CROSSROADS EXHIBIT 2306
`Oracle Corp., et al v. Crossroads Systems, Inc.
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`CROSSROADS EXHIBIT
`Oracle Corp. v. Crossroads Systems, Inc.
`IPR2015-0(cid:1005)(cid:1004)(cid:1010)(cid:1010)
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`EXAMINATION
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`BY HR. IWILt:R:
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`Hornlnq Mr. HOes8.
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`Q. Would you ple,se Itate your- full n..unt1
`A. Geoffrey 8rlln Hoese.
`O. Mher. do you Uv., 51",?
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`In Austin, Texas.
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`How old are you?
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`I .. 39 Y"" old.
`O. All rlQht. stl'. Now, you r •• liz. that th1$
`i •• deposition taken 1n connectlon with a
`lawsuit .... actu.ally, two hWluits. Th!! deposition i.$
`b.inq taken on beh.lt of Pathli9ht and also on behalf
`ot Chaparral, and it', in conneetion with two dUterent
`lawsuits. They're both tU.d by Cros,roads, one
`aQainst pathllQht, one Iqlin.t Chaparral, In connectlon
`with pltent S,t41,"2. 00 you have that unclerstand1n9'?
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`I understand that.
`Okay. Now, both. ot. those parties h.ava served
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`notice" upon Chlparral, thl corpor.ation, to require
`C!\aparral to produce. wi tn ••• to te.tify on its behalf
`with respect to s.l.c:ted topic... Are you • ..,are of
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`HR. GIUST: You .aid Chapart'bl, not
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`IBY MR. SAHL£fU well. both parties hAve
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`serv@d d@po.ltion notlce~ upon c.rouroAds to r-equir.
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`8 Cros.st'Oflll:I., to produce a wltnells to testify on its
`beh.lt with respect to select.d topics. Do you
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`I und.r!ltand that. Yes.
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`That 1.s correct.
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`In add.ition. you h,.v'! betn served ,.
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`testify. Do you under:Hand that?
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`Okay. Do you understand that you're hiH.
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`we ait here, but It depends on how thin(]. go. All
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`HR. clust: Just ao you'll Itnow, ~'d
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`l11\. BAHLtR: Well, it'8 .11 qolng to be
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`MR, GlUST: So you don't pIon on hHtlnq
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`MR. GIUST: Okay. Well, 1t you're just
`90ing: to go throuCilh it all, we'll aee how it 90.'.
`HR, BAHLER. All rlqht.
`18Y tU~. BNiL£~} Hr. lIo.~e, have you ever had
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`Q. Okay. Ju_t.o that you understand what'.
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`where I' .. cow:l!.inQ froll. you're under oath.
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`not instrllct you not to answer, you hav@ to go &heAd
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`the-tO, correct.
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`Q. Hr. !-Ioese. where do you work t.oday?
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`1 am elrlployed by Crou:roads Syste~!.
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`Q. What 13 your poaltion there?
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`A. My title is director ot strateqlc
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`How lon9 have you worked tor CrOSSroads
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`Four years and 'OJIII!! months.
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`Now, Crossroads ~- wel L,
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`b.en at Cro.t$roads since the veE"Y beqinnlng of
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`1 h,)ve beEn at CE"oS~rOad3 b@fore tt; wj$ t'lCilTled
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`Cro.s.sroads. Thece was it COl1lpany in existence that
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`essentially convBI"ted into Ct'o.ssro.d:s. We chanQt:d our
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`that'lt c:orrect.
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`Okay. And you .tatted at Infinity COIf\ll\Stor
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`tour years ahd !lome month .. ago?
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`And .!IIometiJlle in the p.st Infinity CommStor wa.s
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`chanq_d into CrO$sroeds?
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`00 you have II college degree, s1r~
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`I have a vari.ty or on-the-job expeuence and
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`education of variOUi sort .. in technlc:iIl tteldJ!l. So
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`1'i19h school deql88?
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`Did yOu attend .. ny college7
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`v •• , 1 did.
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`In Loui8iana.
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`And how 10"9 dId you attend coll.Qo?
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`halt yeare, maytHt a bit JlIOre. Hy r.eell,etlon 1t ~
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`"hat c::olleq! in Louls1~na .spectt'1cally'?
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`I attended the Unl\,.rslty or Southwestern
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`I a1.:lo attended Louisiana State University.
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`O. Which one d1d you attend Urst?
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`A. University of Southw88tern Loulsiana.
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`Southwestern Lou!atanal
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`In 1979, poa'ibly Uklo9 S01ll. course work
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`before, mayb. In '78.
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`And when did YOu stop goinq to SouthweHern
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`Loulaian.?
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`I -Ill not exactly certJin.
`1 lolou1d qu.n 1981.
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`Okay. And whtt were you atudyin9 ,lit the
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`My .lbajor was phllo:lophy.
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`The oath that you took at the be91nnino of
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`your depo.itlon lIS the same OAth th.t you would taka at
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`And in het, this dllfl:pc.1Uon 1t as it you were
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`answers. ShakinG )'Out' ... noddln9 your head up and down
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`-- it" eo_plete .ilene.. So you he.d to !Jive
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`or,l answers to all .Y qu.st1ons.
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`1 und.rstand,
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`Okay. NOW, yotJ .sald you also studied .t LSU.
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`It was the next "traester.
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`Sllhe:equent to USL.
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`Same field. Old additional work tl\ pbysics.
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`Both at USL and LSU. Hore .so, perhapa, at
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`A year-.
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`Two aeftlesters, perhaps three.
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`Oh, 1 think it involved. woman.
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`G~n~rally in What were these eml;ltdded syste:us
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`01lUeld control 3y.tem$ or various sotts ot
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`control systems. That'. one. So I did a couple ot
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`jobs led to your beinq -- or your tald.nq it. permAnent
`POSition. al a chiet enqine.r ot an ~/fM udio st.ation'?
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`K~OF and KAsC.
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`what Wa$ th4t agoaln7"
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`~OF and KASC.
`And one W85 an AM $t.tion~ and one wa~ br. FM
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`Probably worked tor .. comp.ny called Control
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`15 Control Sy.tt ... --
`It wa, '1"1 odd
`They went by the initials CSI.
`Hi
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`name. Control SystelJlatoloqi,sts --
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`SyatAll--
`Syateutoloqists.
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`One word, Systa.atoloqlsts?
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`Yeah. The,. kind. of constructed thb odd word
`1\.
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`they mAd. up. So Sy,telQto1og1sts.
`2J
`.....
`CSI.
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`O.
`That's much better.
`Out or "ayne, LouisiJ.na, P,"A"'Y"N-E.
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`O. What did you do .3 the chief @nginecl' at. that
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`J\H -- tir.8t of all, when w.s that?
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`It was late ·81 or early '92 throuQh. I would
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`lAY,' 84.
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`O~ Whet did you do as a chief engineer tOt that
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`radio atation?
`i
`a
`1 was responslbla fot the maintaining the
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`a.ll.1.sions ot the station, the tran3Id!uion$ ot the
`9
`station in tenu ot the trequenci&s; m"lnUln1ng the
`10
`trans.ittaIS .nd equ.lpment tj) ensure that: the station
`11
`12 was in cOrl'.pl1ance with requlat.lons, FCC regulations.
`I
`13
`was re~ponslble for the repair bnd gen@ul maintenance
`14
`Qf studio equipment, transftlittets, et cetera.
`15
`There are certain le9611y-defined dut~e5
`by re9ulation ot the rcc thAt .. chicf enqineet u
`16
`reepon,ib1e for, and 1 had those responubilitles.
`11'
`euch as JI'Ia1ntain1nq tranSfttoitter 1095 and reCOtd:.:,
`18
`19
`et cetera.
`Q. Here YOu. ever on the air?
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`Z1
`On occlllion.
`A..
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`Q. All r1;ht. You left the: radio station in what
`year?
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`t beUeve it w~s 1984.
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`A.
`2'!;
`O. Where did you 90~
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`p..ge 15
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`P"f,c 18
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`And how 10n9 did you ,",ork at CSt?
`C.
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`A. Approximately .loht -.onth ...
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`O. When did you start .t CSt?
`3
`I don't rac:.U tb. sp_clUe dat •••
`A.
`4
`O. What did you do wl\ile at CS1?
`S
`I r.ally did two bade job.. Fhld ... vlce
`.....
`6
`installation and repa1r of autoution and supervlsory
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`control .Iyste .. , enunc1ator panel I tor Oilfield control
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`.y.tuls and thlnq. ot that ... and 1 alao worted eo •• on
`9
`the deJiqn and ):Ir09r~ino of similar sYlt~.
`10
`O. Wa. CSt·. busine.s oUtiald control ,yate.5?
`11
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`Y ...
`12
`'1'01,1 worked there .t9ht IIlOnths?
`Okay.
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`On that orcSer. Yeah.
`A.
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`Old YOIl tat •• job aftor than
`15
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`I did a nw.bll' ot " .. ller, you know, not
`A.
`16
`17 Cull-tim • • ~loym.nt, but con.ult1nq job. or contr,ct
`job:., one ot wh1ch led to a lonqlt-tenl job ,. chief
`l'
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`enotneer of an AM/nt radl0 JtaUon.
`Ju*t Olherally. what were thoae i •• ller
`20
`Q.
`21
`contraet job •• If you reelll?
`22
`A.
`0lJi9n antS progoralNl1n9 of various eorts of
`amh.dd@d sys:teJl\s.
`23
`Did you eay erab.dded eystem?
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`O.
`2S
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`INode head .. )
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`I don't
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`MR. GttIST: Objection. OverbrOAd.
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`(BY tal. BAltL£RJ Did you take ol job arter
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`that7 It WI •• pretty broad quest1on. Did you take a
`J
`job atter you leCt the radl0 atat1on?
`..
`Eventually.
`5
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`Okay. "aU, what did you do next?
`Q.
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`1 "'ant to know.
`eire if it'l overbroad.
`7
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`1 Ip.nt about tout lII.onth:l traveUn9 in Europe.
`•
`briaUy ca •• back to Louiai.na. did 30me .dd1t1cnal
`9
`few Inonths, then move-cI
`10
`contract proqrllauainC) work ror &
`to New York City.
`11
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`"'hy did you leave the ndio statiOIl?
`12
`1 w.~ ready to l.ave Loui"hna, and the thllo
`A.
`13
`statlon WI. 1n Louish,ne.
`14
`O. All r1ght. Four ~nth' 1n Europe, And then
`1~
`you eu.. back Ind did aOrle more contract proqrammin9
`16
`17 work. Whet lort or ~ontraC't progoramminq work did you
`do _ner you return.d fro. EurOpe?
`18
`A.
`1 d.tiqned Ind i1!llpieMented I eouple of
`19
`diftarant ,d.ul'tlon tra1nin9 system" tor aircnft
`20
`21
`control .yateJb'.
`O. W.e ehh sofeware work?
`22
`That~' correct. in ~.rt. It also entailed
`.2:3
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`undeutanaln9 the control Iystelfts involved. et cetera.
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`.a.. rea •• rch along those 11nts. "I'orkinq with trainers
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`to devltlop .. tr.1nlno ftodal that you can develop the
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`And then you htt -- well, aftft you stopp.d
`O.
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`doin9 th .. t you .oved to New York City?
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`Tnat's COrl'"act.
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`O. Md whan wa, that?
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`I belIeve thlt ""as! 1n .arly 'e4 t mid '84. A.3
`}\.
`7
`we approach the prestnt t.h. dates will get cd.sper,
`8
`but -- hopefully.
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`I:m't that always the cas.? All rt9t\t. What
`C.
`10
`dId you do 1n New York City st,utinq 1n circa 19841
`11
`A.
`I worked for .. company, .. start-up cOll'lpany.
`12
`Initially the naae of the company w .... PCa Limited. No,
`13
`14 wait. That wa. later. What ..... , the nartle of that
`company.
`15
`PC 3mnethln9. Later it turned into Seen
`16
`TechnoloQiea.
`l'
`O.
`Okay. What did you do tor PC sOllltlthln9!
`18
`company?
`I -- the ihit1al company formed to do various
`19
`A.
`aorta ot eontrac:t conJiultlnq Jlervieea around pes, such
`20
`21
`as networking. thin;. of that .ort. So initially I wa,
`22
`r8spon:dble for that in the company either by virtuilly
`doin; that .yselt initi.lly, and then by ha.vln9 other
`2J
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`p~ople do it Aa we were able to .tart to do that.
`Okay. Old. you term -- were you part ot the
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`Lakm ScptembeR 18 ec 19. 2000
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`vaque, because w. d1d lOt' ot thln9'2. Yuh.
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`O. What does SCSI sU,nd ton
`Small computet 'Y5t-ern, int.rhe!'. I b.l1~v~.
`A.
`O.
`Wa.$ the Scan TechnoloQh5, did ':.hey .buy
`hardwi!lr. components (rom Others and ."5errble them into
`II network with software and sell those'?
`MR. GIUST: Objection. Compound.
`I-d actually uy it's
`THE WITN£SS:
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`9 Cont'lqurinq syst.l:zft!l into a net,,",ork was on. ot those
`ftuttlnQ component2 together wa" one of thos.
`thinqs.
`10
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`thin9"
`12
`IBY HR. BAHLER) Old they make tiny custom
`O.
`hoxes, custom stora'le elem.ents'?
`13
`14
`A.
`Ne did !"lot manufacture any hardwa!"e dev~ces at
`15
`all.
`Q. All rl9ht.
`16
`1'1
`we ptototyped aome hardware tor dOIng specifIC
`A.
`thin!]" but we did not tnanuhcture- -- or sell eny
`18
`products thilt wilre h"rdware daviclts thAt w,=
`19
`2'0 milnutacture-d.
`O. What optical 3tOU~1l deVIces were used by Sc~n
`21
`22
`TechnoloQlea?
`At that polnt there were a number ot cornpanl!'s
`23
`A.
`24
`thllt raoduccd what -- OPtical worm deVIces ""hlCh were
`2~ write onc., minl .. storllge devices. These were -- It's
`
`torn.at1on of the Itart-up?
`1
`I was not. princIpal ot the t1r"', if th .. t's
`A.
`2
`3 wha t you mean.
`4
`Okay. How was it th ... t you got hooked up with
`Q.
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`this PC lIomethinq cOllpany7
`6
`A.
`Throuqt\. neW.:IIpap.r ad.
`Okay. And the PC loraethln9 COhlpany eventually
`,
`O.
`be.e:ame $clln TechnoloQ!iesl
`S
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`A. Thlt's correct.
`Q. Wheh wu: that?
`10
`I would que,s that WIS in ISS, in mid to lat.
`11
`A..
`12
`'85.
`I'm hot certai".
`Ok.y. And how long wu'e you wIth Scan
`13
`O.
`Technoloqie.?
`14
`15
`A.
`I tftOv.d to Austin in -- when did 1 move to
`I think it was in "7. And that'a not
`16 Austin.
`answertn'} you.r qutstion directly, bu.t I did 30m.
`l'
`conau1ting work tor thera, tor which I was never paid,
`18
`.tter I JBoved hera. and that w,s ray laat work tor that
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`com.pany.
`20
`So that w •• about 19811
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`O.
`I think that w .. s ln mId' &1. Hlqht have b~en
`22
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`l'te '86. but 1 think it was mid '81.
`23
`wh ... t was Se.n TechnoloQie,' bUlinesa?
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`Q.
`25
`The bua1ne5s t,.n.sitioned trom general !lupport
`A.
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`ex1atinQ technoloQY now stUl, but it's tvolv~d ". hir
`aznount.
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`2
`At that point in til!lC there WaS an
`l
`optiCal .edl. elMilar to I dI.k .stong. media .but
`..
`S
`nOhlU.qnetlc. "qain, the C.D-RCIi' that you could .... rit.
`6 Onc. on but not .rase. so eutted. tOWArds all klnd ot
`applle.tlons. We u!ed tho,e de-vices.
`7
`8
`We ,1.0 had scanner devices at that
`point ita time. Theeo W.'en't t.he variety ot Optlcal
`5)
`se.nners. lraa;. scannen thlt. are on the markttt tOday.
`10
`Theee were fairly lito.1ted amounts, some of WhlCh
`11
`12
`interfaced via SCSt interface.
`O.
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`..,hen did you first beeoftle tar.aliar wu.h
`Now,
`the SCSI InttrCAc.'
`14
`I probably held somll awareness ot the SCSI
`15>
`A..
`16
`intertace _. it eVOlved. Betore the SCSI inteeface 1016.$
`the SCSI 1nterface 1t was the SASI interfacL>. WhlCh Wil5
`17
`19
`a proplI"i_tary intert'acB common. on 51 and AA well. Inaybe-
`19
`not C:OJUftOn. bl,lt implemented on S100 syst~ntS ~nd thlng$
`or that sort; and I had 30m8: tamilurity with thlot,
`20
`although. not. reAl intlmate f.rrtlllarity with thilt.
`21
`22
`So there w~a no qiven POU\t 10 tim ..
`where I :ludden1y le,Hoed ot it. I lust 9radually
`23
`,i4 Qlin*d more knQwledQe ot it as it 9alned more
`iatplementat10ns 1n the tield. You know, 6$ 1 t becaMe
`250
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`p..gc 21
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`of PC_ in ott ice environmente to a bumine •• aoct.l
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`tryin; to devtlop and m.ll .y.teN thlt -- tryln9 to
`2
`think o! the be.t wey to lay thi ... -
`to enable optic.l
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`storage ot docUJlent date for oruce jyatfUl,.
`4
`I don't
`rec"ll that ~. had. al •• lon at ... t.-Ient., per se, but
`5.
`that would be lomethin9 of that lort.
`,
`O.
`Old Scan rechnolo9le. have a commercial
`'7
`product?
`8
`We did. M. had a number of commercial
`A.
`9
`pt"oduct. or syatema.
`10
`Q. What wer. tho •• co-..ercial products?
`11
`Oh. I don't recall thea by --
`12
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`O. wor. th.y optlc&l --
`13
`A.
`-- naae, but --
`14
`-- stong. pcoduct.1
`Q.
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`They "Ire conti9\lr.tionl of' optical stor_;,
`16
`peoducts 1n cOl\junction with varlous software,
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`somltime. custOIa, lIoalti ... ctt the ahelt.
`18
`O. Were thlse SCSI-belled ayet ••• ,
`19
`A.
`They dId incorporate SCSI aubayateru. YeS.
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`O.
`And SCSI 10 S-C-S-I. right?
`:II
`That t a eorrect.
`A.
`22
`O.
`Just tor the b.n.tit of our court reporter,
`23
`24 whenever you or I
`.... y SC51 it' • • pelled S-C-S-I, riqht?
`2S
`A.
`That'a appropriate.
`
`1 more co_on, r Wat more expo.!led to it, and 1 leiarnld
`.or. about it.
`2
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`Old you USI that knowledoe whilt at Sc .. n·
`Q.
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`Tlchno1oql."
`To 10lle dlgrae. Yeal\.
`A.
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`O.
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`Other than thea. optical worlD. deviCes And
`scanner d*vice., wh"'t other d.vicea were b@ing used by
`1
`Sean Techno1oqiesl
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`A. Thlt', a very broa4 qu •• tion.. Can you A_
`O. What other .torlge device,?
`l()
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`Ther. were stand .. rd off-the-shelf disk devlces
`12
`or various sort ••
`II
`Na911etlc •• dial
`Q.
`14
`A.
`Correc::t.
`O. All rlght. Anythlnq .ls.?
`15
`A. Wt d1d haYI variou. tape d~vlce5~
`16
`O.
`Tape d4Jvlce" aho .aqnetlc?
`17
`18
`A.
`Rlqht. We did not use tho,e 1n ilny
`unlJSU.II1"- you knoW',
`those were aU otf-the-$hBIt type
`19
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`deviCe ••
`bld Scan Technol091e, hav@ " product
`21
`O.
`22
`d •• iqnation tor lt, products?
`Cln you rep •• t that?
`23
`A.
`O.
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`Old they I\Avl a nam_, the Scan 'rllchnolo91e5
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`A.
`that they did, but I can't recall what it wOllld be.
`wh.at it w"o.
`Ooe. scan technoloqh3 exist today?
`O.
`Not to fttY ~no""l.dq ••
`A.
`Now, you moved to Austin In approximately ml~
`Q.
`1ge7?
`t beHeve it wa3 -- 1 beli.vl! tha.t's coctec:t.
`A..
`why did you IlIOve to Au.tlnl
`Q.
`My intent w .. u
`A.
`to 90 back to school.
`O. Ok.y. Did you do thlt?
`A. For. period.
`O. Univer,lty of Tc)t~s?
`A.
`That'::s corl'~ct.
`O. When dId you st.rt University of Texa:l?
`A.
`I did not ofUcially onroll.
`I oudited
`ccuues,
`I also worked in II couple of d:Lfferent hbs.
`o....t un
`A.
`Corret:t.
`O.
`In what .school?
`A.
`It was 1n phy.lc ••
`Thl. v . . Iold '871
`Q.
`1 b.li.ve ao. Y.».
`A.
`Q. Okay. You neVer actually enrolled at UT?
`A.
`I don't ~peclfic.lly recall. Therl! wa .. !I~III."
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`.ystems th.t did -- well, they had a couple of
`products. A.II these products wet"!!: at"ound T:-990
`~ystem .. , which wa .... llinicompl,ltf:( desiqn from Texas
`Instrument ...
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`They had initially some :system.s tt-.at
`~
`emulated the 99(1 proce.ssor or 5ub5ections of that
`6
`proc:es!or at tenx, the p«rforlflll.nce th3lt they stated In
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`e
`the name of their comp .. ny. ThBY .subsequently came up
`9 with ayatefu that ran 990-bl.nd system~ 1n PCs an.d
`10
`a11m .. ·.d .some interaction b.twe~n the 990 5y~tell\ running:
`11
`1n the PC and the PC itself.
`O.
`1\nd did they have ~ cOlI\mercial product ~
`12
`Okay.
`They had" number ot Cornmerchl prodoJcts.
`13
`A.
`O. What dld you do -- well. how 10n9 did you worlc
`14
`I!)
`lor renx TeChnologIes"?
`16
`I was employed as a contract worker for.
`t
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`l ' believe. SU, tI\Onth.s.
`1 WAS then converted to ~:.Jll
`timl.
`I WAa a tull-tune employ ... for about year- and 4
`18
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`holl.
`So you were at TenX TachnoloQie.! from hte
`20
`O.
`21
`1981, either aa a contract employ@'e or '5 • l'ull·tim~
`2l
`e~loy.e. tor .. pproximately two year5?
`23
`~. Correct.
`24
`O.
`Okay. What cUd you do tor TenX TechnoloQu.!
`250 whUe a.t TenX Tachno1ogtes1
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`p..ge26
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`IQrt of en;ro11ment that 1. not II; re:ghtra.Uon but tnat
`1
`.. 11ows you to do ce;rt.ln thlnQs.
`2
`Give them. mohey. And they let you 90 to class.
`O.
`3
`r19ht?
`•
`So •• thin~ ot that sort. Riqht.
`-'.
`5
`Q. All r19ht. How 10n9 did you do that?
`6
`About a y.ar, m.aybe a llttle le,s.
`.,
`~.
`a
`And then _ ...
`O.
`Couple of •••• 't.r.' wortt\.
`g
`1+..
`O. Why did you pick AUltln?
`10
`A.
`I -- well, 68 1 sald, .Y Intent was to study
`11
`physic.!!.
`1 spent. couple of weeks vls1tinq the
`12
`13 Un1\renity of Houston. which had ~oma int.rest11'19 work
`14
`goinCj on with Paul Chu, and I vhlted -"H And ~pent
`lS
`some time in ttl.lr tlc:1l1tle,J ta.inq what they were
`16
`doln9: and 1 spent aOme time at UT, and I liked what UT
`was dolnq best.
`11
`18
`And ",h.t spec1!1cally About UT attr.cted you?
`Q.
`19
`A.
`Itls hard to n .. il down the spfllc1t'1ca. Dontt
`20
`really recill.
`O.
`21
`"ell, 'What .specifically 1n the physics
`22
`depArtlter\t. wh4lt 'Were they do1r~C) that inter-eated you?
`"Qain, that l
`23
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`• hard to "til down 'pecifics, and
`24
`1 don't really recall. There were A t~w thInq!l thay
`2~ ware doin", that ware real intereatih",. Th.re W"3 •
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`1 was • programmer.
`A.
`2
`O. What proqr8tM\lnq hnquaQ"s do you know?
`l
`A. What pr09rilJMlinq -- I'm so.n:y. Could you
`repeat?
`4
`O. Wl10t proq;raJMI.1n() lanquageS do you kno<ot'? well,
`50
`let me .ask I better question. Strik.e that. what
`6
`proQramm1nq lanC)uaqes can you program 1n?
`"1
`IUliht no", I a. probatlly competent to program
`A.
`8
`1n C. It's been awhile ~lncc I' ve proqranvned in any
`,
`other languillie. So t could probably do some assem.bler.
`10
`but not at a production h·v.,l without !10m., prac:tlce.
`11
`And I could prob~bly pick. up' some others that I I YI! done
`12
`in the p.nt with a Httl. work. but 11m very rusty.
`13
`o.
`Ok~y. What specitic p[oqrammin9 were you
`14
`dolng tor TenX Te-Chnologhs?
`l~
`TenX had decided to set ott 1n a new prodl.!ct
`A.
`16
`direction at that time and do .sOm8: products wlth thes,
`17
`18 WOB type device.. so 1 waS involve-d in pro9r~mming:
`19
`portions or the 1nterhcII: and drive-rs tor tho~e d~vi'..:e5
`ln I new type of product they were doing.
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`Ye3, they were.
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`9uduate students on cart.1n projecta.
`that was
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`1111<1 did you eventually -- well, you
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`~topped·· you did that tor about a year. riqht?
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`}lnypllce that would hire me, but I el'ldflld up
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`el\ployed on a contract baSiS with I CQDlpiny c.lled TenX
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`O. When w • .s thia?
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`O. Whet WI. Tenxla 'technologlet ' busina.s?
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`Sound .. rlO'ht..
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`been -. alqht have t(') ~hltt th"t back. Could haove beer.
`·ee. but I think it was
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`"ha~ did you do l'le)(t1
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`I went to werk tor nell Comput!'r CorpOt,)tJon
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`I "'as laid ott.
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`Okay. How lon9 did yolol work (or Cell"?
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`.a.pproxllutely t-.,o y.ar ••
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`And what did you do while at Dell?
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`II!I.. GIUST: Obj*ction. Overbroad.
`THE WITNESS:
`I WIS A systems
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`proqramer.
`IBY MR. BAHLE!'.) MY pa.rticular systems'?
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`There were -- 1 'II not sure how to answer tha~
`Can you r.phr.se that?
`O. Hell. what did you do while: at OeU as a
`,yatea" prOorAJl"JtIcrr tor those two years?
`1 initially proqralUft.d some Q'enerlc proqram~
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`were useful tOr hctory inltalbtion.s .nd I. variety of
`other purpose ••
`Sub:utquent to that 1 WAS involved in the
`qualification and desiqo of disk 5torag@ subsystem.s and
`MID Iysteta&.
`O. Wh,.t·.1 a RAID _yate",?
`.\. MID 1. en acronym tor redundant arrey ot
`It is • system that conglomeratea
`Inexl'ens1ve disks.
`disks for; redundancy purpose:s to do dl,% 'torage.
`"-re these SCSI-hased RAID systtt!l.S?
`O.
`The MID S),Jtll!ms I initially worked on they
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`we~e not SCSI-based. Suhsequ~nt to that I dId do a
`lesser amount of work wlth SCSI-cased PAID systems.
`Nhat was the network or the int.rt"ce used 1 ...
`O.
`th@ P.AIO sy~tem!ll that yOll were wo