr^rer hlas "it does
`It says' again, as you said,
`describe a -- an example.
`fourth mode may be an operating mode of the data strobe
`interfaces wj-th a
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`"Ans'¡/er: That's the only additional
`example that's provided, Yês, of a way in which
`"Question: And other than that, all
`is that the fourth mode may are interfacing
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`"Question: Right.
`other specific fourth mode; right?
`'Answer: It doesn't go into more specifíc.
`does -- it does say fourth mode. In terms of what the
`operating mode may represent, there is one example given. "
`Did you give that testimonY?
`Correct' consistent with what I just said.
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`JUDGE SHAI¡tr: Very good. VÙhy don't I^/e come back
`at 1: 30, then.
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